Do chinese still hate japanese?
MAN...an ancient race
i've seen more recent hk movies where japanese are bad people.
but then i've also seen japanese actors in hk movies.
how do chinese feel about japanese today?
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go away. People remember hatred. It's a shame they forget goodness. :-(
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> Why has China so many traitors and flatters?
>
> Where is chinese intellectuals?
>
>
> Without democracy, we have no freedom!
>
> What is academic freedom?
>
> Academic freedom is a part of Human Rights, it means the freedom
> of reading, teaching, researching, logical writing and discussing.
>
> What is economics? What is New Economics? What is Knowledge
> economics? Why should one study economics?....... Could you
> distinguish socialism from communism?....
>
> Could any economist, economics-professor, or Nobel Prize receiver >
answer the following simple questions logically in open?
>
> 1) Is value the basis of economics? Why?
>
> 2) Could anybody produce your subjective value? How?
>
> 3) Is knowledge subjective or objective value? Why?
>
> 4) Where does knowledge come from? How?
>
> If you need to know the answer, please, look at the home page:
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>how do chinese feel about japanese today?
According to my informal investigations in China (i.e. asking lots of
people), most young people don't care, or they think Japan is cool
because of the pop culture. But many older people still vehemently
hate Japanese.
yoo
i live in hong kong. Many many chinese in hong kong don't hate japanese
and even love them.
Many many teenagers(or even adults) are crazy about japanese idols.
They love to see japanese films or tv videos. They collect their CDs and
pics.....
They think that japanese gals and guys are more bueatiful and handsome.
Although I dun have any japnese idols, i dun hate them too.
In my view, it 's the mistakes which the old japanese made.
All things has gone and it becomes the history.
But i really dislike that they refuse to accept the "real" history.
and in mainland china, not many teenagers love japanese idols.
Some of them really hate japanese nowadays
(especially the university students, but they concentrate on the
political of china than problems of japanese)
And .....as i know that, many old chinese who have been in the war still
hate the japanese much!
but in hong kong, i can tell you, ppl seems love japanese but not hate!
yoo
especially in HK(i live in HK and i 'm chinese)
i remember my history teacher (nearly 80 years old) hate japanese much
coz he has been in the war before.
he taught me history when i was in high school.
i remember once he said"the japanese is really horrible and i really hate
them!!"
and many of our schoolmates then asked
''Have you ever buy any cars/electrical goods from japan?have you buy
clothese from japan, sir? the television you have is from japan too! "
some even said" i love japanese!!! japanese gal is sexy and cool!! "
my teacher nearly has heart disease that day!!!
Kevin
Japanese. In my circles anyway, I find Koreans dislike Japanese more given
how severely the Japanese tried to destroy their culture and what not.
While it's sad to see so much hate, I can't say I really blame them. Just
think about how people here get SO worked up over nonsense like Disney
editing movies, Ric Meyers, Bey Logan, Tai Seng overcharging, etc. Now
consider a group brutally raping and murdering women & children, trying hard
to crush the spirit of your people and eradicate your culture, then never
apologizing for it. How worked up would you get over that?
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John Hopkins
>
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> In my view, it 's the mistakes which the old japanese made.
> All things has gone and it becomes the history.
That's a good attitude.
> But i really dislike that they refuse to accept the "real" history.
Yeah, that's still a problem and will likely continue so long as we
still have people around who lived through WW2. It's a shame because the
whole severity of that conflict and all the various causes can be very
instructive, and trying to hide or rewrite parts of it could be damaging
in the long run.
> and in mainland china, not many teenagers love japanese idols.
Which isn't suprising.
> Some of them really hate japanese nowadays
The Koreans aren't exactly big fans either.
Japan is a fascinating country to me. I wish I could remember the name
of the book, but I read a very plausible explanation for Japan's
national peculiarities having to do with being a large island nation
that was just far enough from the continent to keep them free not only
from foreign invasion but also the cross-cultural sort of things that
happen to countries which aren't so geographically separated. They could
send people abroad to bring back the written language of the Chinese,
for example, but then give it a complete internal makeover to suit their
needs. The absorption & transformation of Zen Buddhism is another
example, but you get the idea.
This probably isn't the place to go too deep on the subject, but the
point comes down to the fact that there really isn't anywhere else on
Earth quite like it, and something that unique is bound to generate
wildly varying reactions.
/John
miko
>
>Now
>consider a group brutally raping and murdering women & children, trying hard
>to crush the spirit of your people and eradicate your culture, then never
>apologizing for it. How worked up would you get over that?
>
Actually they did publically apologize for it...read my other post for more info
on this. I totally agree with what you said but on the other hand the Ottoman
Empire, modern day Turkey, has never apologized to Greece or its Balkan
neighbors for trying hard to "crush their spirit, eradicat their culture,
brutally raping and murdering women/children" but last year that I was in Greece
during those big earthquakes that hit those regions both countries where trying
to put away their hatred and help each other out. ^_~
gareth young
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> Like others have mentioned, it's mainly the older people who hate the
> Japanese.
same everywhere in the world.
here in britain older people still don't like germans.
even when there's an international football match recently a newspaper had
photo's of the english team altered to look like soldiers as if we were
going to war again.
crazy really.
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Changbo
about the looks of the general Cantonese Chinese?
I think this still has to do with the stereotypical portrayal of Cantonese
people most Chinese know that I don't need to repeat. Maybe this stereotype is
more true than people think.
African Monk
African Monk
vale tudo
This could easily turn into a flamewar.
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Jason Han
don't hate them given that I received no anti-Japan education so
prevalent in Asia. In fact, I feel affinity to Japanese given that we
are nothing but Asian here in the State. Someone calling "Jap" will
undoubtly offend my sensibility.
But whats with Japanese when questioned upon their past atrocities,
always excused themselves with "Yeah we did bad things, but so did
others too"? I do know that Japanese, more than any other group, have
very subtle way of expressing their opinion, but when it comes to
apology, Koreans, Chinese, SE Asians, etc. don't want half-hearted,
subtle apology. They WANT full, unconditional, direct apology.
Dear Miko:
If I was to punch your face so severally that it scars you both
physically and emotionally for remainder of your life, and I come back
saying sorry but telling you "well see that boy, he punch that girl's
face but he never said sorry", how would you feel? Would you feel
better? Would your face be less sore?
Jason
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wrote:
>This is not the place for political conversation.
>This could easily turn into a flamewar.
>
Too late. You mean like the Flying Pigeon thread?
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Debbie Quan
cool. I was just in Japan a few years ago. The older generation feels
differently, like my grandparents. Well, they don't hate them but they do
have bitter feelings towards them. That's because my grandparents lived
through the Japan attack on China. Come to think of it, if the Japanese
had killed my grandparents my mom would never have been born and I would
not be in this world today. I guess, I should feel more bitterness but I
don't, I guess because one of my best friend's during elementary school is
Japanese. Debbie
mikae...@hotmail.com wrote:
:>how do chinese feel about japanese today?
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miko
saying: others have done atrocities and never apologized for them while other
have and everything should be alright know. Just an example that people all
over the world have atrocities done to them by others from a person's point of
view who believe it or not seats on both sides of the fence on this issue. Not
only to I come from a heritage were alot of atrocities were done to others by
them BUT I also come from a heritage were alot of atrocities have been done TO
them and have personal experience on how people on both sides of this issue
feel. The Turkey/Greece example I gave was because I'm half Greek and have
personal knowledge of it. For anyone familiar with the two countries history
both past and present they will know that just as Koreans have alot of anomosity
towards the Japanese so do the Greeks towards the Turks. So no you do not have
to explain to me about people being scared by others both emotionally and
physically, I know of it on a first hand basis.
In article <2e6n5tg7e76ijfh7m...@4ax.com>, Jason says...
miko
It was not meant to be taking as a Japanese excuse or "cop out" of any kind.
Just a post from someone who's been on both sides of the "receiving line" if you
will on this issue. ^_^
In article <93gdu...@drn.newsguy.com>, miko says...
miko
>
>I guess because one of my best friend's during elementary school is
>Japanese. Debbie
Same here, some of my best friends are Chinese, and let me tell you 'til this
day they stood by me, through the good times and bad, more so then some of my so
called Japanese friends. Aside from Japanese I also have friends who are
Korean, African American, Indian, White, Latino, Vietnamese, & Laotian. I don't
know, I like diversity in the people I hang out with. You can learn alot from
them. ^_^
Dosun1
>people most Chinese know that I don't need to repeat.
As someone not living in China or HK, what steretype is it? Also, why do you
just signal out Cantonese Chinese? Is there a difference in looks between
Mandarin and Cantonese? I can't tell the difference.
yoo
opinion...)
but the make-up of japanese gals is really skillful!! but not much cantonese
chinese have make-up in hong kong .
you may know how make-up could affect the outlook of a gal~
also, the pop fashion trend make people think that the japanese is good-looking.
and chinese gal have very very high social stauts in HK. but as i know, japanese
gal do not have such hight stauts.
that 's why many guys in HK think that japanese gals are much obedient, weak and
need to take care by guys.
but HK gals......they think that we are too independent!
Also, many guys do not ever go to japan. They only know and see japanese gals /
guys from TV/films.
Those are all actors/models......and of coz they are beautiful and handsome!
just like me...i think korean gals are very very very pretty. but all the korean
gals i know are models.....i dunno any ''normal" korean gals. And my friend tell
me that korean gals are really pretty but not as pretty as i think.
that 's why hk guys are crazy about japanese gals.
yoo
she was in the war...and she told me that her best friend was rape by a
japanese.
she really refused to use anything from japan!! (that 's true, she is still
live in HK)
i think.....umm.....not all chinese dun hate japanese. But have to see their
experience and situation.
yoo
looks between mandarin and cantonese!
i study in international school before......there are different kinds of
chinese...and i could tell where they from by their outlook even i dunno they
speak madarin / cantonese!
plz dun misunderstand that i 'm blaming u or anything. I could understand your
situation...it 's just like i can't tell the different between american and
british!
Changbo
what's the typical stereotype for different groups of Mandarins?
sna...@hotmail.com
south (Cantonese mostly) are
a)physically short, dark, and ugly. A justification is that their
centuries of farming life has hardened their appearances; another factor
may be because many resemble the also hard-lived Zhuang and Miao minority
through intermarriages because they are relatively close.
b)loud, rude, and mean to themselves and other Chinese. The way the
Cantonese dialect is spoken maybe the cause of this. Another reason may
be the crude farming life.
I have not heard any stereotypes about the northerners (mostly Mandarins)
except that people keep on saying Mandarin sounds like snake hissing
because of the "sh" sound. Isn't Engli"sh" the same with all these
constants ending words like "tests"?
you can read the "Why US media make fun of Cantonese" thread to see
people's opinion on this.
In article <20010110013001...@ng-mi1.aol.com>,
Dosun1
>Well, since you asked. The bad stereotype is that people from the China's
>south (Cantonese mostly) are
Ironic Chinese have stereotype even amongst themselves. Alot of Caucasian
Americans hold the stereotype they look all alike.
bda...@my-deja.com
But historically Cantonese has been soldouts. They sold out their own
people, sold out to the British and of course, their teenagers are
sellouts too.
In article <3A5B21EF...@netvigator.com>,
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bda...@my-deja.com
You sound like a juppie. Jap groupie. Of course when you are younger
you feel no resentment. As you get older, your identity tend to be
solidified and by looking back into your family, ancestral and cultural
history, you will realize that the Japanese got away with murder
without ever have the need to apologize for it. Of course there's no
point going on by hating the japanese because it's a sign of weakness.
The way is to overcome the hate and strive for excellence in everything
and do better than the Japs.
Of course, I don't mind having a few jap chicks on the side and treat
them like objects without any feeling of remorse.
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> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Why has China so many traitors and flatters?
> >
> > Where is chinese intellectuals?
> >
> >
> > Without democracy, we have no freedom!
> >
> > What is academic freedom?
> >
> > Academic freedom is a part of Human Rights, it means the freedom
> > of reading, teaching, researching, logical writing and discussing.
> >
> > What is economics? What is New Economics? What is Knowledge
> > economics? Why should one study economics?....... Could you
> > distinguish socialism from communism?....
> >
> > Could any economist, economics-professor, or Nobel Prize receiver
> > answer the following simple questions logically in open?
> >
> > 1) Is value the basis of economics? Why?
> >
> > 2) Could anybody produce your subjective value? How?
> >
> > 3) Is knowledge subjective or objective value? Why?
> >
> > 4) Where does knowledge come from? How?
> >
> > If you need to know the answer, please, look at the home page:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/ga/chaok , you could find more.
> >
> > Reading without thinking is nonsense; reading without understanding
is
> > in vain!
> >
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> > ---------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Why has China so many traitors and flatters?
> >
> > Where is chinese intellectuals?
> >
> >
> > Without democracy, we have no freedom!
> >
> > What is academic freedom?
> >
> > Academic freedom is a part of Human Rights, it means the freedom
> > of reading, teaching, researching, logical writing and discussing.
> >
> > What is economics? What is New Economics? What is Knowledge
> > economics? Why should one study economics?....... Could you
> > distinguish socialism from communism?....
> >
> > Could any economist, economics-professor, or Nobel Prize receiver
> > answer the following simple questions logically in open?
> >
> > 1) Is value the basis of economics? Why?
> >
> > 2) Could anybody produce your subjective value? How?
> >
> > 3) Is knowledge subjective or objective value? Why?
> >
> > 4) Where does knowledge come from? How?
> >
> > If you need to know the answer, please, look at the home page:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/ga/chaok , you could find more.
> >
> > Reading without thinking is nonsense; reading without understanding
is
> > in vain!
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MAN...an ancient race(hog wild) <anthon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I remember the antijapanese sentiments of chinese connection. and
> i've seen more recent hk movies where japanese are bad people.
> but then i've also seen japanese actors in hk movies.
>
I bet this Italian supremist is trying to stir up trouble...but I'll
answer it anyways. I don't know about mainland China. But in HK, the
opinion is split. I personally detest how the Japanese government
handled the situation and much of the older generation denied that the
invasion and the millions of murders.
The baby boomers were better, but then some of the younger generation
are becoming racists again. 50% of teens in HK loves those Japanese
popular culture. Hong Kong is a place where people are quite extreme.
The follower types in HK mostly loves Japanese stuff because they think
its in trend...and honestly, teens in HK in the 90s is alot different
from teens in the 80s. Teens in the 80s were alot more individualistic,
creative and opiniated and teens in the 90s are mostly a bunch of
spoiled morons who can't make up their own minds. But most will lose
interest in Japanese culture once they hit their mid-20s because
Japanese-pop culture seems to be the equivalent of Teen Pop culture in
the EAST. But as you can see, the whole entertainment
industry made a huge shift recently to target the 90s teens, as seen in
the poor quality and stupidity of recent movie productions and the
emphasis that actresses has to be "CUTE". Watch out for newcomers
like Rain Lee, Joey Yung and Elle Choi, who are a bunch of talentless,
brainless, unattractive newcomers who sells many albums because the
braindead HK teens of the 90s loves their inane cuteness. HK
entertainment circle is hopeless for now...movies, music and television
are seeing declines in revenue due to loss of a huge portion of the
25-45 demographic. Now I'm crossing my fingers hoping that the HK
entertainment industry will go bankrupt and rebuild and redirect itself.
Irene Lee
Trex
miko <miko_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> PS:
> It was not meant to be taking as a Japanese excuse or "cop out" of
any kind.
> Just a post from someone who's been on both sides of the "receiving
line" if you
> will on this issue. ^_^
>
You belong to a generation of Japanese who have the brutal past hidden
from you by your government.
Its like your neighbor coming into your home, stab your parents, shoot
your brothers, and rape your sisters. This is repeated a million times
over. So what would you do to this neighbor?
Ah, one more thing. Forget about 'forgiving' your enemy coz they felt
no need to seek your forgiveness.
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miko
>
>In article <93gek...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> miko <miko_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> PS:
>> It was not meant to be taking as a Japanese excuse or "cop out" of
>any kind.
>> Just a post from someone who's been on both sides of the "receiving
>line" if you
>> will on this issue. ^_^
>>
>
>You belong to a generation of Japanese who have the brutal past hidden
>from you by your government.
Actually I belong to a generation of Japanese who are more aware of it and talk
about it more so than their fore-fathers before them. Yes, atrocities were
committed by past Japanese generations and the majority of the younger Japanese
are more aware of them AND talk about those events which occured more so then
their fathers and grandfathers before them did. As I said in another post its
kind of hard for A government to NOW try and hide the fact that the Japanese
government did committe those brutal acts AFTER the Japanese government
publically APOLOGIZED and ACKNOWLEDGED the fact of their brutal acts in the Far
East, to the world.
>
>Its like your neighbor coming into your home, stab your parents, shoot
>your brothers, and rape your sisters. This is repeated a million times
>over. So what would you do to this neighbor?
>
Like I said in my post....you don't have to tell me I already know what that
feels like in a first hand basis. I lost ELEVEN Uncles, SIXTEEN cousins and TWO
Great-gandfathers to the Turkish government. Three aunts who were taken away
and never heard from again...I probably have cousins out there that I know
nothing about....that's more then half my family tree murdered and uprooted from
their homes because of "neighbors" coming into their homes and
killing/murdering/raping them...in my grandmother's family alone out of ten
immediate family members only TWO survived....my grandmother and her mother[my
great-grandmother]. Not to mention the fact that BOTH of my grandparents
families were uprooted from their homes which they lived in for HUNDREDS of
years to be left roaming as refugees, and as they would always make a point of
saying....they were the lucky ones....they at least were still ALIVE. So no you
don't have to tell me about neighbors coming into your home stabbing your
parents, killing your brothers and sister, ect. I know what it feels like,
heard the stories, seen the devastation and hunted looks countless of times on
people VERY close to me who lived through them.....my grandparents, uncles,
cousins and aunts who survived. I remember when my grandmother would babysit my
sister and I, she wouldn't tell us fairy tale bedtime stories about Princes and
Princesses who lived happily ever after but what she and her family went
through. I didn't realize that those stories she was telling were true events
that she and her family lived through until I was much older and heard the
stories in more detail again. BUT I also wouldn't be here right now if it were
NOT for a Turkish family who put their own lives at stake to help hide at that
time my 13 year old grandfather from the Turkish army who was hot on his trail.
In our old house we had a Turkish family who rented from us and they were one of
the nicest people that I have ever met. My parents still keep in touch with
them.
Do any of you remember seeing the 1978 movie Midnight Express based on a true
story and if yes remember how barbaric they showed that prison in the movie? It
was ten times worse then that in real life. I had two uncles that were thrown
in that same prison that the movie was talking about by the Turkish army when
the Turkish government was trying to get rid of anyone who was not Turkish. One
of my uncles was tortured and killed by Prison guards, my other uncle[his
younger brother] survived ten horrific years in that prison. Everyone had him
for dead....he finally was able to escape. So no you don't have to tell me
about atrocities that happen to you....I'm all to aware of them as I am all to
aware of the atrocities committee by my other half heritage which I know is a
small gesture coming from one person but I apologize for.
>Ah, one more thing. Forget about 'forgiving' your enemy coz they felt
>no need to seek your forgiveness.
That's fine, its your view and you can live with it and the hatred that it
breeds. My point is that I have experience with both sides of this issue and
have come to the conclusion that I'm not going to let mistakes done by my
fore-fathers run my life, because if I did I would have lost out in some of the
best friendships that I have ever made. Yeah, I'm not going to forget what
history had taught us, both the good and the bad, espeacially the bad....not to
hold grudges or vandettas but to not repeat past atrocities and mistakes.
bda...@my-deja.com
Fine, I really feel sorry for your relatives but that does not erase
the fact that the Japanese commited a grave holocaust in China and the
rest of Asia. The official position of the Japanese government and the
erasing of the sins from the japanese educational curiculum cannot be
justified by what happened to your relatives in Turkey. The fact that
massive propaganda was undertaken, to emphasize the superioirty of the
Japanese Race still prevails up to today. So before we go about and
try to sideline this issues I will only tell you this once.
IT IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT FOR THE SURVIVAL OF THE JAPANESE CULTURE AND
SOVEREIGNITY TO ADMIT TO PAST GENOCIDES AND WAR CRIME.
You cannot rely on "divine intervention" anymore should any of the
aggrieved nations decided to take issue on this matter aggressively.
In article <93kog...@drn.newsguy.com>,
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miko
>
>Of course when you are younger
>you feel no resentment. As you get older, your identity tend to be
>solidified and by looking back into your family, ancestral and cultural
>history, you will realize that the Japanese got away with murder
>without ever have the need to apologize for it.
Actually Japan did apologize for it...Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama made one
of the clearest apologies of any postwar Japanese leader when he expressed "deep
remorse" and called Japan's conquest and colonization in Asia "a mistaken
national policy." Here's a translation printed in newspapers all over the
world:
"During a certain period in the not too distant past, Japan, following a
mistaken national policy, advanced along the road to war, only to ensnare the
Japanese people in a fateful crisis, and, through its colonial rule and
aggression, caused tremendous damage and suffering to the people of many
countries, particularly to those of Asian nations. In the hope that no such
mistake be made in the future, I regard, in a spirit of humility, these
irrefutable facts of history, and express here once again Japans feelings of
deep remorse and state our heartfelt apology. Allow me also to express the
feelings of profound mourning for all victims, both at home and abroad, of that
history.
Building from our deep remorse on this occasion of the 50th anniversary of the
end of the war, Japan must eliminate self-righteous nationalism, promote
international coordination as a responsible member of the international
community and, thereby, advance the principles of peace and democracy. At the
same time, as the only country to have experienced the devastation of atomic
bombing, Japan, with a view to the ultimate elimination of nuclear weapons, must
actively strive to further global disarmament in areas such as the strengthening
of the nuclear non-proliferation regime. It is my conviction that in this way
alone can Japan atone for its past and lay to rest the spirits of those who
perished."
-Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama-
Yes, Hiroshima and Nagasaki had the A-bombs dropped on them with masses of
people being affected not only back then but generations to come, mothers are
still giving birth to children with side effects due to the A-bombs. But as we
all know it was not only Japanese that were affected by the A-bombs but so were
thousands of Koreans brought over as slaves to work for the Emperor were
affected. One of the first places that my father visited on a business trip to
Korea was "The Independence Hall" as a remembrance of what a nation can do to
another. A young Japanese student, Chika Sekine, once wrote in an essay:
"When I first visited Korea, I strongly asked to one of my Korean friends to
take me to a special place: The Independence Hall.
"Very few Japanese tourists venture to visit there."
"That is why I ask you to take me there, because I am not brave enough to enter
the Museum by alone."
It was not easy to witness the history of Japanese frequent invasions in the
relationship of the both countries spanning for more than 2,000 years. I think
all Japanese must, however, visit the Museum at least once to learn the
historical facts. It is just the same for us to visit the Southern Battle Site
of Okinawa. In both places, I couldn't eat anything for a while after I visited
them.
Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Okinawa, Korea, Auschwitz, ect. remind me that all of the
tragedies were triggered by us, humankind, including me. Both assailants and
victims are the parts of humankind.
I believe everybody is responsible to human society and its history. I will
continue to accept, to think, and to hand down the history."
So no, counterary to what alot of people are saying about the young Japanese
generations not knowning what the real facts are, they know very well because
unlike generations past they are expose to what the truth really is.
As for punishing Japan for war crimes...as the only holder of the supreme power
under the Meiji Constitution the Emperor, and his military, could not escape a
major, if not the whole, responsibility of the Pacific War even if he was just a
puppet of the military clique. Nevertheless, the International Military Tribunal
of the Far East[IMTFE] decision not to try Hirohito and his advisors was not
justice but political considerations that affected IMTFE.....with some....or I
should say alot..of help from the U.S.A. The American policy with regards to
the Emperor was ambiguity with ultimatelyprovided flexibility which adjusted its
actions to future developments. It demonstrates that even after heated
discussions among US officials, they could not formulate a firm policy
concerning Japan and the Emperor. During the crucial years 1945 and 1946, since
Washington paid almost exclusive attention to European affairs, General Douglas
MacArthur had the greatest influence on the formulation as well as the
implementation of US policy toward Japan. 　He intended to use Hirohito to
accomplish a successful occupation, regarding the Emperor and his advisors as a
necessary evil for bringing stability to Japan. American officials assumed that
Japan would come back to a postwar international economic system. In his
memorandum to Grew, Ballantine insisted "that any policy for Japan to be
successful . . . must permit . . . its [Japan's] eventual participation in world
trade." The U.S. found a formidable potential economic power in Japan. With
respect to Japan, the U.S. developed a rather coherent objective:
demilitarization of Japan and getting it back into a cooperative liberal
capitalism. Sparing Hirohito and Japan was a political decision; legal justice
gave way to political expediency. Does this excuses Japan? None what so ever.
As mentioned from a moral and legal justice point of view, ofcourse not. But it
would seem that the major players at that time let political ambitions get in
the way of what was the just thing to do legally and morally.
>
>Of course, I don't mind having a few jap chicks on the side and treat
>them like objects without any feeling of remorse.
>
Hmmmm.....if people believe that young Japanese women are STILL as "dosel and
obedian" as their fore-mothers before them were, then their in for a rude
awakening to the truth. Pepsi and McD's is not the only thing that America has
brought over to Japan in the more recent years and the stereo-typical view that
most have of the meek Japanese woman walking ten steps behind a male is going in
the way that the dinosaurs went and faster. ^_~
miko
Japan did, on the counterary. I was trying to point out that not only am I
aware of the actrocities committeed by my Japanese heritage, as the poster
implied, BUT I also know exactly what it feels like to have someone else come
into your country to committee holocaust, genocides and War crimes against your
own kind. Its not side stepping the issue or making excuses, its too very
similar issues being discussed. Do you believe that the Turkish government is
teaching Turkish kids about the atrocities it committeed against its neighbors?
Ofcourse not, and no this is not meant to be taking as an excuse for the
Japanese government trying to sweep all this "under the rug" if you will, but
believe it or not younger Japanese generations are being taught more about those
atrocities now days then older generations before them ever did. I'm not making
excuses for Japan because crimes like that, no matter who committees them, can
not be excused or FORGOTTEN. BUT in more recent years Japan has been admitting
to the atrocities it committeed and its younger generations is more aware of
them. Read my other post that I just posted in regards to this issue.
In article <93kunj$hj5$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, bda...@my-deja.com says...
Changbo
Caucasians do have stereotypes as well.
mean Irish, italian mafia, Russian fat mamas, etc..
Caucasians in the US have less stereotypes amongst themselves because many have
bween disconnected with their true European culutre/heritage and come to
embrace the American melting pot. Thus differences are erased even though there
is essentially no American culture.
<<Alot of Caucasian
Americans hold the stereotype they look all alike.
>>
That's because most immigrants from China are Cantonese. I m quite sorry
China's national prestige has to go down this way.
Dosun1
>
>Caucasians do have stereotypes as well.
You miss my point. Alot of Caucasians think Chinese people all look alike. Then
among Chinese people you have some who think they look better than the other.
Get it? If you can't see what I'm trying to say let me put it another way you
can understand. One group thinks you all look like a bunch of yellow dogs. But
amongst yourselves, some yellow dogs think they look better than the other
yellow dogs. But you see, to other people you are all just a bunch of yellow
dogs. There is a hierachy, you can look down on others in your own race but
there is another race looking down on all of you. If you want to believe in
stereotypes, know there are negative ones against you as well so if you believe
in one the other must be true as well.
><<Alot of Caucasian
>Americans hold the stereotype they look all alike.
> >>
>
>That's because most immigrants from China are Cantonese. I m quite sorry
>China's national prestige has to go down this way.
>
Actually most Caucasians couldn't tell the different between Koreans, Japanse,
Chinese, or Vietnamese, it's all the same to them. Just a bunch of black haired
slanted eyes people to them. You must not know American history very well if
you think they would treat Mandarin speaking Chinese any different. Also, it
seems you are splitting Chinese into two different ethnic groups, Mandarin and
Cantonese. They are the same race, same ethinicity, just different dialect.
Your views are formed from cultural biases on your own part. I would guess you
speak Mandarin yourself, it's amusing to see you bash Cantonese speaking people
as you are really just bashing your own people and thus yourself. I can imagine
you saying to white people making fun of you "Hey I'm not a Chink, I speak
Mandarin!" Like they
care.
sna...@hotmail.com
stereotype, yet you cast me as a racist and use this advantage to attack
Chinese people in general.
If you are sick because China/Chinese is not in a harmonious union, I
hear you. But look at it this way; despite the cultural/language
differences among Chinese from different regions, Chinese as a whole do
coexist in reasonable harmony. Moreover, even those who are less Chinese,
such as korean-chinese, turkish-chinese, the original Manchus, etc.
coexist with Chinese with virtually no conflicts. If this were America,
probably countless LA riots would have broken out already.
There is a certain truth within every stereotype, as stereotypes, after
all, are based on some truths. If some of us Chinese have problems, they
don't have to admit it if they desire to save their faces. Nevertheless,
we must realize this problem and quietly improvise, rather than the
little matches to prove each other wrong. How else can we progress if we
keep on denouncing and hiding our wrongs?
Now, my friend Dosun, what is your opinion of this?
MoonRose13
<< Actually most Caucasians couldn't tell the different between Koreans,
Japanse,
Chinese, or Vietnamese, it's all the same to them. Just a bunch of black haired
slanted eyes people to them. You must not know American history very well if
you think they would treat Mandarin speaking Chinese any different. Also, it
seems you are splitting Chinese into two different ethnic groups, Mandarin and
Cantonese. They are the same race, same ethinicity, just different dialect.
Your views are formed from cultural biases on your own part. I would guess you
speak Mandarin yourself, it's amusing to see you bash Cantonese speaking people
as you are really just bashing your own people and thus yourself. I can imagine
you saying to white people making fun of you "Hey I'm not a Chink, I speak
Mandarin!" Like they care. >>
Please do not stereotype all Caucasians. I am a Caucasian-American woman
married to a Singaporean man. He is half Teochew and half Indonesian. He
speaks Teochew, Hokkien, a little Bahasa Indonesia, and very little Mandarin.
Our best friend in Malaysia is Cantonese. He speaks Cantonese and Bahasa
Malay.
My husband has just been in this country for a little over a year. As you can
see, not every Chinese person who immigrates to the United States speaks
Mandarin and/or Cantonese.
Love and Blessed Be,
Theresa
Dosun1
>stereotype, yet you cast me as a racist and use this advantage to attack
>Chinese people in general.
My point was not to attack Chinese and I didn't call you racist, you thought of
that on your own. I was just turning the tables on Changbo by using stereotypes
like how he used stereotypes. Let me explain what I was trying to do. My friend
Changbo here believes Mandarin people are superior to Cantonese, afterall there
is that stereotype so it must be true correct? Well I just brought up another
stereotype where all Chinese are inferior to another race, does he believe that
also or does he only believe the stereotypes where he is in the superior group?
Does he think Chinese are inferior to Caucasians since that is a stereotype
that exists? You mentioned the Cantonese are "ugly", and "dark". I see you
think light skin like Caucasians have is more beautiful than dark skin. I also
know alot of Asian have surgeries on their eyelids to make them look more like
eyes of Caucasians. So compared to Caucasians, all Chinese are ugly then like
how Cantonese are ugly compared to Mandarin? Do you agree? Changbo believes
one is true so I wonder if he thinks the other is true also.
Do you see what I am trying to show? I am not attacking Chinese, I am showing
why it is wrong to use stereotypes to classify a group of people. Changbo wants
to believes stereotypes where he is superior, but there are also stereotypes
where he is inferior so he better be careful next time he uses them.
Changbo
I never said that. I only provided analysis of what may have caused the
stereotype for the person who asked, or he d think I m making up lies. If these
analyses are too illogical or unreasonable (or harsh), do correct me.
Notice I never said "because Cantonese were usually peasant farmers, they are
inferior". I merely stated the common career path, but it seems you (not me)
associate the words "peasant, farmers, hard-lived" with inferiority.
<< does he only believe the stereotypes where he is in the superior group? >>
Noo... If I intended to trash farmers and glorifying Mandarins, how is my
purpose accomplished with the northern Mandarin farmers in the mainland and
Taiwan today?
Moreover (I don't remember clearly), I commented in this post that "I d like to
hear some stereotypes on Mandarins" in general. Why would I do this if I
intended to claim "Mandarin Superiority"?
<< Does he think Chinese are inferior to Caucasians since that is a stereotype
that exists? >>
PHysically, I believe Chinese men should be buffer and taller to be more
attractive. Mentally, Chinese culture, Chinese people's work ethic, IQ, are
fine the way it is.
<< You mentioned the Cantonese are "ugly", and "dark". >>
.... Again, ugly and dark is a statement in the stereotype! I didn't define
this. I remember once my family went to Xiang Man Lou at Milbrae. My mother's
friend inquired if the waitress is from Shanghai or Taipei. The waitress smiled
and said she is from Hong Kong. Then my mother's friend commented casually that
she has fair complexion and looks as if she is from Shanghai. The waitress then
said no no, we Cantonese are kinda darker and shorter; I can't be from
Shanghai.
Why am I telling this? 1) Cantonese == dark and shortis a stereotype since not
all Cantonese are like that, such as this pretty waitress. 2) THe stereotype
that Cantonese == dark and short does exist.
<<I see you
think light skin like Caucasians have is more beautiful than dark skin >>
I like some "golden skin look" of some tanned Caucasicans while I rather
dislike the bumpy and pale untanned look.
What does the usual comment " He is tall, dark, and handsome" say to you?
Moreover, I have purposedly gotten tanned in the past few years. What does that
say to you?
<< Asian have surgeries on their eyelids to make them look more like
eyes of Caucasians. >>
That's purely the standard of beauty defined today. In ancient times, in China
for example, best look for women is: small and long eyes, oval face, almost no
shoulder, bound feet, etc.. This standard is obviously out of style. Maybe the
Caucasian look is the trend now, but it will probably change as human beauty if
quite dynamic.
So, so what if either the "northner look" or "southner look" is not in trend
now? We all know inner beauty is the true beauty, and human flesh is like a
desert flower. If you are truely obsessed with stayiing in trend, you ll have a
very difficult life.
<< I am showing
why it is wrong to use stereotypes to classify a group of people. >>
Again, it's just a s-t-e-r-e-o-t-y-p-e.
<< there are also stereotypes
where he is inferior >>
Hmm, interesting. Please provide some examples. (Note: for fun factors only.)
Finally, I tried to answer all your comments. However, you left out a big part
of my comments to you (beggining with "there is some truth in all stereotypes
... ends with "how can we progress if we blindly prove each other wrong in
these little fights?". Try again please?
shc
"Changbo" <cha...@aol.com> wrote in message
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why??? cuz white men are the standard to live up to? cuz you think most
chinese men prefer caucasian women (cuz caucasian women are taller and thus
more attractive?)? chinese men and chinese women complement each other
perfectly; there's no need for either one to change physically.
it's precisely mentality like this that chinese people are being looked down
upon. mentally, you and a lot of chinese need to change.
you'd throw away dignity just to be in some goddamn trend?
Dosun1
>now? We all know inner beauty is the true beauty, and human flesh is like a
>desert flower.
Puleez. What a bunch of BS. You try to come off now as Mr Color blind while
just awhile ago you were sounding like a Chinese nazi. I think you have alot of
inner issues within yourself you need to examine. Your thinking that people
make fun/look down on Cantonese only and not Mandarin (and thus not yourself)
is totally incorrect. To any racist person, Chinese, Mandarin, Cantonse,
Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, etc is all the same to them.
chuck...@my-deja.com
In article <20010113115227...@ng-ch1.aol.com>,
dos...@aol.comdeleteme (Dosun1) wrote:
> >So, so what if either the "northner look" or "southner look" is not
in trend
> >now? We all know inner beauty is the true beauty, and human flesh is
like a
> >desert flower.
>
Typical. A discussion of the reasons behind Chinese resentment towards
Japanese atrocities has turned into ugly ethnic mudslinging among the
Chinese themselves.
I'm Cantonese and Hong Kong-born. Lots of younger Hongkies love
Japanese culture. But then again many of them look down on Chinese from
the Mainland. Given the choice, most would rather be caucasian but
they'll
settle for Japanese if that first is not available.
The same applies to Singapore. And to an extent in Taiwan. This
contributes to a stereotype of the overseas chinese, who are composed in
the vast majority by Southern Chinese (Cantonese, Fujianese, Hakka),
that they rather not be Chinese.
Cantonese from Guangdong and Fujianese from Fujian province in China
are a different matter entirely. Most of them hate Japanese.
> Puleez. What a bunch of BS. You try to come off now as Mr Color blind
while
> just awhile ago you were sounding like a Chinese nazi. I think you
have alot of
> inner issues within yourself you need to examine. Your thinking that
people
> make fun/look down on Cantonese only and not Mandarin (and thus not
yourself)
> is totally incorrect. To any racist person, Chinese, Mandarin,
Cantonse,
> Mandarin, Japanese, Korean, etc is all the same to them.
>
>
The Japanese racist could certainly tell the Chinese apart. Hell, they
killed 20 million of us. From what I see of Japanese culture, they see
themselves as whites, at least honorary ones. Look at their cartoons.
Japanese with big eyes and blond hair, as you say, "puhleeeeeze".
The Japanese as a people got away scot free with murder. The Germans
paid in guilt and treasure for 55 years. Japan haven't spent a penny on
compensating the genocide, enslavement, and rape of millions. The
Japanese biological warfare Unit 731 dissected live humans because the
Japanese treated our people as subhumans.
I think the youngsters of Hong Kong and Taiwan should see some of the
photos of those experiments.
miko
>
>Look at their cartoons.
>Japanese with big eyes and blond hair, as you say, "puhleeeeeze".
>
That's pretty funny considering the fact that no White person that I know looks
anything like those anime characters look like. But since I already went on
alot of off topic subjects here I won't go into the culture background and
explain anime/manga here since its not the proper newsgroup to do so.
miko
>paid in guilt and treasure for 55 years.
Too bad they didn't LEARN anything form it. Have you been to Germany lately?
Its pretty scary, there are quite a alot of Germans who still have that same
thinking mentality, fifty some years later and more recently they've been
reports were people have ACTED upon these ideas. For example there have been
attacks on non white people by German youths who would carve the Nazi symbol on
their victims foreheads. And this was just a few years ago.
>Japan haven't spent a penny on
>compensating the genocide, enslavement, and rape of millions.
You can also thank the American government for that. They came in as "saviors"
to the Far East and because of personal interests did not even bother to punish
the aggressors. Talk about being screwed over twice.
leol...@my-deja.com
MAN...an ancient race(hog wild) <anthon...@hotmail.com> wrote:
For most part of Chinese and Japanese relationship, Chinese empire
considers japanese as the most inferior people. Chinese can't
deny the fact that they never recognized the soverign state of
Japanese. It is only been 100 years Japaneses tried to fight out
of their way...It is no wonder why Japanse attacked China in WWII.
Chinese has no excuse. Whatsoever...chineses are no doubt the most
barbarous and brutal nation on Asia. Remember Confucianism is
what this relatioinship is all about.
> I remember the antijapanese sentiments of chinese connection. and
> i've seen more recent hk movies where japanese are bad people.
> but then i've also seen japanese actors in hk movies.
>
> how do chinese feel about japanese today?
>
> --
> http://thenewrepublic.com/ & http://www.newcriterion.com/
> http://www.observer.com/arts.htm
> http://www.chicagoreader.com/movies/
> http://www.villagevoice.com/film/ &
> http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Square/8781/seadevil.jpg
>
Changbo
once again.
Your numerous anti-Chinese posts everywhere seem ineffective and the contents
are illogical. Last time one guy admitted that he hates Chinese because he was
bullied by some Chinese kids when he was young;what is your story?
Changbo
The taller, buffer == sexier men standard has obviously been accepted by
Chinese for decades already, western influence or not. Besides, what is wrong
with having a more fit and healthier body?
<<mentally, you and a lot of chinese need to change.>>
Though I try to be neutral on this, I have read some articles in which kids
prefer a blond doll rather than a brunnete; bigg rather than small. If we do
ASSUME that Caucasians are indeed better looking according to the current
standard or pure media image, so what? I d be happy for their good fortune.
There is no reason to feel inferior because as I said, I believe beauty is
dynamic.
<< you'd throw away dignity just to be in some goddamn trend? >>
How does it come into play here? My attitude is definitely not similar to a
"whigger"
Changbo
just awhile ago you were sounding like a Chinese nazi >>
How many times I have to say this? I was merely repeating a stereotype the way
I have heard it. If I sounded too harsh, SORRY, I apologize.
<<Your thinking that people
make fun/look down on Cantonese only and not Mandarin (and thus not yourself)
is totally incorrect.>>
Did you read my reply? Aside from the main points, I have repeated asked people
about stereotypes on Mandarin speakers. Why would I do this if I wanted to make
Mandarins look good??
Dosun, for the second time, you still did not reply to the my last paragraph of
comments. That is basicly what I am suggesting to both of us: regardless whose
fault it is, let's quietly improvise, instead such impratical arguments.
I gotta go to sleep now. WIth your reply, we ll end this discussion.
Dosun1
>just awhile ago you were sounding like a Chinese nazi >>
>
>How many times I have to say this? I was merely repeating a stereotype the
>way
Oh! I see now you were just repeating stereotypes. Well gee, isn't that why
racism still exists? You know what, I bet you have really small penis since you
are Chinese. Sorry if I sound harsh I am merely just repeating a stereotype.
Dosun1
>ASSUME that Caucasians are indeed better looking according to the current
>standard or pure media image, so what? I d be happy for their good fortune.
You would have made a great slave.
Changbo
I just noticed as much as I try my best to answer your every question, you
still attack and respond to two lines of my replies to you. Moreover, for the
third time you fail to answer my questions to you.
So like that saying, I m playing music to a bull. Consider yourself a winner,
in BS land.
OK, time to let out your hate mail! Go on! =)
Dosun1
>Is it a taboo to even talk about it? Tell me what is insecurity.
>
>I just noticed as much as I try my best to answer your every question, you
>still attack and respond to two lines of my
Why do you call them attacks? I am just merely repeating stereotypes like you
do. Why do you take offense if I just repeat stereotypes like you do?
>replies to you. Moreover, for the
>third time you fail to answer my questions to you.
>
Because most of your rhetoric is not worth responding to and alot of it makes
no sense. "Playing music with a bull?" See what I mean? I think most of what
I'm saying is going straight over your head anyways because of the language gap
here. I can see you can't tell my sarcastic comments from my serious ones. I
don't think you have addressed any of the points I brought up, maybe you just
don't understand what I am trying to do. Let me just say you have alot of
learning left to do.
shc
> << why??? cuz white men are the standard to live up to? >>
>
> The taller, buffer == sexier men standard has obviously been accepted by
> Chinese for decades already, western influence or not. Besides, what is
wrong
true. and that's true *within* every racial/ethnic group. but don't you
realize that there's such people called chinese girls/women, who are similar
in body size/shape to their male counter parts? there're tall (relatively)
chinese men for chinese women to find.
> with having a more fit and healthier body?
here's the problem. i thought we were dealing with 'attractiveness.' but
now you seem to suggest that chinese are also less fit and less healthy. i
think you probably wouldn't think they're less fit/healthy. but you gotta
be careful with words when you do comparisons to caucasians.
> <<mentally, you and a lot of chinese need to change.>>
>
> Though I try to be neutral on this, I have read some articles in which
kids
> prefer a blond doll rather than a brunnete; bigg rather than small. If we
do
first, where're these "studies" being done? in the western world? second,
kids like to always play, eat sweets, etc....does that mean these are
qualities to be encouraged in their adulthood? third, why resort to little
kids' behavior in order to find out human's natural, genetic disposition?
> ASSUME that Caucasians are indeed better looking according to the current
> standard or pure media image, so what? I d be happy for their good
fortune.
so what?! so the presence of prejudice, stereotype, and racism...and
ultimately the disadvantage to the chinese and thus you.
> There is no reason to feel inferior because as I said, I believe beauty is
> dynamic.
could be dynamic. but that's not the heart of the matter.
abcd...@my-deja.com
>
> > > > ---------------------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Why has China so many traitors and flatterers?
> > > >
> > > > Where is chinese intellectuals?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Without democracy, we have no freedom!
> > > >
> > > > What is academic freedom?
> > > >
> > > > Academic freedom is a part of Human Rights, it means the freedom
> > > > of reading, teaching, researching, logical writing and
discussing.
> > > >
> > > > What is economics? What is New Economics? What is Knowledge
> > > > economics? Why should one study economics?....... Could you
> > > > distinguish socialism from communism?....
> > > >
> > > > Could any economist, economics-professor, or Nobel Prize
receiver
> > > > answer the following simple questions logically in open?
> > > >
> > > > 1) Is value the basis of economics? Why?
> > > >
> > > > 2) Could anybody produce your subjective value? How?
> > > >
> > > > 3) Is knowledge subjective or objective value? Why?
> > > >
> > > > 4) Where does knowledge come from? How?
> > > >
> > > > If you need to know the answer, please, look at the home page:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.angelfire.com/ga/chaok , you could find more.
> > > >
> > > > Reading without thinking is nonsense; reading without
> understanding
> > is
> > > > in vain!
> > > >
> > > > > > > > -
> > > > > > > >
> > > > Sent via Deja.com
Snarlly
true. and that's true *within* every racial/ethnic group. but don't
you
> realize that there's such people called chinese girls/women, who are
similar
> in body size/shape to their male counter parts? there're tall
(relatively)
> chinese men for chinese women to find.
I m sorry, I don't quite see your point.
>
> > with having a more fit and healthier body?
>
> here's the problem. i thought we were dealing with 'attractiveness.'
but
> now you seem to suggest that chinese are also less fit and less
healthy. i
> think you probably wouldn't think they're less fit/healthy.
fit/health is an issue as well. Evolutionarily speaking, being
taller/stronger is what is meant by survival of the FITtest. Unless
Chinese/Asians evolve to have psycokinetic powers/super agility, a
generally shorter/smaller stature will get them killed in a brawl.
Health in a sense that Chinese/Asians need to exercise more. However,
this is tremendously more difficult since most Asian countries are
already so crowded and have little sports facilities/empty space.
Moreover, heavy pollution in China is another setback.
> first, where're these "studies" being done? in the western world?
yes. Don't remember reference link. But this is believable since for
example more people prefer blondes.
second,
> kids like to always play, eat sweets, etc....does that mean these are
> qualities to be encouraged in their adulthood? third, why resort to
little
> kids' behavior in order to find out human's natural, genetic
disposition?
Though some behavior is hereditary, others are learned. I don't think
anyone can give a best explanation on whether hereditary or learned
behaviors determine the phenomenon that blondes are considered pretty.
Nevertheless, it is already an inseparable part of society.
shc
"Snarlly" <sna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:948aes$elr$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> OK, it is me again, I m just not responding to dosun.
>
> true. and that's true *within* every racial/ethnic group. but don't
> you
> > realize that there's such people called chinese girls/women, who are
> similar
> > in body size/shape to their male counter parts? there're tall
> (relatively)
> > chinese men for chinese women to find.
>
> I m sorry, I don't quite see your point.
i can't make it any clearer. i'm sorry.
> > > with having a more fit and healthier body?
> >
> > here's the problem. i thought we were dealing with 'attractiveness.'
> but
> > now you seem to suggest that chinese are also less fit and less
> healthy. i
> > think you probably wouldn't think they're less fit/healthy.
>
> fit/health is an issue as well. Evolutionarily speaking, being
> taller/stronger is what is meant by survival of the FITtest. Unless
true. but asians didn't evolve together with caucasians. like i said
before, asian men and women evolved together and therefore asian men are
tall enough for asian women. when asian women complained that asian men
aren't tall enough, it's just an excuse. if asian men are "short", then
asian women are "short" too.
> Chinese/Asians evolve to have psycokinetic powers/super agility, a
> generally shorter/smaller stature will get them killed in a brawl.
try to think of the evolution and survival of the fittest concept *within*
or *as applied for* each race.
> Health in a sense that Chinese/Asians need to exercise more. However,
> this is tremendously more difficult since most Asian countries are
> already so crowded and have little sports facilities/empty space.
> Moreover, heavy pollution in China is another setback.
asians, or people for that matter, can be "short," "thin", ugly, and what
have you, yet still be healthy. that's the point i was making.
i don't know who needs to exercise more, chinese or americans. on tv, i
always see images of old and some young chinese folks doing tai chi in parks
in the morning. but when it comes to american folks, i always see images of
old folks on wheelchairs in senior rehab centers. if you think chinese are
unhealthy, then chinese need to exercise more. but i don't think chinese
people as a whole are unhealthy, as compared to people of other nations.
but they may be shorter on average than americans though. sure, you can use
each nation's average life spans to make the comparison, but when it boils
down to individuals, the "average life-span" gauge becomes
ineffective/insignificant/meaningless; the fact that japanese are
"healthier" than americans doesn't have to mean that americans are
unhealthy.
in previous posts, we were talking about health and attractiveness only in
terms of genetics/race, not of current environment (ie. pollution, lack of
space...). although i do agree that environment can affect a population's
health, i'm not convinced that chinese people are unhealthy because china is
polluted.
> > first, where're these "studies" being done? in the western world?
>
> yes. Don't remember reference link. But this is believable since for
> example more people prefer blondes.
>
> second,
> > kids like to always play, eat sweets, etc....does that mean these are
> > qualities to be encouraged in their adulthood? third, why resort to
> little
> > kids' behavior in order to find out human's natural, genetic
> disposition?
>
> Though some behavior is hereditary, others are learned. I don't think
maybe these babies/kids should "unlearn" them when they grow up, for their
own good.
> anyone can give a best explanation on whether hereditary or learned
> behaviors determine the phenomenon that blondes are considered pretty.
> Nevertheless, it is already an inseparable part of society.
i think it is separable. just need more awareness and some intelligence.
some dignity would help too. yes, even if it's genetic, but then, human's
ability to reason and hold back natural "barbaric" instincts could also be
genetic.
wug...@home.com
the best evidence of being fittest. taller/stronger doesn't mean survival.
haven't you seen in the scientic fiction, human are much smaller? it's a
scienfic fact that human body is evolving towards a smaller physical size.
Caucasians, like monkeys, have much more body hairs than Asians, that's
another piece of evidence that Asians are in a higher stage in the evolution
process.
"Snarlly" <sna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> true. but asians didn't evolve together with caucasians. like i said
> before, asian men and women evolved together and therefore asian men are
> tall enough for asian women. when asian women complained that asian men
> aren't tall enough, it's just an excuse. if asian men are "short", then
> asian women are "short" too.
I didn't say asian women are taller than asian men. Caucasians in general
do not seem to regard Asian women as tall either, as suggested by the
stereotype "white man with tiny Asian wife".
>
> > Chinese/Asians evolve to have psycokinetic powers/super agility, a
> > generally shorter/smaller stature will get them killed in a brawl.
>
> try to think of the evolution and survival of the fittest concept *within*
> or *as applied for* each race.
Oh? Are you saying Asians and Caucasians have different standard/
definition of what is the "fittest?"
>
> > Health in a sense that Chinese/Asians need to exercise more. However,
> > this is tremendously more difficult since most Asian countries are
> > already so crowded and have little sports facilities/empty space.
> > Moreover, heavy pollution in China is another setback.
>
> asians, or people for that matter, can be "short," "thin", ugly, and what
> have you, yet still be healthy. that's the point i was making.
I agree. Still, if one excercise more, he/she is more likely to be
healthier.
>
> i don't know who needs to exercise more, chinese or americans. on tv, i
> always see images of old and some young chinese folks doing tai chi in parks
> in the morning.
Well, I only see old folks do that.
but when it comes to american folks, i always see images of
> old folks on wheelchairs in senior rehab centers. if you think chinese are
> unhealthy, then chinese need to exercise more. but i don't think chinese
> people as a whole are unhealthy, as compared to people of other nations.
Old people in general are not very bright. In reality, caucasian youths
are way more involved in sports activities than the average Asian youths.
The same can be said with the middle aged caucasian as well. Because they
exercise much more in the macholy physical sense, it is not surprising
that they may be more healthy (and strong, which may be another reason
asian girls are marrying caucasian men).
> but they may be shorter on average than americans though. sure, you can use
> each nation's average life spans to make the comparison, but when it boils
> down to individuals, the "average life-span" gauge becomes
> ineffective/insignificant/meaningless; the fact that japanese are
> "healthier" than americans doesn't have to mean that americans are
> unhealthy.
>
ok.
> in previous posts, we were talking about health and attractiveness only in
> terms of genetics/race, not of current environment (ie. pollution, lack of
> space...). although i do agree that environment can affect a population's
> health, i'm not convinced that chinese people are unhealthy because china is
> polluted.
Example: The dirty air/water in China contributes to the numerous lung/
throat diseases (whose technical names are still vague to me.). Americans
do not suffer as much because the environment is not as polluted, because
the Americas has not been inhabited for 5000+ years.
You can say Americans suffer from diseases in other areas, such as heart
attacks. However, I still believe the environment is the most crucial
because it is the most direct.
>
> > > first, where're these "studies" being done? in the western world?
> >
> > yes. Don't remember reference link. But this is believable since for
> > example more people prefer blondes.
> >
> > second,
> > > kids like to always play, eat sweets, etc....does that mean these are
> > > qualities to be encouraged in their adulthood? third, why resort to
> > little
> > > kids' behavior in order to find out human's natural, genetic
> > disposition?
> >
> > Though some behavior is hereditary, others are learned. I don't think
>
> maybe these babies/kids should "unlearn" them when they grow up, for their
> own good.
It is pretty difficult to unlearn what seems to have already become
natural to themselves and to society.
>
> > anyone can give a best explanation on whether hereditary or learned
> > behaviors determine the phenomenon that blondes are considered pretty.
> > Nevertheless, it is already an inseparable part of society.
>
> i think it is separable. just need more awareness and some intelligence.
> some dignity would help too. yes, even if it's genetic, but then, human's
> ability to reason and hold back natural "barbaric" instincts could also be
> genetic.
The probability of succeeding is equal/less than the probability that you
can get Britney Spears to dye her hair coal black like the typical Asian.
=)
sna...@hotmail.com
make.
I thought the reason Asians are shorter is because they (Chinese are the
central population) were civilized much earlier in history. Civilization
reduces the need of "survival of the strongest", and at the same time
encourages intellectual development.
As a side note. I think the reason african americans are taller is
affected by slavery. The slave owners wanted big and strong slaves for
work. The big and strong are the ones who survived, while the small and
weak were weeded out of this unnatural selection.
In article <4HIa6.240763$4U6.8...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com>,
shc
<sna...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:94fvb6$ckl$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
>
> > true. but asians didn't evolve together with caucasians. like i said
> > before, asian men and women evolved together and therefore asian men are
> > tall enough for asian women. when asian women complained that asian men
> > aren't tall enough, it's just an excuse. if asian men are "short", then
> > asian women are "short" too.
>
> I didn't say asian women are taller than asian men. Caucasians in general
> do not seem to regard Asian women as tall either, as suggested by the
> stereotype "white man with tiny Asian wife".
>
> >
> > > Chinese/Asians evolve to have psycokinetic powers/super agility, a
> > > generally shorter/smaller stature will get them killed in a brawl.
> >
> > try to think of the evolution and survival of the fittest concept
*within*
> > or *as applied for* each race.
>
> Oh? Are you saying Asians and Caucasians have different standard/
> definition of what is the "fittest?"
nope. i just meant to say asian males are very compatible with asian
females. one side has no reason to find genetic faults in the other.
i don't know what is the "fittest." brawn or brain? when brawn goes up,
does brain go down? don't know. also, survival of the fittest may be
"standardized" in both the evolutionary sense and current social sense (and
cultural?), which can be different from each other. perhaps in an
evolutionary sense, asians and caucasians have same standard of fitness
(taller/stronger=better). bad statement, but you know what i mean.
socially/culturally, there might be differences in the standard of fitness
(smarter=better, stronger/taller=better, etc.).
as someone else has mentioned, evolutionarily human beings are getting
smarter and not stronger/bigger. so i think your definition of "fitness" in
the evolutionary sense should actually also be defined by intelligence, not
just physical size/strength. however, i'm not saying that caucasians are
less intelligent or that asian are more intelligent.
> >
> > > Health in a sense that Chinese/Asians need to exercise more. However,
> > > this is tremendously more difficult since most Asian countries are
> > > already so crowded and have little sports facilities/empty space.
> > > Moreover, heavy pollution in China is another setback.
> >
> > asians, or people for that matter, can be "short," "thin", ugly, and
what
> > have you, yet still be healthy. that's the point i was making.
>
> I agree. Still, if one excercise more, he/she is more likely to be
> healthier.
of course. but that is not what you argued for.
> > i don't know who needs to exercise more, chinese or americans. on tv, i
> > always see images of old and some young chinese folks doing tai chi in
parks
> > in the morning.
>
> Well, I only see old folks do that.
>
> but when it comes to american folks, i always see images of
> > old folks on wheelchairs in senior rehab centers. if you think chinese
are
> > unhealthy, then chinese need to exercise more. but i don't think
chinese
> > people as a whole are unhealthy, as compared to people of other nations.
>
> Old people in general are not very bright. In reality, caucasian youths
> are way more involved in sports activities than the average Asian youths.
right. cuz that means health can be improved upon by exercise. not
something given to you at birth by the genes that dictate "you got asian
genes, so you're weak" or "you got caucasian genes, so you're strong." and
that's why asians should excercise more instead of always looking for
caucasians. but that's assuming caucasian youths exercise more than asian
ones do, which i'm not convinced yet. even if it's true, the effect seems
negligible to me.
old *people* aren't bright? which people, asians or caucasian? don't tell
me old caucasians aren't bright. i don't think you wanna argue for that
one.
ok. but i still wouldn't call chinese people unhealthy, cuz there's no
coutry to draw the line to separate those which are "healthy" from those
which are not.
however, in north america, it's the same environment for both asians and
caucasians, so this cannot be an argument to support your "asians are
physically inferior" claim, as most asians in north america don't just come
from china.
> You can say Americans suffer from diseases in other areas, such as heart
> attacks. However, I still believe the environment is the most crucial
> because it is the most direct.
> >
> > > > first, where're these "studies" being done? in the western world?
> > >
> > > yes. Don't remember reference link. But this is believable since for
> > > example more people prefer blondes.
> > >
> > > second,
> > > > kids like to always play, eat sweets, etc....does that mean these
are
> > > > qualities to be encouraged in their adulthood? third, why resort to
> > > little
> > > > kids' behavior in order to find out human's natural, genetic
> > > disposition?
> > >
> > > Though some behavior is hereditary, others are learned. I don't think
> >
> > maybe these babies/kids should "unlearn" them when they grow up, for
their
> > own good.
>
> It is pretty difficult to unlearn what seems to have already become
> natural to themselves and to society.
not everything is easy. it's difficult for some, while not for others. and
some just wouldn't know the difficulty level until they're brought into
awareness.
> > > anyone can give a best explanation on whether hereditary or learned
> > > behaviors determine the phenomenon that blondes are considered pretty.
> > > Nevertheless, it is already an inseparable part of society.
> >
> > i think it is separable. just need more awareness and some
intelligence.
> > some dignity would help too. yes, even if it's genetic, but then,
human's
> > ability to reason and hold back natural "barbaric" instincts could also
be
> > genetic.
>
> The probability of succeeding is equal/less than the probability that you
> can get Britney Spears to dye her hair coal black like the typical Asian.
i'm not gonna argue for the probabilities, cuz i wouldn't know.
britney spears is an individual firstly known for her singing talent, not
beauty. current miss america has southeast asian ancestry with blackish
hair, and she's a "beauty" pageant. also notice that some aspects of
intelligence have to be part of her qualification.
i'm not a britney spears fan.
dazu...@my-deja.com
miko <miko_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>In article <93je0o$86j$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, bda...@my-deja.com says...
>>
>>Of course when you are younger
>>you feel no resentment. As you get older, your identity tend to be
>>solidified and by looking back into your family, ancestral and
cultural
>>history, you will realize that the Japanese got away with murder
>>without ever have the need to apologize for it.
>
>Actually Japan did apologize for it...Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama
made one of
>the clearest apologies of any postwar Japanese leader when he
expressed "deep
>remorse" and called Japan's conquest and colonization in Asia "a
mistaken national
>policy." Here's a translation printed in newspapers all over the
world:
>
True and False, but what you said is closer to FALSE.
1) Japan NEVER formally expresses their apology in WRITING. This is
what the president Jiang requested when he visited Japan. Japan and PRC
tried to sign a communique in the visit, however since Japan clearly
refuse to write the apology down in the communique, Jiang refused to
sign the communique and kept to express Japan should apology in his
visit. Japan did make a writing apology to SK.
2) Prime Minister Tomiichi Murayama did make an oral apology. However
although he was the Prime Minister that time, he is the party of SDPJ
(Social Democratic Party of Japan) which had no much congress seats. He
became the Prime Minister by associating with other Parties which had a
lot of seats in the congress but not dominant at that time. It is very
hard to say what he said also represent other parties. Usually Japanese
leaders like to use the word 'regret' instead of 'apology'.
3) In Japan many officials including congressmen and ministers (even
some time the Prime Minister) like to visit the Shrine to pay their
respect to the guys who were enshrined and worshiped there including
those most infamous WWII war criminals.
4) The emperors (the old one even was one of the top war criminal of
WWII since he gave the permission of those invasion wars including
invading China) never say any thing likes apology.
5) Japanese government and congressmen often try to remove the fact
that Japanese crimes in WWII from the education in Japan. E.g. use the
word 'enter' to replace "invade" when talking about Japanese invasion
of China, remove the record of comfort women, ...
6) Many ppl who are denying the Japanese WWII crimes are elected as the
congressmen and officers in Japan. E.g. the Tokyo mayor denied the
Nanjing massacre and said China should be splitted.
7) Japan still is occupying China's Diao Yu Dao. The recorded history
proved those islands had been under China's sovereignty way before 1895
and they have been traditional fishing area of fishers of Taiwan,
China. Japanese never do fishing there. Japanese only touched those
islands after they robbed Taiwan from China in 1895. Japanese never
touched the islands before 1895 even in Japanese record. A few Japanese
professors do admit they belong to China, but no Chinese believe they
belong to Japan. They belong to Yilan County, Taiwan province of China.
However Japanese not only occupy those Chinese islands, but also send
gun boat there to kick Taiwan fisher away from sea near those islands
though this area are traditional fishing area of those fishers.
8) After cold war, Japan and US changed the military treaty between
them from a defense one to a offense one. They expanded their military
action area from Japanese territory to the nearby area of Japan and
intentionally refuse to exclude CHINESE territory Taiwan. They are
dreaming to invade Taiwan province again day and night. Some Japanese
congressmen and officers (like Mayor of Tokyo) even explicitly declare
the area cover Taiwan.
... ...
Above FACTS do ring a bell to the ppl of other Asia countries who were
invaded by Japan.
Have a nice day!
Dazuixia
miko
>
>... ...
>
>Above FACTS do ring a bell to the ppl of other Asia countries who were
>invaded by Japan.
>
>Have a nice day!
>
>Dazuixia
You know, I can go back and dispute some of these "FACTS" you just pointed out
AND other issues BUT since I've already posted alot of messages on this
newsgroup on the subject and some people were getting annoyed with the off
subject posts I won't bother. I'm done talking about it except for this on last
thing: as far as its educational systems goes in regards to World War II
teachings as mentioned before, because there is, finally, no retreat from global
engagement, incremental changes are occurring even in the most resistant corners
of the island country, believe me younger Japanese students are being taught
more about Japan's involving during WWII then their fathers and mothers have
before them. As for Japan trying to "take over, invade, enter" any other
country in the near future....now THAT is funny, and if you believe that ANY
Japanese realistically believes or even thinks that Japan will ever invade
another country in the futuer then THAT is even funnier, concidering the fact
that everyone knows the Japanese military arms is not one of the strongest or
powerful in the world....yes militarily, Japan may be "big" in relation to some
of the world’s countries, but it shrinks mightily when the referent is China or
the United States. Today, Japan's power lies mostly as the second largest
national economy after the United States, Japan is big in "arms" if you will in
terms of ECONOMIC power not military.
Future events of the kind your talking about above[invending one country] all
boils down to one thing and one thing only: Whatever the United States says and
does will be the rule of thumb. So if you believe the USA and its allied back
up will allow Japan or any other country for that matter invade another country
without IT[USA] having a BIG say or interest in it to begin with then people are
more fools than I original thought.
Snarlly
>
> nope. i just meant to say asian males are very compatible with asian
> females. one side has no reason to find genetic faults in the other.
>
ok, I agree and don't see it as a major problem.
I also read from times that most Caucasians (as little as 12 year olds)
take steroids. Added with the steroid-raised meat they eat, it is no
wonder they seem taller/stronger.
The white american public has really gained mucho muscles (and got
fatter) over the years. A body builder from the 60s 70s d loose by a
land slide in a mere local competition.
> > Old people in general are not very bright. In reality, caucasian
youths
> > are way more involved in sports activities than the average Asian
youths.
>
> right. cuz that means health can be improved upon by exercise. not
> something given to you at birth by the genes that dictate "you got
asian
> genes, so you're weak" or "you got caucasian genes, so you're strong."
and
> that's why asians should excercise more instead of always looking for
> caucasians. but that's assuming caucasian youths exercise more than
asian
> ones do, which i'm not convinced yet. even if it's true, the effect
seems
> negligible to me.
Sports in this country has already become a source of pride and a symbol
of sexiness.
Why do most Americans crave and play football?
and recently all the WWF garbage?
People of all ages want to be macho mentally and physically.
>
> old *people* aren't bright? which people, asians or caucasian? don't
tell
> me old caucasians aren't bright. i don't think you wanna argue for
that
> one.
I don't see any of them as very "bright". Most Cauacsian elderlies end
up either living alone or in those elderly homes anyway. What can they
do?
Why not? Compare the # of pollution induced diseases such as dissentery,
bronchitis, sinusis, worms, etc. from China and the US.
>
> however, in north america, it's the same environment for both asians
and
> caucasians, so this cannot be an argument to support your "asians are
> physically inferior" claim, as most asians in north america don't just
come
> from china.
ok, I feel you are stretching my claims a little. All I want to say is,
Caucasians seem more healthy by appearance. The reasons for that may be
that they exercise a lot more. I feel Asian people should do the same.
>
>
> i'm not gonna argue for the probabilities, cuz i wouldn't know.
>
> britney spears is an individual firstly known for her singing talent,
not
> beauty.
She IS HOT; many people would agree.
current miss america has southeast asian ancestry with
blackish
> hair, and she's a "beauty" pageant. also notice that some aspects of
> intelligence have to be part of her qualification.
Unfortunately, she still can't influence the public to define "the most
beautiful" according to her features.
The only time ever that I saw someone dye his/her hair darker was in
highschool. THis german origin girl with blonde hair dyed her hair dark
blonde. The result wasn't good... It just looked dirty.
>
> i'm not a britney spears fan.
>
I hate her.
> > >
> > > >
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<Snarlly wants those the most among others:>
JRX, brave maximus, cyclonus, scourge, triggerhappy, misfire,
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and as a reminder...
STOP wasting time
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>
>
>current miss america has southeast asian ancestry with
>blackish
>> hair, and she's a "beauty" pageant. also notice that some aspects of
>> intelligence have to be part of her qualification.
>
>Unfortunately, she still can't influence the public to define "the most
>beautiful" according to her features.
>
>The only time ever that I saw someone dye his/her hair darker was in
>highschool. THis german origin girl with blonde hair dyed her hair dark
>blonde. The result wasn't good... It just looked dirty.
I remember reading an article in a recent issue of I believe it was Madamaselle
or one of those magazines, its cover had Cameron Diaz on it talking about her
role in the Charlie's Angels movie, but anyway one of the articles that this
magazine had was how not only is Western fashion being incorporated into Asia
but in the last decade it has also been the other way around. Top named Western
fashion designers have been influenced in the past seven/eight years with Asia's
Pop culture "look" and how they incorporated that "look"[fashion, make up, and
hair style] into the certain aspects of the Western pop culture world by having
their run way models display it all over the world. It was very interesting.
I'll check to see if I still have the magazine lien around somewhere.
>>
>> i'm not a britney spears fan.
>>
>I hate her.
What's this that I'm hearing that she didn't know here Mike was one and she said
some "rude" things during the 2001 awards ceremony she was co-hosting? Is this
true or rumor?
dazu...@my-deja.com
miko <miko_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>You know, I can go back and dispute some of these "FACTS" you just
pointed out
>AND other issues BUT since I've already posted alot of messages on
this newsgroup
>on the subject and some people were getting annoyed with the off
subject posts I
>won't bother. I'm done talking about it except for this on last
thing: as far as
As I expect, you CANNOT dispute the FACTS I put in my last post since
they are FACTS. You did argue in some other posts using what your
parents suffered in Turkey. However I do not see what you posted can
disapprove the FACTS I listed in my last post, like Diao Yu Island,
Japanese government refuse the written apology to China although both
Chinese governments (ROC and PRC) gave up the war compensation
themselves to show the friendship of Chinese to Japanese, the old
emperor as one of the biggest war criminal of WWII never said apology
to Chinese, neither the new emperor, Japanese officials and congressmen
often go to the shrine where those war criminals were enshrined, Japan
expanded her treaty with US to allow Japan can take military action in
Taiwan of CHINA, ..., right?
>its educational systems goes in regards to World War II teachings as
mentioned
>before, because there is, finally, no retreat from global engagement,
incremental
>changes are occurring even in the most resistant corners of the island
country,
>believe me younger Japanese students are being taught more about
Japan's
>involving during WWII then their fathers and mothers have before
them. As for
That is your personal feeling. However did some one try to use 'enter'
to replace the 'invade' in the text book? Did some one try to remove
the comfort women facts and contribute this crime to nongovernmental
issue rather than the government issue? When Jiang was asking a written
apology, did Japanese government refuse it and many Japanese were very
unhappy for the request? Is it true that most war compensation request
raised by foreigners who suffered in Japanese invasion lost their case
in JAPANESE court? Is it true that an old Japanese soldier lost his
case in JAPANESE court since he told the TRUTH of Nanjing massacre and
was sued by other Japanese soldiers.
>Japan trying to "take over, invade, enter" any other country in the
near
>future....now THAT is funny, and if you believe that ANY Japanese
realistically
>believes or even thinks that Japan will ever invade another country in
the futuer
>then THAT is even funnier,
It is not funny for Chinese to see Japan occupying the Diao Yu islands
of China, uing the high pressure water to hit the fisherman and
protesters from Taiwan and Hong Kong in the island area, or even use
gun boat to hit the boats of those Taiwanese and HKers. It is not funny
for Chinese to see those Japanese landed on the islands to set up a
lighthouse and Japanese flag to show the Japanese sovereignty over
those Chinese land. It is not funny for Chinese to see tens of Japanese
gun boats to sail around those Chinese land to kick Chinese away from
their land but allow those Japanese rightiests to set up lighthouse and
Japanese flag.
It is not funny for Chinese to see Japan GOVERNMENT to expand her
treaty with USA to allow Japan to cooperate with US in military action
to invade Taiwan province of China. Some Japanese officials and
congressmen clearly say the so called nearby area of Japan mentioned in
the treaty including Taiwan. It is not funny to see Japan keep her
military in the second in the world and 3 times of what China used when
Japan is the country who invaded China many times in recent history
including barbaric invasions in 1895, 1931, 1937.
>concidering the fact that everyone knows the Japanese
>military arms is not one of the strongest or powerful in the
world....yes
>militarily, Japan may be "big" in relation to some of the world?s
countries, but
>it shrinks mightily when the referent is China or the United States.
Today,
Wrong. Japanese military fund is second largest in the world (only next
to USA) and 3 times that of China although Japan is the infamous war
criminal country in WWII. Japanese navy (The self-defense Fleet -
JMSDF) is one of the best in the world (and way more advanced than the
navy of China). Now JMSDF even begin to talk about to get light weight
carrier. Usually only those imperialist countries trying to expand
their force to other countries need this kind of forces, e.g. former
Japan, USA, UK, ... China never try to have her own carrier.
>Japan's power lies mostly as the second largest national economy after
the United
>States, Japan is big in "arms" if you will in terms of ECONOMIC power
not
>military.
Wrong.
Actually the FACTS are contrary with what you said above. The Japanese
military is expanding based on her second largest military fund in the
world. Only idiot will believe the second largest military fund is for
defense only, especially this country is a big criminal of WWII and
Japan has no foreseeable threat to this country now. The Japanese
ECONOMIC power is shrinking. Japanese ECONOMICS is in a pretty
bad shape for quite a while and still cannot see any good sign in the
near future.
Last year or the year before last year, Japan first time fired the gun
shot to NK boats after WWII.
>
>Future events of the kind your talking about above[invending one
country] all
>boils down to one thing and one thing only: Whatever the United
States says and
>does will be the rule of thumb. So if you believe the USA and its
allied back up
>will allow Japan or any other country for that matter invade another
country
>without IT[USA] having a BIG say or interest in it to begin with then
people are
>more fools than I original thought.
Imperialists like to gang together. In WWII, Japan ganged with NZ
Germany and Italy. Now USA is the number one bully in the world who
often invades other countries and ignores the international law, UN
charter, e.g. invasion of Yugoslavia, Sudan, Afghanistan, Chinese
embassy, Panama, Grenada, ... Japan want to follow the USA in military
actions especially in the invasion actions in Asia. That is why they
expand their military treaty from a defense one to an offense one after
cold war and Japan has less military threat since USSR has gone.
If Japan really want to give up her military expansion, she should not
expand her treaty with US to include China's territory, she should
reduce her military fund for defense only rather than the second
largest in the world. Do a sincere apology and returning robbed Chinese
territory Diao Yu islands also helps Japan quite a lot.
Have a nice weekend!