ANOTHER witness to hole in limo windshield
Vincent M. Palamara
[received 1/12/99]
Dear Mr. Palamara,
In reply to your letter in regard to the events at Parkland Hospital on
that fateful date November 22, 1963.
I was present at Parkland Hospital on that date in my role as a 2nd year
medical student. I observed President Kennedy's limousine outside the
emergency entrance. Another student and I went closer to observe the
limousine and the damage to the front windshield. Secret Service agents
appeared and moved the car to another location.
There was a bullet hole in the windshield.
I believe that the entire story has never been told.
Sincerely,
Evalea Glanges, M.D. "
WINDSHIELD
SECRET SERVICE AGENT CHARLES TAYLOR., IN HIS REPORT TO WFO SAIC HARRY
W. GEIGLEIN [CD80], NOTES THAT HE SAW A “SMALL HOLE” IN THE WINDSHIELD
OF SS-100-X (TAYLOR WAS THERE FROM 9:00 P.M. UNTIL 12 MID)
OTHERS WHO SAW/ KNEW OF HOLE:
CHICAGO SA ABRAHAM W. BOLDEN, SR- 9/16/93 interview with Vince Palamara;
DPD OFFICERS STAVIS ELLIS AND H.R. FREEMAN (outriders in motorcade)-
CFTR RADIO INTERVIEW, 1976; "NO MORE SILENCE" BY LARRY SNEED (1998), PP.
147-148;
[Ellis: 9/8/98 letter to Vince Palamara---"Yes, I did see a hole in the
limousine windshield at Parkland Hospital. I did not see the bone
fragment. The officer on the escort with me said there was one fragment,
approximately 6 or 7 inches around.";]
NEWSMEN RICHARD DUDMAN AND the AP's FRANK CORMIER- ST. LOUIS
POST-DISPATCH, 12/1/63; for Cormier, see "Seeds of Doubt: Some Questions
About The Assassination" by Jack Minnis and Staughton Lynd, 12/63, p. 4,
"Killing The Truth", p. 64, and 17 H 614[Cormier also appears on the
video “Air Force One: The Planes and the Presidents”]
SPECTATORS EVALEA GLANGES AND CARL RENAS- “JFK CONSPIRACY OF SILENCE”,
PP. 105-107, 110 ;
TWO DIFFERENT UNIDENTIFIED CALLERS: TO THE “JIM BOHANNON” RADIO SHOW
(Doug Weldon, as verified via e-mails to Vince Palamara, 1998),
11/22/93, AND TO “LARRY KING” TV SHOW, JANUARY 1992 (unknown)
[see new limousine windshield photos in "High Treason III" (1998), as
well as the TWO different photos that comprise CE 350 and 351: 16 H
946-947] .
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Vince Palamara, author of "The Third Alternative-Survivor's Guilt: The
Secret Service and the JFK Murder" (1993/1997) and "JFK: The Medical
Evidence Reference" (1998)
The Vince Palamara Webpages:
http://www.njmetronet.com/palamara/
Vince Palamara on pages xvii and 138 of ARRB's Final Report:
Vince Palamara's Secret Service and General Research Files:
gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/11/SIGS/JFK/Only/VP
MY NEW BOOK, "JFK: THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE REFERENCE" (339 PAGES) is
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Proprietor
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Williamsport, Pennsylvania 17701
717/321-1150 (Phone and Fax)
John McAdams
<pala...@telerama.com> wrote:
>"December 2, 1998
>[received 1/12/99]
>
>Dear Mr. Palamara,
>
>
>In reply to your letter in regard to the events at Parkland Hospital on
>that fateful date November 22, 1963.
>
>I was present at Parkland Hospital on that date in my role as a 2nd year
>medical student. I observed President Kennedy's limousine outside the
>emergency entrance. Another student and I went closer to observe the
>limousine and the damage to the front windshield. Secret Service agents
>appeared and moved the car to another location.
>
>There was a bullet hole in the windshield.
>
>I believe that the entire story has never been told.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Evalea Glanges, M.D. "
>
Vince, are you arguing that there really was a through and through
hole in the windshield, and not the little ding that the windshield
now in the National Archives shows?
If so, the letter above and most of the sources you cite below are too
vague to establish that there was a through and through hole, as
opposed to the ding.
Vince, an entire bullet could not have passed throught the windshield
without either shattering it, or (depending on the kind of safety
glass) leaving a nasty spider web of cracks across the entire surface.
Neither of those things happened.
.John
The Kennedy Assassination Home Page
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Barb Junkkarinen
I don't think that is necessarily so, John.....but that doesn't mean
there was a through and through hole either. Would be nice if any of
these witnesses had said they actually touched the window on the
outside and felt that even the cracks went all the way through let
alone a hole.
Doug De Salles met a guy through a colleague who it turned out was on
the transport plane taking the limo back to D.C. This is what Doug
says about that...and I quote this with his permission:
"The guy I talked to was in the USAF, a
young man taking part in the airlift of the presidential vehicles.
He was flying back to DC with the limo in the hold when a SSA
said "we think there was another bullet" and wanted to go
down into the hold. The light was bad but they did see a
fragment of bloodied bone in the rear which caused them both
to stop searching. They were unnerved. He did get a good look
at the windshield, and it was definitely NOT perforated with a hole.
He observed cracks, he said, consistent with published photos of the
windshield.
Use this any way you like. The guy struck me as utterly credible."
Barb :-)
R2JUDGE
>From: "Vincent M. Palamara" <pala...@telerama.com>
>Date: Tue, Jan 12, 1999 17:02 EST
>Message-id: <369BC676...@telerama.com>
>
>"December 2, 1998
>[received 1/12/99]
>
>Dear Mr. Palamara,
>
>
>In reply to your letter in regard to the events at Parkland Hospital on
>that fateful date November 22, 1963.
>
>I was present at Parkland Hospital on that date in my role as a 2nd year
>medical student. I observed President Kennedy's limousine outside the
>emergency entrance. Another student and I went closer to observe the
>limousine and the damage to the front windshield. Secret Service agents
>appeared and moved the car to another location.
>
>There was a bullet hole in the windshield.
>
>I believe that the entire story has never been told.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Evalea Glanges, M.D. "
>
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>
>
>
>
>Vince Palamara, author of "The Third Alternative-Survivor's Guilt: The
>Secret Service and the JFK Murder" (1993/1997) and "JFK: The Medical
>Evidence Reference" (1998)
>
>The Vince Palamara Webpages:
>http://www.njmetronet.com/palamara/
>
>Vince Palamara on pages xvii and 138 of ARRB's Final Report:
>
>Vince Palamara's Secret Service and General Research Files:
>gopher://freenet.akron.oh.us:70/11/SIGS/JFK/Only/VP
>
>MY NEW BOOK, "JFK: THE MEDICAL EVIDENCE REFERENCE" (339 PAGES) is
>available for $30
>exclusively via "The Last Hurrah Bookshop":
>http://members.aol.com/jfkhurrah/
> Andrew Winiarczyk
> Proprietor
> 849 W. Third St. #1
> Williamsport, Pennsylvania 17701
> 717/321-1150 (Phone and Fax)
>
***I have seen the photo of the windshield of the limo as it sat at the
hospital. The windshield is cracked. I know what a bullet hole in glass
looks like and that crack doesn't come anywhere close to being a hole
through the glass.
***Ron Judge
John McAdams
Junkkarinen) wrote:
>On Thu, 14 Jan 1999 05:39:33 GMT, 6489mc...@vms.csd.mu.edu (John
>McAdams) wrote:
>
>>
>>Vince, are you arguing that there really was a through and through
>>hole in the windshield, and not the little ding that the windshield
>>now in the National Archives shows?
>>
>>If so, the letter above and most of the sources you cite below are too
>>vague to establish that there was a through and through hole, as
>>opposed to the ding.
>>
>>
>>
>>Vince, an entire bullet could not have passed throught the windshield
>>without either shattering it, or (depending on the kind of safety
>>glass) leaving a nasty spider web of cracks across the entire surface.
>
>I don't think that is necessarily so, John.....
Huh? A bullet from a high powered rifle (you don't supposed the Evil
Minions of The Conspiracy were using pellet guns, do you) hits a
windshield at full velocity, and faile to produce damage that would be
spectacularly obvious?
I don't think so.
Although I wonder whether I could get one of my students needing a
research project to go out to a junkyard and shoot up some windshields
with a rifle :-).
>but that doesn't mean
>there was a through and through hole either. Would be nice if any of
>these witnesses had said they actually touched the window on the
>outside and felt that even the cracks went all the way through let
>alone a hole.
>
>Doug De Salles met a guy through a colleague who it turned out was on
>the transport plane taking the limo back to D.C. This is what Doug
>says about that...and I quote this with his permission:
>
>"The guy I talked to was in the USAF, a
>young man taking part in the airlift of the presidential vehicles.
>He was flying back to DC with the limo in the hold when a SSA
>said "we think there was another bullet" and wanted to go
>down into the hold. The light was bad but they did see a
>fragment of bloodied bone in the rear which caused them both
>to stop searching. They were unnerved. He did get a good look
>at the windshield, and it was definitely NOT perforated with a hole.
>He observed cracks, he said, consistent with published photos of the
>windshield.
>
>Use this any way you like. The guy struck me as utterly credible."
>
Nice quote, Barb. Unlike the quotes Vince posted, this fellow did
specifically address the question of whether there was a perforation.
"Hole" is a little bit like "back of the head," Barb :-). Vince can
*interpret* it as a perforation, and *wants* to interpret it that way,
but it doesn't necessarily mean that.
John McAdams
>
>***I have seen the photo of the windshield of the limo as it sat at the
>hospital. The windshield is cracked. I know what a bullet hole in glass
>looks like and that crack doesn't come anywhere close to being a hole
>through the glass.
>
Ron, can you or anyone post a source for such a photo?