Embittered Simkin exiles don't like me

[Dave Reitzes]

Certain former members of the Simkin forum (some who were kicked out and
some who apparently left voluntarily) have been having online conniptions
that I'm allowed to post there without fear of repercussions:

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t406-the-ed-forum-and-deep-politics-forum

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t492-summers-reitzes-and-myers-what-a-triangle

The forum is run by Greg Parker, who used to post here under the name
"Magic Bullet." His great contribution to the JFK discourse would have to
be his acclaimed scholarship in linking Jack Ruby to CIA mind-control
plots. Despite his persistent, frothing hostility towards me, I once
offered him a friendly invitation to visit a (now-defunct) Bob Dylan fan
site of mine. He responded by suggesting that I wanted Dylan dead, along
with all the rest of the great liberal icons. (I would speculate that no
one might be more surprised than Dylan himself to hear that he's still a
liberal icon, but I'm glad he's still around either way. I've seen him
perform live a couple of times, and on neither occasion did I attempt to
assassinate him.)

Dave

[Glenn V.]

Greg Parker and his buddy Lee Farley, two die-hard CTs with a temper and a
really bad attitude. When I used to post on the EF, both of them did their
very best to bully me out of there. Farley even send me some really nasty
insults as personal messages.

"You're a pest and an idiot" and such. So yes, I couldn't say that their
bullying was entirely in vain, as this definately had something to do with
me leaving that forum.

[bpete1969]

You're beginning to sound like Cinque , more so with each passing day.

[Dave Reitzes]

Yeah, they seem to have some kind of grudge against both of us:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/JD75HNcuE9I

Dave

[David Von Pein]

Neither one of them (Farley, Parker) likes me very much either. (I'm so
hurt too.) :-)

[bigdog]

On Friday, November 8, 2013 9:50:21 AM UTC-5, Dave Reitzes wrote:

What happened, Dave? Coulcn't you get a clear shot at him? :)

[Glenn V.]

They will surely need strengthening energizers like that since they're
gone be running around in circles for the next thirty years.

[Robert Harris]

David, the allegation against you was,

"Dave Reitzes is posting as his usual troll self. Two threads.
Comparing critics of the WC with those who believe in paranormal activity."

Is that true?

If so, then you need to realize that when you post ad hominem attacks,
you will get replies in kind.

In that forum, you don't have mcadams to protect you from your
adversaries while you post all kinds of insults and repeatedly call them
liars.

But hey! Maybe you can talk some of those guys into posting here! You
can kick some serious butt if they go for it:-)



Robert Harris

[Bud]

On Monday, November 11, 2013 7:24:47 PM UTC-5, Robert Harris wrote:
> David, the allegation against you was,
>
>
>
> "Dave Reitzes is posting as his usual troll self. Two threads.
>
> Comparing critics of the WC with those who believe in paranormal activity."
>
>
>
> Is that true?
>
>
>
> If so, then you need to realize that when you post ad hominem attacks,
>
> you will get replies in kind.
>
>
>
> In that forum, you don't have mcadams to protect you from your
>
> adversaries while you post all kinds of insults and repeatedly call them
>
> liars.
>
>
>
> But hey! Maybe you can talk some of those guys into posting here! You
>
> can kick some serious butt if they go for it:-)

Some have ventured here, and yes, they did get their butts kicked.

[BT George]

David, the allegation against you was,

"Dave Reitzes is posting as his usual troll self. Two threads.
Comparing critics of the WC with those who believe in paranormal activity."

Is that true?

If so, then you need to realize that when you post ad hominem attacks,
you will get replies in kind.

In that forum, you don't have mcadams to protect you from your
adversaries while you post all kinds of insults and repeatedly call them
liars.

But hey! Maybe you can talk some of those guys into posting here! You
can kick some serious butt if they go for it:-)

So if they could insult him more freely and call him a liar, that would
disprove his arguments? Do you accept that when others do that to you,
that your ideas are falsified thereby? Clearly not, and I wouldn't expect
you to.


Likewise, if Dave was posting---as he was here until recently---comparing
those who reject (macro) evolution to believers in conspiracy, should I
consider that Ad Hominem or simply reject the characterization based on my
belief that the evidence for Darwinism is less conclusive than that
against Oswald?


I know that you have 180 degrees different opinion on that, but all that
shows is 3 different views of the same set of propositions. That's why we
have debates and debate forums. To me Ad Hominem is more about demonizing
a PERSON than comparing their ideas unfavorably.

BT George

[Dave Reitzes]

Umbrella gun misfired.

Apparently, it's bad luck to open an umbrella gun indoors.

Dave

[curtj...@hotmail.com]

On Friday, November 8, 2013 9:50:21 AM UTC-5, Dave Reitzes wrote:

Hey, I had Greg booted from out CT forum! As a CT'er he was undermining
the whole concept of the group. So maybe he's a wolf in sheep's clothing.
Did anyone ever think Mr. Reitzes was likeable???...:) Enquiring Minds
Wanna Know!

[Dave Reitzes]

On Friday, November 8, 2013 9:50:21 AM UTC-5, Dave Reitzes wrote:

It appears that I have joined the ranks of the embittered Simkin forum
exiles. I have emailed John Simkin about this, cc'ed to several dozen
prominent researchers, some of whom are members of his forum. I don't
expect a response, as he didn't respond the last time I emailed him a
related question.


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OT: Banned from John Simkin's forum?
David Reitzes to john.simkin + 55 more

John Simkin,

My log-in for your forum no longer works and all my posts seem to have
been deleted.

Have I been banned from your forum?

The last item I recall posting was my observation (in the appropriate
thread on the subject of forum rules) that Martin Hay has accused you of
deleting all his old posts:

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t584-fetzer-on-dieugenio


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Re: Fetzer On Dieugenio
Post by Martin Hay
by Martin Hay on Wed 18 Dec 2013, 1:04 am

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Andrea Skolnik wrote:

The recent blow up over at Educational was absurd and surreal and a waste
of everyones time and threatens to derail and discount years of valuable
work that was done there.

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You got that right.

Especially since that lovely gentleman John Simkin deleted all my posts. I
wrote some good stuff for his poxy forum.

Martin Hay

Posts: 114
Join date: 2013-06-22

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Your moderator Evan Burton had denied, to his knowledge, that former
members' posts had been deleted by forum administrators and specifically
asked me for examples of such actions:


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Evan Burton
Super Member

admin

Posted 13 October 2013 - 08:25 AM

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David Reitzes, on 08 Oct 2013 - 2:03 PM, said:

When a forum member is banned for whatever reason, is it necessary to
summarily delete all of his or her old posts?

Isn't that kind of Orwellian?

Dave

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Apart from Peter - or if it is requested - I don't know of this happening.
Even if requested, we really would prefer not to do that.

What instance were you refering to?

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Have I been punished for my on-topic response to Mr. Burton's request? If
so, was this your decision?

Dave

-----Original Message-----
From: David Reitzes <drei...@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 4, 2013 3:13 pm
Subject: Off-topic question for John Simkin

John,

In the appropriate thread at your forum, I've been trying for close to two
months to learn whether deleted posts by former Education Forum members
such as Jim DiEugenio were deleted by forum administrators or removed
voluntarily by the members in question:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2243&page=25

Can you help?

Dave

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Dave

[John McAdams]

I assume Sinking hasn't responded.

I know he didn't respond on a particular e-mail his that you and he
are both on.

I'm afraid the hard-core buff culture more and more looks like a cult,
where endless repetition of the orthodoxy is the norm, and people who
express doubt are drummed out, rather then engaged.

Is Von Peeing still there?

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Anthony Marsh]

WHy didn't your Net Nanny reject the word "Peeing"?
Probably because it's British. I bet it rejects "wankers" instead.

> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
>

[John McAdams]

On 23 Dec 2013 18:23:03 -0500, Anthony Marsh

Just a typo, Tony! I didn't mean any nasty reference.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Bud]

Von *who*? You aren`t adopting the slurring the buffs do of Von Pein`s
name, are you?

>
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> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Mark Ulrik]

Moderators...?

> I know he didn't respond on a particular e-mail his that you and he
> are both on.
>
> I'm afraid the hard-core buff culture more and more looks like a cult,
> where endless repetition of the orthodoxy is the norm, and people who
> express doubt are drummed out, rather then engaged.
>
> Is Von Peeing still there?

Moderators...?

> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Dave Reitzes]

On Monday, December 23, 2013 1:32:26 PM UTC-5, John McAdams wrote:

Spell-check error or Freudian slip? \:^)

No, he hasn't.

> I know he didn't respond on a particular e-mail his that you and he
>
> are both on.
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>
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> I'm afraid the hard-core buff culture more and more looks like a cult,
>
> where endless repetition of the orthodoxy is the norm, and people who
>
> express doubt are drummed out, rather then engaged.
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>
>
> Is Von Peeing still there?

Spell-check: Can't live with it, can't live without it. \:^)

DVP is currently a member there.

Regards,

Sinking Von Peeing, Esq.

[David Von Pein]

JOHN McADAMS SAID:

Is Von Peeing still there?

BUD SAID:

Von *who*? You aren`t adopting the slurring the buffs do of Von Pein`s
name, are you?

DAVID VON PEIN SAYS:

I thought that was a very strange typo too. A typo where TWO letters are
added to "Pein", and it just happens to form the word "Peeing"??? That's
weird.

I fully accept Mr. McAdams' explanation that it was merely a typo. But
that's a weird one indeed (considering the end result of my misspelled
name).

But, then too, John also added a G to Simkin's name in that same post
("Sinking"???). It must be "Add a G" day here at aaj, huh? :-)

And btw, yes, I can still post at Simkin's forum.

In fact, my latest post there (linked below) was a short (but very true)
message that I hesitated to post at all, for fear of stirring up Pat
Speer's moderation wrath. (But I must say, Pat seems to be quite fair in
his moderation.)

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20882&page=2#entry282896

[Mark Ulrik]

Den tirsdag den 24. december 2013 18.00.52 UTC+1 skrev David Von Pein:
> JOHN McADAMS SAID:
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> Is Von Peeing still there?
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> BUD SAID:
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> Von *who*? You aren`t adopting the slurring the buffs do of Von Pein`s
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> name, are you?
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> DAVID VON PEIN SAYS:
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> I thought that was a very strange typo too. A typo where TWO letters are
>
> added to "Pein", and it just happens to form the word "Peeing"??? That's
>
> weird.
>
>
>
> I fully accept Mr. McAdams' explanation that it was merely a typo. But
>
> that's a weird one indeed (considering the end result of my misspelled
>
> name).
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>
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> But, then too, John also added a G to Simkin's name in that same post
>
> ("Sinking"???). It must be "Add a G" day here at aaj, huh? :-)

This is most likely a case of an absentminded professor trying out his new
iPhone or iPad and forgetting about the Autocorrect feature.

[Mark OBLAZNEY]

The extra 'e' was a spell-check error, the 'g' definitely Freud himself.

[Marcus Hanson]

David,

Welcome back from proselytizing elsewhere !

I'm not a member at the EF , but visit now and again. Pat Speer appears a
quite patient and pleasant fellow , even when he's insulted.

Re : "I fully accept Mr. McAdams' explanation that it was merely a typo."
You are too trusting : obviously , the only way we will ever know the
truth is by establishing a Commission of Enquiry :-).

[BT George]

This is most likely a case of an absentminded professor trying out his new
iPhone or iPad and forgetting about the Autocorrect feature.

Very likely this is the explanation. My IPhone autocorrect is wrong
almost half the time it seems & is VERY capable of rendering "Pein" as
"peeing" ...or even worse.

BT George

[Sandy McCroskey]

Yeah, I always turn that off, first thing, on any new device.
/sm

[David Von Pein]

I could be wrong, but I kinda doubt that Prof. McAdams is performing his
regular forum moderation tasks from a tiny iPad or iPhone. I would think
that would be torture.

I wouldn't know from personal experience whether it would be torture or
not, because I don't have an iPad or iPhone--and never will. I've never
had the slightest desire to own any of those tiny devices.

[John McAdams]

I feel the same way. The two typos in the post were just simple typos,
the result of my wanting to get the post sent and not reading closely
enough.

Usually, the simple explanation is best. :-)

.John

[black...@aol.com]

On Thursday, December 26, 2013 9:13:39 PM UTC-5, David Von Pein wrote:

> I wouldn't know from personal experience whether it would be torture or
>
> not, because I don't have an iPad or iPhone--and never will. I've never
>
> had the slightest desire to own any of those tiny devices.

I felt the same sort of resistance, but when my work cell phone contract
was up for renewal, I had to get a "smart phone" (internet) for a business
purpose. Suddenly, I realized that I'm never without "something to do." If
I'm waiting in my car for the kids or wife, I have something to do. If
someone asks a question, an answer is seconds away. (My only fear is like
Burgess Meredith in the Twilight Zone: I have all the world's knowledge at
my fingertips --- as long as I don't break my reading glasses...)

[John Fiorentino]

Burgess Meredith played in several "Twilight Zone" episodes, each was
excellent.

Meredith was a great character actor.

John F.



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[Dave Reitzes]

In case there was any doubt, one of the EF moderators has confirmed with
John Simkin that I have indeed been officially banned and all my posts
deleted. In addition, all threads I ever began have been deleted,
including posts from other forum members who happened to reply in such
threads -- collateral damage, you might call it.

One such member has noticed his posts missing, and he kind of has his
shirt in a bunch over it, if you catch my drift.

Dave

[John McAdams]

Sounds a little bit Stalinist. You know, somebody in the Politburo
falls from grace, and all of a sudden all the photos of the group on
Lenin's tomb have that person airbrushed out.

This has been a chronic problem on JFK forums (aside from this one).
Somebody starts posting on a theory that's unpopular, and they get
banned.

Somebody complains about moderation, and they get banned.

There are at least a couple of very decent people on the modeation
team at the Ed Forum (and maybe some more that I don't know about).
They might want to reconsider their relationship with that place.

.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm

[Anthony Marsh]

You'd think that after all these years the Communists wouldn't keep
using the same old tricks, but they do. The old tricks are the best
tricks. Just last week it was revealed that Kim Jong Un had his uncle
executed.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2013/12/12/kim-jong-un-just-had-his-own-uncle-killed-why/

And the State Media started removing his image from official photos.

http://world.time.com/2013/12/18/see-kim-jong-uns-magical-airbrush/

[Anthony Marsh]

So, how can you prove that you even exist?

[Dave Reitzes]

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 8:42:37 AM UTC-5, Dave Reitzes wrote:
> In case there was any doubt, one of the EF moderators has confirmed with
>
> John Simkin that I have indeed been officially banned and all my posts
>
> deleted. In addition, all threads I ever began have been deleted,
>
> including posts from other forum members who happened to reply in such
>
> threads -- collateral damage, you might call it.
>
>
>
> One such member has noticed his posts missing, and he kind of has his
>
> shirt in a bunch over it, if you catch my drift.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20918


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Disappeared Thread?
Started by Cliff Varnell, Yesterday, 06:37 PM

#1 Disappeared Thread?: post #1 Cliff Varnell
Super Member

2,784 posts
Posted Yesterday, 06:37 PM

Sometime last Sunday morning the "New JFK Article in Skeptic Magazine"
thread disappeared.

I pm'd Don Jeffries and he suggested I contact John or Pat, but alas,
neither of them can receive new pm.

There was off-topic stuff on that thread I was driving some traffic to, as
well as lots of JFK work near and dear to my heart on there (and now
gone!)

That thread contains the only capsule history of the origin of hardcore
punk rock.

V. Vale (paraphrased): "If an event isn't recorded in a
print/audio/visual medium it didn't happen."

I kept the entire story -- the origin history of hardcore punk rock -- to
myself for almost 34 years until I wrote it up on the Skep thread.

Now it "didn't happen" all over again!

Interesting in and of itself, but a real bummer over all.

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#2 Disappeared Thread?: post #2 Cliff Varnell
Super Member

2,784 posts
Posted Today, 09:11 PM

Is there an explanation for the missing thread, yet?

Or am I asking too much to find out what happened?

It doesn't seem like I'm asking too much...

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If anyone wants to preserve any of Cliff's 2,784 remaining EF posts on
such topics as JFK's shirt, JFK's shirt, JFK's shirt, blood-soluble
flechette guns, and JFK's shirt, I advise you to make copies of them now.

Including you, Cliff.

Dave

[black...@aol.com]

On Sunday, December 29, 2013 6:09:30 PM UTC-5, Dave Reitzes wrote:
>
> If anyone wants to preserve any of Cliff's 2,784 remaining EF posts on
>
> such topics as JFK's shirt, JFK's shirt, JFK's shirt, blood-soluble
>
> flechette guns, and JFK's shirt, I advise you to make copies of them now.
>

> Dave

Dave, you're slipping. You forgot to mention "JFK's shirt"...

[Dave Reitzes]

It was right on the tip of my tongue.

Dave