JFK: Three Shots That Changed America

[slats]

Stumbled upon this very fine documentary on Usenet the other day. Tons of
pre- and post-assassination footage that wasn't widely circulated. Not
sure if DVP already hosts this on his excellent website. Two parts, which
I uploaded to Megaupload. Enjoy.


Part1:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1VDPLC9X

Part 2:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UX0G34F3

[bigdog]

Good find. I think this was originally broadcast on THC. I fell asleep
during its first airing and missed it every time they aired it since.

[Island]

If one were to start with this savage event and the pre-trial execution of
Lee Oswald and work back in time towards another pre- trial execution
(Bonnie & Clyde) one will learn the hand of J. Edgar Hoover is in the mix.

In the B&C case, FBI files reveal Hoover's agents had tapped Clyde
Barrow's family phone & had instructed them to work with Texas Ranger
Frank Hamer in his efforts to track down and kill the duo. The kill was
authorized by Texas prisons director Lee Simmons (with belessing from the
then Texas Governor). Hamer was told he could keep whatever B&C
possessions he wanted (including the stolen weapons), he'd get a share of
the pledged B&C reward money plus roughly 150 bucks a month for the kill.
Simmons clearly expressed his desire for a kill, not an arrest.

Evidently, Hoover had no problems with pre-trial executions, justifying
such by-passing of the Courts because the fugitives were "public enemies".
A multitude of people have problems with this: why is it legal for a
prison director to order a murder and not a mafia boss? This gets even
murkier when one delves into the deal stuck to lighten the sentence of
Henry Methvin for murdering 2 law officers in Grapevine, Texas. How can
elements of the law forgive murder?

JFK's assassination & aftermath reeks of Hovver.

[slats]

bigdog <jecorb...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4f95e9ee-b0d7-4811...@c4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:

There's a great moment in Part One when two men are interviewed on the
streets of NYC that bleak afternoon. The first is sure that it was a white
Southern racist who killed Kennedy, while the second guy not only
disagrees, but speculates that it might have been a Communist. How right
he was.

[Anthony Marsh]

Thanks. I do have one question which you or someone else might know about.
In the opening sequence it shows a truck which appears to be either a
radio or TV truck. WHEN was that footage shot? Hours later, days later,
years later? Those two domes on top of the truck do not appear to be
satellite dishes, but more likely microwave dishes like a relay tower.
Were they local or brought in by a national network? Which one?

[jas]

I recorded this on DVD off THC a couple years ago. It is well made
with its use of just raw footage and minimal background music. I just
watched part 1 last week again and it was as moving as the first time
I saw it.

[slats]

Anthony Marsh <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:4ec5...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu:

I think I see some floral arrangements on the Knoll/pergola, which leads
me to believe Saturday or Sunday. Can't ID the trucks.

[Anthony Marsh]

Thanks. That's exactly what I am talking about. But there is also some
police tape up. I thought immediately after the assassination they
called the fire department to bring rope to rope off the crime scene.
Not in this case, but in general if someone claims that the footage was
from that day and I see a 1980s police car I am a little suspicious.

[bigdog]

On Nov 17, 6:18 pm, slats <o...@yahoo.com> wrote:

In another of the JFK documentaries, a woman in New York said it was
the CIA. Lots of people leaped to their own conclusion as to who did
it before they learned the most rudimentary facts. With so many people
firing blindly, it's not surprising one of them hit the target.

[David Von Pein]

Thank you, slats, for the upload links.

I've had "JFK: 3 Shots That Changed America" on DVD for nearly two
years now, but I've also wanted a digital copy for my computer too.
And now slats has provided a very good copy. I appreciate it greatly.
A most welcome addition to my JFK video library. It's an excellent "as
it happened" type of program.

http://JFK-Archives.blogspot.com/2011/11/jfk-3-shots-that-changed-america.html

http://DVP-Potpourri.blogspot.com/2011/11/jfk-3-shots-that-changed-america.html

http://YouTube.com/playlist?list=PLE9B3805DF5552524

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http://JFK-Assassination-As-It-Happened.blogspot.com

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[Pamela Brown]

On Nov 17, 5:18 pm, slats <o...@yahoo.com> wrote:

LHO was a Marxist-Leninist.

[slats]

David Von Pein <davev...@aol.com> wrote in
news:18afbb42-638c-4ea4...@l24g2000yqm.googlegroups.com:

You're welcome. Unfortunately, Part 2 is not a DVD rip but rather a
recording from a TV network, hence the watermark in the lower right portion
of the screen.

[slats]

Pamela Brown <pamel...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:292b979a-df62-4159...@p1g2000yqh.googlegroups.com:

> On Nov 17, 5:18 pm, slats <o...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> bigdog <jecorbett1...@yahoo.com> wrote

>> innews:4f95e9ee-b0d7-4811-beec-b69
> 8970...@c4g2000vbh.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> > On Nov 16, 10:31?pm, slats <o...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Stumbled upon this very fine documentary on Usenet the other day.
>> >> Tons of pre- and post-assassination footage that wasn't widely
>> >> circulated. Not sure if DVP already hosts this on his excellent
>> >> website. Two parts, which I uploaded to Megaupload. Enjoy.
>>
>> >> Part1:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=1VDPLC9X
>>
>> >> Part 2:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=UX0G34F3
>>
>> > Good find. I think this was originally broadcast on THC. I fell
>> > asleep during its first airing and missed it every time they aired
>> > it since.
>>
>> There's a great moment in Part One when two men are interviewed on
>> the streets of NYC that bleak afternoon. The first is sure that it
>> was a whit
> e
>> Southern racist who killed Kennedy, while the second guy not only
>> disagrees, but speculates that it might have been a Communist. How
>> right he was.
>
> LHO was a Marxist-Leninist.

potato, po-TAH-to

At least you're willing to concede that he's a leftist of some sort and
not a CIA ringer.

[slats]

Anthony Marsh <anthon...@comcast.net> wrote in
news:4ec5...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu:

Okay, we now know that the intro footage was lifted from the Secret Service
re-enactment in December 1963.

Go to 5:23 of this vid:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrkOp-y2do0

[Anthony Marsh]

Can you make a screen capture showing the truck at the corner in the
opening scene? Gary Mack says he doesn't have it and may be able to
identify if it is a local radio or TV truck or national network.

[Anthony Marsh]

So did LBJ who immediately assumed it was a Russian attack.

[timstter]

LHO was a Marxist, wasn't he?

I never could work out why Oliver Stone claimed in his movie that
Oswald had said he was a Marxist-Leninist.

A Marxist in 1963 was pretty much a Commie, no?

Regards,

Tim Brennan
Sydney, Australia
*Newsgroup(s) Commentator*

[timstter]

On Nov 19, 6:56 am, slats <o...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Anthony Marsh <anthony.ma...@comcast.net> wrote innews:4ec5...@mcadams.posc.mu.edu:

Thanks. I never knew that. This is an excellent documentary that didn't
air in Australia until about a year ago.

The first part has a lot of rarely seen footage including greta covergae
of JFK in Fort Worth.

The second part is very good for its chronological presentation of
post-assassination events, like Garrison, first TV airing of the Zapruder
film, HSCA sittings etc.

[Anthony Marsh]

No, there are many varieties and Oswald was trying to correct the record
and explain the differences.

[Anthony Marsh]

Thanks. I wonder if that truck or trailer could be from KRLD-TV and part
of their filming the SS reenactment. The documentary was after 1964
because he keeps making references to the Commission conclusions. I just
wonder why they never showed it. Who produced it and then decided not to
show it?
It was the CBS affiliate. Do you think this was going to be part of a
CBS documentary on the Warren Commission?

[David Von Pein]

>>> "Can you make a screen capture showing the truck at the corner in the opening scene?" <<<

Yes, but I doubt it will help you very much, because the camera is
constantly in motion, thereby making everything a little blurry at all
times. The best images I could capture of the "satellite" truck are
below:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bBZIo1PvyRU/TsdD1qn5SuI/AAAAAAAAkas/ltNSS3vrBOg/s1600/JFK-Film-1.png

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-DZzxB_dkKLA/TsdD1yF_-rI/AAAAAAAAka0/Owqmzw6fRfw/s1600/JFK-Film-2.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-N7YbVwZkJf8/TsdD18T42GI/AAAAAAAAkbA/v-KsIv7e0Mc/s1600/JFK-Film-3.png



A more complete version of the '63 Secret Service footage showing the
truck is below. This footage starts sooner than the footage shown in
"3 Shots That Changed America":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1TfcW21Vxo


Here's a screen capture taken directly from the SS film (it's not as
dark as the History Channel footage):

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-IJgkm8Z0rQw/TsdGVJs9ibI/AAAAAAAAkbQ/rfuB3sDwTZs/s1600/JFK-Film-4.png

[Anthony Marsh]

I can see the lettering. but I can't read the words.
I don't have it, but there may be a graphics program which can deblur
the letters.

[David Von Pein]

>>> "I can see the lettering. but I can't read the words. I don't have it,
but there may be a graphics program which can deblur the letters. " <<<

Why do you even care, Tony?

[Anthony Marsh]

Clues. It might tell us who was collaborating in this project and if
they originally intended to produce a TV special using this footage.
I suspect CBS.

[David Von Pein]

>>> "It might tell us who was collaborating in this project and if they
originally intended to produce a TV special using this footage. I suspect
CBS." <<<

Could be, since the '63 Secret Service footage IS part of the 1964 CBS-TV
special "Nov. 22nd And The Warren Report" (aired on 9/27/64). The opening
of the program includes some of the Secret Service footage:

http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/05/1964-cbs-special-warren-report.html

[Anthony Marsh]

How about a non-conspiracy theory that the 1964 CBS special was
originally going to include the Zapruder film but they had to edit it
out to make room for commercials? Yeah, that's it.