Jack Ruby: "I did it for the Jewish people"

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Whatever he was doing behind the scenes, Ruby became known as a nightclub
owner and at some point began attending services at Congregation Shearith
Israel.

Rabbi Hillel Silverman, who was the Dallas synagogue's spiritual leader
from 1954 to 1964, says Ruby came to say Kaddish for his father.

"He came to minyan one day with a cast on his arm," Silverman recalled. "I
said, 'Jack, what happened?' He said, 'In my club, somebody was very
raucous, and I was the bouncer.' "

Silverman, now 89 and still leading High Holy Days services every year,
remembers Ruby well. Once Ruby showed up at the rabbi's house with a
litter of puppies and insisted the rabbi take one. When the family went to
Israel one summer, Ruby looked after the dog.

"The day of the assassination, we had our regular Friday night service,
which became a memorial service for the president," Silverman said. "Jack
was there. People were either irate or in tears, and Jack was neither. He
came over and said, 'Good Shabbos, rabbi. Thank you for visiting my sister
Eva in the hospital last week.' I thought that was rather peculiar."

Two days later, Silverman spoke to his Sunday morning confirmation class,
expressing relief to the students that Lee Harvey Oswald was not Jewish or
there might have been a "pogrom" in Dallas. He then switched on the radio
and heard that a "Jack Rubenstein" had killed the assassin.

"I was shocked," said Silverman. "I visited him the next day in jail, and
I said, 'Why, Jack, why?' He said, 'I did it for the American people.'" I
interrupted Silverman, pointing out that other reports had Ruby saying he
did it "to show that Jews had guts." The rabbi sighed.

"Yes, he mentioned that," Silverman said. "But I don't like to mention it.
I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.' But I've tried to wipe
that statement from my mind."


Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish Background
Steve North November 17, 2013
http://forward.com/news/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

The fact that Ruby did say - and he did say this late in his life - that
there was a conspiracy to kill JFK does not mean that he admitted to be
involving in it or that he knew anything about such a conspiracy. These
are two different matters. His belief that there was one is not evidence
of his involvement or evidence of his knowledge of one.

He adamantly insisted until his death that he was NOT part of any
conspiracy to kill JFK and that he acted alone. And, to my knowledge, he
never presented any evidence of his knowledge of one. Because he had none.

He was terrified that people thought he was involved in the assassination
since he was worried that Jews would be blamed for it.

This fear is why he wanted to take the lie detector test and to go to
Washington. He thought that by taking the test he would prove that he - a
Jew - was not involved. And he was fearful of staying in Dallas because he
thought that Jews were being targeted. He believed that his family was
going to be killed as a result of his shooting of Oswald.

The man was mentally ill.

Or one can argue it was all an act, a cover.

Quite an act.

[Anthony Marsh]

Or at least that was the story that his lawyer told him to say, in order
to get sympathy.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:


> I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.' But I've tried to wipe
> that statement from my mind."
>
>
> Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish Background
> Steve North November 17, 2013
> http://forward.com/news/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/

X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/quotes




The Best Thing JFK Ever Did For Israel
Jason Maoz November 3rd, 2010
http://www.jewishpress.com/indepth/front-page/the-best-thing-jfk-ever-did-for-israel/2010/11/03/


The U.S.-Israel relationship would really begin to bloom during the
administration of Lyndon Baines Johnson - a man Kennedy despised and whom
he chose as his vice-presidential running mate reluctantly and grudgingly.
Johnson had been one of Israel's staunchest supporters on Capitol Hill
throughout the 1950s, and once the trauma of Kennedy's assassination began
to wear off and LBJ settled in as president, the relationship between the
U.S. and Israel soared to new heights.

First off the table was the nuclear issue. In The Bomb in the Basement,
his history of Israel's procurement of nuclear weapons, Israeli author
Michael Karpin wrote that "as soon as [Johnson] entered the White House
the pressure on Israel on the Dimona issue ceased."

And while Kennedy's final budget, for fiscal year 1964, allocated $40
million in aid to Israel, Johnson's first budget, for fiscal year 1965,
set aside $71 million - an extraordinary increase of 75 percent. The
amount nearly doubled in 1966, to $130 million.

Beyond the numbers, the nature and terms of the aid signaled a dramatic
break with past American policy. Development loans and surplus food had
constituted the extent of U.S. aid under Eisenhower and Kennedy, and the
anti-aircraft missiles sold to Israel by the Kennedy administration
required a cash payment. Johnson changed all that: Not only did he become
the first American president to sell offensive weapons to Israel, but from
now on the Israelis would be permitted to buy American arms with American
aid money, which meant no funds would have to leave Israel's hard-pressed
government coffers.

As a result of the new arrangement, the percentage of American aid to
Israel earmarked for military expenditures rose dramatically, more than
tripling between 1965 and 1967. By the middle of 1966, the Israelis were
purchasing military hardware the type of which would have been unthinkable
under prior administrations, including four-dozen Skyhawk bomber attack
planes and more than 200 M-48 tanks.

And while Johnson told Israel in June 1967 that the U.S. could not support
a preemptive strike against Egypt and Syria, he would, in the aftermath of
what came to be called the Six-Day War, refrain from pressing Israel to
relinquish any of the territory it conquered.

Shortly after the war, during a summit meeting in Glassboro, New Jersey,
Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin asked Johnson why he insisted on supporting
a tiny, relatively poor country like Israel over the numerous oil-rich
Arab states. "Because it's right," Johnson replied.

In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel -
inadvertently, of course, and holding his nose all the way - was choosing
Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.

[GKnoll]

You do not have to guess.

Here are Jack Ruby's own words.

He did because the people has so much to gain.

And let us not forget that Jack Ruby TOLD US there was a conspiracy.

RUBY: Everything pertaining to what is happening has never come to the
surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my
motives, in other words, I am the only person in the background, that
knows the truth pertaining to everything relating to my circumstance.

REPORTER: Do you think it will every come out?

RUBY: No, because, the people had so much to gain, and had such a
material motive, to put me in the position I'm in, will never let the
true facts come above board to the world.

REPORTER: Are these people in very high positions Jack?

RUBY: Yes.

https://youtu.be/5dLupbqmtUU

[Anthony Marsh]

Exactly. Now do you see the difference between a conspiracy to murder and
the cover-up? I seriously doubt that Ruby would know any of the shooters.
Unless you think Oswald was a shooter and knew Ruby.

> are two different matters. His belief that there was one is not evidence
> of his involvement or evidence of his knowledge of one.
>

He was the first conspiracy researcher, trying to find out who paid for
the attack ads threatening JFK.

> He adamantly insisted until his death that he was NOT part of any
> conspiracy to kill JFK and that he acted alone. And, to my knowledge, he
> never presented any evidence of his knowledge of one. Because he had none.
>

He thought the JBS was behind it. So did the HSCA at first.

> He was terrified that people thought he was involved in the assassination
> since he was worried that Jews would be blamed for it.
>

Does the name Weissman ring a bell? Does that sound Irish to you?

> This fear is why he wanted to take the lie detector test and to go to
> Washington. He thought that by taking the test he would prove that he - a

No, he knew he was a dead man in Dallas, and he soon was.

> Jew - was not involved. And he was fearful of staying in Dallas because he
> thought that Jews were being targeted. He believed that his family was
> going to be killed as a result of his shooting of Oswald.
>
> The man was mentally ill.
>

Yeah, so what? Perfect for the Mafia and the CIA.

> Or one can argue it was all an act, a cover.
>

Or that his lawyer told him what to say.

> Quite an act.
>

[GKnoll]

Oh stop it.

YOu say he "adamantly stated until his death that he was not a part of
any conspiracy to kill jfk".

First that is hearsay, you still have not shown any direct quotes from
Jack Ruby.

Second, what do you expect him to say? If the basis of your argument is
that he was afraid people would blame the Jews if he killed JFK , do you
expect him to say that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK? DUH.

Third, Ruby was a murderer, we know that. Don't you think a murder could
lie? He killed Oswald so to keep the conspiracy quiet. At least that is
a logical conclusion.

Fourth, he begged for a lie detector test, and at best, it was
inconclusive , and at worst, he flat out lied when he said he did not
help Oswald with the assassination.

Fifth, you do know that Ruby "died" an innocent man? The charges against
him were dropped, pending a new trial, and guess what happened...Jack
Ruby died suddenly of cancer, his name cleared.

You are doing your best to create plausible denial for him, but it is
not going to work, there is too much real evidence that points in the
other directions.

Here again are his own words, where he let the cat out of the bag...

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

The true facts as to his motives was, as he stated, that he killed Oswald
based on his own desires and wishes. He repeatedly said ON EVERY OCCASION
he was not part of a conspiracy. He acted on his own.

As he himself said in that quote: "I am the ONLY PERSON" who knows the
truth about his circumstances and actions. That means there WAS NO ONE
ELSE just him. If he was part of a conspiracy, if someone else told him to
kill Oswald then he couldn't or wouldn't say "I am the ONLY PERSON."

The position that he believed he was placed in was, again in his mind,
done by the Birchers and anti-semites who accused him of being involved in
the assassination of JFK. They were spreading stories that he was
involved.

But he was so paranoid that he believed that would never come out. The
Jews were going to be killed and the true facts - that he wasn't involved
in the assassination - would never come out.

You need to read all of his statements and not pluck out a sentence here
or there.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 2:59:53 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:


> > I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'

> X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?
> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/quotes

> In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing

> Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.

History shows that some issues are so critical that even the president of
the United States cannot force Israel's hand. The sharpest example took
place almost 50 years ago, when John F. Kennedy demanded that David
Ben-Gurion end Israel's nuclear deterrent program, deemed necessary to
ensure Jewish survival in a very hostile world.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/When-Ben-Gurion-said-no-to-JFK


In his public speeches and writings as prime minister Ben Gurion rarely
discussed the Holocaust. In private conversations and communications with
foreign leaders, however, he returned to the lessons of the Holocaust time
and again. In his correspondence with President John F. Kennedy in 1963,
he linked Arab enmity to Israel with Hitler's hatred of the Jews, and
wrote:

I know that it is difficult for civilized people to visualize such a
thing--even after they have witnessed what had happened to us during the
Second World War. I do not assume that could happen today or tomorrow. I
am not so young anymore, and it may not happen in my lifetime. But I
cannot dismiss the possibility that this may occur, if the situation in
the Middle East remains as it is, and the Arab leaders continue to insist
on and pursue their policy of belligerency against Israel. And it does not
matter whether it will or will not happen during my lifetime. As a Jew I
know the history of my people, and carry with me the memories of all it
has endured over a period of three thousand years, and the effort it has
cost to accomplish what has been achieved in this country in recent
generations. ... Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, both in
Israel and wherever they may live, and this existence is in danger.

https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html


Ben Gurion's determination to launch the nuclear project was the result of
strategic intuition and obsessive fears, not of a well-thought-out plan. He
believed Israel needed nuclear weapons as insurance if it could no longer
compete with the Arabs in an arms race, and as a weapon of last resort in
case of an extreme military emergency.
https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html


In July 1963, President Kennedy demanded of the newly-elected Israeli
Prime Minister that he allow U.S. inspections of the Israeli nuclear
facility at Dimona to make sure that the plant was "devoted exclusively to
peaceful purposes." Kennedy told Eshkol that the American commitment and
support of Israel 'could be seriously jeopardized' if Israel did not let
the United States obtain 'reliable information' about Israel's efforts in
the nuclear field. In the letter Kennedy presented specific demands on how
the American inspection visits to Dimona should be executed. Since the
United States had not been involved in the building of Dimona and no
international law or agreement had been violated, Kennedy demands were
indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/president-inspections-facility

[Mark Florio]

There is a name for that and Mark Lane is the Godfather. Mark

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, January 27, 2016 at 12:16:24 AM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 2:59:53 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:


> > > I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'


> > X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?
> > http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/quotes


> > In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing
> > Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.

> John F. Kennedy demanded that David
> Ben-Gurion end Israel's nuclear deterrent program, deemed necessary to
> ensure Jewish survival in a very hostile world.

> Kennedy demands were
> indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.

Lyndon Johnson succeeded Kennedy as president on November 22, 1963. He was
also opposed to Israel getting the bomb, Hersh says. "A nuclear Israel was
unacceptable." But Johnson was in the end more accommodating: "By the
middle 1960s, the game was fixed: President Johnson and his advisers would
pretend that the American inspections amounted to proof that Israel was
not building the bomb, leaving unblemished America's newly reaffirmed
support for nuclear nonproliferation."

"Unlike Kennedy, Johnson was not eager for a confrontation," Michael
Karpin writes in The Bomb in the Basement. "He preferred compromise."
Israel achieved nuclear capability in 1966, he says.

Both Karpin and Hersh attribute Johnson's winking acceptance of Israel
into the nuclear club to his sensitivity to the Jewish experience in the
Holocaust and the effect of what both men call "the Jewish lobby."

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/president-inspections-facility



Five months after the Kennedy letter to Israel demanding nuclear
inspections at Dimona, and a month after the Dallas assassination, Lyndon
Johnson made his first nonofficial public remarks in Austin at the
Dedication of the Agudas Achim Synagogue

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=26720

[Bud]

This is not a court of law. We can decide to give weight to such things.
You have to ask yourself whether you are dismissive of the information
because of a bias to believe there was a conspiracy.

> Second, what do you expect him to say?

You base your argument on things Ruby said, and then you go on to assert
that the things Ruby said should be ignored.

> If the basis of your argument is
> that he was afraid people would blame the Jews if he killed JFK , do you
> expect him to say that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK? DUH.
>
> Third, Ruby was a murderer, we know that. Don't you think a murder could
> lie?

You base your argument on what Ruby said and then you turn around and
call him a liar? Don`t you think that hurts your argument?

> He killed Oswald so to keep the conspiracy quiet. At least that is
> a logical conclusion.

Hobbyist figuring counts for nothing.

And where is the logic? If Oswald was to be killed to prevent him from
talking it would have to be before he was given the opportunity to talk.
He talked to the police. He talked to his family. He talked to the whole
country.

And how is it logical to kill a person who is not talking about exposing
the conspiracy (Oswald) and replace him with a person who is (Ruby)?

I don`t know why conspiracy hobbyists insist on invoking logic when they
are so bad at it.

> Fourth, he begged for a lie detector test, and at best, it was
> inconclusive , and at worst, he flat out lied when he said he did not
> help Oswald with the assassination.

Asking for a lie detector test is consistent with Ruby thinking his
ideas were valid. That doesn`t mean his ideas were not delusional.

> Fifth, you do know that Ruby "died" an innocent man?

I doubt his legal status was changed to "innocent" just because he was
granted a new trial.

> The charges against
> him were dropped, pending a new trial,

If the charges were dropped he wouldn`t be facing a new trial. He
wouldn`t be in jail.

> and guess what happened...Jack
> Ruby died suddenly of cancer, his name cleared.

A jury found him guilty of murder. And I happened to see him do it.

> You are doing your best to create plausible denial for him, but it is
> not going to work, there is too much real evidence that points in the
> other directions.

Yet conspiracy hobbyists have failed to go anywhere in these directions.
Most likely because there was nowhere to go.

> Here again are his own words, where he let the cat out of the bag...
>
> RUBY: Everything pertaining to what is happening has never come to the
> surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my
> motives, in other words, I am the only person in the background, that
> knows the truth pertaining to everything relating to my circumstance.
>
> REPORTER: Do you think it will every come out?
>
> RUBY: No, because, the people had so much to gain, and had such a
> material motive, to put me in the position I'm in, will never let the
> true facts come above board to the world.
>
> REPORTER: Are these people in very high positions Jack?
>
> RUBY: Yes.
>
> https://youtu.be/5dLupbqmtUU

Without specifics this is nothing. Maybe he was referring to the
Russians putting Oswald up to killing Kennedy.

[GKnoll]

Kennedy had a very good reason to do what he did.

We , the US, were also threatened by the Soviet Union when they placed
nuclear missiles in Cuba. The Soviet Union placed nuclear missiles in
Cuba because we placed nuclear missiles in Turkey, on the border with
the Soviet Union. In a quid pro quo deal, Kennedy agreed to remove the
missiles from Turkey in exchange for the Soviet Union removing the
missiles from Cuba.

To the Soviet Union, nuclear missiles in Israel was no different than
nuclear missiles in Turkey. JFK was not going to allow it, to protect
the United States.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, we have. Where ya been, hiding in your underground bunker?

> Second, what do you expect him to say? If the basis of your argument is
> that he was afraid people would blame the Jews if he killed JFK , do you
> expect him to say that he was part of a conspiracy to kill JFK? DUH.
>
> Third, Ruby was a murderer, we know that. Don't you think a murder could
> lie? He killed Oswald so to keep the conspiracy quiet. At least that is
> a logical conclusion.
>

That was often the only thing that people cited for believing the JFK
assassination was a conspiracy. If it wasn't a conspiracy, why the need
to kill Oswald to keep him from talking?

> Fourth, he begged for a lie detector test, and at best, it was
> inconclusive , and at worst, he flat out lied when he said he did not
> help Oswald with the assassination.
>

Doubtful. He wanted to get out of Texas, where he was a dead man.

> Fifth, you do know that Ruby "died" an innocent man? The charges against
> him were dropped, pending a new trial, and guess what happened...Jack
> Ruby died suddenly of cancer, his name cleared.
>

Not suddenly. It took a couple of months. They had not yet perfected
that virus.

> You are doing your best to create plausible denial for him, but it is
> not going to work, there is too much real evidence that points in the
> other directions.
>

Does any in this quadrant of our universe dispute the video of Jack Ruby
shooting Oswald? Do they claim it was a stand-in or stunt man?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

As an American I agree, but look at the 1963 situation as if you were
Israeli leadership; My country is surrounded by hostile elements, I need
to protect my country. I am dependent upon a foreign government to provide
aid, and if that state does not approve of my defenses, that patron state
will cut off the aid necessary to defend my homeland. I am facing an
existential dilemma, and one man stands in my way to defend my homeland
and it's population. What do I do?

Interestingly a very similar dilemma was considered in 2012 when the then
sitting US President was deemed a threat to Israel. Strangely, the
solution was outlined in print and published. Here is the gist of the
solution:



"A maelstrom of controversy erupted this past week after the publisher of
the Atlanta Jewish Times made highly controversial remarks, suggesting, in
an op-ed, the assassination of President Barack Obama as a possible means
for Israel to achieve its foreign policy objectives. Publisher Andrew
Adler wrote on January 13 that one option available to Israel was to "give
the go-ahead for U.S.-based Mossad agents to take out a president deemed
unfriendly to Israel in order for the current vice president to take his
place, and forcefully dictate that the United States' policy includes its
helping the Jewish state obliterate its enemies"

http://jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=349:atlanta-jewish-newspaper-publisher-suggests-israeli-assassination-of-obama&catid=110:national&Itemid=293
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jan/20/newspaper-owner-sorry-obama-hit-column

[BOZ]

PHD in lying.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

In his autobiography, Khrushchev explained why he ordered the placement of
the missiles in Cuba. The main reasons had little to do with the missiles
in Turkey. It had to do with the overwhelming superiority of US land based
missiles. By placing the missiles in Cuba he could mitigate that
advantage. He also wanted to secure West Berlin and he planned on using
the missiles in Cuba in a trade for his control of it. The Turkish
missiles were a minor reason for his actions. Read his autobiography.

And how was JFK protecting the US from what danger from the Soviets by
preventing the Israelis from having nuclear weapons?

[Anthony Marsh]

Knock it off. There were no nuclear missiles in Israel then.
Even the Soviet Union was smart enough to understand the difference
between Turkey and Israel.

[Anthony Marsh]

So, you think people in high positions means the Russians?
Not really. You are just being silly for the sake of being silly.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

> > > On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:


> > > > I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'


> > > X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?

> > > In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing
> > > Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.

> > Kennedy demands were
> > indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.

> Both Karpin and Hersh attribute Johnson's winking acceptance of Israel
> into the nuclear club to his sensitivity to the Jewish experience in the
> Holocaust and the effect of what both men call "the Jewish lobby."

James Angleton has been most written about because he was head of CIA
counter-intelligence and got obsessed about a Soviet mole in the CIA.
Although that may be the most publicized role he had, he did other things,
too, and his most important job really -- and this is the role that the
agency has always been very keen to obscure. In fact, they prevented one
former colleague of his in the agency from writing a book about him
because they said, "Oh, my God, if he writes that book, he'll talk about
this particular job," which was Angleton's role as a liaison with foreign
intelligence services, including the Israelis -- particularly the
Israelis, in fact.

This was an absolutely key role. There's a lot of bodies buried there.
What Angleton was able to do were things the CIA couldn't do or didn't
want to be seen doing or wanted to do in this country, in which it's
legally precluded from doing. As liaison, Angleton could go to his buddies
in foreign intelligence services, and particularly the Israelis, and say,
"Help us out." Angleton was really the point man for the connection.

http://www.booknotes.org/FullPage.aspx?SID=20968-1



An obvious area of disinformation and deception exists in our relationship
with a nation often represented as our closest ally, Israel. I have often
been asked about the relationship between the CIA and its Israeli
counterpart, the Mossad.

The CIA maintains some kind of liaison with virtually every foreign
intelligence agency, including the KGB. These relationships vary from case
to case, but our relationship with the Mossad was always a peculiar one.

When I was in the agency, the Mossad was generally not trusted. There was
an unwritten rule that no Jews could work on Israeli or near Eastern
matters; it was felt that they could not be totally objective.. There was
a split in the agency, however, and Israel was not included in the normal
area division, the Near Eastern Division. Instead it was handled as a
special account in counterintelligence. The man who handled that account,
James Jesus Angleton, was extremely close to the Israelis. I believe that
through Angleton the Israelis learned a lot more than they should have and
exercised a lot more influence on our activities than they should have.

For his trouble, James Angleton...was honored by the Israelis, in the way
that the Israelis customarily honor their Gentile helpers. They decided to
plant a whole forest for Angleton in the Judean hills, and they put up a
handsome plaque in several languages, lionizing Angleton as a great friend
of Israel, on a nearby rock. Israeli's intelligence chiefs, past and
present, attended the dedication ceremony. Later on, a television reporter
of my acquaintance sought out Angleton's memorial during an assignment in
Israel. After some difficulty, he was able to locate it, but something
seemed odd about it. On closer inspection, Angleton's plaque turned out to
be made, not of bronze, but of cardboard. Nor was the setting particularly
flattering to Israel's late benefactor: the trees and plaque were at the
edge of a garbage dump. My friend's British cameraman put it best "This
guy sold out his country for the bloody Israelis, and this is the way they
pay him back!"

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p305_Marchetti.html



RFK Jr: My father was convinced 'rogue CIA' killed his brother
http://www.sott.net/article/268807-RFK-Jr-My-father-was-convinced-rogue-CIA-killed-his-brother

[Bud]

Do you it would be the peasants conspiring with Oswald to kill Kennedy?

[GKnoll]

NSAM 231. Middle East Nuclear Capabilities.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg

[Anthony Marsh]

I am guessing that his idea is to prevent Israel from starting WWIII and
dragging us into it. Do you know where Armageddon is located?

>
>
>
>
>
>

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Yes, we all know about the US concern - not just JFK's - about nuclear
proliferation. The US had overwhelming nuclear superiority - and
conventional superiority - against Israel or any of these other countries
who might consider building nuclear weapons. They were no threat to the
US.

The fear was that it would destabilize other parts of the world.

Once again, you wrote: "To the Soviet Union, nuclear missiles in Israel

was no different than nuclear missiles in Turkey. JFK was not going to
allow it, to protect the United States"

What was JFK protecting the US from a nuclear Israel? A nuclear Israel was
no threat to the US.

A world with multiple nuclear powers was a danger since it could lead to
regional nuclear wars, e.g., India and Pakistan.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 4:34:18 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:


> > > > > 'I did it for the Jewish people.'


> > > > X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?


> > > > In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing
> > > > Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.


> > > Kennedy demands were
> > > indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.


> > Both Karpin and Hersh attribute Johnson's winking acceptance of Israel
> > into the nuclear club to his sensitivity to the Jewish experience in the
> > Holocaust and the effect of what both men call "the Jewish lobby."

> James Angleton sold out his country for the bloody Israelis, and this is the way they
> pay him back!"


Our first joint visit to the United States (Yitzhak had been there before)
took place in November 1963, just before Yitzhak had been appointed chief
of staff for the IDF. In preparation for that appointment, Yitzhak
embarked on a high-level orientation trip to America. I can appreciate now
how momentous it was to have visited the United States at that time. We
went to New York and Washington and Yitzhak traveled to several other
cities, mainly military centers and installations-- all so exciting and
awesome and the source of many important new ideas. I remember Yitzhak
making an offhand comment to me on our way home to Israel "You know, when
I finish my term as chief of staff, I'll be ready to replace Abe Harman."
Harman was Israel's Ambassador in Washington at the time. Yitzhak's
premonition later materialized. Our 1963 trip to the United States lasted
3 weeks. I was astonished at the size and the excitement of New York. This
was a fast-moving lifestyle unlike anything I had known in Europe or
Israel. Dalia and Yuval along with a number of officers, met us at Lod
Airport in Tel Aviv upon our return.

We were told that President Kennedy had been shot, his condition was as
yet unclear. We had never met the Kennedy's but we could sense how the
promise of John Kennedy's future had stirred American's and how
devastating it would be if something serious had happened to him. Just as
we walked in the door of our home, I picked up the phone to hear shocking
news: John F. Kennedy was dead.

To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been
in Dallas just hours before -- albeit as mere coincidence; Fort Bliss was
a stop on his military briefing tour-- was disorienting. Yitzhak was about
to become chief of staff and had just completed an intensive study of
state-of-the-art defense and security practices from the most powerful
nation in the world and suddenly we learned that country's chief-executive
was slain by a lone-gunman.

"Rabin Our Life His Legacy"
http://imgbox.com/k3AHnNXt

-----------

ruby.slippers.11.23.63
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
- show quoted text -

So, you think people in high positions means the Russians?
Not really. You are just being silly for the sake of being silly.

And you are being snarky just for the sake of being snarky.

[Anthony Marsh]

No, the CIA thought it was the KGB.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 1/29/2016 4:34 PM, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>>> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>>>>> I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'
>
>
>>>> X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?
>
>
>>>> In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing
>>>> Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.
>
>
>
>
>>> Kennedy demands were
>>> indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.
>
>
>
>
>> Both Karpin and Hersh attribute Johnson's winking acceptance of Israel
>> into the nuclear club to his sensitivity to the Jewish experience in the
>> Holocaust and the effect of what both men call "the Jewish lobby."
>
>
>
>
> James Angleton has been most written about because he was head of CIA
> counter-intelligence and got obsessed about a Soviet mole in the CIA.

Point of order. Angleton did not know who the mole was, so saying Soviet
is a little misleading. Maybe just some American double agent.

> Although that may be the most publicized role he had, he did other things,
> too, and his most important job really -- and this is the role that the
> agency has always been very keen to obscure. In fact, they prevented one
> former colleague of his in the agency from writing a book about him
> because they said, "Oh, my God, if he writes that book, he'll talk about
> this particular job," which was Angleton's role as a liaison with foreign
> intelligence services, including the Israelis -- particularly the
> Israelis, in fact.
>

Don't forget the British MI-5. That's where the mole was.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, January 30, 2016 at 11:53:43 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, January 29, 2016 at 4:34:18 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 5:08:59 PM UTC-5, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > > > 'I did it for the Jewish people.'

> > > > > X: Why was Kennedy Killed? Who benefited? Who has the power to cover it up?

> > > > > In the end, the best thing John Kennedy ever did for Israel was choosing
> > > > > Lyndon Johnson as his running mate.

> > > > Kennedy demands were
> > > > indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in effect, to American ultimatum.

> > > Both Karpin and Hersh attribute Johnson's winking acceptance of Israel
> > > into the nuclear club to his sensitivity to the Jewish experience in the
> > > Holocaust and the effect of what both men call "the Jewish lobby."

> > James Angleton sold out his country for the bloody Israelis, and this is the way they
> > pay him back!"

> To have just returned from the United States and for Yitzhak to have been

> in Dallas just hours before was disorienting.

> "Rabin Our Life His Legacy"
> http://imgbox.com/k3AHnNXt

Martin Sandler's The Letters of John F. Kennedy will be the only book that
focuses on letters both from and to Kennedy. Drawn from more than two
million letters on file at the Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum,
The Letters of John F. Kennedy presents readers with a portrait of both
Kennedy the politician and Kennedy the man, as well as the turbulent times
he lived in.

http://jfkhyannismuseum.org/speaker-series-and-book-signing-by-martin-sandler-the-author-of-letter-of-john-f-kennedy/


Martin Sandler spoke at the John F. Kennedy Museum in Hyannis, Massachusetts.
NOVEMBER 6, 2013
https://vimeo.com/135541304

[GKnoll]

You keep trying to create a red herring argument by asking what was JFK
protecting the US from a nuclear Israel? I never said that. You are
saying that to divert the conversation. I said that Israel thought they
were under threat of attack from the Soviet Union. I said that the U.S.
had just resolved a real nuclear threat from the Soviet Union by
withdrawing missiles from Turkey.


You keep ignoring the most important point, about which there is no
dispute...JFK was not going to allow Israel to possess nuclear weapons.
That is the question you have to deal with. I posted NSAM 231 which states
the reasons. You said , yeah yeah everyone knows about NSAM 231, but in
fact, not very many people do know about NSAM 231. Very few, particularly
in the JFK research commuunity. It is like the red headed grandkid that no
one wants to talk about.

[Bud]

Maybe thats what Ruby thought also. KGB agents in high positions.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

And, of course, he was worried about a US intervention. Either another
Bay of Pigs or a direct US invasion.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

I don't think Israel was our closest ally in 1963? Certainly not
intelligence agencies? Wasn't it still the British intelligence then and
not Mossad?

We were worried about Soviet actions. What could the Mossad do to help us
there?

[Anthony Marsh]

Silly. No one said that Israel was going to attack the US. Didn't you
watch the movie War Games? The danger is that Israel would use a nuclear
bomb against an Arab country and then the Soviets would nuke Israel in
retaliation and that would start WWIII.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

JFK didn't want ANY OTHER COUNTRY to develop nuclear weapons not just
Israel. It was the US policy to prevent the proliferation of nuclear
weapons period. JFK didn't want China to develop nuclear weapons either.
He didn't want any country to develop there.

For some reason you fixate on Israel on this issue and ignore the fact
that it was the policy to stop the development of nuclear weapons in other
countries as well.

Why are you fixated on Israel and not these other countries? What does NSAM
231 have to do with the JFK assassination?

Second: it's not a red herring re what JFK wanted to do. Once again here
are your words (not mine):

"To the Soviet Union, nuclear missiles in Israel was no different than
nuclear missiles in Turkey. JFK was not going to allow it, to protect the
United States."

Again: "JFK was not going to allow it [Israel to develop nuclear weapons],

to protect the United States."

Who was JFK protecting the United States from? Israel? The Soviets? Why
would the US need protecting from the Soviets if Israel got nuclear
weapons? The Soviets aren't going to threaten the US if Israel gets
nuclear weapons. It's a non sequitur on your part.

Once again: the Cuban missile crisis was not caused because the US had
nuclear missiles in Turkey. Khrushchev explained in his autobiography why
he placed the missiles there (or tried to). He wanted to address the
nuclear advantage that the US had with its land based missiles. The US had
overwhelming superiority (regardless of the missiles in Turkey) and he
wanted to mitigate that. He also wanted a bargaining chip for West Berlin.
He also was worried about a US invasion. And yet, an ancillary reason was
the US missiles in Turkey.

You seem to be suggesting that because JFK wanted to stop Israel from
getting nuclear weapons - because it would cause another Cuban
missile-like crisis if they got them - that Israel killed JFK? Is that
what you're saying?

Just come right out and say it.

[Anthony Marsh]

Spying. Using their Jewish Russians as spies.

[Anthony Marsh]

But YOU are not allowed to know about the invasion planned for December,
because you are a CIA sycophant.

[Anthony Marsh]

Nope. Unless you really want to go down the road of claiming that Ruby
worked for the KGB. After all, he WAS a Russian Jew.

[OHLeeRedux]

stevemg...@yahoo.com

- show quoted text -

JFK didn't want ANY OTHER COUNTRY to develop nuclear weapons not just
Israel. It was the US policy to prevent the proliferation of nuclear
weapons period. JFK didn't want China to develop nuclear weapons either.
He didn't want any country to develop there.

For some reason you fixate on Israel on this issue and ignore the fact
that it was the policy to stop the development of nuclear weapons in other
countries as well.

Why are you fixated on Israel and not these other countries?

I think it's quite obvious why these people fixate on Israel and try to
blame the Jews for any conspiracy their little minds can dream up.

That disease has been around for a very long time.

[GKnoll]

Go back and read what I wrote. All I have done is post evidence to
counter your spin.

I will post it again.

I am going to quote from it because it is obvious you did not read it.

NSAM 231. Middle East Nuclear Capabilities.

"The President desires, a a matter of urgency, that we undertake every
feasible measure to improve our intelligence on the Israeli nuclear
program as well as other Israeli and UAR advanced weapon programs, and
to arrive at a firmer evaluation of their import. In this connection he
wishes the next informal inspection of the Israeli reactor complex to be
undertaken promptly and to be as thorough as possible.

In view of his great concern over the destablizing impact of any Israeli
or UAR program looking toward the development of nuclear weapons, the
President also wishes the Department of State to develop proposals for
forestalling such programs; in particular we should develop plans for
seeking clearer assurances from the governments concerned on this point,
and means of impressing upon them how seriously such a development would
be regarded in this country."


There I wrote the whole thing. You have no excuse for not reading it.
However, I cannot understand it for you.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg

[Anthony Marsh]

Well, some kook in this thread said, "JFK was not going to allow it, to
protect the United States."

> saying that to divert the conversation. I said that Israel thought they
> were under threat of attack from the Soviet Union. I said that the U.S.

No, they didn't. They worried about Arab countries sponsored by the
Soviet Union.

> had just resolved a real nuclear threat from the Soviet Union by
> withdrawing missiles from Turkey.

Actually they did not withdraw the missiles from Turkey before the
Soviets withdrew theirs from Cuba. They just promised. And the Soviets
did not remove their tactical nuclear missiles from Cuba which the US
did not know about.

>
>
> You keep ignoring the most important point, about which there is no
> dispute...JFK was not going to allow Israel to possess nuclear weapons.

He had no right to allow or disallow.

> That is the question you have to deal with. I posted NSAM 231 which
> states the reasons. You said , yeah yeah everyone knows about NSAM 231,
> but in fact, not very many people do know about NSAM 231. Very few,
> particularly in the JFK research commuunity. It is like the red headed
> grandkid that no one wants to talk about.
>

Well, many of us are allergic to anti-Semitism.

>
>

[la.kosher....@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, February 2, 2016 at 12:04:22 AM UTC-5, OHLeeRedux wrote:
> stevemg...@yahoo.com

Why did Lyndon Johnson conceal Israel's 1967 murderous attack on America,
like he did in 1963, and who was former Ingun member Mathilde Krim, and
what was she doing in the White House while the 1967 murders were being
committed?






"What a crazy situation," Krim thought; when she recounted the episode
later, she found it difficult to decide what was crazier: the war, or the
fact that she had learned about it from the president of the United States
as she stood before him in her nightgown. "The truth is, it was a little
bizarre of him to come to me like that and tell me about the war. He
probably felt he needed a little understanding, a little sympathy."


How LBJ's Vietnam War Paralyzed His Mideast Policymakers
By Grace Halsell
http://www.wrmea.org/1993-june/how-lbj-s-vietnam-war-paralyzed-his-mideast-policymakers.html

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

This is the conspiracy worldview. You take one piece, one document, and
then say it's evidence of a conspiracy.

I read the document.

Did you read the national security memos about preventing OTHER countries
from developing nuclear weapons? Did you read the other policy statements
by JFK about preventing nuclear proliferation? Did you read the memos
about preventing China from developing nuclear weapons?

Do you know it was the policy of the JFK Administration to stop the spread
of nuclear weapons IN ALL COUNTRIES NOT JUST ISRAEL?

You somehow think the policy towards Israel and nuclear weapons was
unique. It wasn't. It was the overall policy of the Administration to stop
nuclear proliferation.

You are searching the historical landscape of the JFK Administration and
singling out one piece of land to fit it into your conspiracy views.

Meanwhile, you ignore all of the other evidence that completely undermines
your claims.

Classic JFK conspiracy thinking.

[Anthony Marsh]

But you can put your own spin on it.

[Anthony Marsh]

Maybe they're Caananites who still carry a grudge.

[la.kosher....@gmail.com]

More likely a disgruntled descendant of Noah who, was forced to spend 40
days and 40 nights in a boat made of Shittim wood.

[GKnoll]

You have not provided any evidence to show that JFK was had the same
level of concern for other countries. You are just trying to create a
red herring argument. Show some evidence.

But it is not going to be a easy task to show where JFK had the same
level concern which caused NSAM 231 to worded like this...

"The President desires, a a matter of urgency, that we undertake every
feasible measure to improve our intelligence on the Israeli nuclear
program as well as other Israeli and UAR advanced weapon programs, and
to arrive at a firmer evaluation of their import.

"In this connection he wishes the next informal inspection of the
Israeli reactor complex to be undertaken promptly and to be as thorough
as possible.


"In view of his great concern over the destablizing impact of any
Israeli or UAR program looking toward the development of nuclear
weapons, the President also wishes the Department of State to develop
proposals for forestalling such programs; in particular we should
develop plans for seeking clearer assurances from the governments
concerned on this point, and means of impressing upon them how seriously
such a development would be regarded in this country."

So please show me other instances where JFK was demanding inspection of
some other countries nuclear program. And please show me other instances
where JFK asked the State Department to develop proposals to forestall
nuclear programs in another country.


The fact that you like to always add some innuendo about "conspiracy
thinking" just shows that you have a weak argument. Show some evidence
to support your statements.

[Anthony Marsh]

Excellent point. So why don't YOU upload them. Maybe he's never seen
them. How can you teach if you don't show?

> Do you know it was the policy of the JFK Administration to stop the spread
> of nuclear weapons IN ALL COUNTRIES NOT JUST ISRAEL?
>
> You somehow think the policy towards Israel and nuclear weapons was
> unique. It wasn't. It was the overall policy of the Administration to stop
> nuclear proliferation.
>

And even reduce US and Soviet arsenals.
And stop above ground testing. It's not just the fear of war, but also
the fear of contamination.

> You are searching the historical landscape of the JFK Administration and
> singling out one piece of land to fit it into your conspiracy views.
>
> Meanwhile, you ignore all of the other evidence that completely undermines
> your claims.
>
> Classic JFK conspiracy thinking.
>

It stems from anti-Semitism and they apply it to whatever controversy
comes up. The claimed that Mossad agents were cheering as the Twin
Towers collapsed.
Is Bigfoot Jewish?
MEME

>

[Anthony Marsh]

So you just ignore "UAR" because you don't know what that means?
UAR = United ARAB Republic. The focus was not only on Israel.
So why don't you change your theory to make it a joint effort by Israel
AND Egypt? Can't you extend your anti-Semitism to ALL Arabs as well?
After all, they were the original Semites.

> "In this connection he wishes the next informal inspection of the
> Israeli reactor complex to be undertaken promptly and to be as thorough
> as possible.
>
>
> "In view of his great concern over the destablizing impact of any
> Israeli or UAR program looking toward the development of nuclear
> weapons, the President also wishes the Department of State to develop
> proposals for forestalling such programs; in particular we should
> develop plans for seeking clearer assurances from the governments
> concerned on this point, and means of impressing upon them how seriously
> such a development would be regarded in this country."
>
>
>
> So please show me other instances where JFK was demanding inspection of
> some other countries nuclear program. And please show me other instances
> where JFK asked the State Department to develop proposals to forestall
> nuclear programs in another country.
>

Would we demand inspection of our allies to whom we had given the atomic
bomb or our enemies who already had it? What about India and Pakistan?

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

JFK's statements on nuclear non-proliferation:

http://carnegieendowment.org/2003/11/17/jfk-on-nuclear-weapons-and-non-proliferation/

Read his first State of the Union address; read his Berlin speech; read
his American University speech; read his policies on the nuclear test ban.

Or you can just read a single memo about a single country and conclude
from that that he only worried about Israel.

[GKnoll]

What you are linking to is the "theory" for prevention of nuclearization.
There is nothing in the articles you link to that specifically point out
the nuclear programs of a specific country and what his intended actions
toward that program is going to be.

NSAM 231 is the implementation of that theory with respect to Israel and
the UAR.

I asked you before, and I ask again, please show me other instances of
where JFK showed the same level of concern about another countries nuclear
program as he showed for the Israeli nuclear program in NSAM 231.

[Anthony Marsh]

But that's the point, silly. It wasn't just about "a single country."
Maybe you didn't read it carefully. It clearly says "Israeli and UAR."
Ok, so the problem is that you don't know what UAR means.
Then Google it:

United Arab Republic
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see United Arab Republic (disambiguation).
"UAR" redirects here. For other uses, see UAR (disambiguation).
United Arab Republic
?????????????????? ?????????????? ??????????????
al-Jumh??riyyah al-???Arab??yah al-Mutta???idah
???

???

???
1958???1961 ???

???

Flag Coat of arms
Anthem
"Walla Zaman Ya Selahy"[1]
?????????? ???????? ???? ??????????
(English: "Oh My Weapon")
Capital Cairo
Languages Arabic
Government Unitary socialist state
President
??? 1958???1961 Gamal Abdel Nasser
Legislature National Assembly
Historical era Cold War
??? Established 22 February 1958
??? Disestablished 28 September 1961
Area
??? 1961 1,166,049 km?? (450,214 sq mi)
Population
??? 1961 est. 32,203,000
Density 27.6 /km?? (71.5 /sq mi)
Currency Egyptian pound
Syrian pound
Calling code +20

The United Arab Republic (UAR; Arabic: ?????????????????? ?????????????? ?????????????????
al-Jumh??r??yah al-???Arab??yah al-Mutta???idah) was a short-lived political
union between Egypt and Syria. The union began in 1958 and existed until
1961, when Syria seceded from the union after the 1961 Syrian coup
d'??tat. Egypt continued to be known officially as the "United Arab
Republic" until 1971. The president was Gamal Abdel Nasser. It was a
member of the United Arab States, a loose confederation with North Yemen
which in 1961 dissolved along with the Republic.

TWO countries, not just "a single country" as you said. And neither did
your opponent know what the UAR was nor did he care. His only goal is to
attack Jews.


In case you wonder why I bother correcting you, it is not because I want
to dull your point of the stick to attack him, but rather to sharpen it
for you.

[gkno...@gmail.com]

This post is a perfect example of why you are a troll. You make statements
that are not true that are designed to illicit an emotional response and
McAdams plays along with you because he wants the traffic to his newsgroup
for whatever reason.

There is absolutely nothing in this thread that is anti-semitic. You do
not know what is anti-semitism. But you know that you can play the
anti-semitic card whenever Israel is mentioned in the context of the JFK
assassination and get away with it. McAdams will post it for you.

You play the anti-semitic card because you are trying to poison the well,
a common tactic that you use often.

Playing the anti-semitic card is not going to work anymore. People are
wise to it.

Instead of addressing the issue, which is a real issue, you play the
anti-semitic card to stop its discussion.

The title of this thread is "Jack Ruby said he did it for the jewish
people". This is not my thread. The fact, and it is a fact, that JFK was
not going to allow Israel to possess nuclear weapons is a very important,
and way under-investigated issue in this case. When you make statements
like you make, if enforces the belief of why this case has never been
solved and what exactly was and is the true purpose of the "research"
community.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

JFK considered using military action, including joining with the Soviets
to do so, to stop the Chinese nuclear program. This is far, far more
serious than anything he considered in trying to stop the Israeli program.

More: "Less than a year after President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA) Director William Foster told a
historian that Kennedy had been willing to "consider politically dangerous
moves" to coerce the People's Republic of China (PRC) into complying with
the 1963 Limited Test Ban Treaty. Foster, whose comments remained
classified until 1994, asserted that Kennedy was even willing to sacrifice
the proposed U.S.-European multilateral force (MLF) to secure Soviet
cooperation "in taking action, if necessary physically, against China."
Foster told his interviewer that the president would "think out loud,"
saying, "You know, it wouldn't be too hard if we could somehow get kind of
an anonymous airplane to go over there, take out the Chinese facili
ties--they've only got a couple--and maybe we could do it, or maybe the
Soviet Union could do it, rather than face the threat of a China with
nuclear weapons."

And:

[D]eclassified documents show that Kennedy and his advisers did much more
than talk. They reveal that the Kennedy administration initiated a massive
intelligence effort, including U-2 flights and satellite reconnaissance
programs, to break through the secrecy that surrounded the Chinese nuclear
program, which had begun in the mid-1950s. The documents show that after
Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev rebuffed U.S. overtures for joint moves
against the Chinese program, U.S. officials explored military action
without the Soviets."

Again: JFK didn't consider anything remotely similar to this with regards
to the Israeli program.

Source/link: http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

JFK considered joining with the Soviets to attack Chinese nuclear
facilities. The Soviets were reluctant, to say the least, to join us so he
had the Pentagon draw up plans to do so. He was killed before a final
decision could be made.

His administration took the Chinese nuclear program far more seriously
than the Israeli program.

The evidence is here:

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf

[Anthony Marsh]

Often the NSAM is just a broad outline of the policy the President has
decided on. The details are in reports from lower levels which he has
approved. Such as NSAM 263, which approved the recommendations of the
Taylor-McNamara report, which lists the specific plant to be implemented.

> NSAM 231 is the implementation of that theory with respect to Israel and
> the UAR.
>
> I asked you before, and I ask again, please show me other instances of
> where JFK showed the same level of concern about another countries
> nuclear program as he showed for the Israeli nuclear program in NSAM 231.
>

You mean in still classified memos or NSC meetings or WH recordings or
his personal recordings?

>
>

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh

- show quoted text -

Maybe you should let others make their points in any way they wish. In
other words, mind your own business.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

> The title of this thread is "Jack Ruby said he did it for the jewish
> people". This is not my thread. The fact, and it is a fact, that JFK was
> not going to allow Israel to possess nuclear weapons is a very important,
> and way under-investigated issue in this case. When you make statements
> like you make, if enforces the belief of why this case has never been
> solved and what exactly was and is the true purpose of the "research"
> community.

Arnon Milchan, executive producer of the Oliver Stone film, "JFK", was/is
an Israeli spy who smuggled nuclear triggers into Israel from the USA.

Is it any wonder the Stone film never approached the Israel/Mossad angle
of the JFK assassination?



FBI investigates MILCO (Milchan's CO) nuclear trigger smuggling to Israel
http://www.israellobby.org/krytons/default.asp

The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan
http://amconfidential.blogspot.com/






The Milchan seaside estate is the former home of legendary Director John
Frankenheimer, who directed such classics as the Manchurian Candidate and
Birdman of Alcatraz. It is also the house where Robert Kennedy spent his
last night before his assassination by Sirhan Sirhan in 1968 at the
Ambassador Hotel the next day.

http://amconfidential.blogspot.com/2014/03/images-arnon-milchan-hosts-prime.html


(Milchan's home is where RFK spent his last night alive before being
'shot' 13 times with an 8 shot pistol, by a Palestinian born in Jerusalem)

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

And one more: "[JFK NSA adviser McGeorge] Bundy was in fact the point man
in countering the Chinese nuclear effort, passing Kennedy's instructions
to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), holding secret discussions with
Nationalist Chinese officials, and seeking to enlist Soviet diplomats in
joint efforts against China's nuclear program. Declassified material
discloses that high-level U.S. officials initiated contingency plans for
air attacks on Beijing's nuclear facilities and that the president offered
support for "action" by the CIA. In particular, after discussing Beijing's
nuclear program with Chinese Nationalist Gen. Chiang Ching-kuo in 1963,
CIA and Pentagon officials began to shift their thinking toward covert and
paramilitary options, including the possibility of a raid by Republic of
China (ROC) commandos."

Again, there is no evidence that the Kennedy Administration did anything
like this in regards to the Israeli nuclear program. Their opposition to
the Israeli program, as far as I can see, consisted of political and
diplomatic efforts and never included military options. Certainly not ones
that included joining with the Soviets to strike the facilities.

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf

[Anthony Marsh]

No, he didn't consider. He rejected.
You are thinking of the proposal by a Soviet leader in The Kremlin Letter.

> His administration took the Chinese nuclear program far more seriously
> than the Israeli program.
>

Yeah, but the Chinese program was a fait accompli.

[Anthony Marsh]

No, he didn't. Neither did he consider Operation Northwoods. He rejected
it out of hand.

> serious than anything he considered in trying to stop the Israeli program.
>
> More: "Less than a year after President John F. Kennedy's assassination,
> Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (ACDA) Director William Foster told a
> historian that Kennedy had been willing to "consider politically dangerous
> moves" to coerce the People's Republic of China (PRC) into complying with
> the 1963 Limited Test Ban Treaty. Foster, whose comments remained
> classified until 1994, asserted that Kennedy was even willing to sacrifice
> the proposed U.S.-European multilateral force (MLF) to secure Soviet
> cooperation "in taking action, if necessary physically, against China."
> Foster told his interviewer that the president would "think out loud,"
> saying, "You know, it wouldn't be too hard if we could somehow get kind of
> an anonymous airplane to go over there, take out the Chinese facili
> ties--they've only got a couple--and maybe we could do it, or maybe the
> Soviet Union could do it, rather than face the threat of a China with
> nuclear weapons."
>
> And:
>
> [D]eclassified documents show that Kennedy and his advisers did much more
> than talk. They reveal that the Kennedy administration initiated a massive
> intelligence effort, including U-2 flights and satellite reconnaissance
> programs, to break through the secrecy that surrounded the Chinese nuclear
> program, which had begun in the mid-1950s. The documents show that after
> Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev rebuffed U.S. overtures for joint moves
> against the Chinese program, U.S. officials explored military action
> without the Soviets."
>

Sure, but that is not banning nuclear weapons.

[GKnoll]

Well, of course they took the Chinese program more seriously, just like
they took the Soviet program more seriously, but they could not do
anything about those programs.

Here is a quote from the article you linked to...

"That Kennedy and his advisers considered using force against China?s
nuclear facilities was first documented publicly by historian Gordon
Chang in 1988.2 In that same year, however, the man who had been
Kennedy?s national security assistant, McGeorge Bundy, downplayed
Chang?s revelations, claiming that White House discussions of preventive
action against China had beensimply ?talk, not serious planning or real
intent.?

With respect to Israel, the JFK administration DID believe they could do
something about their nuclear program.

What the article you linked to shows is that JFK was serious about
stopping nuclear proliferation.

The acronym NSAM stands for National Security Action Memorandum.

In NSAM 31 JFK was ordering the inspections of Israels nuclear
facilities in Dimona. JFK was not going to give in to the Israelis on
this issue.

[GKnoll]

As I said in another thread, of course they were concerned about China's
nuclear program, but they really could not do anything about it. They
could not prevent it, they could only gather intelligence about it.

What you are illuminating is just how far JFK was willing to go to
prevent nuclear proliferation.

Here is a quote from the article you linked to...

"CIA analysts mused that when China or Israel went nuclear, ?other nations
might enter the field if only to counter the power and prestige which
their rivals or their enemies might gain.?

JFK knew he could not prevent China from going nuclear, but he obviously
believed that he could prevent Israel from going nuclear. Again, NSAM 231
is not some theoretical musing. It is a National Security Action
Memorandum

In the context of your article , and the extreme lengths to which JFK
appears was willing to go to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons, I am
going to post the words of NSAM 231 again. They actually carry greater
weight in the context of your article....

"The President desires, as a matter of urgency, that we undertake every

feasible measure to improve our intelligence on the Israeli nuclear
program as well as other Israeli and UAR advanced weapon programs, and to
arrive at a firmer evaluation of their import. In this connection he
wishes the next informal inspection of the Israeli reactor complex to be
undertaken promptly and to be as thorough as possible.

In view of his great concern over the destablizing impact of any Israeli
or UAR program looking toward the development of nuclear weapons, the
President also wishes the Department of State to develop proposals for
forestalling such programs; in particular we should develop plans for
seeking clearer assurances from the governments concerned on this point,
and means of impressing upon them how seriously such a development would
be regarded in this country."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg

[GKnoll]

Again, the administration realized they could not do anything to prevent
the Chinese from obtaining nuclear weapons, other than monitor it.

Here is a quote from the same article you link to by the same man
McGeorge Bundy where he says discussions of using force were simply
"talk"...

"That Kennedy and his advisers considered using force against China?s
nuclear facilities was first documented publicly by historian Gordon Chang
in 1988.2 In that same year, however, the man who had been Kennedy?s
national security assistant, McGeorge Bundy, downplayed Chang?s
revelations, claiming that White House discussions of preventive action

against China had been simply ?talk, not serious planning or real intent.?

They did nothing to intervene in the Chinese nuclear program.

They DID intervene in the Israeli nuclear program. They issued an
ultimatum to the Israeli government.

Avner Cohen, author of Israel and the Bomb, writes at the National
Security Archive:

"Not since President Eisenhower?s message to [David] Ben Gurion, in the
midst of the Suez crisis in November 1956, had an American president been
so blunt with an Israeli prime minister. Kennedy told Eshkol that the
American commitment and support of Israel ?could be seriously jeopardized?
if Israel did not let the United States obtain ?reliable information?
about Israel?s efforts in the nuclear field. In the letter Kennedy

presented specific demands on how the American inspection visits to Dimona
should be executed. Since the United States had not been involved in the
building of Dimona and no international law or agreement had been
violated, Kennedy demands were indeed unprecedented. They amounted, in
effect, to American ultimatum."

http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/president-inspections-facility/

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

According to the story I linked to, he not only considered it but Rusk
asked the Soviets if they would just with the US in such a strike. Now,
maybe Rusk did this on his own but I highly doubt it. And the evidence
cited in the piece indicate that JFK was involved in all of these
decisions.

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf

"You are thinking of the proposal by a Soviet leader in The Kremlin Letter>

This is not me thinking this; this is the authors of the piece I linked
to. I believe the Kremlin proposal that you mention was a suggestion by
Moscow during the Soviet/Sino border war after JFK had been assassinated.
This was in 1969 when Nixon was the president.

[Anthony Marsh]

No. Source please? Is that from some rightwing blog? Surely you couldn't
make up that crap all by yourself.

> Again, there is no evidence that the Kennedy Administration did anything
> like this in regards to the Israeli nuclear program. Their opposition to
> the Israeli program, as far as I can see, consisted of political and
> diplomatic efforts and never included military options. Certainly not ones
> that included joining with the Soviets to strike the facilities.
>

The US never offered to joining forces with the Soviets to attack
Chinese facilities.

> http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf
>

[Anthony Marsh]

Not sure what your point is. Are you saying it was a Hollywood conspiracy?
Or is it just garden variety anti-Semitism?

> Is it any wonder the Stone film never approached the Israel/Mossad angle
> of the JFK assassination?
>

Nor did he bring up aliens. You got a point?

>
>
> FBI investigates MILCO (Milchan's CO) nuclear trigger smuggling to Israel
> http://www.israellobby.org/krytons/default.asp
>
> The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan
> http://amconfidential.blogspot.com/
>
>
>

Sounds like a JBS site.

[Anthony Marsh]

It is my business. I am here to correct the LIES told by the WC defenders.
For the benefit of all, including lurkers and future historians.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

It's a quotation from the article I linked to. I provided the link at the
bottom of my post.

http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

You challenged me to present evidence that the JFK Administration took
actions against the nuclear programs of countries that were similar to
those taken against Israel.

I presented the evidence. The actions taken by the Kennedy Administration
against the Chinese program were far more serious and substantive than the
one they took against Israel.

End of story.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

> > Arnon Milchan, executive producer of the Oliver Stone film, "JFK", was/is
> > an Israeli spy who smuggled nuclear triggers into Israel from the USA.

> > Is it any wonder the Stone film never approached the Israel/Mossad angle
> > of the JFK assassination?



> Nor did he bring up aliens. You got a point?

"I did it for the Jewish people." - Arnon Milchan

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/11/22/i-did-it-for-my-country-and-im-proud-of-it-hollywood-heavyweight-reveals-he-once-doubled-as-israeli-spy-arms-dealer/

[Anthony Marsh]

Nonsense. Some things came from lower levels and were rejected before
they could even get to JFK. Like Operation Northwoods. Helms testified
that he did not ask JFK to approve the Castro assassination plots.

> http://belfercenter.hks.harvard.edu/files/burr_and_richelson_winter_00_01.pdf
>
> "You are thinking of the proposal by a Soviet leader in The Kremlin Letter>
>
> This is not me thinking this; this is the authors of the piece I linked
> to. I believe the Kremlin proposal that you mention was a suggestion by
> Moscow during the Soviet/Sino border war after JFK had been assassinated.
> This was in 1969 when Nixon was the president.
>
>

SHOW me.

>

[Anthony Marsh]

No. An NSAM is not an ultimatum. It was not sent to Israel. It was only
for internal consumption. Do you know what NOFORN means?

[gkno...@gmail.com]

And I am here to correct your posts. All you are is a spokesman for the
false conclusions of the HSCA.

[GKnoll]

You didn't show that, not even close.

All you showed was that the US tried to gather intelligence on their
nuclear program but did not nothing to stop it.

Not so with Israel. JFK tried to stop Israels program.

Where did JFK send letters to the Premier of China demanding that the
United States be permitted to inspect their nuclear facilities? I missed
that in your reply.

Here is one of the letters that JFK sent to the Prime Minister of Isreal


Dear Mr. Prime Minister [of Isreal]

...

"I am sure you will agree that these visits should be as nearly as
possible in accord with international standards, thereby resolving all
doubts as to the peaceful intent of the Dimona project. As I wrote to
Mr. Ben-Gurion, this Governments commitment to and support of Israel
could be seriously jeopardized if it should be thought that we were
unable to obtain reliable information on a subject as vital to peace as
the question of Israel's effort in the nuclear field.
Therefore, I asked our scientist to review the alternative schedules
of visits we and you had proposed. If Israel's purposes are to be clear
beyond reasonable doubt, I believe that the schedule which would best
serve our common purposes would be a visit early this summer, another
visit in June 1964, and thereafter at ivervals of six months. I am sure
that such a schedule should not cause you any more difficulty than that
which Mr. Ben-Gurion proposed in his May 27 letter. It would be
essential, and I understand that Mr. Ben-Gurion's letter was in accord
with this, that our scientist have access to all areas of the Dimona
site and to any related part of the complex, sucah as fuel fabrication
facilities or plutonium separation plant, and that sufficient time be
allotted for a thorough examination.
Knowing that you fully appreciate the truly vital significance of
this matter to the future well-being of Israel, to the United States,
and internationally, I am sure our carefully considered request will
have your most sympathetic attention"

Sincerly,

John F. Kennedy

[Anthony Marsh]

So, is that from a rightwinger?

[GKnoll]

I have to raise this again, for the third time, because you completely
ignored it.

This quote also appears in your article. It if from McGeorge Bundy. It
repudiates the allegations made by Gordon Chang, and which you quote and
rely upon...Mr. Bundy downplayed Chang's revelations. Mr. Bundy said
that any discussion about preventive action against China was "simply
talk, not serious planning or real intent". It does not take a political
scientist to deduce that it was "simply talk".

Here is a quote from the article you linked to...

"That Kennedy and his advisers considered using force against China?s
nuclear facilities was first documented publicly by historian Gordon
Chang in 1988.2 In that same year, however, the man who had been
Kennedy?s national security assistant, McGeorge Bundy, downplayed
Chang?s revelations, claiming that White House discussions of preventive
action against China had been simply ?talk, not serious planning or real
intent.?

However, the action the JFK administration took regarding Israel was
not "simply talk". There was "serious planning and real intent" to use
Mr. Bundy's words. And that is the important difference, the difference
between "simply talk" and action, i.e., NSAM 231. National Security
ACTION Memorandum 231. There is no such NSAM for China. If there were
you would have produced it.

[Anthony Marsh]

I know which HSCA conclusions are false and I was correcting them while
you were in diapers.

[Anthony Marsh]

Do you understand that everything is not done by NSAMs?
They are not orders to do some in and of themselves.
The just define the policy that the President had decided on.
Show me the NSAM for the Castro assassination plots.

[gkno...@gmail.com]

You have no idea what HSCA conclusions are false. In fact, you regularly
tout several of their false conclusions as fact.

As I said before, you use your 15 minutes of fame to promote a false
theory of the case. That is why I am here, to keep you from doing that.

[gkno...@gmail.com]

Of course I don't think that everything was done with NSAM's. This is the
kind of nonsense you create when you barge into a conversation.

Do you understand that this particular NSAM was classified as Top Secret?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg

[Anthony Marsh]

Of course. Almost all are. Was it NODIS or NOFORN?

> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/National_Security_Action_Memorandum_Number_231.jpg
>

[Anthony Marsh]

Like what?

> As I said before, you use your 15 minutes of fame to promote a false
> theory of the case. That is why I am here, to keep you from doing that.
>

I've been at this for 40 years.

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
- show quoted text -

Like what?

> As I said before, you use your 15 minutes of fame to promote a false
> theory of the case. That is why I am here, to keep you from doing that.
>

I've been at this for 40 years.

So you've been making up crap for 40 years. How impressive.

[gkno...@gmail.com]

Yes I know you are old.

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, I know you are young. Are you out of diapers yet?

[gkno...@gmail.com]

I could have asked you the same question. How are your diapers holding up?

[OHLeeRedux]

Anthony Marsh
- show quoted text -

Yes, I know you are young. Are you out of diapers yet?

Are you? They make them for adults.

[Anthony Marsh]

Some idiot company sent me the wrong package in the mail and it was a
set of diapers, so I left it in the Community Room in the middle of the
night and it was gone by the morning. Some people here wake up at 6AM. I
have my alarm set for 11:30 AM.

[Anthony Marsh]

They were adult diapers, but I didn't order them. Seems they have 4 or 5
companies all using the same warehouse.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-6, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Whatever he was doing behind the scenes, Ruby became known as a nightclub
> owner and at some point began attending services at Congregation Shearith
> Israel.
>
> Rabbi Hillel Silverman, who was the Dallas synagogue's spiritual leader
> from 1954 to 1964, says Ruby came to say Kaddish for his father.
>
> "He came to minyan one day with a cast on his arm," Silverman recalled. "I
> said, 'Jack, what happened?' He said, 'In my club, somebody was very
> raucous, and I was the bouncer.' "
>
> Silverman, now 89 and still leading High Holy Days services every year,
> remembers Ruby well. Once Ruby showed up at the rabbi's house with a
> litter of puppies and insisted the rabbi take one. When the family went to
> Israel one summer, Ruby looked after the dog.
>
> "The day of the assassination, we had our regular Friday night service,
> which became a memorial service for the president," Silverman said. "Jack
> was there. People were either irate or in tears, and Jack was neither. He
> came over and said, 'Good Shabbos, rabbi. Thank you for visiting my sister
> Eva in the hospital last week.' I thought that was rather peculiar."
>
> Two days later, Silverman spoke to his Sunday morning confirmation class,
> expressing relief to the students that Lee Harvey Oswald was not Jewish or
> there might have been a "pogrom" in Dallas. He then switched on the radio
> and heard that a "Jack Rubenstein" had killed the assassin.
>
> "I was shocked," said Silverman. "I visited him the next day in jail, and
> I said, 'Why, Jack, why?' He said, 'I did it for the American people.'" I
> interrupted Silverman, pointing out that other reports had Ruby saying he
> did it "to show that Jews had guts." The rabbi sighed.
>
> "Yes, he mentioned that," Silverman said. "But I don't like to mention it.
> I think he said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.' But I've tried to wipe
> that statement from my mind."
>
>
> Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish Background
> Steve North November 17, 2013
> http://forward.com/news/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/

Sorry, but to be blunt: This is the one of the more ridiculous threads
this newsgroups has had. Totally worthless.

There is no evidence that Israel or the Mossad or "the Jews" had anything
to do with the assassination of JFK. JFK was against nuclear
proliferation, period. And at the top of his concerns were, obviously the
Soviets but also Mao.

Did he want to prevent Israel from acquiring weapons? Yes, but from my
reading it was because he was fearful of a nuclear arms breakout or global
nuclear race where multiple nations got them not specifically because
Israel had them. He wanted to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle,
period.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 11:56:11 PM UTC-5, stevemg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-6, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:

> > Ruby said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'

> > Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish Background
> > Steve North November 17, 2013
> > http://forward.com/news/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/



> Sorry, but to be blunt: This is the one of the more ridiculous threads
> this newsgroups has had. Totally worthless.
>
> There is no evidence that Israel or the Mossad or "the Jews" had anything
> to do with the assassination of JFK. JFK was against nuclear
> proliferation, period. And at the top of his concerns were, obviously the
> Soviets but also Mao.
>
> Did he want to prevent Israel from acquiring weapons? Yes, but from my
> reading it was because he was fearful of a nuclear arms breakout or global
> nuclear race where multiple nations got them not specifically because
> Israel had them. He wanted to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle,
> period.

Jfk did indeed want to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle, and was
determined to do so. Unfortunately for Jfk, Israel saw nuclear weapons as
a necessity for the young state's survival. Without nuclear weapons,
Israel faced an existential threat, another holocaust.

So to remove that existential threat, the Israeli's removed Jfk, knowing
he would be replaced with a vice president that was sympathetic to the
security concerns of Israel. If you need proof of Johnson's 'loyalty' to
Israel, read about the attack on the USS Liberty.

Johnson covered for the Israeli attack and lied to the American people.
While the murderous attack on Americans occurred on June of 1967, Johnson
was playing host to an Israeli Irgun terrorist named Mathilde Krim, who
rationalized that terror and assassination was justified in an existential
environment.

Incidentally, on the one year anniversary of the start of the six day war,
Jfk's brother Robert was shot at by a Palestinian who felt betrayed by
Robert for sending Israel fighter jets to aid Israel in bombing
Arabshttps://youtu.be/qZpLxcplJuI?t=1159

Read Jack Ruby's rambling letter to his brother, claiming he was trying to
save Israel,
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ruby.htm
and compare his paranoia with that of David Ben Gurion when Gurion said in
a letter addressed to John F Kennedy:

"Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, both in Israel and
wherever they may live, and this existence is in danger."
https://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html

John F Kennedy was murdered in broad daylight in front of hundreds of
witnesses, and 50 years later the murder case is still unsolved. How is
that even possible?

Look to the USS Liberty and recognize there were factions inside this
government and the Israeli government that wanted Kennedy gone. Not all
Jews, and not all Israelis and not all Americans. But there were people
inside those groups that wanted Kennedy gone, and had the means, motive
and opportunity to do so, even continuing the murder and cover-up to stop
Robert Kennedy from reaching the white house where he would eventually, if
he had lived, reopen the Warren Commission archives for reexamination to
determine who had killed his brother John.

The Arab/Israeli connection to the Kennedy assassinations, though blatant
when closely examined, has never been fully investigated. After 50 years,
maybe it's time for the Jfk assassination research community to
courageously turn their attention to the one avenue that has not been
researched.

[GKnoll]

To be blunt, for you to say this is a ridiculous thread is itself
ridiculous.

You have completely ignored the evidence that tells you of the action that
JFK took to stop the Israeli nuclear program.

When you say there is no evidence that Israel or the Mossad had anything
to do with the assassination ignores the obvious fact that Jack Ruby, who
was Jewish, is the man who killed Lee Harvey Oswald.

You also completely ignore Jack Ruby's own words,

Here again are his own words, where he let the cat out of the bag...

RUBY: Everything pertaining to what is happening has never come to the
surface. The world will never know the true facts of what occurred, my
motives, in other words, I am the only person in the background, that
knows the truth pertaining to everything relating to my circumstance.

REPORTER: Do you think it will every come out?

RUBY: No, because, the people had so much to gain, and had such a material
motive, to put me in the position I'm in, will never let the true facts
come above board to the world.

REPORTER: Are these people in very high positions Jack?

RUBY: Yes.

https://youtu.be/5dLupbqmtUU


You also completely ignore the fact that Jack Ruby begged for a lie
detector test, which at best, was inconclusive regarding the question "Did
he help Oswald with the assassination" and at worst, he flat out lied to
the question.

I am not going to go through all the NSAM 231 stuff again. It is well
covered in this thread.

[Anthony Marsh]

That's why you keep the thread going, to make it even MORE ridiculous.
That's what Trolls do!

> There is no evidence that Israel or the Mossad or "the Jews" had anything
> to do with the assassination of JFK. JFK was against nuclear
> proliferation, period. And at the top of his concerns were, obviously the
> Soviets but also Mao.
>

Jeez, I've been attacking that theory before you even knew about this
newsgroup. It always the same Canadian Nazi. He just changes alias every
few months. Like YOU do.
That's what Trolls do!
He doesn't hold the record though. I think the record was 25 aliases.
Ken Rahn listed them all that our resident kook used over the years.

> Did he want to prevent Israel from acquiring weapons? Yes, but from my
> reading it was because he was fearful of a nuclear arms breakout or global
> nuclear race where multiple nations got them not specifically because
> Israel had them. He wanted to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle,
> period.
>

How about security? Very easy for the PLO to steal the Israeli nukes and
use them against an Arab country (not allowed to say which one) and
start a nuclear war in the Middle East.

>
>
>

[OHLeeRedux]

8:47 PMAnthony Marsh

- show quoted text -

That's why you keep the thread going, to make it even MORE ridiculous.
That's what Trolls do!

Now you are keeping it going by adding another one of your useless posts.
That's what Marsh does!

[Anthony Marsh]

There were millions who wanted Kennedy gone. Why focus on only Israel?
Anti-Semitism.

> The Arab/Israeli connection to the Kennedy assassinations, though blatant
> when closely examined, has never been fully investigated. After 50 years,
> maybe it's time for the Jfk assassination research community to
> courageously turn their attention to the one avenue that has not been
> researched.
>

It should NOT be researched. Neither should the aliens. Just leave them
alone and they won't bother you.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

I've posted 15 comments on this with most of them trying to end this
absurd theory.

You've posted more than 30 or twice as many as I have.

I'll let those reading this determine who is keeping it alive.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On September 11, the Israeli security Cabinet decided to "remove" Arafat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_Yasser_Arafat%27s_death#Allegation_of_killing_of_Arafat_by_Israel

> > The Arab/Israeli connection to the Kennedy assassinations, though blatant
> > when closely examined, has never been fully investigated. After 50 years,
> > maybe it's time for the Jfk assassination research community to
> > courageously turn their attention to the one avenue that has not been
> > researched.



> It should NOT be researched. Neither should the aliens. Just leave them
> alone and they won't bother you.

You didn't think that Arafat should be assassinated.

No. I thought it was possible to do business with him.

http://web.archive.org/web/20131010034425/http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/magazine/shimon-peres-on-obama-iran-and-the-path-to-peace.html?ref=magazine&_r=0&pagewanted=all





It is only in the rarest of cases that Israel will hint at its involvement
in an assassination operation. As a rule, the Mossad never acknowledges it
participation. Because of this secrecy, it is likely that more deaths have
been attributed to the intelligence service than it is actually
responsible for.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/tourists-with-a-license-to-kill-a-look-at-the-mossad-s-assassination-squads-a-678805.html




-Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, "hoping that by
taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,"-

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982

[Anthony Marsh]

They don't have to admit it officially. Someone on the inside leaked it.
Did the US publicly announce the Castro assassination plots? I missed
that press conference.

[ruby.slippe...@gmail.com]

On Monday, February 22, 2016 at 8:42:48 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 2/20/2016 11:00 PM, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 10:58:52 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> >> On 2/18/2016 7:12 PM, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 11:56:11 PM UTC-5, stevemg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>>> On Monday, January 25, 2016 at 4:08:59 PM UTC-6, ruby.slippe...@gmail.com wrote:




> >>>>> Ruby said, 'I did it for the Jewish people.'

> >> Why focus on only Israel?
> >> Anti-Semitism.


> > On September 11, the Israeli security Cabinet decided to "remove" Arafat.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cause_of_Yasser_Arafat%27s_death#Allegation_of_killing_of_Arafat_by_Israel
> >
> >
> >
> >>> The Arab/Israeli connection to the Kennedy assassinations, though blatant
> >>> when closely examined, has never been fully investigated. After 50 years,
> >>> maybe it's time for the Jfk assassination research community to
> >>> courageously turn their attention to the one avenue that has not been
> >>> researched.

> > You didn't think that Arafat should be assassinated.
> >
> > No. I thought it was possible to do business with him.
> >
> > http://web.archive.org/web/20131010034425/http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/13/magazine/shimon-peres-on-obama-iran-and-the-path-to-peace.html?ref=magazine&_r=0&pagewanted=all
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > It is only in the rarest of cases that Israel will hint at its involvement
> > in an assassination operation. As a rule, the Mossad never acknowledges it
> > participation. Because of this secrecy, it is likely that more deaths have
> > been attributed to the intelligence service than it is actually
> > responsible for.





> They don't have to admit it officially. Someone on the inside leaked it.
> Did the US publicly announce the Castro assassination plots? I missed
> that press conference.

Did you miss the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin after he was deemed an
existential threat to the Jewish homeland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhMF30VLZCA


RABIN BLASTS JFK
http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/rabin-wife-blasts-jfk-jr-article-1.765204