The man who may have solved the JFK murder case, and doesn't even

[Piotr Mancini]

Meet Demetri Terzopoulos and his groundbreaking research:

http://web.cs.ucla.edu/~dt/
https://goo.gl/rdL5FA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97UivL5PuEs

For years, I had been Googling, reading about that vague research
category, with a big obstacle (who among us has not experienced that
frustrating limitation?): I could not put into words exactly what I needed
to find.

I had the idea that the sudden back snap could be meticulously
characterized, numerically, in order to determine the big question. The
only argument left for the WCR types -random neuromuscular reactions-
after the absurd Jet Effect has been swept under the rug: its previous
supporters are now ashamed of it.

Was Kennedy's body pushed or pulled?

I even wrote to a few research centers, I recall one in France, found it
in YouTube. They use Open Source software to perform Finite Element
Analysis which I figured was the way to. I was wrong. Close but no cigar.

One morning, after having my dose of caffeine, I typed some query and
yelled:

"Eureka! This is it! They have finally solved the problem that I need!"

Reading more, and finding a second paper by the same team "We started with
the mechanics of the head/neck and later added the torso" I shouted again:

"You may stop your research right now, since what you have is exactly
what I need!".

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22877-this-is-how-the-frontal-shooter-or-lack-thereof-will-be-determined-in-an-incontrovertible-accurate-and-scientific-way/

[To be continued]

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[bigdog]

Jet effect is real and is repeatable experimentally. It probably was not
the primary cause of JFK's rearward lurch but it does expose the myth that
the rearward movement was the result of a frontal shot.

[Jason Burke]

The case was solved within 24 hours.

Deal with it.

[Piotr Mancini]

Okay, let's continue, then. From my little (admittedly, selfish)
corner/narrow point of view, after science has delivered exactly the tools
that I/we need, the discovery that I was praying for, I should be
celebrating, dancing on my desk, correct?

Well, not exactly. There's a rub.

I have contacted:

(a) Through the two people who offered help the JFK Numbers cause -the
Wechts- Oliver Stone.

(b) On my own, Richard Stallman, father of Free Open Source Software.

I have asked them to use their moral authority (bragging rights?), to try
to persuade Demetri Terzopoulos, the author of that research, a star in
the computer circles AND Hollywood to adapt his creation to analyze
whether the JFK movements was:

(1) Initiated from his own body/muscles.

(2) Initiated from an outside force

Yes, Tony, that is simplified. What is needed is to precisely characterize
the acting forces and their effects, through detailed simulations. This
discovery converts simulated physical forces into *movies*. We need the
opposite, to derive the forces from a *movie*. Can you say Z-film? (plus
photos, etc).

Here's an obvious potential problem:

http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Terzopoulos-Sponsors.png

Did you notice those acronyms? There may be a conflict of interests. Is it
insurmountable?

The only way to know whether doctor Terzopoulos has any reservations is by
approaching him. I haven't dared: too many scientists have ran away at the
mention of the word "Kennedy". This is the type of big game target that is
best approached by a peer (hence, Richard Stallman) or person well known
in his milieu (hence, Ollie Stone).

There's another possibility. Notice that the seminal research was
coauthored by 3 investigators, in the following order:

Sung-Hee Lee, Eftychios Sifakis and Demetri Terzopoulos

I tracked down Lee, has been very active publishing, doing related
research (even into hair). See this German journal:

https://dblp.uni-trier.de/pers/hd/l/Lee:Sung=Hee

Perhaps he is the one that the JFK Community should approach?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Travis Banger]

Jason:


It is my intention to show *scientifically*, in a incontrovertible way the
results from the numerical solutions, to some 320 million people (in one
country alone). A large percentage (those who believe in education,
science, logic and the power of numbers) should be persuaded once and for
all, of whatever side the results indicate: LN? CT?

You suggests that I (actually, my Pope and the other doctors, etc.) go to
the media:

[Cyril Wecht:] "The case was solved within 24 hours, it was LHO alone, 3
shots"

[Media, in a frenzy:] "Was that the result of your carefully planned,
multi-year investigations, with scheduled deliveries, carefully timed
disclosures, agreed upon with the Kennedys, involving research centers and
universities?"

[Cyril Wecht:} "Nah, that's too much work. A guy by the name 'Jason' with
substandard education, Trump supporter, said so in Usenet".

Look, I will take your proposal under advisement, and we'll get back to
you, okay?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Piotr Mancini]

Subject: The man who may have solved the JFK murder case, and doesn't even
know it yet ...

On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 6:01:10 PM UTC-5, Piotr Mancini wrote:

They say "there's beauty in numbers" and the Terzopoulos problem is a
perfect exponent. Consider the two shots. If you are looking for a
solution that is devastating, an out-of-the-park grand slam, a knockout
which leaves no room for doubt: in which shot would you rather work? The
answer is trivially easy.

Assume you are far, far away and can barely see the 2 lines. You are given
the choice of problems. Which problem would you prefer to solve: one in
which the difference is a narrow angle? Or the other in which the
difference is almost 180 degrees (as wide as it can possibly get)?

http://www.jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Which-Problem-is-Easier-to-Solve.png

I keep on telling people about the back snap: The theory that claims that
it was Marilyn, trying to kill Jackie, from a flying saucer (obviously
piloted by Elvis) we can dismiss: it was either the front or the back. My
contention is that there is no mathematical model or actual empirical
experience that supports a shot from the back (subject to scientific
corroboration, of course). The same cannot be said about the SBT/MBT
problem: At the end, it may turn out to be undecidable. It is our
obligation to be prepared for that eventuality.

We engineers use the term "signal to noise ratio" or SNR. The fatal shot
provides a much higher value. You get more bang (intended) for your buck.
The reason the Zapruder film was sequestered was not the first shot: In
the fatal one, the SNR is so apparent that they had to hide it. Luckily,
they could not destroy it.

Back to Terzopoulos. The SNR is as high as you can get.

How many of you knew that there was another presidential trip to Dallas,
with precisely the same route but in *reverse* sequence? Here's a problem
for the lazy among us: we are given a set of evidence pieces: photos,
videos, press clippings, recordings, verbal accounts, etc. and the problem
is:

"To which of the 2 trips does this tall heap of evidence belong?"

This is not a needle in the proverbial haystack: It is a single hay blade
that we are after. All you need to find is ONE discovery: license plate,
sun shadow, person present, song playing in the radio ... and you
immediately declare proudly: "This was the FIRST trip!"

That is exactly the nature of the Terzopoulos "train of movement": any
slight indication will tell us which of the two opposite trips was being
taken by the presidential body.

Q.E.D.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/9/2018 7:01 PM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
> Meet Demetri Terzopoulos and his groundbreaking research:
>
> http://web.cs.ucla.edu/~dt/
> https://goo.gl/rdL5FA
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97UivL5PuEs
>
> For years, I had been Googling, reading about that vague research
> category, with a big obstacle (who among us has not experienced that
> frustrating limitation?): I could not put into words exactly what I needed
> to find.
>
> I had the idea that the sudden back snap could be meticulously
> characterized, numerically, in order to determine the big question. The
> only argument left for the WCR types -random neuromuscular reactions-
> after the absurd Jet Effect has been swept under the rug: its previous
> supporters are now ashamed of it.
>
> Was Kennedy's body pushed or pulled?
>

It's called inertia.

[Anthony Marsh]

Have you ever heard of inertia?
Have you ever seen videos of crashtest dummies?

[Anthony Marsh]

Yes, they said it was a "Communist Conspiracy."
And you agreed with that? Or did you dissent?

> Deal with it.
>
>

[Anthony Marsh]

Which movements? When? You meed to be very specific.
You mean when he was getting in the limo? Or when he was brushing his
hair back? Smiling? Waving?

> Yes, Tony, that is simplified. What is needed is to precisely characterize
> the acting forces and their effects, through detailed simulations. This
> discovery converts simulated physical forces into *movies*. We need the
> opposite, to derive the forces from a *movie*. Can you say Z-film? (plus
> photos, etc).
>

The photos help to amplify our understanding of the Zapruder film.
Once you know that the Moorman photo was taken just after the head shot
you can see that his head and been knocked up and back from his leaning
forward position before the shot.
I don't think a bullet from behind can do that unless it is some kind of
pendulum effect.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 8/10/2018 4:28 PM, Jason Burke wrote:

So you're satisfied that they said conspiracy?
But they never got the chance to prove it. Can you?

[Piotr Mancini]

Now that I think about it, next time I draw that diagram, on the SBT/MBT
side, I will put it upside down, with the corner of the angle up, in the
snipers' nest, and the sides 'A' and 'B' (one shot? two shots?) going
down.

When I produced that illustration, I was trying to make a point about the
superior ROI of the violent back snap vs. the SBT/MBT in the Education
Forum (controlled/censored by a Trump supporter) and our esteemed David
Lifton (*) was furious, declared radio silence on This Humble Servant of
the People.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

(*) Surprisingly, Lifton is an engineer/physicist and yet is placing all
his eggs in the "mysterious witness" that he discovered basket. He will
have nothing to do with the solution of the JFK Numbers. He and Pat Speer
were the first people informed about my Terzopoulos finding. I am still
waiting to hear from either.

[Travis Banger]

On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 3:26:33 PM UTC-5, bigdog wrote:
>
> Jet effect is real and is repeatable experimentally. It probably was not
> the primary cause of JFK's rearward lurch but it does expose the myth that
> the rearward movement was the result of a frontal shot.

So your main scientific argument is based on bullshit? On a gigantic pile
of foul smelling manure for which its father (*) could not find ONE peer?

You are one of the few defenders left of the Jet Effect.

Not only did they murder Kennedy, but next they called him a melon head.
People would have been satisfied if you people had called him "Coconut
Head". After all his coconut idea saved his life in the South Pacific.

What to do? What to do? How do we solver this conundrum?

I know! I guess MIT et al. are the only

AUTHORITATIVE ENTITIES

aren't they?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

(*) "But, but, but, Nobel, Nobel, Nobel". You guys sound like the Obama
supporters.

[donald willis]

And how's it going with Piltdown Man? Still excited by that discovery?

[Jason Burke]

Anthony Anthony, I need your help.
What is Donald's nonsense called in logic?

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Did he lie to incriminate Oswald too?

Seriously, I've gone over the number of people you think lied to
incriminate him, directly or indirectly; and I cannot find one witness who
said anything critical of him that you don't think did so dishonestly.

Is there one? They were wrong but not deliberately?

[Travis Banger]

On Friday, August 10, 2018 at 3:29:00 PM UTC-5, Jason Burke wrote:

To the whole world's satisfaction? Maybe to the civilized, aka educated(*)
parts thereof?

In YOUR baseball field? Where Freedom Rings? (*)

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

(*) Away from the CSA.

[Piotr Mancini]

The only movement that matters: The violent back snap. The forward
movement is highly irrelevant, cannot be subjected to FEA/CFD studies.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[FORREST TRUMP]

The forward head movement is most certainly relevant. Didn't they teach
you anything at MIT?

[donald willis]

Weren't you part of a vaudeville team? Jason Burke and Hare....

[donald willis]

Well, since I have changed my stance on Oswald and now believe that he was
probably the shooter in the depository, maybe I think most of them were
right, but I haven't gone down the list.

I've shown myself open to argument (re Where Was Oswald, that is). Wish
LNs were, too, but they seem to know that there's nothing to argue....

dcw

[Piotr Mancini]

Subject: The man who may have solved the JFK murder case, and doesn't even
know it

On Tuesday, March 24, 2020 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5, FORREST TRUMP wrote:

> [Da Eagle - The only one with a working set of neurons around this carefully cultivated wasteland:]

>
> The forward head movement is most certainly relevant. Didn't they teach
> you anything at MIT?

Muchas gracias again for keeping me honest, remember that this work (like
software development) is done by fine tuning, successive approximations.

There is a big obstacle:
http://jfknumbers.org/~ramon/jfk/Terzopoulos-Sponsors.png


But do you remotely think that Ole' JFK Numbers is deterred by such
details? Do I look like a quitter?

Notice that in addition to MIC-sponsored Demetri Terzopoulos, there are
two co-authors, now in Asia, available for hire to the high bidder (or
Science aka the search for The Truth).

IOW: Koch, Haags and Sturdivan need not apply. "Your money is not good
here, gentlemen"

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

ps: Allow me to state this again

(1) Science is the search for The Truth.
(2) Science has never been used in this case since 1963

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAE2K90XWbLWWEwEP5tfobw/about

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/23/2020 6:43 PM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:03:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 8/11/2018 12:18 AM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
>>> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 6:01:10 PM UTC-5, Piotr Mancini wrote:
>>>> Meet Demetri Terzopoulos and his groundbreaking research:
>>>>
>>>> http://web.cs.ucla.edu/~dt/
>>>> https://goo.gl/rdL5FA
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97UivL5PuEs
>>>>
>>>> For years, I had been Googling, reading about that vague research
>>>> category, with a big obstacle (who among us has not experienced that
>>>> frustrating limitation?): I could not put into words exactly what I needed
>>>> to find.
>>>>
>>>> I had the idea that the sudden back snap could be meticulously
>>>> characterized, numerically, in order to determine the big question. The
>>>> only argument left for the WCR types -random neuromuscular reactions-
>>>> after the absurd Jet Effect has been swept under the rug: its previous
>>>> supporters are now ashamed of it.
>>>>
>>>> Was Kennedy's body pushed or pulled?
>>>>
>>>> I even wrote to a few research centers, I recall one in France, found it
>>>> in YouTube. They use Open Source software to perform Finite Element
>>>> Analysis which I figured was the way to. I was wrong. Close but no cigar.
>>>>
>>>> One morning, after having my dose of caffeine, I typed some query and
>>>> yelled:
>>>>
>>>> "Eureka! This is it! They have finally solved the problem that I need!"
>>>>

False. No one can solve your problem.

EVERYONE moved forward. Does that proved that they were all shot from
behind? No, the limo suddenly slowed down.

> -Ramon
> JFK Numbers
>
>

[Anthony Marsh]

But you don't think the forward movement of everyone else is important?
Ever study inrtia in college?

[Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)]

There's nothing to argue.

Because of the consilience of the evidence.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consilience
Consilience: the linking together of principles from different disciplines
especially when forming a comprehensive theory

So we've got Oswald's rifle found in the Depository (handwriting analysis,
business records, PO money order, PO Box, photographs);

three shells at the window traceable to Oswald's weapon to the exclusion
of all other weapons in the world (ballistics);

two large fragments found in the limo traceable to Oswald's weapon to the
exclusion of all other weapons in the world;

one nearly whole bullet found at the hospital traceable to Oswald's weapon
to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world (ballistics);

witnesses that described the gunman as a young white male resembling
Oswald;

Oswald leaves almost all his money behind for Marina along with his
wedding ring on the morning of 11/22/63, the morning of the assassination
(eyewitness testimony);

Oswald's fingerprints on the trigger guard (fingerprint analysis);

Oswald seen with a large paper bag the morning of the assassination
(eyewitness testimony);

A large paper bag found next to the sniper's nest bearing Oswald's prints
and with fibers matching the blanket (fingerprint analysis and fiber
analysis);

Oswald's being arrested after resisting arrest in the theatre and
assaulting a police officer (eyewitness testimony and photograph of police
officer McDonald who was assaulted by Oswald);

Oswald's revolver taken from his hand during the scuffle in the theatre
(business records, eyewitness testimony);

Shells recovered at the scene of the Tippit killing that were matched to
Oswald's revolver to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world
(eyewitness testimony, ballistics);

testimony from eyewitnesses who picked Oswald out of police lineups as the
man who shot Tippit (eyewitness testimony);

a note from Oswald to Marina explaining what to do if Oswald is arrested
(handwriting analysis, eyewitness testimony);

this note above was discovered by Marina on the night of the attempted
assassination of General Walker and it mentions he left behind almost all
his money (handwriting analysis, eyewitness testimony).

There's more, but that's enough for now.

How CTs can ignore all that evidence to concentrate on the gaps (how come
JFK's head moves back?, how could he fire two shots and hit JFK and
Connally so close together?, why didn't Johnson mention the discovery of
the rifle he had nothing to do with?, etc. etc.) is beyond my
understanding. I have a suspicion it's because they are not looking for
the most reasonable solution, but any solution *consistent with a
conspiracy*. Which means they have to disregard all that evidence or find
some reason to justify putting that evidence aside.

Which leads to a whole lot of conspiracy arguments like the shells were
planted, the rifle was planted, the money order is fake, the body was
altered, the Zapruder film was altered, the witnesses were killed or
intimidated, the bullet was planted at Parkland, a Mauser was found, not
Oswald's Carcano, the autopsy x-rays and photos were altered, that's not
JFK's body in the autopsy photos, it's Tippit's, somebody else did the
shooting and Oswald tried to stop it. All kinds of bizarre nonsense that
doesn't withstand scrutiny, all because of some need to have a larger
cause for the President's death and to assign some meaning to it beyond 'a
guy with a gun and a grudge'.

God knows we've seen enough evidence of what one guy with a gun and a
grudge can do since JFK's assassination (Texas Tower, Aurora theatre,
Orlando night club, Hinckley, Chapman, Squeeky Fromme, Sara Jane Moore,
etc. etc.) - isn't it time to accept the evidence, accept the fact that
Oswald shot JFK and let this search for a massive conspiracy to provide
some meaning to the man's death just wither away and die?

Hank

[Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon)]

Then we're done here.

The shot to the head came from behind.

That's what the autopsists who had the body in front of them on the night
of the assassination concluded, and that's what every panel of forensic
pathologists have likewise concluded when they examined the extant autopsy
photos and radiographs.

Their conclusions: JFK was struck once in the head, and once in the upper
back / lower neck. Both shots struck the President from above and behind
the level of the deceased. There were no bullets recovered from the body
and there were no entrance wounds found on the body other than the two
from behind.

That's it. We're done here.

That's the conclusion that's supported by the evidence. Your failure to
accept the evidence is not our problem, it's yours. Keep railing against
the nature of the evidence and where it points. It doesn't change it
any.

Your mission is doomed to fail. If it concludes anything except JFK was
shot from behind, we know it's wrong, because it conflicts with the
evidence from the autopsy.

> My
> contention is that there is no mathematical model or actual empirical
> experience that supports a shot from the back (subject to scientific
> corroboration, of course). The same cannot be said about the SBT/MBT
> problem: At the end, it may turn out to be undecidable. It is our
> obligation to be prepared for that eventuality.
>
> We engineers use the term "signal to noise ratio" or SNR. The fatal shot
> provides a much higher value. You get more bang (intended) for your buck.
> The reason the Zapruder film was sequestered was not the first shot: In
> the fatal one, the SNR is so apparent that they had to hide it. Luckily,
> they could not destroy it.

Except they published all the pertinent frames in the Warren Commission
volumes of evidence, and anyone with a film camera and some stabilizing
equipment could knock out a cheap grainy film copy of the published frames
in a few hours of work.

And why couldn't 'they' destroy it? A technician at LIFE magazine working
with the original damaged the original and spliced out and discarded four
frames of the original. The Warren Commission slides were made from the
original after this, so their frames as published show the splice. Critics
complained something was being concealed by that suppression of evidence,
not believing the explanation. However, other copies made before the
damage showed the supposed suppressed frames, and those frames were
released by LIFE (and published in Josiah Thompson's 1966 book SIX SECONDS
IN DALLAS and critics couldn't find anything wrong within those supposed
frames. They've mostly stopped complaining about the missing frames, but
every now and then a newbie raises the issue having just read about the
supposed missing frames.

But if 'they' wanted to destroy it, why couldn't 'they'?

I mean, 'they' supposedly found Beverly Oliver and took her film, right?
'They' supposedly took Gordon Arnold's camera right there on the knoll
within a minute of the shooting, right? Didn't 'they' supposedly damage
Orville Nix's film and return a copy, not an original?

Why couldn't 'they' take the Zapruder film and simply put a match to it?

Hank

[donald willis]

Certainly, LNs have addressed this issue/possibility. If not, it's time
they did....

>
> > -Ramon
> > JFK Numbers
> >
> >

[Anthony Marsh]

Can you diagram how Oswald could fire a shot from the Domino Room?

[Jason Burke]

On 3/24/2020 10:00 PM, Anthony Marsh wrote:
> On 3/24/2020 10:00 AM, FORREST TRUMP wrote:
>> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 7:43:10 PM UTC-3, Piotr Mancini wrote:
>>> On Sunday, August 12, 2018 at 2:03:28 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>>> On 8/11/2018 12:18 AM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, August 9, 2018 at 6:01:10 PM UTC-5, Piotr Mancini wrote:
>>>>>> Meet Demetri Terzopoulos and his groundbreaking research:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> ?????? http://web.cs.ucla.edu/~dt/
>>>>>> ?????? https://goo.gl/rdL5FA
>>>>>> ?????? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97UivL5PuEs

>>>>>>
>>>>>> For years, I had been Googling, reading about that vague research
>>>>>> category, with a big obstacle (who among us has not experienced that
>>>>>> frustrating limitation?): I could not put into words exactly what
>>>>>> I needed
>>>>>> to find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the idea that the sudden back snap could be meticulously
>>>>>> characterized, numerically, in order to determine the big
>>>>>> question. The
>>>>>> only argument left for the WCR types -random neuromuscular reactions-
>>>>>> after the absurd Jet Effect has been swept under the rug: its
>>>>>> previous
>>>>>> supporters are now ashamed of it.
>>>>>>

>>>>>> ?????????????? Was Kennedy's body pushed or pulled?

>>>>>>
>>>>>> I even wrote to a few research centers, I recall one in France,
>>>>>> found it
>>>>>> in YouTube. They use Open Source software to perform Finite Element
>>>>>> Analysis which I figured was the way to. I was wrong. Close but no
>>>>>> cigar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> One morning, after having my dose of caffeine, I typed some query and
>>>>>> yelled:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> ?????? "Eureka! This is it! They have finally solved the problem that

>>>>>> I need!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading more, and finding a second paper by the same team "We
>>>>>> started with
>>>>>> the mechanics of the head/neck and later added the torso" I
>>>>>> shouted again:
>>>>>>

>>>>>> ?????? "You may stop your research right now, since what you have is

>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>> what I need!".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22877-this-is-how-the-frontal-shooter-or-lack-thereof-will-be-determined-in-an-incontrovertible-accurate-and-scientific-way/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [To be continued]
>>>>>
>>>>> Okay, let's continue, then. From my little (admittedly, selfish)
>>>>> corner/narrow point of view, after science has delivered exactly
>>>>> the tools
>>>>> that I/we need, the discovery that I was praying for, I should be
>>>>> celebrating, dancing on my desk, correct?
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, not exactly. There's a rub.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have contacted:
>>>>>

>>>>> ???? (a) Through the two people who offered help the JFK Numbers

>>>>> cause -the
>>>>> Wechts- Oliver Stone.
>>>>>

>>>>> ???? (b) On my own, Richard Stallman, father of Free Open Source

>>>>> Software.
>>>>>
>>>>> I have asked them to use their moral authority (bragging rights?),
>>>>> to try
>>>>> to persuade Demetri Terzopoulos, the author of that research, a
>>>>> star in
>>>>> the computer circles AND Hollywood to adapt his creation to analyze
>>>>> whether the JFK movements was:
>>>>>

>>>>> ???? (1) Initiated from his own body/muscles.
>>>>>
>>>>> ???? (2) Initiated from an outside force

>>>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Which movements? When? You meed to be very specific.
>>>> You mean when he was getting in the limo?
>>>> Or when he was brushing his hair back? Smiling? Waving?
>>>>
>>>
>>> The only movement that matters: The violent back snap. The forward
>>> movement is highly irrelevant, cannot be subjected to FEA/CFD studies.
>>>
>>> -Ramon
>>> JFK Numbers
>>
>> The forward head movement is most certainly relevant. Didn't they teach
>> you anything at MIT?
>>
>
>
> But you don't think the forward movement of everyone else is important?
> Ever study inrtia in college?
>
>

Interesting. I assume you transposed the middle two letters to sneak
this by the censors. Not that you're paranoid or anything.

Is that the Canadian paypal type thingie? Wasn't around back in the days
when I was in Cambridge.

Or perhaps it's the acronym for that Nazi moving-money-for-the-Jews
thing. (See, that's an acceptable use of 'Nazi'...)

[Piotr Mancini]

Put it in writing and I will make sure to include your Authoritative
Conclussions in the next letter to Paul Kirk and Caroline Kennedy.

Even better: write to them and say all kinds of nasty things about the JFK
Numbers projects. I can provide the postal address.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Jason Burke]

Geez. Pollution concerns maybe? Otherwise, this whole thread makes about
as much sense as anything else posited here by some folks.

> Hank
>

[donald willis]

Won't wash, Hank. Because he DID mention hearing a police-radio call at
about 1:20, about the same time as the rifle find. Why DID he mention
that? Not at all part of the depository search, though his & Montgomery's
tasks were a follow-up to the search. Oak Cliff had NOTHING to do with
their tasks or the search....

dcw

[Piotr Mancini]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:14:09 PM UTC-5, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote:

> That's it. We're done here.
>

*YOU* are done.

Dismissed.

Allow me to enunciate again the three stages of the two main JFK Numbers
projects:

(1) We do all we can, constrained by limited resources (money, experience,
grey matter).

(2) The top universities, scientific centers and leading schools of 3D
design are invited to inspect, evaluate, criticize and improve our work in
an open files fashion (sine qua non requirement for any endeavor to be
considered scientific).

(3) The 3D Models of Craniums and Plazas are formally donated, as
previously agreed to the National Archives.

Note: The models will NOT contain any conclusions. They are the baseball
parks before "play ball!" is ordered.

(3a): The signers of the forensic part have been clearly identified by the
Kennedy family, they are the Notable Doctors (*)

(3b): The signers of the architectural part are the authors of 11+1=12
studies during the computer era (**)

Pardon my riposte, but do you see there a stage that says:

"Work is suddenly stopped, abandoned per disagreements loudly manifested
by Big Dog, Joe Zircon and Mark"?

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

(*) Tragically, only those Notable Doctors who are skeptical of the
official version have agreed to be cosigners. The rest are MIA.

(**) Ditto. As things stand right now, it seems that only one professional
(and his team) will be signing the donation.

[Anthony Marsh]

Silly. There were 3 prints and copies. And the CIA and SS already had
one each.
What are you, some kind of conspiracy nut?

> Hank
>

[donald willis]

You're asking the me of 5 years ago....

[Piotr Mancini]

Geeeesh, Marsh...

And you have the nerve to go around bragging, telling everyone that you
are my Former Hero?

Sigh...

This is the correct answer. After the shooting, Abe went to the ABC
affiliate WFAA station, before having the film developed, and described to
Jay Watson and the whole world what he had seen through the viewfinder.
Then, he was given a ride to the Dallas Kodak lab by a Secret Service
agent.

After watching the film Dan I-Rather-Lie described how the victim jumped
violently FORWARD.

BTW, I have news!

My Bell&Howell Model 414 PD Director Series arrived.

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/sidewalks/Zapruder_Camera/Reference_Images/Bell+Howell-Zoomatic.jpg

I got it in an eBay auction for $9.99! The seller is kicking himself as we
speak, since I was the only bidder. Those go for 10x as much.

It will be shipped to Chavezuela -with a screwdriver included- where my
good friend Luis Alberto Arias:

https://grabcad.com/luis.a.arias.e-1/models

will make the only model ever in SolidWorks, part by part. It will be
ready for fabrication. This is an inferior, 3ds Max model:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EspKUDXUJ-o

(psst: please don't tell anybody that I had the serial number redone, it
will be #AS 13486)

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/~ramon/misc/Zapruder-Camera-Details.png

You are welcome, everyone!

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

[Piotr Mancini]

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:25:58 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>
> Can you diagram how Oswald could fire a shot from the Domino Room?
>

Geeeesh, Marsh...

And you have the nerve to go around bragging, telling everyone that you
are my Former Hero?

Sigh...

If you had bothered to download the only architectural model (done in
Autodesk Revit, preferred by 9 out of 10 architects, worldwide! (*))

http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/full_building/Architectural_Model/

you would know that the Domino Room was on the first floor, next to the
Dr. Pepper machine.

Lee was in the SECOND Floor Lunch Room, next to my/your/our Coca-Cola
machine. You can see it here, currently empty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHb_1swWS5M&t=126s

The web based GUI Tool No. 1 will allow you to measure the distance, as
the crow flies, from Lee to the victim's back or head, with laser
millimetric precision.

Oh, that reminds me. Dale Myers told me something, I kid you not. It will
be disclosed in another thread.

-Ramon
JFK Numbers

(*) I have to suck up to Autodesk, they have given wonderful support to
my/your/our projects.

[Anthony Marsh]

How would I be clever enough to know that?
Or test his Cockney filter?

> Is that the Canadian paypal type thingie? Wasn't around back in the days
> when I was in Cambridge.
>
> Or perhaps it's the acronym for that Nazi moving-money-for-the-Jews
> thing. (See, that's an acceptable use of 'Nazi'...)

Don't know, I haven't seen that movie ywt.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/26/2020 8:49 PM, Piotr Mancini wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 6:25:58 PM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>>
>> Can you diagram how Oswald could fire a shot from the Domino Room?
>>
>
> Geeeesh, Marsh...
>
> And you have the nerve to go around bragging, telling everyone that you
> are my Former Hero?
>

Not I.

> Sigh...
>
> If you had bothered to download the only architectural model (done in
> Autodesk Revit, preferred by 9 out of 10 architects, worldwide! (*))
>
> http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/full_building/Architectural_Model/
>
> you would know that the Domino Room was on the first floor, next to the
> Dr. Pepper machine.
>
> Lee was in the SECOND Floor Lunch Room, next to my/your/our Coca-Cola
> machine. You can see it here, currently empty:
>

When? After the shooting, not during the shooting.

[Anthony Marsh]

On 3/26/2020 8:49 PM, Piotr Mancini wrote:

> On Thursday, March 26, 2020 at 8:46:31 AM UTC-5, Anthony Marsh wrote:
>> On 3/25/2020 1:14 PM, Hank Sienzant (AKA Joe Zircon) wrote:
>>>
>>> But if 'they' wanted to destroy it, why couldn't 'they'?
>>>
>>> I mean, 'they' supposedly found Beverly Oliver and took her film, right?
>>> 'They' supposedly took Gordon Arnold's camera right there on the knoll
>>> within a minute of the shooting, right? Didn't 'they' supposedly damage
>>> Orville Nix's film and return a copy, not an original?
>>>
>>> Why couldn't 'they' take the Zapruder film and simply put a match to it?
>>>
>
>>
>> Silly. There were 3 prints and copies. And the CIA and SS already had
>> one each.
>>
>
> Geeeesh, Marsh...
>
> And you have the nerve to go around bragging, telling everyone that you
> are my Former Hero?
>

I woud neer do that.

> Sigh...
>
> This is the correct answer. After the shooting, Abe went to the ABC
> affiliate WFAA station, before having the film developed, and described to
> Jay Watson and the whole world what he had seen through the viewfinder.
> Then, he was given a ride to the Dallas Kodak lab by a Secret Service
> agent.
>
> After watching the film Dan I-Rather-Lie described how the victim jumped
> violently FORWARD.
>

Maybe he was drunk at the time.

> BTW, I have news!
>
> My Bell&Howell Model 414 PD Director Series arrived.
>
> http://www.dealey-plaza.org/this-government-as-promised/sidewalks/Zapruder_Camera/Reference_Images/Bell+Howell-Zoomatic.jpg
>
> I got it in an eBay auction for $9.99! The seller is kicking himself as we
> speak, since I was the only bidder. Those go for 10x as much.
>
> It will be shipped to Chavezuela -with a screwdriver included- where my
> good friend Luis Alberto Arias:
>
> https://grabcad.com/luis.a.arias.e-1/models
>
> will make the only model ever in SolidWorks, part by part. It will be
> ready for fabrication. This is an inferior, 3ds Max model:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EspKUDXUJ-o
>
> (psst: please don't tell anybody that I had the serial number redone, it
> will be #AS 13486)
>
> http://www.dealey-plaza.org/~ramon/misc/Zapruder-Camera-Details.png
>
> You are welcome, everyone!
>

What tests can you do tha Zavada did not?
How are you going to find the right film?
Do you have a stockpile of 1960s era Double 8mm films?
I do. My aunt worked at a film company.


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> -Ramon
> JFK Numbers
>
>
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