Chan as good as Biao in acrobatics
tek...@msn.com
you seen Wheels On Meals - the way Chan gets to the top of the castle,
flipping over peices of wood! Have you seen the opening to Armour Of God? Or
have you seen the way he simeltaniously gets to his feet while kicking a guy
right in his arse! Or another one from AoG 2 where he flips over a gate
without the use of his hands? Or Miracles - the way he manuevers on and
around objects in the teahouse fight scene. Or Dragon Lord where he runs up a
walls and flips in the air backwards and stomps on his opponent?! Or the
finale of the Drunken Master movies!?
Jackie Chan's acrobatic skills, in my opinion, is as just as good as Biao's.
The reason we don't always see him flip and flop as Yuen does is simply
because he seldom chorographs himself that way. In the same way he likes to
play down the execution of high kicking. Biao is still brliiant, but Chan is
just as good.
I would like to bring Samo in this arguement as well. All I want to say is on
acrobatics are watch Close Encounters Of The Spooky Kind and tell me his
acrobatics don't match Biaos. Its made all the more better when you see the
amount of weight he has on him and how utlises it in channeling his strength
thtough an arial kick.
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kari
that Yuen Biao was the action choreographer on Encounters of the Spooky Kind and
thus the level of acrobatics performed by Sammo may be to do with YB-type ideas.
A straight side-by-side comparison is possible in Knockabout, and I have to say
Yuen Biao comes off looking the more acrobatic of the two - no criticism of
Sammo, who is 7 years older and much heavier built (and can deliver a
hard-hitting grittiness which Yuen Biao can't imitate).
On the Jackie thing, all I can say is that interviewed about Wheels on Meals,
Benny Urguidez commented that in his opinion, Yuen Biao was the best acrobat of
the three 'he could do things you need to be triple-jointed to do'. Much of this
was done off-camera.
IMHO, Yuen Wah takes the crown - even allowing for the fact that I worship the
dust underneath Yuen Biao's chariot wheels! (And Yuen Biao seems to have this
view, too, judging on commetns he made in an interview for Eastern Heroes.)
Kari
FRANNY97
It's been awhile since I watched the deadliest art but isn't there an interview
in which Jackie implies that acrobatics was more of Yuen Biao's specialty or
something.
Matt Seidl
interview
>in which Jackie implies that acrobatics was more of Yuen Biao's specialty
or
>something.
Just from watching Dragons Forever, it seems like Biao's acrobatics are more
fluid, more precise, more technical--whereas Chan's acrobatic style is more
rough and tumble.
Karza
same thing. It all comes down to who "looks better". Yuean Tak was an
ok acrobat. Hsiao Ho oustanding. Although not reaaly seen that
much(featured), Yuan Wah was very good.(see To Kill a Mastermind)
As far as Chan and Biu. Biu is very far and away much better.
Jackie's body is stocky and sightly muscular. Biu is smaller framed and
lean.(see Hsiao Ho, Yuan Wah, Chu Ko, Chiang Sheng and Cheng Tien Chi)
Jackie's body fits him best for what he does. Athletic, agile type
movements. Biu does both and always looks tops. Jackie does one tops
and one ok.(he has very ugly flips but very good mvements)
Darryl Pestilence
Yu, but also the most acrobatic/versitile of the Seven Little Fortunes. I would say
though, that among the three, in the 5 second bit of Big & Little Wong Tin Bar,
Sammo was more than likely the one that would classify as Michaly (sic) Culkin
adorability. If only the fortunes were the little rascals! I digress.
Darryl Pestilence
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Jackie Chan himself said in "I am Jackie Chan" that Yuen Biao is a better
acrobat than himself. He states that Biao was a natural from the beggining
while him (Jackie) had to struggle more. He does say that he (Jakie) was
the fastest of the whole group....
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fran...@aol.com (FRANNY97) wrote:
> >Why do people always say that Biao is better than Chan in acrobatics.
>
interview
> in which Jackie implies that acrobatics was more of Yuen Biao's specialty or
> something.
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block as well as Jackie. He said this was do to the fact that yuen could not
take punches well. That was a very cool movie!
VFAT2FLY
was but I can't recall too many movies where he gets to show off,I mean he
didn't really branch out til Eastern Condors right?It's hard to say between
Biao and Chan,I've always thought that Jackie was very flexible but his
movements are shorter and compact that say,Jet Li,who is more flowing and
graceful.And of course Yuen didn't challenge himself to all the acro tricks
Jackie has done in his own films.It's clear that most of those guys can climb
up walls and do all that hackey sack type action.I think Knockabout is enough
proof of Biao's ability,he is amazing,yet I still think,he was always just
along for the ride,what could he have done had he really pushed himself.You
always get the feeling Biao is capable of more.
kari
Knockabout, where he was, I think, miscast - he has developed greatly as an actor
over the years. In films directed by Sammo, however, he is always very much 'Little
Brother', so you don't get the best of him - check out Righting Wrongs, The Iceman
Cometh, Hero, On the Run - all much more mature work, with less emphasis on simple
physicality. I have an impression that to some extent his strategy for dealing with
the difficult relationship all the ex-Fortunes have with each other is just to play
along and give what is wanted of him, without necessarily going for it all the way
(the exception is with Yuen Wah). On Dragons Forever, of course, he was in the
middle of an ego war - and responded by stealing the whole film from under the
noses of the 'Big Brothers' who he seems to have felt were doing him down. And
then, unlike Jackie or Sammo, he has never really developed a particular single
strong screen persona - he plays changes on the audience, giving different sides
and impressions. This tends to give him less impact as a 'star', but more, in my
humble opinion, versatility as an actor.
He also does the other kind of impression - he does a killing version of Corey Yuen
Kwai in Shogun & Little Kitchen, sends up Yuen Wah in Kickboxer, does a passable
Jackie in Knockabout (and a more tongue-in-cheek version in These Merry Souls),
and, like everyone else, imitates Bruce Lee at odd moments (most notably near the
beginning of These Merry Souls).
He's a complex actor; and comes over as a smart guy - part of his fascination for
me.
Kari
Simon Wyndham
<vfat...@aol.com> writes
>along for the ride,what could he have done had he really pushed himself.You
>always get the feeling Biao is capable of more.
I think its more a case of not being given the chance to do more.
Simon
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