Is it possible that the 6.5mm carcano round caused the damage seen in
Maggsy
blocks. Shot with various caliber bullets the results were not consistent
with the damage caused to JFK's skull. The full metal- jacketed bullets
punched straight, relatively narrow channels. The M-16 round,however,
tumbled, disintegrated, and gouged a huge, gaping portion from the
gelatin.
Anthony Marsh
I don't see any relevance to the JFK assassination.
claviger
Total disintegration of a 6.5 Carcano FMJ was rare due to the thick copper
jacket that protected the lead core. Sometimes that jacket would split
when hitting hard bone, but usually crumbled into a few large fragments.
The pulverized "lead snowstorm" effect was very rare for a Carcano bullet.
By contrast the 5.56 AR-15 FMJ is notorious for shattering against bone
with such frequency there is an effort today to have this bullet
classified as a frangible projectile and banned according international
law. As you point out above the tendency for this projectile to tumble and
disintegrate would cause massive damage to a human skull, just like the
head wound on the President.
Coondog
I believe it calls into question just what caliber was that umbrella?
Bill Clarke
Anthony Marsh
The AR-15 shot is physically impossible.
Maggsy
Why not?
claviger
Because he has never read the book.
Anthony Marsh
Who never read Mortal Error? I have three copies of Moral Error and have
read it and criticized it and praised it.
So, what point were you trying to make?
Anthony Marsh
Because it's apples and oranges. You are comparing soft flesh shots to
the head shot.
claviger
Oh, so you have read the book. Then you know that central to the whole
theory is a flat trajectory of the BOH wound that Donahue deduced
could only come from a lower window in the County Records Bldg.
However, there were no windows in that building open during the
motorcade, and the flat trajectory would also go through the SS agent
sitting up higher on the back seat. This trajectory would clear the
windshield or it wouldn't be considered in the first place. At the
time Donahue didn't know that same agent handled the AR-15 during the
shooting incident. After he found out he was now forced to consider
the possibility of an accidental firing of that weapon. Continuing
research also pointed to the AR-15 as the source of the head wound.
Anthony Marsh
> On Nov 21, 10:39 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> On 11/21/2009 10:35 AM, claviger wrote:
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>>> On Nov 20, 10:50 pm, Maggsy<davidmaggs2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 20, 8:04 pm, Anthony Marsh<anthony_ma...@comcast.net> wrote:
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>>>>> On 11/19/2009 8:22 PM, Maggsy wrote:
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>>>>>> According to the book Mortal Error when tests where done using gelatin
>>>>>> blocks. Shot with various caliber bullets the results were not consistent
>>>>>> with the damage caused to JFK's skull. The full metal- jacketed bullets
>>>>>> punched straight, relatively narrow channels. The M-16 round,however,
>>>>>> tumbled, disintegrated, and gouged a huge, gaping portion from the
>>>>>> gelatin.
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>>>>> I don't see any relevance to the JFK assassination.
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>>>> Why not?
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>>> Because he has never read the book.
>>
>> Who never read Mortal Error? I have three copies of Moral Error and have
>> read it and criticized it and praised it.
>> So, what point were you trying to make?
>
> Oh, so you have read the book. Then you know that central to the whole
> theory is a flat trajectory of the BOH wound that Donahue deduced
> could only come from a lower window in the County Records Bldg.
Of course I know he is wrong. First, he accepts a wound in the back of the
head. I do not. Second, he assumes a straight line trajectory, which is
naive.
> However, there were no windows in that building open during the
> motorcade, and the flat trajectory would also go through the SS agent
> sitting up higher on the back seat. This trajectory would clear the
IFF the bullet stayed intact and remained on a straight line trajectory.
> windshield or it wouldn't be considered in the first place. At the
> time Donahue didn't know that same agent handled the AR-15 during the
> shooting incident. After he found out he was now forced to consider
> the possibility of an accidental firing of that weapon. Continuing
> research also pointed to the AR-15 as the source of the head wound.
>
>
False. That agent was not standing up at the time of the head shot, so
neither would a bullet NEED to go through him nor could his AR-15 shoot
over the windshield.
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bigdog
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The theory of the accidental headshot from Hickey's AR-15 has to rank
among the top three silliest theories of the JFK assassination. Number
one is David Lifton's Best Evidence and number two is Greer-shot-JFK.
claviger
> The theory of the accidental headshot from Hickey's AR-15 has to rank
> among the top three silliest theories of the JFK assassination. Number
> one is David Lifton's Best Evidence and number two is Greer-shot-JFK.
Have you read the book Mortal Error?
bigdog
No, and I never will. It's premise is almost as ludicrous as Lifton's.
It isn't worth the waste of my time nor my money.
Anthony Marsh
It's worth buying the book just for the excellent photos and diagrams.
Forget the text.
claviger
Anthony makes a good point. Even if you don't accept the conclusion you
will learn a lot about the ballistic aspects of the case, plus some very
interesting anecdotal stories. The illustrations are excellent.
Herbert Blenner
I have not read Mortal Error and wonder if the author corrected a common
and highly significant misconception that velocity is just another name
for speed. In particular the velocity contains three measures that specify
speed and direction.
Herbert