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[BOZ]

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF

[Ace Kefford]

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:55:31 PM UTC-5, BOZ wrote:
> http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF

Fascinating.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:55:31 PM UTC-5, BOZ wrote:
> http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF

Terrific piece. I think I had read it before but it's good to go over
again.

The evidence - for me - is persuasive that internally among the CIA and
FBI and government in general that there was panic and confusion. No one
knew what was happening.

For those who think the CIA and FBI and others conspired to kill JFK then
how do you explain all of this? It was all an act? Another conspiracy,
another layer in the plan, another group of actors? Angleton and Hoover
and others under them wee all engaged in a giant conspiracy Kabuki dance?
Pretending to investigate what happened? Is that is?

When does it end?

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/5/2017 9:31 PM, stevemg...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 17, 2016 at 10:55:31 PM UTC-5, BOZ wrote:
>> http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF
>
> Terrific piece. I think I had read it before but it's good to go over
> again.
>
> The evidence - for me - is persuasive that internally among the CIA and
> FBI and government in general that there was panic and confusion. No one
> knew what was happening.
>
> For those who think the CIA and FBI and others conspired to kill JFK then
> how do you explain all of this? It was all an act? Another conspiracy,

I'm not in that camp. but I'll explain it for you. Between agencies and
within agencies there are different factions. Maybe the best known was the
split betwwen Helms and Colby. Sometimes the factions do not share
information. Sometimes they work against each other. The idea could be
that the Helms faction was behind the assassination and the Colby faction
found out and covered it up to protect the Agency.

> another layer in the plan, another group of actors? Angleton and Hoover
> and others under them wee all engaged in a giant conspiracy Kabuki dance?
> Pretending to investigate what happened? Is that is?
>

Well, most of those were investigating the rumors that Oswald was working
for Castro. Some of them actually believed it. They were not smart enough
to see that it was a hoax. That is what caused the cover-up, to prevent
WWIII.

> When does it end?
>


4,000 years.

[BOZ]

You have to have proof. You have speculation. Wild speculation.

[stevemg...@yahoo.com]

Of course he's making our argument (or one of them) about the
implausibility of a conspiracy that would involve such a mix of agencies
and people inside the government.

That is there are too many different factions, too much inter agency
rivalry, too many groups, too many people that need to go along - actively
or passively - with the act in order for this, in effect, coup to succeed.

Not only would they have to go along - keep quiet, carry out the plan,
cover things up, remain quiet afterward - but the other factions and
groups and agencies and people would have to be ignorant of what's
happening. None of them would discover the plot.

Given human nature and the way we and bureaucracies behave, that is simply
not possible.

[OHLeeRedux]

That's the way Anthony rolls.

[Anthony Marsh]

Many people have admitted that there was a cover-up.
Why keep refusing to release the files unless there is something to
cover up?

[Anthony Marsh]

Because he knows absolutely nothing about intelligence operations.

> That is there are too many different factions, too much inter agency
> rivalry, too many groups, too many people that need to go along - actively
> or passively - with the act in order for this, in effect, coup to succeed.
>

Sometimes, not always.

> Not only would they have to go along - keep quiet, carry out the plan,
> cover things up, remain quiet afterward - but the other factions and
> groups and agencies and people would have to be ignorant of what's
> happening. None of them would discover the plot.
>

Yeah, a lot of people are ignorant. So what?

> Given human nature and the way we and bureaucracies behave, that is simply
> not possible.
>

That's what you said about Watergate. And MK/ULTRA. And COINTELPRO.
Any who thinks the government does anything bad must be paranoid.

[mainframetech]

There wasn't any large crew plotting to kill JFK. And there was no
involvement of the CIA, FBI or Secret Service. There were a few
individuals from those groups that got together to do the deed. My guess
is about 20 on the front side, and 30 on the back side to carry it out.
But there were also people that helped without knowing of the plot, and
they were just doing their jobs as directed.

Chris

[Mark OBLAZNEY]

On Sunday, December 18, 2016 at 4:55:31 AM UTC+1, BOZ wrote:
> http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF

"for indications that the Soviet Union was trying to take advantage of the
disarray in Washington"______Robarge