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J.T.

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Jun 25, 2001, 12:50:24 AM6/25/01
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I just finally watched my DVD of Yes Madam... wow!
What action... Corey Yuen can sure put together some wicked action scenes...
and both ladies are dynamite!

Which other movie(s) are these two ladies in together??
I remember seeing some clip where Michele was fighting Cynthia...

I could prabably look this up on the 'net, but it's late right now :-)


J.T.


Jeff Coleman

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"J.T." <jt...@HAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I just finally watched my DVD of Yes Madam... wow!
> What action... Corey Yuen can sure put together some wicked action
scenes...
> and both ladies are dynamite!

Aren't they though! I love YES MADAM to death! There's no Michelle Yeoh,
but Cynthia Rothrock and Yuen Biao are in RIGHTING WRONGS. I believe it's
another Dickson Poon production so it feels very similar to YES MADAM.
After seeing YES MADAM I went on a little buying spree for similar movies,
and I came away with:

ROYAL WARRIORS (IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2?) Michelle Yeoh
IN THE LINE OF DUTY 3 Cynthia Khan
MAGNIFICENT WARRIORS Michelle Yeoh
INSPECTOR WEARS SKIRTS Sibelle Hu, Cynthia Rothrock

I enjoyed them all, although I enjoyed YES MADAM the most of all them.

Jeff

Davisk

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Jun 25, 2001, 11:58:11 AM6/25/01
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I liked Cynthia in 'Forbidden Arsenal'. It was weird seeing her get
romantic, even though it was done somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

How do the Moon Lee and [Yukari?] Oshima movies rate? Are they good female
fighters like Yeoh and Rothrock.

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Neil Koch

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"Jeff Coleman" <jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com> wrote in message
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>
> "J.T." <jt...@HAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kqzZ6.101814$W02.1...@news1.rdc2.on.home.com...
> > I just finally watched my DVD of Yes Madam... wow!
> > What action... Corey Yuen can sure put together some wicked action
> scenes...
> > and both ladies are dynamite!
>
> Aren't they though! I love YES MADAM to death! There's no Michelle Yeoh,
> but Cynthia Rothrock and Yuen Biao are in RIGHTING WRONGS. I believe it's
> another Dickson Poon production so it feels very similar to YES MADAM.
> After seeing YES MADAM I went on a little buying spree for similar movies,
> and I came away with:
>
> ROYAL WARRIORS (IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2?) Michelle Yeoh

"Royal Warriors" is aka "In the Line of Duty" or "Yes Madam 2". Also, just
FYI the US version of "Righting Wrongs" ("Above the Law") has a totally
different ending.

--
Neil Koch
http://www.hkfilm.net

chariotoffire007

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Jun 25, 2001, 12:35:20 PM6/25/01
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Hi.
You can go check it out on http://www.hkmdb.com/
Take care.
Bing.

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Neil Koch

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"Davisk" <davi...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> I liked Cynthia in 'Forbidden Arsenal'. It was weird seeing her get
> romantic, even though it was done somewhat tongue-in-cheek.
>
> How do the Moon Lee and [Yukari?] Oshima movies rate? Are they good
female
> fighters like Yeoh and Rothrock.

Both Moon Lee (aka Mona Lee) and Yukari Oshima (aka Oshima Yukari, Cynthia
Luster) are excellent fighters. Yukari is the better overall fighter,
having trained with Sonny Chiba's stunt team, but Moon has some impressive
moves as well, especially considering her tiny size. Unfortunately, not too
many of their films are all that good. Most of them (as per the majority of
girls-with-guns movies) were low-budget affairs, usually filmed in Thailand,
Malaysia or (especially) the Phillipines. Yukari also started doing movies
with cut-n-paste producer/director (I use those terms loosely) Godfrey Ho,
so she's billed as star of several films she's not really in except for a
couple of scenes spliced in from other movies.

Some films to check out would be:

Yukari and Moon:
"Angel" (aka "Midnight Angels", "Iron Angels")
"Kickboxer's Tears"
"Avenging Quartet"

Yukari:
"Story of Ricky" (aka "Riki-Oh")
"Millionaire's Express" (aka "Shanghai Express")

Moon:
"Heart of Dragon" (Japanese version)
"Mission Kill"
"The Protector" (Hong Kong version)
"Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain"
"Mr. Vampire"
"Winners and Sinners"

Both have retired from onscreen film work. Moon now teaches dance in Hong
Kong, and Yukari works with Sonny Chiba's stunt team in Japan. For more
info on Yukari, check this link: http://brns.com/yukari/Yukari1.html -- very
detailed bio/filmography along with reviews of most of her movies. I would
also suggest checking out Toby Russell's documentary "Top Fighter 2: Deadly
China Dolls". Even though it's not a great film overall, it does feature
interviews with Yukari and Moon as well as clips from some of their movies.

Brian Naas

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Jun 25, 2001, 7:22:02 PM6/25/01
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> Which other movie(s) are these two ladies in together??


> I remember seeing some clip where Michele was fighting Cynthia...

This was the only film in which they were together - so that scene must be
from Yes Madam though I can't recall where. Another very fun if somewhat
schlocky Cynthia HK film is Lady Reporter which is out on vcd -some
excellent action choreographed by Meng Hoi.

Brian

Ol' BattleMonkey

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"Brian Naas" <ns...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > Which other movie(s) are these two ladies in together??
>
>
> > I remember seeing some clip where Michele was fighting Cynthia...
>
> This was the only film in which they were together - so that scene must be
> from Yes Madam though I can't recall where. Another very fun if somewhat
> schlocky Cynthia HK film is Lady Reporter which is out on vcd -some
> excellent action choreographed by Meng Hoi.
>

He might be thinking of Cynthia versus Karen Shepard, a brunette in similar
aerobics-type wear, from RIGHTING WRONGS. Or maybe something between her and
Cybelle Hu from INSPECTOR WEARS SKIRTS.

LADY REPORTER, which also got released as BLONDE FURY, has some great fights
between Rothrock and Billy Chow.

--Keith

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Jeff Coleman

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Jun 25, 2001, 8:54:21 PM6/25/01
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"Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Jeff Coleman" <jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com> wrote in message
> news:QUIZ6.8747$kx3.6...@bgtnsc06-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...

> > ROYAL WARRIORS (IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2?) Michelle Yeoh


>
> "Royal Warriors" is aka "In the Line of Duty" or "Yes Madam 2". Also,
just
> FYI the US version of "Righting Wrongs" ("Above the Law") has a totally
> different ending.

What's IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2, in that case? I have ITLOD 3 and I've seen 4
and 5 in the shops, but I thought YES MADAM was IN THE LINE OF DUTY 1.

Thanks,

Jeff

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Jun 25, 2001, 9:09:11 PM6/25/01
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NONE..as far as I know..they never worked together again....but you are
right YES MADAM ROCKS big time

Davisk

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Jun 25, 2001, 11:18:30 PM6/25/01
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"Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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There were a lot of 'Angel...' movies with Yukari, but I don't recall seeing
that first one listed. Probably Tai Seng.

>
> Yukari:
> "Story of Ricky" (aka "Riki-Oh")
> "Millionaire's Express" (aka "Shanghai Express")

I've heard alot about 'Story of Ricky' in this newsgroup. It sounds cool,
but it's a little too pricey. Millionaire's Express is one movie I'd really
like to check out. It's got an all-star cast, almost like a 'who's who' of
80's Martial Arts films. I'm glad to see that it is highly recommended. I
enjoyed the clips of the film in that 'Deadliest Art' documentary.

>
> Moon:
> "Heart of Dragon" (Japanese version)
> "Mission Kill"

I own the above two - great films. 'Mission Kill' was a pleasant surprise,
because I'd never heard of it before. I bought it clearance, and the
package was all in Cantonese, so I didn't know the names of the people in
it.

> "The Protector" (Hong Kong version)
> "Zu: Warriors from the Magic Mountain"
> "Mr. Vampire"
> "Winners and Sinners"
>
> Both have retired from onscreen film work. Moon now teaches dance in Hong
> Kong, and Yukari works with Sonny Chiba's stunt team in Japan. For more
> info on Yukari, check this link: http://brns.com/yukari/Yukari1.html --
very
> detailed bio/filmography along with reviews of most of her movies. I
would
> also suggest checking out Toby Russell's documentary "Top Fighter 2:
Deadly
> China Dolls". Even though it's not a great film overall, it does feature
> interviews with Yukari and Moon as well as clips from some of their
movies.

Wow! Thanks for all that great information Neil. I'll have to archive this
message.


Davisk

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Jun 25, 2001, 11:19:54 PM6/25/01
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What is the non-US ending? I thought it was so silly that he fell out of
the plane, survived, and subsequently went to jail - and all in a span of
less than 5 minutes.


Neil Koch

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> There were a lot of 'Angel...' movies with Yukari, but I don't recall
seeing
> that first one listed. Probably Tai Seng.

"Angel" was probably the prototypical girls-with-guns movie, even moreso
than "Yes Madam", because it ditched the comedy in favor of more women
kicking ass. It was a big hit in Asia, and many later g-w-g movies latched
onto the name, whether they were a true sequel or not. What makes matters
more confusing is that the same small pool of women were used for a lot of
these movies -- which were and still are drastically cut, re-edited,
re-titled, etc. for export to western markets. For example, Arena's
"Midnight Angels" is actually "Angel" with an additional Moon Lee fight from
"Angel 3" tacked on to the beginning (to pad out the violence that they cut
elsewhere in the movie).

> I've heard alot about 'Story of Ricky' in this newsgroup. It sounds cool,
> but it's a little too pricey. Millionaire's Express is one movie I'd
really
> like to check out. It's got an all-star cast, almost like a 'who's who'
of
> 80's Martial Arts films. I'm glad to see that it is highly recommended.
I
> enjoyed the clips of the film in that 'Deadliest Art' documentary.

"Story of Ricky" is fairly widely available in US stores for pretty cheap
under the name "Riki-Oh" (Tokyo Shock).

Neil Koch

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> What's IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2, in that case? I have ITLOD 3 and I've seen
4
> and 5 in the shops, but I thought YES MADAM was IN THE LINE OF DUTY 1.

Ok, keep in mind that I keep a page of alternate titles on my site and I
find the renaming/proper placement on the "Duty" series one of the most
confusing things I have ever come across. Anyhow, "In the Line of Duty 2"
(aka "Middle Man") was the first film the series to feature Cynthia Khan as
the star. The English dubbed version has her as Michelle Yeoh's (who was
going by the surname of Khan at this point also) sister and provides an
easier transition between "Yes Madam" (which was mislabled as "In the Line
of Duty" by overseas promoters, and would be considered the "first" in the
series, even though it has nothing to do with it other than Michelle Yeoh as
a tough female cop) and "In the Line of Duty 2".

Neil Koch

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> What is the non-US ending? I thought it was so silly that he fell out of
> the plane, survived, and subsequently went to jail - and all in a span of
> less than 5 minutes.

It's more dark and violent -- it's been a while since I've seen it, so I
can't remeber specifics, but Biao ends up getting killed as well as getting
a bit of vigilante payback.

J.T.

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I remember a fight scene where Cynthis is fighting a Chinese policewoman on
the porch of a house, and Cynthia gets hand-cuffed to a pole... I am not
sure if it was Michelle Yeoh that was the policewoman...

It's prabably one of the other movies suggested...

I gotta find me them DVDs! :-)


J.T.

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Davisk

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Well, at least it's not cheesy like the US ending.


Ol' BattleMonkey

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"J.T." <jt...@HAM.yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> I remember a fight scene where Cynthis is fighting a Chinese policewoman
on
> the porch of a house, and Cynthia gets hand-cuffed to a pole... I am not
> sure if it was Michelle Yeoh that was the policewoman...

That's not a police woman -- it's Yuen Biao! And he is a vigilante while
Rothrock is the police woman. The movie is RIGHTING WRONGS, unless she did
the exact same thing in another movie.

A.C.R.O.N.Y.M.

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> I've heard alot about 'Story of Ricky' in this newsgroup. It sounds
> cool,
> but it's a little too pricey. Millionaire's Express is one movie I'd
> really
> like to check out. It's got an all-star cast, almost like a 'who's who'
> of
> 80's Martial Arts films. I'm glad to see that it is highly recommended.
> I
> enjoyed the clips of the film in that 'Deadliest Art' documentary.
>
>


You're based in Toronto, right? They stock it at W.Y. Video (just a bit
east of Spadina on Dundas). I picked up my copy for $21.95 CAN yesterday.
Pretty decent prices, and nothing beats not having to wait for a week.

http://www.wyvideo.com

Ol' BattleMonkey

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If you are getting either RICKY or MILLIONAIRE'S EXPRESS for the high level
of fighting and martial arts, you're going to be disappointed. RICKY has
pretty clumsily choreographed stuff since the focus is on gore and shock.
Yukari Oshima does very little that could be considered on par with her work
in other films. MILLIONAIRE'S EXPRESS is also mor ein line with those old
ensemble cast comedies fromt he 1960s, though when the action picks up, it's
pretty damn spectacular (and the finale is amazing). Both are worthwhile
films regardless.

My favorite Yukari Oshima fighting films are OUTLAW BROTHERS, KICKBOXER'S
TEARS, BURNING AMBITION, and ANGEL TERMINATORS II. BRAVE YOUNG GIRLS is a
sleazy film but has some good action in it, and A SERIOUS SHOCK! has Moon
and Yukari tearing into each other, as well as Yukari in a bathing suit --
porbably the most skin she's ever shown. If you are really motivated, seek
out episodes of the 1980s sentai series BIOMAN from Japan -- she was a
reoccuring villain in that during her days with Sonny Chiba's Japan Action
Club.

--Keith

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gareth young

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> I've heard alot about 'Story of Ricky' in this newsgroup. It sounds cool,
> but it's a little too pricey.

not if you pick up the hong kong version-very cheap and i believe identical
to the rather expensive US release.
it even has an english dub which due to the nature of the film actually adds
to the fun.


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leo86

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RE: the order of the IN THE LINE OF DUTY series.

I could be wrong but... here's what I've been led to believe:

IN THE LINE OF DUTY 1 = ROYAL WARRIORS, with Michelle Yeoh, Michael
Wong, Henry Sanada
IN THE LINE OF DUTY 2 = YES MADAM, with Yeoh and Rothrock, aka POLICE
ASSASSINS 2
IN THE LINE OF DUTY 3, with Cynthia Khan = no other title that I know
of.
IN THE LINE OF DUTY 4, with Donnie Yen and Cynthia Khan = no other
title that I know of
IN THE LINE OF DUTY 5, with Cynthia Khan = MIDDLE MAN

There's another C. Khan film called QUEENS HIGH, that is sometimes
referred to as ITLOD #5, but I don't think it's part of the series.
(This is the one where she's attacked at her wedding and, in full
wedding dress, picks up a machine gun and mows down the attackers.)

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Luis Canau

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 11:31:41 -0500, "Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net>
wrote:

>"Royal Warriors" is aka "In the Line of Duty" or "Yes Madam 2". Also, just
>FYI the US version of "Righting Wrongs" ("Above the Law") has a totally
>different ending.

That always confused me. So, "Yes Madam" is ITLOD II even though it
came the year before? Or there's another film called ITLOD II?

J.T.

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what??!! really?? geezzz.. I must not have been paying too much attention ..
Thanks for the info... gotta go hunt down the DVD!

J.T.


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Yes Madam is condsidered by some to be ITLOD2 because it was dubbed and
promoted as such in Europe. However, the only real similarity that I've
seen that Yes Madam holds with the series is that Michelle Yeoh was in it
and Royal Warriors (aka ITOLD1). The first movie with Cynthia Khan (aka
Middle Man) is ITOLD2, but it would be part 3 if you took Yes Madam into the
equation.

Davisk

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Cool. I'll have to check that out. Thanks.


gareth young

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"Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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> Yes Madam is condsidered by some to be ITLOD2 because it was dubbed and
> promoted as such in Europe. However, the only real similarity that I've
> seen that Yes Madam holds with the series is that Michelle Yeoh was in it
> and Royal Warriors (aka ITOLD1). The first movie with Cynthia Khan (aka
> Middle Man) is ITOLD2, but it would be part 3 if you took Yes Madam into
the
> equation.

some of the other actors are the same too playing very similar roles-the
police chief for example.
that confused me a great deal when i first saw it-i thought the 2 probably
were linked.

Jeff Coleman

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>
> some of the other actors are the same too playing very similar roles-the
> police chief for example.
> that confused me a great deal when i first saw it-i thought the 2 probably
> were linked.

I find it kind of endearing that so many Dickson Poon and P&B productions
movies have such similar elements. In a way it's like the "house style" of
Shaw in the 70's, with the studio players often the same people in the
background...

Jeff


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Neil,

<< Both have retired from onscreen film work. Moon now teaches dance in
Hong Kong, and Yukari works with Sonny Chiba's stunt team in Japan. >>

I saw ( Moon ) Lee Choi Fung in a TV series in early 1999 from Taiwan. I
have asked around, but so far I seem to be the only one who has see it.
It was on a station we used to get called World TV.

The show in Mandarin, with no Eng. subs.,( so I never knew what it was
called ) was about the trials & tribulations of 5 police women, one of
whom was Moon.

g8

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Some more Moon/Yukari team-ups:

"Dreaming the Reality"
"Angel Terminators"
"Beauty Investigator"
"Yes Madam:a Serious Shock"/aka "Death Triangle" ( Which features not
only Moon & Yukari, but Cynthia Khan as well )

Also with Moon:

"Killer Angels"
"Angel Force"

BTW: if U can get it, the un-cut subtitled version of "Angel"/aka
"Midnight Angels" features one of the best & most brutal Moon vs Oshima
fights.

g8

Neil Koch

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Really? That's cool, I really wish she would return to film work. I just
watched "Martial Angels" and it would have been so much better if they had
people like Moon in it (who have actual training) vs. actors like Hsu Chi,
who looks as if she would be defeated by a strong gust of wind.

Luis Canau

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On Mon, 25 Jun 2001 22:56:35 -0500, "Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net>
wrote:

>"Story of Ricky" is fairly widely available in US stores for pretty cheap


>under the name "Riki-Oh" (Tokyo Shock).

And in HK stores too www.hivizone.com, www.dddhouse.com
It's the same disc, compare the prices just in case.

Luis Canau

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On Tue, 26 Jun 2001 22:23:31 -0500, "Neil Koch" <nk...@qwest.net>
wrote:

>The first movie with Cynthia Khan (aka


>Middle Man) is ITOLD2, but it would be part 3 if you took Yes Madam into the

>equation. [...]

I also thought Middle Man was number 5 or... around that.
Now Hong Kong Legends is apparently releasing a film simply titled "In
the Line of Duty" and it seems to have Donnie Yen and Cynthia Khan on
the sleeve.... (Part IV?)

Neil Koch

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Yes, I think I have to eat my words now. I thought Middle Man was part 2
because I thought it was an 1987 film, however according to the HKMDB, it
came out in 1990 and the HK DVD cover has it as ITLOD5: Middle Man... guess
I should have done some more research. So now I am doing a 180 and
including Yes Madam as part of the ITLOD equation. So here goes today's
order for the movies:

ITLOD1 = Royal Warriors (1986)
ITLOD2 = Yes Madam (1985) -- this is sometimes called ITLOD 1 because it
came out first chronologically.
ITLOD3 = Force of the Dragon (1988) -- called Yes Madam 2 in some
territories; this was the first film to come out in Hong Kong with the ITLOD
name. It was also the first movie featuring Cynthia Khan; some international
prints and their related promotions had her as Michelle Yeoh's sister (Yeoh
was going under then name Michelle Khan at the time) and so Royal Warriors
and Yes Madam were released as ITLOD1 and 2 in Europe -- subsequent
pressings of HK media (VHS/DVD) also incorporate the name.
ITLOD4 = Witness (1989) -- this also goes by the name of Survival or Key
Witness; in the UK, this is packaged on DVD as ITLOD1. It's easy to spot
the difference becuase Donnie Yen (who does not appear in any of the other
movies in the series) stars in it.
ITLOD5 = Middle Man (1990) -- this was released on video as ITLOD2 in some
countries. An inaccurate listing at the old Stanford database and the book
"Asian Cult Cinema" also further the confusion.
ITLOD6 = Forbidden Arensal (1991)
ITLOD7 = Sea Wolves (1991)
The movie Queens High is sometimes marketed as ITLOD5 as a prequel to the
series, but it really has nothing to do with it (Cynthia Khan actually plays
a villain, not a cop in the movie).

Neil Koch
http://www.hkfilm.net


Jeff Coleman

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Wow. Nice research, Neil! Who's seen ITLOD 6 and 7? Who's in them, how
are they?

Jeff

>
> Neil Koch
> http://www.hkfilm.net
>
>


Neil Koch

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> Who's seen ITLOD 6 and 7? Who's in them, how are they?

ITLOD6 has Cynthia Khan, Waise Lee and Philip Kwok, who also did the action
direction I think. Pretty standard girls-with-guns stuff; kind of boring
for most of the movie but a real good finale. The emphasis is a bit more on
gunplay vs hand to hand combat.

ITOLD7 has Cynthia and Simon Yam in a story about modern day pirates. It's
a pretty good movie -- nothing outstanding, but the script is halfway
intelligent and the action is good.

Both movies are worth a look if you're into girls-with-guns stuff.

Jeff Coleman

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Thanks Neil! I'll check them out, sounds like they might be fun...

Jeff

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Luis Canau

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 06:13:18 GMT, "Jeff Coleman"
<jcol...@NOSPAMhandofgod.com> wrote:

>Wow. Nice research, Neil! Who's seen ITLOD 6 and 7? Who's in them, how
>are they?

I did, in the days I was digging old titles on my video store (around
50 cents a rental). And I actually watched some reframed (ugh) and
dubbed (uuugh) films, including "Sea Wolves" and "Forbidden Arsenal".
I remember a couple of impressive fight scenes, but this together with
other films I saw by the same time, all seemed to have
- Cynthia Khan;
- some good fight scenes;
- to much time spent with uninteristing things;
- everybody would run into some wharehouse to fight with everybody
else when the movie was ending.

I believe Donnie Yen was in "Sea Wolves"...? "Arsenal" has Khan with a
cop from Taiwan and other from Mainland China. The one from Taiwan is
played by Waise Lee. The characters are annoying at times. But then I
can't really enjoy dubbed films.

Among this package I also saw Madame City Hunter, Queens High (I think
it had another onscreen title), Yes Madam: A Serious Shock, the other
one with Joice Godenzi and Carina Lau, and a couple of others more.

Devil Plaything

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On what grounds is "Yes Madam!" determined to come after "Royal Warriors"?
YM felt more like the first in the series to me, which conveniently matches
the chronology...


Neil Koch

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> On what grounds is "Yes Madam!" determined to come after "Royal Warriors"?
> YM felt more like the first in the series to me, which conveniently
matches
> the chronology...

It was more of a marketing decision than anything to put over Cynthia Khan
to international audiences, 1 (Royal Warriors) introduces Michelle Yeoh
(going under the name Khan at the time), 2 (Yes Madam) introduces Cynthia
Rothrock, and 3 intros Cynthia Khan. It doesn't make much sense to me
either.

J.T.

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Wasn't Michelle Khan the married name of Michelle Yeoh?
Also, didn't the actress pick the name Cynthia Khan as a tribute to Cynthia
Rothrock and Michelle Khan?
I read this somewhere....


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Neil Koch

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> Wasn't Michelle Khan the married name of Michelle Yeoh?

Michelle was married to Dickson Poon, so I don't think so.

> Also, didn't the actress pick the name Cynthia Khan as a tribute to
Cynthia
> Rothrock and Michelle Khan?
> I read this somewhere....

The name was picked by Dickson Poon and other producers at D&B to piggyback
on the success of Yeoh/Khan and Rothrock. She was originally selected for
the role for her similarity to Yeoh (in the looks department) than anything
else.

Brian Naas

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No - Michelle Khan was strictly her movie name and only in the West. If you
watch Yes Madam she is actually credited as Michelle Kheng in the film
itself. She has mentioned in an interview that she had no idea for a long
while that she was known as Michelle Khan in the West and when she returned
to filmmaking after her divorce from Dickson Poon (who produced all her
early films), she insisted on using Yeoh - her real name.

For a lot of info on her life - check out this excellent web site dedicated
to her.

http://owl.usc.edu/~hding/main.html

As to Cynthia - again the name Cynthia Khan was a marketing ploy only in the
west - chosen by D&B to bring attention to her - and was taken from Michelle
and Rothrock.


Brian

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