Dave Powers and Tip O'neil.
Quentin
O'neil that he thought that a shot came from the grassy knoll but
didn't tell the Warren commission this because he was told not to . Is
this true and if it is what are all of your opinions of it.
thanks,
Quentin
tomnln
TRUE......
You can find it in Tip's book "Man of the House"
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AnthonyMarsh
Yes, it is true. It is an indication of how a cover-up works. Yet some
people will come forward and tell the truth many years later.
--
Anthony Marsh
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Dave Reitzes
Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell each denied this story. It appears that
O'Neill was merely repeating a rumor that had first surfaced in the 1970s.
John McAdams posted this item from the CHICAGO TRIBUNE of June 15, 1975:
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Probe of agency raises new questions in slaying of JFK
© 1975 Chicago Tribune
THE WARREN COMMISSION may have been denied crucial information
about the assassination of John F. Kennedy by two aides of the slain
President who were advised by high officials of the Federal Bureau of
Investigation to withhold certain data.
That is the thrust of preliminary information furnished
Congressional leaders by a Central Intelligence Agency [illegible] man
in advance of two Capitol Hill investigations of CIA activity.
According to the material, Presidential aides Kenneth
O'Donnell and David Powers are reported to have told investigators
soon after the Kennedy assassination in Dallas on Nov. 22, 1963, that
they thought they had observed what might have been shots coming from
a location other than the Texas School Book Depository from which Lee
Harvey Oswald is accused of having gunned down the President.
BUT SOMETIME before O'Donnell and Powers submitted their eye
witness accounts to the Warren Commission by deposition and affidavit,
either J. Edgar Hoover, the late FBI Director, or his top aides
prevailed on the men not to disclose their suspicions to the
commission.
If true, the reasons must have been compelling enough to
prompt them to agree to the request, for there is no indication that
either ever publicly espoused such contradictory information.
"The story is an absolute lie," O'Donnell declared in a phone
interview. "I'm not accusing [illegible] whoever gave that story is
lying. It's an absolute, outright lie."
In the data given orally to the congressman, the CIA liaison
officer alleged the FBI warned O'Donnell and Powers that testimony to
that effect could lead to a possible international incident and
inflame public passions fed by other secret information then known by
the FBI.
Federal investigators had determined that Oswald visited
Mexico City eight weeks before the Kennedy assassination, contacting
both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there. They also were aware of
alleged CIA contracts with Chicago Mafia boss Salvatore [Momo]
Giancana and mobster John Rosselli to assassinate Castro in 1961.
If these facts were to have emerged together, they would have
spawned suspicions that the Kennedy killing had been carried out in
retaliation for the reputed plots on Castro's life and that the Soviet
Union might also be dragged into such speculation because of Oswald's
residence there from 1959 until 1962.
For the good of the country and global tranquility, the FBI is
alleged to have told the two aides, it would be better if they made no
mention of their suspicions to the Warren Commission.
Such information, they were told, might cause people to
surmise that Oswald had been part of a band of conspirators instead of
the lone and perhaps demented gunman portrayed eventually in the
Warren report.
IN ITS REPORT, the Warren Commission concluded that three shots had
been fired from a rifle held by Oswald on the sixth floor of the Texas
School Book Depository, two of which had killed Kennedy and wounded
John Connally, then governor of Texas. The third was believed to have
missed.
That agrees with the personal accounts of O'Donnell and Powers
in their book on their years with the late President, entitled
"Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye."
In that account, both men declare they heard only three shots,
two of them close together and a third five seconds later. At the
time-12:30 p.m.-the aides were riding on jump seats in a Secret
Service back-up car directly behind the limousine bearing the
President, his wife, and Gov. and Mrs. Connally.
BOTH RECALLED they were accurately aware of the exact time of
the shooting because Powers checked his watch and determined the
caravan was only five minutes behind schedule as it rounded the plaza
in front of the Book Depository.
There is no mention of their alleged suspicions that some
[illegible] come from somewhere other than the Book Depository. In
fact, there is no speculation on the direction of the firing at all.
"I spent four hours before the commission and my testimony is
quite clear," O'Donnell said in a phone interview. "I told them
exactly what I saw. I was in charge of the whole operation so I know
what happened. I arranged the whole trip.
"I testified under oath and I stand by it."
O'DONNELL recalled he told the Warren Commission he heard two
shots, the first of which he initially thought was a firecracker.
Both came from behind he said.
During their service with the Kennedy administration,
O'Donnell was Presidential appointments secretary and one of Kennedy's
trusted advisors. Power's title was White House receptionist, and he
was valued by Kennedy for his wit and political know-how.
THERE is nothing to indicate why the CIA elected to inform
Congress of the Kennedy assassination allegations since the Warren
Commission suggested no complicity in the death by the agency.
The fact the reputed CIA arrangements with the Mafia to kill
Castro figured in the account may have prompted the disclosure to
Congress.
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What, then, do we make of Tip O'Neill's story? O'Neill biographer John
Aloysius Farrell suggests that O'Neill's imagination may have been a
little overactive.
>From Farrell, TIP O'NEILL AND THE DEMOCRATIC CENTURY (Boston: Little,
Brown and Company, 2001), pp. 680-81:
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Some of the anecdotes [in MAN OF THE HOUSE] . . . were verifiable. Others
came under attack. Columnists Evans and Novak denied his [O'Neill's]
assertion that they offered to trade him good coverage for leaks. Dave
Powers failed to support O'Neill's claim that Powers and Kenny O'Donnell
believed there was a second gunman involved in the JFK assassination.
"Tip is a great storyteller, as are many politicians," Novak
diplomatically told the press. "They tell these stories over and over
again. The rough edges get planed off and the story gets a little more
dramatic and they get further and further from reality."
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Dave
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Martin Shackelford
talked about it in his book Man of the House.
Martin
John McAdams
It's a rather suspect story, in spite of being in Tip's (ghost written)
autobiography.
It broke in Washington in 1975, when a supposed "CIA liaison" man gave
it to "Congressional leaders." I frankly don't know who this is, but it
sounds like Fletcher Prouty.
O'Donnell said "The story is an absolute lie." This to THE CHICAGO
TRIBUNE, June 15, 1975.
Neither Powers nor O'Donnell mentioned any such thing in JOHNNY, WE
HARDLY KNEW YE.
.John
Mike Bull
"Martin Shackelford" <msh...@concentric.net> wrote in message
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> Both Dave Powers and Kenny O'Donnell told O'Neill this, and O'Neill
> talked about it in his book Man of the House.
>
He also repeated this in a filmed interview for, I think, BEYOND JFK,
the documentary tape which comes with Stone's director's cut of JFK.
Mike :-)
Mr. Magoo
Of course they are going to deny it. Once they changed their stories,
they're not going to spill the beans later. To continuously repeat
that they say it isn't true doesn't advance the ball.
Magoo
John McAdams
Great post, Dave.
I didn't know about the Farrell book. I did, of course, know that
Irishmen are famous for telling stories! :-)
I do wonder, however, whether Tip's ghostwriter perhaps picked this up
and simply put it in -- with Tip simply not bothering to go over the
manuscript with any care.
.John
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
John McAdams
Your argument is logical enough, but it still leaves the hearsay
account uncorroborated. Indeed, vigorously denied by the men in
question.
tomnln
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tomnln
The Irish politicians in Boston were Quite Close.
Exactly WHERE do you get the information that Tip's "Ghost Writer" was
responsible for the story??
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charles wallace
Reading the post I got the impression that both of the Kennedy aides said
the same thing since they were both next to each other during the
assassination. But I looked at Powers' statement and he said there were
two more shots after Kennedy moved to his left. A non-LN statement. He
also said that he had a fleeting thought that there was a shot sound from
the front. Another non-LN statement. He also thought that they were
riding into an ambush which normally means more than one shooter. A most
definite non-LN statement. Just thought I would keep the discussion on
the up and up.
Regards, Charles
Reasonable doubt in the murder of JFK
http://community-2.webtv.net/ccwallace/Reasonabledoubtin/
John McAdams
wrote:
>Dave, John,
>
>Reading the post I got the impression that both of the Kennedy aides said
>the same thing since they were both next to each other during the
>assassination. But I looked at Powers' statement and he said there were
>two more shots after Kennedy moved to his left. A non-LN statement. He
>also said that he had a fleeting thought that there was a shot sound from
>the front. Another non-LN statement. He also thought that they were
>riding into an ambush which normally means more than one shooter. A most
>definite non-LN statement. Just thought I would keep the discussion on
>the up and up.
>
You have pointed to his WC testimony. As for when Kennedy moved to
the left, trying to attach importance to stuff like that is reading
tea leaves.
As for "riding into an ambush:" you point to "non-LN" statements in
his WC testimony.
That argues *against* his having been told by the FBI to avoid
anything about a GK shooter.
.John
John McAdams
>Isn't YOUR claim of Powers' Denial also "Uncorroborated"???
>
See Dave Reitzes' post. He cites a book that reports that Powers
disputed that.
>The Irish politicians in Boston were Quite Close.
>
>Exactly WHERE do you get the information that Tip's "Ghost Writer" was
>responsible for the story??
>
I can't be sure whether it was the ghost writer. I said it was "in
Tip's (ghost written) autobiography."
But ghost writers put stuff in all the time.
tomnln
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tomnln
WOW...Somebody wrote a book "Disputing" a book.
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John McAdams
>Was the Warren Report "Ghost Written" Also???
>
No, written by staff.
.John
John McAdams
>"I Rest My Case".
>
>WOW...Somebody wrote a book "Disputing" a book.
>
>
The simple fact is that some of Tip's stories didn't stand up to
checking.
.John
tomnln
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AnthonyMarsh
That's a great way to discount anything which hints at conspiracy. Why
don't you use the same trick to discredit LN books?
> .John
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> http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
Mike Bull
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And as O'Neill has also made these remarks in a filmed interview...
Mike :-)