Britannica on startle reactions

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Robert Harris

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Dec 5, 2009, 11:56:24 PM12/5/09
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Looking through various analyses of startle reactions by reliable
researchers, one word appears over and over and over again. That word is,
INVOLUNTARY.

If Oswald had fired the shots prior to frame 285, the limo passengers
would have reacted dramatically and visibly. They would not have been able
to prevent those reactions if they tried.

We can easily see that happened following frame 285 and 312.

(emphasis is mine) "An extremely rapid psychophysiological response of an
organism to a sudden and unexpected stimulus such as a loud sound or a
blinding flash of light. In human beings it is characterized by
*INVOLUNTARY* bending of the limbs and a spasmodic avoidance movement of
the head. Musculature returns to normal in less than one second, although
elevations in heart rate, respiration, and skin conductance persist
slightly longer. The startle pattern occurs in all normal humans and all
mammals when tested in a relatively uniform manner. The pattern is
resistant to extinction or modification by learning, although its
intensity may be reduced by repetition or anticipation. The response seems
to be an instinctive mechanism for self-defense and, in humans, is
probably the initiating element of more general emotional reactions, both
motor expressions and conscious experiences. The startle reaction?known as
the Moro, or Moro embrace, reflex in children?is particularly conspicuous
in infants up to three or four months old."

To learn more about this, look at my video on the subject:

http://www.jfkhistory.com/Nellie2/Nellie2.mov

or this much longer and more detailed analysis of the shooting, from start
to finish:

http://www.jfkhistory.com/ALL/ALL.mov


Robert Harris

David Von Pein

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Dec 6, 2009, 10:31:03 AM12/6/09
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Bob Harris,

In the James Altgens photo, why have the two SS agents turned around
to stare directly at the TSBD if (as you claim) they HAVEN'T YET HEARD
ANY GUNSHOTS COMING FROM THE TSBD AREA?:

http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/033a.+ALTGENS+PHOTO+%28EXTRA+LARGE+VERSION%29?gda=GVhSsF8AAADQI8aFoPPpMPozfQ5vu_qQNpwDKO-88nLaV2d1Zoct7Z1K-owUkrbjYfon4eO-wcqAY7K8nIlRV0ozD0jSkdOWZgCWaKSotOvb-lnZ1KVxZZxzIUqf6s0oL53Wkz8h1XQ

Robert Harris

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Dec 6, 2009, 3:15:43 PM12/6/09
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In article
<547c2195-d1e4-4340...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,

David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:

> Bob Harris,
>
> In the James Altgens photo, why have the two SS agents turned around
> to stare directly at the TSBD if (as you claim) they HAVEN'T YET HEARD
> ANY GUNSHOTS COMING FROM THE TSBD AREA?:


The two agents looked to the rear because they heard a noise then, which
we know, was a gunshot. I already told you that a dozen times.

Your claim that I said they never heard a gunshot then, is false. It
gets a little tiresome having to unravel your misrepresentations in
almost very post.

I said they heard nothing that they recognized as a gunshot.

Obviously, they wouldn't have just stood there if they had.


Robert Harris


>
> http://reclaiming-history.googlegroups.com/web/033a.+ALTGENS+PHOTO+%28EXTRA+LA
> RGE+VERSION%29?gda=GVhSsF8AAADQI8aFoPPpMPozfQ5vu_qQNpwDKO-88nLaV2d1Zoct7Z1K-ow
> UkrbjYfon4eO-wcqAY7K8nIlRV0ozD0jSkdOWZgCWaKSotOvb-lnZ1KVxZZxzIUqf6s0oL53Wkz8h1
> XQ

David Von Pein

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Dec 6, 2009, 6:27:26 PM12/6/09
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Bob H.,

Didn't you say in your video that the first THREE gunshots were all
silenced ones from the Dal-Tex?

And you definitely stated that your make-believe "Z285" shot was the
ONLY shot from Oswald's gun and LHO's SN window.

Or did I miss one of your made-up non-silenced gunshots somewhere
along the way that occurred prior to the Altgens pic, Bob?


Anthony Marsh

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Dec 6, 2009, 7:50:17 PM12/6/09
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On 12/6/2009 3:15 PM, Robert Harris wrote:
> In article
> <547c2195-d1e4-4340...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
> David Von Pein<davev...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Harris,
>>
>> In the James Altgens photo, why have the two SS agents turned around
>> to stare directly at the TSBD if (as you claim) they HAVEN'T YET HEARD
>> ANY GUNSHOTS COMING FROM THE TSBD AREA?:
>
>
> The two agents looked to the rear because they heard a noise then, which
> we know, was a gunshot. I already told you that a dozen times.
>
> Your claim that I said they never heard a gunshot then, is false. It
> gets a little tiresome having to unravel your misrepresentations in
> almost very post.
>
> I said they heard nothing that they recognized as a gunshot.
>

So you think they heard shots from a silencer over all the noise of the
motorcade? Guess the CIA better buy some better silencers.

Robert Harris

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Dec 6, 2009, 11:59:14 PM12/6/09
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David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:

Watch the video, David. Watch ALL of it. I explain all the shots in
great detail, and even provide an animation of the limo's position at
each shot.

http://www.jfkhistory.com/ALL/ALL.mov

Robert Harris

cdddraftsman

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Dec 7, 2009, 1:08:18 PM12/7/09
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I agree DVP . Question : Have they invented a silencer for posters who
are not any more believable the 70th time around than they were the
first ?

Just curious thats all just curious .

tl

cdddraftsman

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Dec 7, 2009, 3:21:03 PM12/7/09
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You should try and put two of those words together (reliable
researchers and JFK Assassination) more often .

tl

cdddraftsman

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Dec 7, 2009, 3:21:18 PM12/7/09
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On Dec 6, 8:59 pm, Robert Harris <reharr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article
> <f5911c5e-c43e-47b5-9739-05ace22e0...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,

>  David Von Pein <davevonp...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Bob H.,
>
> > Didn't you say in your video that the first THREE gunshots were all
> > silenced ones from the Dal-Tex?
>
> > And you definitely stated that your make-believe "Z285" shot was the
> > ONLY shot from Oswald's gun and LHO's SN window.
>
> > Or did I miss one of your made-up non-silenced gunshots somewhere
> > along the way that occurred prior to the Altgens pic, Bob?
>
> Watch the video, David. Watch ALL of it. I explain all the shots in
> great detail, and even provide an animation of the limo's position at
> each shot. http://www.jfkhistory.com/ALL/ALL.mov Robert Harris
>
>

Whats the use in explaining "in great detail" what you don't
understand and have no background in understanding what you're
seeing ? In frames that are blurred induced caused by a hand held
camera ?

IOW's you'll give us your opinion "in great detail" , a opinion that
no one agree's with ?

Sounds more like transgressing rather than progress .

tl

Robert Harris

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Dec 7, 2009, 10:15:02 PM12/7/09
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In article
<f5911c5e-c43e-47b5...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com>,

David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote:

> Bob H.,
>
> Didn't you say in your video that the first THREE gunshots were all
> silenced ones from the Dal-Tex?

No, I did not.


>
> And you definitely stated that your make-believe "Z285" shot was the
> ONLY shot from Oswald's gun and LHO's SN window.

No, I did not.

>
> Or did I miss one of your made-up non-silenced gunshots somewhere
> along the way that occurred prior to the Altgens pic, Bob?

You "missed" everything, as usual. But you already knew that, didn't you
David?

Interested lurkers can get the truth here,

http://www.jfkhistory.com/ALL/ALL.mov

Robert Harris

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