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Michael - Pat Boone hosting on 50s Gold (SiriusXM)
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NancyGene
Mar 22, 2022, 12:40:13 PM3/22/22
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We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
Pat Boone Hour
Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
Tue 10 pm
Thu 2 pm
Sat 3 pm
Sun 12 pm
Pat Boone Hour
Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
Tue 10 pm
Thu 2 pm
Sat 3 pm
Sun 12 pm
Will Dockery
Mar 22, 2022, 12:54:53 PM3/22/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Mar 22, 2022, 1:41:26 PM3/22/22
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
Zod
Mar 22, 2022, 5:23:27 PM3/22/22
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W-Dockery
Mar 25, 2022, 1:45:26 PM3/25/22
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Michael Pendragon
Mar 25, 2022, 2:26:27 PM3/25/22
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Michael Pendragon
"You write spam, Dockery. Spam. You write 200 posts a day without a
single interesting thought in them. You think you have the right to
flood countless groups with this Spam because...well, eh,...because.....
because you like to call yourself a poet." -M.H. Benders
W.Dockery
Mar 25, 2022, 4:25:12 PM3/25/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
>> >> >
>> >> > Pat Boone Hour
>> >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
>> >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
>> >> >
>> >> > Tue 10 pm
>> >> > Thu 2 pm
>> >> > Sat 3 pm
>> >> > Sun 12 pm
>> >> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
>> >>
>> >> 🙂
>>
>> > Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
>> That was amusing.
> Desperate for attention, Donkey?
Not at all, Monkey, just having a laugh.
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
>> >> >
>> >> > Pat Boone Hour
>> >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
>> >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
>> >> >
>> >> > Tue 10 pm
>> >> > Thu 2 pm
>> >> > Sat 3 pm
>> >> > Sun 12 pm
>> >> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
>> >>
>> >> 🙂
>>
>> > Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
>> That was amusing.
> Desperate for attention, Donkey?
:)
Zod
Mar 26, 2022, 5:15:12 PM3/26/22
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W-Dockery
Mar 29, 2022, 2:20:12 PM3/29/22
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Michael Pendragon
Mar 29, 2022, 3:11:32 PM3/29/22
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Little Richard's records *made* money *because* Pat Boone's covers made them accessible to white, middle class audiences.
Michael Pendragon
"It is simply telling my story, which will be told... My way."
-- Will Dockery, on the art of creative autobiography
Will Dockery
Mar 29, 2022, 3:25:45 PM3/29/22
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On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
> > >> >
> > >> > Pat Boone Hour
> > >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
> > >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
> > >> >
> > >> > Tue 10 pm
> > >> > Thu 2 pm
> > >> > Sat 3 pm
> > >> > Sun 12 pm
> > >> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > >>
> > >> 🙂
> >
> > > Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
> > That was amusing.
> Desperate for attention, Donkey?
No, just having a laugh about Pat Boone.
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:
> >
> > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
> > >> >
> > >> > Pat Boone Hour
> > >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
> > >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
> > >> >
> > >> > Tue 10 pm
> > >> > Thu 2 pm
> > >> > Sat 3 pm
> > >> > Sun 12 pm
> > >> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > >>
> > >> 🙂
> >
> > > Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
> > That was amusing.
> Desperate for attention, Donkey?
🙂
Zod
Mar 29, 2022, 4:48:53 PM3/29/22
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General-Zod
Mar 31, 2022, 1:10:13 PM3/31/22
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W.Dockery
Apr 4, 2022, 1:30:13 PM4/4/22
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NancyGene
Apr 4, 2022, 2:04:27 PM4/4/22
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Boone has an easy, appealing speaking style, in contrast to some we have heard on the stations. Neil Sedaka was so stiff he must have been reading every word, which reminds us that Pat Boone mentioned that Sedaka and Carole King had been high school sweethearts, and Sedaka wrote "Oh! Carol" for her.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 4, 2022, 3:47:04 PM4/4/22
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NancyGene
Apr 4, 2022, 4:10:44 PM4/4/22
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Zod
Apr 4, 2022, 4:24:40 PM4/4/22
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
>
> 🙂
Pat Boones' best song....
>
> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
>
> 🙂
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
NancyGene
Apr 7, 2022, 3:42:27 PM4/7/22
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Boone also played an alternate version of Frank Sinatra's "I'm a Fool to Want You." The version that we are familiar with is the one from the album "Where are You?" which is the gold standard. The one that was played this afternoon has Sinatra accompanied by the Ray Charles Singers. When the heavenly voices showed up (dramatically) at 2:33, we cringed. This is an example of over-arranging a song, and it hurts the song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIRRE7UYI-M
Zod
Apr 7, 2022, 7:02:46 PM4/7/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 7, 2022, 7:31:18 PM4/7/22
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NancyGene
Apr 7, 2022, 7:40:13 PM4/7/22
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV9OcYhk4CU
Every heartbreak, every tear is in that song.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 7, 2022, 7:48:44 PM4/7/22
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Thanks, NancyGene.
NancyGene
Apr 7, 2022, 8:12:41 PM4/7/22
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We are fond of the title song of "Where are You?" at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0aPYXAn3u0
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Edward Rochester Esq.
Apr 7, 2022, 8:23:25 PM4/7/22
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Will Dockery
Apr 7, 2022, 9:16:24 PM4/7/22
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😉
Will Dockery
Apr 8, 2022, 2:23:36 AM4/8/22
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General Zod
Apr 8, 2022, 4:23:24 PM4/8/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 8, 2022, 11:28:17 PM4/8/22
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This brave and ancient land to me
And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
Then I see a land where children can run free.
So take my hand and walk this land with me
And walk this lovely land with me
Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
With the help of God, I know I can be strong
To make this land our home
If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
Until I die, this land is mine."
Dead men should adhere to the stereotype and tell no tales.
Michael Pendragon
"I know an obsessed teollisuuden Wien I see one."
-- Will Dockery, dry drunk.
Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 1:27:01 AM4/9/22
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On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 5:49:12 AM4/9/22
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🙂
Ash Wurthing
Apr 9, 2022, 10:06:02 AM4/9/22
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Keep stoking 'em Pendragon! Now that they think they have the upper hand, they're showing their true nasty maliciousness for everyone to see. Don't you love it when a plan comes together?
Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 10:12:08 AM4/9/22
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On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 10:06:02 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
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> Keep stoking 'em Pendragon! Now that they think they have the upper hand
In Little Richard vs. Pat Boone?
>
> Keep stoking 'em Pendragon! Now that they think they have the upper hand
🙂
Zod
Apr 9, 2022, 4:06:27 PM4/9/22
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On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > 🙂
> > > > Pat Boones' best song....
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > >
> > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > Written by John Stewart.
> > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> This brave and ancient land to me
> And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> Then I see a land where children can run free.
> So take my hand and walk this land with me
> And walk this lovely land with me
> Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> To make this land our home
> If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> Until I die, this land is mine."
That truly sucks as a song lyric.... ha ha ha......
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > >
> > > > > 🙂
> > > > Pat Boones' best song....
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > >
> > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > Written by John Stewart.
> > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> This brave and ancient land to me
> And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> Then I see a land where children can run free.
> So take my hand and walk this land with me
> And walk this lovely land with me
> Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> To make this land our home
> If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> Until I die, this land is mine."
Ash Wurthing
Apr 9, 2022, 6:25:49 PM4/9/22
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Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 7:17:55 PM4/9/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 9, 2022, 8:21:27 PM4/9/22
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Michael Pendragon
"I would posit 13/14 as being an area where rational consent is possible, but anything younger while possible, is not advisable."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen "Pickles" Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg's having had sex with 14-year old boys]
Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 11:38:19 PM4/9/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 9, 2022, 11:42:46 PM4/9/22
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I'm sure that most AAPC members would agree.
Michael Pendragon
"Metaphysics IS poetry."
Will Dockery
Apr 9, 2022, 11:49:38 PM4/9/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 10, 2022, 12:28:01 AM4/10/22
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Why are you such an ignorant jackass, Donkey?
Michael Pendragon
"I don't pop pills unless there's no other alternative... being drug free for a few years now, you know."
-- Will Dockery, on being clean and sober… except when he isn't.
Will Dockery
Apr 10, 2022, 12:43:47 AM4/10/22
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W.Dockery
Apr 10, 2022, 7:30:14 AM4/10/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:49:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boones' best song....
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
>> > > > > > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
>
> > > > > > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
>
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:49:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boones' best song....
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
>> > > > > > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
>
> > > > > > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
>
>> The best Pat Boone songs were written by Little Richard anyhow.
> Pat Boone recorded a grand total of three Little Richard songs -- and they were far from his best recordings.
You're not a good judge since you're on record as not being impressed with Little Richard's music.
> Pat Boone recorded a grand total of three Little Richard songs -- and they were far from his best recordings.
Others would say that those three songs are easily the best of Pat Boone.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 10, 2022, 10:52:33 AM4/10/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> God love's me, my friends, because I'm white, like Him
> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
Mr. Boone's lyrics were written for the instrumental theme from "Exodus," and are about the founding of Israel.
> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
Mr. Boone's lyrics were written for the instrumental theme from "Exodus," and are about the founding of Israel.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 10, 2022, 10:53:16 AM4/10/22
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Michael Pendragon
"His trash will be composted."
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Ash Wurthing
Apr 10, 2022, 11:50:54 AM4/10/22
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Little Richard didn't write songs for Pat Boone as far I know, Pat Boone covered Little Richard songs which means they were Little Richard songs performed by Pat Boone, not Pat Boone's songs. And you claim to be a musician?
Ash Wurthing
Apr 10, 2022, 11:54:01 AM4/10/22
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Will Dockery
Apr 10, 2022, 1:03:58 PM4/10/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> God love's me, my friends, because I'm white, like Him
> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
Manifest Destiny.
> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
General Zod
Apr 10, 2022, 3:17:26 PM4/10/22
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Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
Song
Tutti Frutti
Artist
Little Richard
Album
Tutti Frutti
Song
Tutti Frutti
Artist
Pat Boone
Album
Introducing Pat Boone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
Song
Tutti Frutti
Artist
Little Richard
Album
Tutti Frutti
Song
Tutti Frutti
Artist
Pat Boone
Album
Introducing Pat Boone
Will Dockery
Apr 10, 2022, 11:20:26 PM4/10/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 8:39:35 AM4/11/22
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It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
Pat Boone's version features a killer sax break which (along with PB's voice) places it far above LR's IMHO.
But what's the point of arguing over this in a poetry group? If you want to gush over Little Richard records, go to the 50s grouip.
Michael Pendragon
“You never watched foreign movies and read the English subtitles..? ?
You read the film as you would, say, a comic book....”
-- George “Stink” Sulzbach, career pissbum
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 10:18:36 AM4/11/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 10:55:48 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Same difference.
I disagree.
The Jewish people were indigenous to Israel. They were forcibly removed from their homeland by the Romans in 70 CE. The founding of modern Israel would be analogous to a sizeable portion of the American Midwest being returned to Native Americans and granted sovereignty as an independent country.
The line "God gave this land to me" refers directly to the Biblical book of Exodus. Mr. Boone says "to me" because in Jewish tradition one speaks of the Exodus in the first person as it pertains to all Jews past, present and future.
Note the following passage from the Passover Seder:
"The wicked son asks 'What is this service to you?!' He says `to you,' but not to him! By thus excluding himself from the community he has denied that which is fundamental. You, therefore, blunt his teeth and say to him: 'It is because of this that the L‑rd did for me when I left Egypt'; for me - but not for him! If he had been there, he would not have been redeemed!"
I disagree.
The Jewish people were indigenous to Israel. They were forcibly removed from their homeland by the Romans in 70 CE. The founding of modern Israel would be analogous to a sizeable portion of the American Midwest being returned to Native Americans and granted sovereignty as an independent country.
The line "God gave this land to me" refers directly to the Biblical book of Exodus. Mr. Boone says "to me" because in Jewish tradition one speaks of the Exodus in the first person as it pertains to all Jews past, present and future.
Note the following passage from the Passover Seder:
"The wicked son asks 'What is this service to you?!' He says `to you,' but not to him! By thus excluding himself from the community he has denied that which is fundamental. You, therefore, blunt his teeth and say to him: 'It is because of this that the L‑rd did for me when I left Egypt'; for me - but not for him! If he had been there, he would not have been redeemed!"
Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 10:22:18 AM4/11/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:52:50 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Do I detect a hint of homophobia? No? I didn't think so, but your statement could be easily misinterpreted, Michael. Some like it hard, others soft. Not that there's anything wrong with that.
Let's just say it's an intended dig at Will and Stink's homophobia.
“… giggling
at the gay guys
outside Sweet Gum Head bar
two green haired
punk rock boys
kissing…”
-- Will Dockery
“It was not a gay lame as the language was respectful.....!!”
-- George “Stink” Sulzbach
Let's just say it's an intended dig at Will and Stink's homophobia.
“… giggling
at the gay guys
outside Sweet Gum Head bar
two green haired
punk rock boys
kissing…”
-- Will Dockery
“It was not a gay lame as the language was respectful.....!!”
-- George “Stink” Sulzbach
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 11:34:55 AM4/11/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 10:33:54 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Too bad for the indigenous peoples of this continent that the Lord didn't leave any written trace of a covenant for them. Savages.
God's word only gets you so far. Israel's been defending her right to exist from the time of her establishment to the present -- and will probably never know peace.
The Native Americans could certainly adopt Mr. Boone's song as an anthem for themselves. That's one of the things that makes it such a powerful lyric -- it expresses the way that most people feel about their land.
God's word only gets you so far. Israel's been defending her right to exist from the time of her establishment to the present -- and will probably never know peace.
The Native Americans could certainly adopt Mr. Boone's song as an anthem for themselves. That's one of the things that makes it such a powerful lyric -- it expresses the way that most people feel about their land.
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Will Dockery
Apr 11, 2022, 12:58:40 PM4/11/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:39:35 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> > >
> > > Song
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > > Artist
> > > Little Richard
> > > Album
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > >
> > > Song
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > > Artist
> > > Pat Boone
> > > Album
> > > Introducing Pat Boone
> > No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
Your ignorance and bigotry is showing.
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> > >
> > > Song
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > > Artist
> > > Little Richard
> > > Album
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > >
> > > Song
> > > Tutti Frutti
> > > Artist
> > > Pat Boone
> > > Album
> > > Introducing Pat Boone
> > No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
>
> It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
>
> Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 1:43:58 PM4/11/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:58:08 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yes, the love of one's land over the love of one's fellow human beings has been very beneficial. That's why it's so entertaining to read history and watch Putin's land grab unfold in Ukraine. It's another "holy" war. For lands sake. The invasion is fully embraced by Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church.
>
"Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin' for, worth fightin' for, worth dyin' for -- because it's the only thing that lasts." -- Gerald O'Hara (a fictional slave owner and CSA supporter)
As much as we all want to see ourselves, and one another, as individuals, it's impossible to separate ourselves entirely from our home, our town, and our country. Along with their durability, they also represent something bigger than ourselves -- something wherein we recognize our roles in sustaining a social community whose collective needs supersede our personal ones.
Ideally, we should all come to recognize that the planet Earth is our land, and that we are all part of the same global community -- but that will not happen until various countries of the world band together under a single government: one world - one people.
I agree with H.G. Wells that the key to world peace lies in education. Most educated people gravitate toward a humanistic p.o.v. wherein territorial disputes seem far less important than the human lives lost fighting over them. Will it happen in our lifetime? Probably not. But the world outrage against Putin is yet another indication that more and more people are beginning to think on a global, rather than a national, scale.
>
"Why, land is the only thing in the world worth workin' for, worth fightin' for, worth dyin' for -- because it's the only thing that lasts." -- Gerald O'Hara (a fictional slave owner and CSA supporter)
As much as we all want to see ourselves, and one another, as individuals, it's impossible to separate ourselves entirely from our home, our town, and our country. Along with their durability, they also represent something bigger than ourselves -- something wherein we recognize our roles in sustaining a social community whose collective needs supersede our personal ones.
Ideally, we should all come to recognize that the planet Earth is our land, and that we are all part of the same global community -- but that will not happen until various countries of the world band together under a single government: one world - one people.
I agree with H.G. Wells that the key to world peace lies in education. Most educated people gravitate toward a humanistic p.o.v. wherein territorial disputes seem far less important than the human lives lost fighting over them. Will it happen in our lifetime? Probably not. But the world outrage against Putin is yet another indication that more and more people are beginning to think on a global, rather than a national, scale.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 1:46:58 PM4/11/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 12:58:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:39:35 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> > > >
> > > > Song
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > > Artist
> > > > Little Richard
> > > > Album
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > >
> > > > Song
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > > Artist
> > > > Pat Boone
> > > > Album
> > > > Introducing Pat Boone
> > > No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> > Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
> Your ignorance and bigotry is showing.
> >
> > It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
> >
> > Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
> Funny, you said the same thing about Bob Dylan.
What's funny about it? I can't stand Joe Cocker's voice, or Janis Joplin's either. And while I can appreciate some falsetto, the Bee Gees get on my nerves as well.
> On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 8:39:35 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> > > >
> > > > Song
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > > Artist
> > > > Little Richard
> > > > Album
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > >
> > > > Song
> > > > Tutti Frutti
> > > > Artist
> > > > Pat Boone
> > > > Album
> > > > Introducing Pat Boone
> > > No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> > Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
> Your ignorance and bigotry is showing.
> >
> > It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
> >
> > Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
> Funny, you said the same thing about Bob Dylan.
Michael Pendragon
"He's not even a troll anymore, he's more like an automation, some kind of spambot."
-- Will Donkey, reminiscing about his favorite selection at the Automat.
Ash Wurthing
Apr 11, 2022, 2:18:13 PM4/11/22
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*Anon is facepalming, people just had to get Ash started*
"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it."
~~ Cool Hand Luke
"What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Some men, you just can't reach.
So you get what we had here last week -- which is the way he wants it.
Well, he gets it."
~~ Cool Hand Luke
Will Dockery
Apr 11, 2022, 2:18:20 PM4/11/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 2:51:50 PM4/11/22
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Words matter. Find out what they mean and learn how to use them correctly.
Michael Pendragon
"(W)hen... I was banned... I decided that the time was definitely right to leave."
-- Will “Sour Grapes” Dockery, on his decision to stop participating in "The Sunday Sampler"
W-Dockery
Apr 11, 2022, 3:45:12 PM4/11/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
>> >
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Little Richard
>> > Album
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> >
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Pat Boone
>> > Album
>> > Introducing Pat Boone
>> No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
> It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
> Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
> Pat Boone's version features a killer sax break which (along with PB's voice) places it far above LR's IMHO.
> But what's the point of arguing over this in a poetry group? If you want to gush over Little Richard records, go to the 50s grouip.
Tell that to Nancy Gene, then, who started this silly Pat Boone thread here.
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:20:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 3:17:26 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
>> >
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
>> >
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Little Richard
>> > Album
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> >
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Pat Boone
>> > Album
>> > Introducing Pat Boone
>> No contest, Richard wins hands down.
> Tutti Frutti is a poorly written song regardless of its singer.
> It figures that you and Stinky would be into it since in Little Richard's original lyric, it was about homosexual sodomy.
> Little Richard's voice grates on my ears.
> Pat Boone's version features a killer sax break which (along with PB's voice) places it far above LR's IMHO.
> But what's the point of arguing over this in a poetry group? If you want to gush over Little Richard records, go to the 50s grouip.
:)
Zod
Apr 11, 2022, 3:50:14 PM4/11/22
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Pat Boone wrote a Rodney King inspired song but shelved it until the 2020 protests.
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/10/05/pat-boone-wrote-a-rodney-king-inspired-song-but-shelved-it-until-the-2020-protests-now-its-gone-viral/
************As Pat Boone watched the protests and clashes nationwide after George Floyd’s death in police custody in May, the 86-year-old singer thought about a song he’d written but never released nearly 30 years ago following the acquittal of Los Angeles police officers in the beating of Rodney King.
“In some ways, it was worse,” Boone says of the protests that erupted in South Los Angeles before spreading to other parts of the city in the days that followed. “From the window in my office, it looked like we’d been bombed in some invasion, smoke columns rising, and it was just terrible.”**************
https://www.ocregister.com/2020/10/05/pat-boone-wrote-a-rodney-king-inspired-song-but-shelved-it-until-the-2020-protests-now-its-gone-viral/
************As Pat Boone watched the protests and clashes nationwide after George Floyd’s death in police custody in May, the 86-year-old singer thought about a song he’d written but never released nearly 30 years ago following the acquittal of Los Angeles police officers in the beating of Rodney King.
“In some ways, it was worse,” Boone says of the protests that erupted in South Los Angeles before spreading to other parts of the city in the days that followed. “From the window in my office, it looked like we’d been bombed in some invasion, smoke columns rising, and it was just terrible.”**************
Michael Pendragon
Apr 11, 2022, 4:06:00 PM4/11/22
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I do have a problem with your attempt to turn this into an argument that could run on for thousands of posts without ever reaching a resolution.
Michael Pendragon
“I will electrocute the minds of poetry readers…!”
-- George “General Stink” Sulzbach
General-Zod
Apr 11, 2022, 4:10:12 PM4/11/22
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Dave Marsh nailed Pendragon the racist Pinhead long time ago:
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Dean F.
5/29/03
Some time ago, Diane suggested that I e-mail my acquaintance, rock critic/journalist Dave Marsh, about Scarlotti. I never actually did it, though, until last night. I'm still not sure why; perhaps Scarlotti's alternate-universe dissection of "Sh-Boom" was the final straw.
Whatever the case, last night I conducted a Google search, from which I cut and pasted a half-dozen or so of what I considered vintage Scarlotti postings. I also provided Marsh with some background info on the situation in our newsgroup, and asked if he would consider reading the material I was enclosing and commenting on it.
Not only did Dave comment, but he did so in a fair amount of detail. His e-mail to me is below. Hope you enjoy!
--D.F.
Feel free to circulate this:
You can't actually argue with a white supremacist. They can't afford to admit error in any detail, otherwise their entire pseudo-intellectual house of cards falls apart. For the benefit of anyone who isn't a cement-headed bigot, I offer the following:
The Orioles had TWO big pop chart hits ("It's Too Soon to Know" #13, "Crying in the Chapel" #11 by the reckoning of Joel Whitburn's Pop Memories 1890-1954; I know of no scholar of pop music in America who considers this anything but definitive). The influence of the Orioles on early doo-wop is obvious to anyone who bothers to listen--as is the influence of the Ink Spots, whose approach is to my ear considerably different, having in the first place much less gospel to it. However, since Scarlotti virtually boasts of not bothering to listen, who can refute his ignorant ass?
"Who put the R&B style into the mainstream" is pretty well documented. It wasn't the Ink Spots. I'd suggest that anyone who is interested-this wouldn't include Scarlotti of course, because to He Whom All Things Are Already Revealed, mere scholarship would be demeaning-read the account by Philip H. Ennis, a Columbia University sociologist, in The Seventh Stream. Ennis was there at the time, he studied the thing in greater depth than anyone else, he does not discount white pop at all (in fact, he includes some streams-e.g., Latin, at least by incorporation-that virtually no one else does). Also see Gillett's The Sound of the City and Charles Hamm's Yesterdays. (I would like to see Scarlotti try to discredit Hamm, a full professor at Dartmouth, head of their music department and scholar not only of Tin Pan Alley - he wrote a book about Irving Berlin, straight-up musicology-but of Charles Ives, than whom nothing is more white-bread/white-bred.)
But Scarlotti is beyond reasoning.
<< If a group's songs -- relegated to "race records" and a limited, insular market - receive no airplay on the mainstream stations, can they be said to have had a direct and profound effect on mainstream music? (The answer is no.)>>
This is, quite simply, stupid. First, it misunderstands what DIRECT means as to influence. Go thumb through Elvis Presley's record collection some time (I once did); it is full of the kind of music that Scarlotti insists does not matter.
Second, he misunderstands what "profound" means. It means deep and awesome-as in "profound silence," "profound deafness" (the latter particularly apropos in this context).
Neither of these qualities requires actually being present on the pop charts. And in any event, there was plenty of black pop music on the charts in the period in question (Ink Spots, Nat Cole as solo and more pertinently with Trio, et cetera).
Third, Scarlotti makes an assumption about charts that is completely anachronistic. Charts then were not what charts are today. First, they were much more limited in the period 1938-1954, and there were several different charts-not just one, including stuff like Juke Box Play, Best Selling Records and Disc Jockey Charts. Much of what sold was undocumented. Bob Rolontz, who was a Billboard reporter in the early '50s (he wrote the Billboard review of "That's All Right Mama" for instance) once estimated to me that Little Willie John's Fever outsold Peggy Lee's on the order of three to one, but that the system of weighting airplay into the charts and of stores "reporting" what was good for their main vendors skewed the chart.
Another anachronistic attitude is that radio airplay was anything like as monolithic as it now is. Disc jockey shows, as I am old enough to recall even if ample documentation didn't already exist, had great latitude in what they played; regional hits were incredibly important and that meant that a hit in the North was not necessarily a hit in the South, Midwest, Southwest or Northwest; distribution was incredibly uneven so that records made west of the Rockies even if they got a good deal of airplay would not show up strongly on the charts.
Fourth, you can't altogether trust the charts because-like disc jockey needle time-chart positions were to a great extent for sale. This is also readily documented, in similar histories.
Fifth, looking at records won't tell you the history because, until very late in the game, records were toys. The real business *and the real artifacts of that business* were sheet music and live performance, and success there told a very different story. Somehow, you know, huge fortunes were made by Ralph Peer and Roy Acuff/Wesley Rose in Nashville, even though only a tiny percentage of their records (and even, songs) ever got covered as pop hits. You think they made it all off "Tennessee Waltz," which is what you would think from the charts? Not so.
The case for Johnnie Ray is interesting and not original. It doesn't really work. At best, what one can say is that Ray anticipated much that would follow, and that he had some influence on the dramatic stances of early rockers. But was he more "influential" than say, Lowman Pauling, who contributed two key songs ("Dedicated to the One I Love" and "Think"), recentered the instrumental side (which Scarlotti seems totally uninterested in) from sax to guitar, and who did much more to bridge the sacred-secular gulf than anyone until Ray Charles? (Robert Palmer is devastating good about Pauling and his group, the Five Royales.)
In part, Scarlotti exposes himself by insisting that there must be *a* "'father' of the mass cultural giant" (what a bloated phrase!). There were many. Johnnie Ray owns no real primacy of place over Louis Jordan, over the Soul Stirrers, Dixie Hummingbirds and (particularly) Swan Silvertones, over the work not only of Hank Williams but of Moon Mullican, Bob Wills, Bill Monroe and Lefty Frizzell. Ralph Gleason argued that the basic beat came from Jimmy Lunceford's great (black) big bands; you can hear some of that. Ahmet Ertegun says the whole thing comes out of "Pinetop's Boogie Woogie," and if you listen a while, you might hear what he means (without thinking it's anywhere near that simple).
The origin of rock 'n' roll is a non-sexual process. It is PROCESS, though, above all, and as such has no simple lineage such as this discussion mistakenly tries to create. A product of such process has a heritage whose chart resembles not so much a tree as a bush. Johnny Ray has a place on that bush. So do 30 or 40 others, and most of them are black. Hell, even a fascist mug like Lee Atwater knew that much.
A major problem with Scarlotti's case is that he lacks an understanding of that process. Consider:
<< In the 20s, 30s, and 40s when a new song came out everybody covered it -- and the best version (hopefully) became the hit>>
Presuming I understand him correctly in his use of "hopefully," he seems to have the idea that the system itself somehow harbored such hopes. In fact, there is ample evidence-and none of which I am aware to the contrary-that the system, and almost everyone within the system, hoped that their version became a hit, whatever its relative aesthetic merit. Second, "everybody" covered it applies to a very narrow spectrum of music. "Everybody" didn't cover "Oklahoma Hills." "Everybody" didn't cover "Muskrat Ramble." "Everybody" didn't cover "Tennessee Waltz." "Everybody" didn't even cover "Stardust." People who thought they could do well with it-mainly, economically do well, but also, people who had an idea of how to make a different flavor of "Stardust"-they "covered" it. (The use of "cover" is another anachronism. The cover had a VERY specific meaning then, it meant trying to kill off the versions done by others, simultaneously. Scarlotti uses the word where it simply means "do another version of.")
Second, Scarlotti seems under the mistaken impression that this process stopped after the '40s. It clearly did not. LaVern Baker went to a Congressional hearing and complained about Georgia Gibbs knocking off her R&B hits (a very precise example of "cover")-if Scarlotti had read ANY good history, he'd know that. (Of course at this point, one has to realize that one is dealing with a man both smug enough to think his preference for Georgia Gibbs above all other female singers is aesthetically beyond challenge, and so socially isolated that he can't imagine the gales of laughter erupting from the knowing at this statement. Hey, Cub Koda and I used to argue all the time about him liking Gary Lewis and the Playboys, but Cub never tried to claim that Gary ran a better band than the Stones.)
The "cover" process he's talking about didn't end until the '60s with the advent of Motown and the Beatles. The basic reason that it ended was that the music world finally made the transition-then and only then-from thinking about the "song" as the main property to thinking about the *performance* as the main property. There were dozens if not hundreds of versions of Michelle and Yesterday. None were "covers," because the people who made them understood that they had not a prayer of eclipsing-commercially, if not aesthetically-the Beatles' versions. That was a huge change.
There is a great deal more about the process of which he is apparently ignorant.
It is very, very likely that *over the span of years* during which Etta James's "The Wallflower" has been reissued about 25 times for every once that lame-ass Gibbs version has been, James outsold Gibbs *by far.*
This is an argument about influence. Influence is ongoing-again, part of a process. But even at the time, if "influence" is what one is talking about, simply ask yourself this: Five years later, or even three years later, were there more singers on the charts who sounded like Etta James or more singers who sounded like Georgia Gibbs. Scarlotti is ignorant because, in large part, Scarlotti is too lazy (arguably too stupid but why get into that?) to think the issue through.
There is something to be said, also, about the way in which "rock" has replaced "pop," as Scarlotti claims. But to really analyze what happened, you would also need to take into account the various subsets who use the term much more restrictively. You would have to divine that "pop" today does not mean what "pop" meant yesterday. In short, you'd have to do some work, which Scarlotti is obviously too indolent to take on. (I've written about this issue off and on for 30 years. It is an issue and a meaningful one. Scarlotti understands it about the same way that a man coming out a bar blind drunk would understand a horse if he slipped and fell into a pile of horseshit. He'd know the beast had been there, but nothing about its actual size, appetites and other particulars.)
Scarlotti plays rather fast and loose with terminology, while attempting to aggrandize all definitions of it. Anyone who thinks that the Flamingos and Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers weren't doo-wop is so ignorant of doo-wop that he is not really entitled to a voice in a serious discussion (which the dialogue obviously isn't, just a couple of sincere people trying to debate a self-centered blowhard.) Consider
<< Buddy and Chuck, that is. Since my thoughts on them are similar, I figured I'd just combine them>>
In the history of narcissism, it would be very difficult to find a better example of how it works. My thoughts about Scarlotti and Dennis Miller are similar-both are self-satisfied, know-it-all pinheads-but that doesn't mean that Scarlotti once appeared on Monday Night Football. Or that what I think about comedians who don't barge into discussions of pop music with assholeian theories makes a whit of difference to someone who actually knows something about comedy. Or football hosts. Who CARES if Scarlotti thinks the same of Chuck and Buddy? He seems to think it matters but why do any of YOU? Ignore the son of a bitch, or call him sixteen kinds of cocksucker-I certainly would-and try to drive his dipshit presence out of your discussion.
I could pick this shit apart all day-Pat Boone almost certainly wasn't the "second most popular" rock star of the '50s. Fats Domino charted many more records, he was on the charts first and he was on way, way beyond when Pat went back to seminary or got caught fucking Red Foley's daughter and had to get hitched, whichever came first. Again, he assumes some fallacies-that the charts tell all, that the pop charts matter and the R&B charts are inconsequential.
I don't know why anyone would bother mentioning this to Scarlotti, who would undoubtedly simply gobble another Cheeto, fart and start masturbating to some other tune. There is no one who has done their homework, and isn't a lazy belligerent Internet schmuck, who thinks what he thinks. If I couldn't boot his sorry ass out of the discussion, I'd go start a discussion somewhere else. Or dare the shithead to try to get his "theories" published and suffer the various consequences (ridicule, failure to get ms. accepted by any reputable publisher, much more specific refutation than I have time for here). Just every time he opens his pompous stupid fool mouth, tell him "Go try and peddle it. You believe that quantity is quality" - a fascistic belief, I might add-"go try to find a 'market' for this nonsense. And if you can't, shut the fuck up."
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Nearly 15 years later, Michelangelo Scarlotti has metamorphosed, encountering a chassidish Yehu'di...
Shalom & Shanah tovah...taking observations out-of-context, accusations without foundation (experimental wordplay between my oldest daughter and I is not 'plagiarism')...But, as George Dance, poet/publisher/editor said on 30 December 2017, one must be alert when dealing with MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco: he remains such a liar because he does not want anyone to 'suspect what a dishonest, disgusting piece of filth you are -- and we really can't have that'.
MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco (seemingly encouraged by his cyberian stalker ally NaziGene) is a congenital, psychotic paedophile against little girls. His deliberate, knowing fabrications, slanders, and antisemitic mantras are duly noted, and ignored. He is, need I say, afflicted with early onset stupidity, so similar to NaziGene's demure malice and lying babble, one can easily discern he does have natz'ri dementia. He is illustrative of what the quackery squared of pharmacracy is capable of...and he has been coupling it with public confessions of bestiality (primarily with Sus scrota domestica Erxleben 1777). In grade school (repeating 2nd grade 4 times), when he played in the sandbox, cats would rush over, and cover him up.
To paraphrase poet Will Dockery, ignoring these two is never problematic; trying to remember them is. To borrow from Reb Samuel Beckett in 1970, their every word remains an unnecessary stain on silence and no-thing-ness.
MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco and NaziGene are not a poets, but gossipography type writers. You, MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco, are not now, nor have you ever been, a Yehu'di, but a blaspheming proselytising member of Opus Dei, and you pose a genuine danger to the children in your neighbourhood. NaziGene is an inept cyberstalking criminal, a child abuser; if he seems 'lost in thought', it derives from it being alien territory.
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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Dean F.
5/29/03
Some time ago, Diane suggested that I e-mail my acquaintance, rock critic/journalist Dave Marsh, about Scarlotti. I never actually did it, though, until last night. I'm still not sure why; perhaps Scarlotti's alternate-universe dissection of "Sh-Boom" was the final straw.
Whatever the case, last night I conducted a Google search, from which I cut and pasted a half-dozen or so of what I considered vintage Scarlotti postings. I also provided Marsh with some background info on the situation in our newsgroup, and asked if he would consider reading the material I was enclosing and commenting on it.
Not only did Dave comment, but he did so in a fair amount of detail. His e-mail to me is below. Hope you enjoy!
--D.F.
Feel free to circulate this:
You can't actually argue with a white supremacist. They can't afford to admit error in any detail, otherwise their entire pseudo-intellectual house of cards falls apart. For the benefit of anyone who isn't a cement-headed bigot, I offer the following:
The Orioles had TWO big pop chart hits ("It's Too Soon to Know" #13, "Crying in the Chapel" #11 by the reckoning of Joel Whitburn's Pop Memories 1890-1954; I know of no scholar of pop music in America who considers this anything but definitive). The influence of the Orioles on early doo-wop is obvious to anyone who bothers to listen--as is the influence of the Ink Spots, whose approach is to my ear considerably different, having in the first place much less gospel to it. However, since Scarlotti virtually boasts of not bothering to listen, who can refute his ignorant ass?
"Who put the R&B style into the mainstream" is pretty well documented. It wasn't the Ink Spots. I'd suggest that anyone who is interested-this wouldn't include Scarlotti of course, because to He Whom All Things Are Already Revealed, mere scholarship would be demeaning-read the account by Philip H. Ennis, a Columbia University sociologist, in The Seventh Stream. Ennis was there at the time, he studied the thing in greater depth than anyone else, he does not discount white pop at all (in fact, he includes some streams-e.g., Latin, at least by incorporation-that virtually no one else does). Also see Gillett's The Sound of the City and Charles Hamm's Yesterdays. (I would like to see Scarlotti try to discredit Hamm, a full professor at Dartmouth, head of their music department and scholar not only of Tin Pan Alley - he wrote a book about Irving Berlin, straight-up musicology-but of Charles Ives, than whom nothing is more white-bread/white-bred.)
But Scarlotti is beyond reasoning.
<< If a group's songs -- relegated to "race records" and a limited, insular market - receive no airplay on the mainstream stations, can they be said to have had a direct and profound effect on mainstream music? (The answer is no.)>>
This is, quite simply, stupid. First, it misunderstands what DIRECT means as to influence. Go thumb through Elvis Presley's record collection some time (I once did); it is full of the kind of music that Scarlotti insists does not matter.
Second, he misunderstands what "profound" means. It means deep and awesome-as in "profound silence," "profound deafness" (the latter particularly apropos in this context).
Neither of these qualities requires actually being present on the pop charts. And in any event, there was plenty of black pop music on the charts in the period in question (Ink Spots, Nat Cole as solo and more pertinently with Trio, et cetera).
Third, Scarlotti makes an assumption about charts that is completely anachronistic. Charts then were not what charts are today. First, they were much more limited in the period 1938-1954, and there were several different charts-not just one, including stuff like Juke Box Play, Best Selling Records and Disc Jockey Charts. Much of what sold was undocumented. Bob Rolontz, who was a Billboard reporter in the early '50s (he wrote the Billboard review of "That's All Right Mama" for instance) once estimated to me that Little Willie John's Fever outsold Peggy Lee's on the order of three to one, but that the system of weighting airplay into the charts and of stores "reporting" what was good for their main vendors skewed the chart.
Another anachronistic attitude is that radio airplay was anything like as monolithic as it now is. Disc jockey shows, as I am old enough to recall even if ample documentation didn't already exist, had great latitude in what they played; regional hits were incredibly important and that meant that a hit in the North was not necessarily a hit in the South, Midwest, Southwest or Northwest; distribution was incredibly uneven so that records made west of the Rockies even if they got a good deal of airplay would not show up strongly on the charts.
Fourth, you can't altogether trust the charts because-like disc jockey needle time-chart positions were to a great extent for sale. This is also readily documented, in similar histories.
Fifth, looking at records won't tell you the history because, until very late in the game, records were toys. The real business *and the real artifacts of that business* were sheet music and live performance, and success there told a very different story. Somehow, you know, huge fortunes were made by Ralph Peer and Roy Acuff/Wesley Rose in Nashville, even though only a tiny percentage of their records (and even, songs) ever got covered as pop hits. You think they made it all off "Tennessee Waltz," which is what you would think from the charts? Not so.
The case for Johnnie Ray is interesting and not original. It doesn't really work. At best, what one can say is that Ray anticipated much that would follow, and that he had some influence on the dramatic stances of early rockers. But was he more "influential" than say, Lowman Pauling, who contributed two key songs ("Dedicated to the One I Love" and "Think"), recentered the instrumental side (which Scarlotti seems totally uninterested in) from sax to guitar, and who did much more to bridge the sacred-secular gulf than anyone until Ray Charles? (Robert Palmer is devastating good about Pauling and his group, the Five Royales.)
In part, Scarlotti exposes himself by insisting that there must be *a* "'father' of the mass cultural giant" (what a bloated phrase!). There were many. Johnnie Ray owns no real primacy of place over Louis Jordan, over the Soul Stirrers, Dixie Hummingbirds and (particularly) Swan Silvertones, over the work not only of Hank Williams but of Moon Mullican, Bob Wills, Bill Monroe and Lefty Frizzell. Ralph Gleason argued that the basic beat came from Jimmy Lunceford's great (black) big bands; you can hear some of that. Ahmet Ertegun says the whole thing comes out of "Pinetop's Boogie Woogie," and if you listen a while, you might hear what he means (without thinking it's anywhere near that simple).
The origin of rock 'n' roll is a non-sexual process. It is PROCESS, though, above all, and as such has no simple lineage such as this discussion mistakenly tries to create. A product of such process has a heritage whose chart resembles not so much a tree as a bush. Johnny Ray has a place on that bush. So do 30 or 40 others, and most of them are black. Hell, even a fascist mug like Lee Atwater knew that much.
A major problem with Scarlotti's case is that he lacks an understanding of that process. Consider:
<< In the 20s, 30s, and 40s when a new song came out everybody covered it -- and the best version (hopefully) became the hit>>
Presuming I understand him correctly in his use of "hopefully," he seems to have the idea that the system itself somehow harbored such hopes. In fact, there is ample evidence-and none of which I am aware to the contrary-that the system, and almost everyone within the system, hoped that their version became a hit, whatever its relative aesthetic merit. Second, "everybody" covered it applies to a very narrow spectrum of music. "Everybody" didn't cover "Oklahoma Hills." "Everybody" didn't cover "Muskrat Ramble." "Everybody" didn't cover "Tennessee Waltz." "Everybody" didn't even cover "Stardust." People who thought they could do well with it-mainly, economically do well, but also, people who had an idea of how to make a different flavor of "Stardust"-they "covered" it. (The use of "cover" is another anachronism. The cover had a VERY specific meaning then, it meant trying to kill off the versions done by others, simultaneously. Scarlotti uses the word where it simply means "do another version of.")
Second, Scarlotti seems under the mistaken impression that this process stopped after the '40s. It clearly did not. LaVern Baker went to a Congressional hearing and complained about Georgia Gibbs knocking off her R&B hits (a very precise example of "cover")-if Scarlotti had read ANY good history, he'd know that. (Of course at this point, one has to realize that one is dealing with a man both smug enough to think his preference for Georgia Gibbs above all other female singers is aesthetically beyond challenge, and so socially isolated that he can't imagine the gales of laughter erupting from the knowing at this statement. Hey, Cub Koda and I used to argue all the time about him liking Gary Lewis and the Playboys, but Cub never tried to claim that Gary ran a better band than the Stones.)
The "cover" process he's talking about didn't end until the '60s with the advent of Motown and the Beatles. The basic reason that it ended was that the music world finally made the transition-then and only then-from thinking about the "song" as the main property to thinking about the *performance* as the main property. There were dozens if not hundreds of versions of Michelle and Yesterday. None were "covers," because the people who made them understood that they had not a prayer of eclipsing-commercially, if not aesthetically-the Beatles' versions. That was a huge change.
There is a great deal more about the process of which he is apparently ignorant.
It is very, very likely that *over the span of years* during which Etta James's "The Wallflower" has been reissued about 25 times for every once that lame-ass Gibbs version has been, James outsold Gibbs *by far.*
This is an argument about influence. Influence is ongoing-again, part of a process. But even at the time, if "influence" is what one is talking about, simply ask yourself this: Five years later, or even three years later, were there more singers on the charts who sounded like Etta James or more singers who sounded like Georgia Gibbs. Scarlotti is ignorant because, in large part, Scarlotti is too lazy (arguably too stupid but why get into that?) to think the issue through.
There is something to be said, also, about the way in which "rock" has replaced "pop," as Scarlotti claims. But to really analyze what happened, you would also need to take into account the various subsets who use the term much more restrictively. You would have to divine that "pop" today does not mean what "pop" meant yesterday. In short, you'd have to do some work, which Scarlotti is obviously too indolent to take on. (I've written about this issue off and on for 30 years. It is an issue and a meaningful one. Scarlotti understands it about the same way that a man coming out a bar blind drunk would understand a horse if he slipped and fell into a pile of horseshit. He'd know the beast had been there, but nothing about its actual size, appetites and other particulars.)
Scarlotti plays rather fast and loose with terminology, while attempting to aggrandize all definitions of it. Anyone who thinks that the Flamingos and Frankie Lymon and the Teenagers weren't doo-wop is so ignorant of doo-wop that he is not really entitled to a voice in a serious discussion (which the dialogue obviously isn't, just a couple of sincere people trying to debate a self-centered blowhard.) Consider
<< Buddy and Chuck, that is. Since my thoughts on them are similar, I figured I'd just combine them>>
In the history of narcissism, it would be very difficult to find a better example of how it works. My thoughts about Scarlotti and Dennis Miller are similar-both are self-satisfied, know-it-all pinheads-but that doesn't mean that Scarlotti once appeared on Monday Night Football. Or that what I think about comedians who don't barge into discussions of pop music with assholeian theories makes a whit of difference to someone who actually knows something about comedy. Or football hosts. Who CARES if Scarlotti thinks the same of Chuck and Buddy? He seems to think it matters but why do any of YOU? Ignore the son of a bitch, or call him sixteen kinds of cocksucker-I certainly would-and try to drive his dipshit presence out of your discussion.
I could pick this shit apart all day-Pat Boone almost certainly wasn't the "second most popular" rock star of the '50s. Fats Domino charted many more records, he was on the charts first and he was on way, way beyond when Pat went back to seminary or got caught fucking Red Foley's daughter and had to get hitched, whichever came first. Again, he assumes some fallacies-that the charts tell all, that the pop charts matter and the R&B charts are inconsequential.
I don't know why anyone would bother mentioning this to Scarlotti, who would undoubtedly simply gobble another Cheeto, fart and start masturbating to some other tune. There is no one who has done their homework, and isn't a lazy belligerent Internet schmuck, who thinks what he thinks. If I couldn't boot his sorry ass out of the discussion, I'd go start a discussion somewhere else. Or dare the shithead to try to get his "theories" published and suffer the various consequences (ridicule, failure to get ms. accepted by any reputable publisher, much more specific refutation than I have time for here). Just every time he opens his pompous stupid fool mouth, tell him "Go try and peddle it. You believe that quantity is quality" - a fascistic belief, I might add-"go try to find a 'market' for this nonsense. And if you can't, shut the fuck up."
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Nearly 15 years later, Michelangelo Scarlotti has metamorphosed, encountering a chassidish Yehu'di...
Shalom & Shanah tovah...taking observations out-of-context, accusations without foundation (experimental wordplay between my oldest daughter and I is not 'plagiarism')...But, as George Dance, poet/publisher/editor said on 30 December 2017, one must be alert when dealing with MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco: he remains such a liar because he does not want anyone to 'suspect what a dishonest, disgusting piece of filth you are -- and we really can't have that'.
MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco (seemingly encouraged by his cyberian stalker ally NaziGene) is a congenital, psychotic paedophile against little girls. His deliberate, knowing fabrications, slanders, and antisemitic mantras are duly noted, and ignored. He is, need I say, afflicted with early onset stupidity, so similar to NaziGene's demure malice and lying babble, one can easily discern he does have natz'ri dementia. He is illustrative of what the quackery squared of pharmacracy is capable of...and he has been coupling it with public confessions of bestiality (primarily with Sus scrota domestica Erxleben 1777). In grade school (repeating 2nd grade 4 times), when he played in the sandbox, cats would rush over, and cover him up.
To paraphrase poet Will Dockery, ignoring these two is never problematic; trying to remember them is. To borrow from Reb Samuel Beckett in 1970, their every word remains an unnecessary stain on silence and no-thing-ness.
MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco and NaziGene are not a poets, but gossipography type writers. You, MichelangeloPaedoBestialityCoco, are not now, nor have you ever been, a Yehu'di, but a blaspheming proselytising member of Opus Dei, and you pose a genuine danger to the children in your neighbourhood. NaziGene is an inept cyberstalking criminal, a child abuser; if he seems 'lost in thought', it derives from it being alien territory.
STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
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Zod
Apr 12, 2022, 4:06:58 PM4/12/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> > This brave and ancient land to me
> > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > And walk this lovely land with me
> > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > To make this land our home
> > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > Until I die, this land is mine."
>
> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> > This brave and ancient land to me
> > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > And walk this lovely land with me
> > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > To make this land our home
> > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > Until I die, this land is mine."
>
> God love's me, my friends, because I'm white, like Him
> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
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> This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
>
> I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
>
> (to be continued)
https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/the-problem-with-pop-1013534/
‘Separate and Unequal’: How ‘Pop’ Music Holds Black Artists Back
In the 1950s, Pat Boone specialized in covering R&B singles by black performers for a "pop" — i.e. white — audience.
When the corporate music industry started to engage with black artists again, it frequently did so through two methods. The first was straight-up theft. In the 1950s, white performers started covering hit singles by black artists, introducing them to the “pop” audience — i.e., white listeners — and making far more money than the black artists who wrote the songs in the first place. “Cover records were often released within the expected chart life of the original and, owing to the superior distribution channels and promotional power of the majors, often outsold the originals,” Garofalo explains.
The black and white markets had to be separated for this strategy to succeed. If listeners could find either Fats Domino’s “Ain’t That a Shame” or Pat Boone’s version, it’s nearly impossible to imagine them gravitating to Boone’s. But the major record companies have almost always been able to control who reaches the “pop” audience and how. And that consistently allows those labels to prop up white artists at the expense of the black artists who inspire them.
In the 1950s, that meant that Etta James moved over 400,000 copies of “The Wallflower” while a cover by the white singer Georgia Gibbs sold more than a million. This dynamic, where a song is considered R&B and limited to black listeners if the singer is black but deemed pop made for everyone if the singer is white, is still pervasive.
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Zod
Apr 14, 2022, 3:43:58 PM4/14/22
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On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 11:58:08 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Yes, the love of one's land over the love of one's fellow human beings has been very beneficial. That's why it's so entertaining to read history and watch Putin's land grab unfold in Ukraine. It's another "holy" war. For lands sake. The invasion is fully embraced by Patriarch Kirill of the Russian Orthodox Church.
Indeed, well put......
Will Dockery
Apr 15, 2022, 9:14:07 AM4/15/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 15, 2022, 10:43:09 AM4/15/22
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The practice of "covering" records is as old as the record industry itself, and had nothing to do with the singer's race.
In the 1910s, sheet music outsold records (which were often used to promote sheet music sales). When a song (sheet music) started to show hit potential, each record company would put out their own version of it, in hopes of cashing in on its popularity. This practice continued long after record sales began outselling sheet music.
Singers rarely wrote their own songs. And songwriters rarely recorded their songs. It was common for their to be at least a half dozen competing versions of any hit song on the market in a given year.
If you look the Billboard Year End Sales charts (reposted on Wikipedia), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billboard_year-end_top_singles_of_1946, you'll see that several versions of each song made the charts -- and most were by white artists covering other white artists (or, more specifically, by one record label covering another).
Black and white markets had been separated as a guide for record sellers/juke box owners to know which records appealed to which areas (many cities were largely segregated at the time). There were also country charts, classical charts, and various other charts which served similar purposes.
Black artists crossed over onto the "white" (popular) charts throughout the 1930s and 40s (The Ink Spots, The Mills Brothers, Nat "King" Cole, etc.), and white artists would often appear on the "race" charts.
The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Donino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
Michael Pendragon
"There's nobody here but me, Chuck. I've driven every last one of them away..!"
-- Will Dockery in a rare moment of candor.
NancyGene
Apr 15, 2022, 11:26:52 AM4/15/22
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>
> The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
We are pointing at you in Heaven, Dick Clark!
> The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
>
> And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Donino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
Not particularly Pat Boone's recordings, but many of Linda Ronstadt's covers of 50s and 60s songs were note for note/arrangement copies of the originals.
> And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Donino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
W.Dockery
Apr 15, 2022, 3:10:11 PM4/15/22
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Zod
Apr 15, 2022, 3:45:57 PM4/15/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 10:55:48 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 10:52:33 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 5:43:04 AM UTC-4, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 🙂
> > > > > > > Pat Boones' best song....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
> > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 🙂
> > > > > > > Pat Boones' best song....
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
> > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> > > > "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> > > > This brave and ancient land to me
> > > > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > > > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > > > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > > > And walk this lovely land with me
> > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > > > To make this land our home
> > > > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > > > Until I die, this land is mine."
> > > >
> > > > This brave and ancient land to me
> > > > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > > > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > > > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > > > And walk this lovely land with me
> > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > > > To make this land our home
> > > > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > > > Until I die, this land is mine."
> > > >
> > > > Dead men should adhere to the stereotype and tell no tales.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > "I know an obsessed teollisuuden Wien I see one."
> > > > -- Will Dockery, dry drunk.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael Pendragon
> > > > "I know an obsessed teollisuuden Wien I see one."
> > > > -- Will Dockery, dry drunk.
> > > God love's me, my friends, because I'm white, like Him
> > > This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> > > And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
> > >
> > > I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> > > He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> > > Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
> > >
> > > (to be continued)
> > > This land's not for Tonto, or his buddy Nigger Jim
> > > And that Choctaw squaw looks like she needs a trim
> > >
> > > I swear, the Lord revealed, He made this land for me
> > > He said: "kill them all and spread our pure family"
> > > Then commanded: "call it love, not brutality..."
> > >
> > > (to be continued)
> > Mr. Boone's lyrics were written for the instrumental theme from "Exodus," and are about the founding of Israel.
> Same difference.
Sad but correct.
> Same difference.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 15, 2022, 4:01:47 PM4/15/22
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That's the way the music industry worked (and to some extent, still works).
Little Richard and Pat Boone were singers who also wrote songs. Pat Boone recorded a grand total of *three* songs that had originally been performed by Little Richard (one of these, Rip It Up, was not written by Little Richard). Tutti Frutti was co-written by Dorothy LaBostrie & Joe Lubin.
Elvis Presley also recorded Tutti Frutti. So did The Four Jones Boys, Carl Perkins, The Jesters, George Jones & Johnny Paycheck, Queen, Fleet Mac, The Kingsmen, and many others including The California Raisins and the Chipmunks.
Little Richard received royalties for all of these recordings.
Little Richard also recorded many songs that had been written by other songwriters, including Good Golly, Miss Molly and The Girl Can't Help It. Because that's the way the music industry works.
Even Bob Dylan whose Shadows In the Night album consists entirely of covers of songs previously recorded by Frank Sinatra -- only one of which was (co)-written by Sinatra.
Your calling Pat Boone a second-hander is analogous to calling Frank Sinatra, Bing Crosby, Elvis Presley, Little Richard, The Beatles, Bob Dylan and practically every singer who's ever lived a second-hander.
Why are you such a jackass, Donkey?
Michael Pendragon
"Less we fergit..."
-- George "Stink" Sulzbach, pissbum extraordinaire
W-Dockery
Apr 15, 2022, 4:50:11 PM4/15/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
>> >> >
>> >> > Pat Boone Hour
>> >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
>> >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
>> >> >
>> >> > Tue 10 pm
>> >> > Thu 2 pm
>> >> > Sat 3 pm
>> >> > Sun 12 pm
>> That was amusing.
> Desperate
Look who's talking.
:)
> On Friday, March 25, 2022 at 1:45:26 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>
>> >> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
>> >> >
>> >> > Pat Boone Hour
>> >> > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
>> >> > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
>> >> >
>> >> > Tue 10 pm
>> >> > Thu 2 pm
>> >> > Sat 3 pm
>> >> > Sun 12 pm
>> >> Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
>> >>
>> >> 🙂
>>
>> > Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
>> >>
>> >> 🙂
>>
>> That was amusing.
> Desperate
Look who's talking.
:)
Usenet Editor
Apr 16, 2022, 3:05:52 AM4/16/22
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On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 11:50:54 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:49:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:42:46 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:38:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:21:27 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 7:17:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:25:49 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > > I did a quick comparison of that to two of your "poems" before a panel of younger readers on Discord and the consensus overwhelming was that it was better than your "poems." So sorry fella...
> > > > > > You just make this shit up as you go along, don't you?
> > > > > Puh-lease! Pat Boone's lyric is a classic.
> > > > You're delusional.
> > > >
> > > > 🙂
> > > > Stink's incoherent thought fragments are only marginally less unreadable than your own.
> > > Not at all, Donkey. As laughably inept as Stinky's verses are, they remain slightly less unreadable than yours.
> > The best Pat Boone songs were written by Little Richard anyhow.
> Please learn to write like the professional you claim to be.
>
> Little Richard didn't write songs for Pat Boone as far I know, Pat Boone covered Little Richard songs which means they were Little Richard songs performed by Pat Boone, not Pat Boone's songs. And you claim to be a musician?
Dockery has been challenged on this and never met the challenge. He claims to play guitar, yet out of all those crappy videos you will not see him playing one with the Shadowville Shitheads or any of the other losers he conned into putting his word soup drivel to "music". He hasn't a musical bone in his fat man baby body.
> On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:49:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:42:46 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 11:38:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 8:21:27 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 7:17:55 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 6:25:49 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > > > On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 4:06:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:28:17 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 4:23:24 PM UTC-4, genera...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 2:23:36 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 🙂
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 🙂
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boones' best song....
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > > > > > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
> > > > > > > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> > > > > > > > > "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> > > > > > > > > This brave and ancient land to me
> > > > > > > > > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > > > > > > > > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > > > > > > > > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > > > > > > > > And walk this lovely land with me
> > > > > > > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > > > > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > > > > > > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > > > > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > > > > > > > > To make this land our home
> > > > > > > > > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > > > > > > > > Until I die, this land is mine."
> > > > > > > > That truly sucks as a song lyric.... ha ha ha......
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I41pOsincOU
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Pat Boone - Never Goin' Back
> > > > > > > > > > > Written by John Stewart.
> > > > > > > > > > Because Pat Boone can't write worth a shit......
> > > > > > > > > "This land is mine, God gave this land to me
> > > > > > > > > This brave and ancient land to me
> > > > > > > > > And when the morning sun reveals her hills and plain
> > > > > > > > > Then I see a land where children can run free.
> > > > > > > > > So take my hand and walk this land with me
> > > > > > > > > And walk this lovely land with me
> > > > > > > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > > > > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong.
> > > > > > > > > Though I am just a man, when you are by my side
> > > > > > > > > With the help of God, I know I can be strong
> > > > > > > > > To make this land our home
> > > > > > > > > If I must fight, I'll fight to make this land our own
> > > > > > > > > Until I die, this land is mine."
> > > > > > > I did a quick comparison of that to two of your "poems" before a panel of younger readers on Discord and the consensus overwhelming was that it was better than your "poems." So sorry fella...
> > > > > > You just make this shit up as you go along, don't you?
> > > > > Puh-lease! Pat Boone's lyric is a classic.
> > > > You're delusional.
> > > >
> > > > 🙂
> > > > Stink's incoherent thought fragments are only marginally less unreadable than your own.
> > > Not at all, Donkey. As laughably inept as Stinky's verses are, they remain slightly less unreadable than yours.
> > The best Pat Boone songs were written by Little Richard anyhow.
> Please learn to write like the professional you claim to be.
>
> Little Richard didn't write songs for Pat Boone as far I know, Pat Boone covered Little Richard songs which means they were Little Richard songs performed by Pat Boone, not Pat Boone's songs. And you claim to be a musician?
Dockery has been challenged on this and never met the challenge. He claims to play guitar, yet out of all those crappy videos you will not see him playing one with the Shadowville Shitheads or any of the other losers he conned into putting his word soup drivel to "music". He hasn't a musical bone in his fat man baby body.
Will Dockery
Apr 16, 2022, 10:04:11 AM4/16/22
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On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 5:23:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:54:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Tuesday, March 22, 2022 at 12:40:13 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > >
> > > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
> > >
> > > Pat Boone Hour
> > > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
> > > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
> > >
> > > Tue 10 pm
> > > Thu 2 pm
> > > Sat 3 pm
> > > Sun 12 pm
> > >
> > > We forgot to tell you that, while driving in the car at noon last Sunday, we discovered that Pat Boone was hosting the 50s Gold show (Channel 72) during that time period. He sounded fine, not ancient, with a smooth voice. He talked about some of the songs and played (you would have had to move to the side of the road) "Where the Boys Are."
> > >
> > > Pat Boone Hour
> > > Next Airs Today at 10 pm - 1hr
> > > Pat Boone shares music & memories that fit a dedicated theme each week
> > >
> > > Tue 10 pm
> > > Thu 2 pm
> > > Sat 3 pm
> > > Sun 12 pm
> > Good to see Pat Boone is still in the game.
> >
> > 🙂
> >
> > 🙂
> Better than his walk in tub commercials I daresay....
Those are pretty funny, at least.
Michael Pendragon
Apr 16, 2022, 12:07:32 PM4/16/22
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Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
Michael Pendragon
"I been listening to this one agin...."
-- George "Stink" Sulzbach
NancyGene
Apr 16, 2022, 12:27:00 PM4/16/22
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https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/z704Q4wgzUs/m/p_u7lkBIAAAJ
W.Dockery
Apr 16, 2022, 1:45:11 PM4/16/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> General Zod wrote:
>> >
>> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
>>
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
>>
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Little Richard
>> > Album
>> > Tutti Frutti
>>
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Pat Boone
>> > Album
>> > Introducing Pat Boone
>> Little Richard was the creator, Pat Boone simply second-handed his songs.
>
> On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> General Zod wrote:
>> >
>> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
>>
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
>>
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Little Richard
>> > Album
>> > Tutti Frutti
>>
>> > Song
>> > Tutti Frutti
>> > Artist
>> > Pat Boone
>> > Album
>> > Introducing Pat Boone
>> Little Richard was the creator, Pat Boone simply second-handed his songs.
>
> Little Richard and Pat Boone were singers who also wrote songs. Pat Boone recorded a grand total of *three* songs that had originally been performed by Little Richard
The records that jump started Pat Boone's career.
https://innerself.com/social/culture-wars/14776-how-the-1950s-racism-helped-make-pat-boone-a-rock-star.html
How The 1950s Racism Helped Make Pat Boone A Rock Star
“What he means by this is that his versions of Little Richard’s songs may not be as good as Little Richard’s originals, but Little Richard couldn’t get played on mainstream radio stations back in the ’50s, due to racism and other reasons. But, after the kids listened to Boone’s music, they tended to go on and want the real thing.”
"Pat Boone spent most of his early career covering rhythm-and-blues songs, like Richard’s “Tutti Frutti.”
Will Dockery
Apr 16, 2022, 1:58:15 PM4/16/22
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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
>
I wasn't playing. I was told to be myself because they said I had natural talent.
>
> Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
>
Zod
Apr 16, 2022, 2:00:49 PM4/16/22
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General Zod
Apr 16, 2022, 3:11:07 PM4/16/22
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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 12:07:32 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
Good commercial....
>
> >
> > Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJLNkYm4OSA
Larry Rich Nissan "The End is Near" | Naartjie Multimedia | Columbus GA Advertising Agency |
This was a TV commercial we did for Larry Rich Nissan in Lagrange Georgia. The exposure from this commercial and others to follow allowed Larry Rich to enjoy a 350% increase in the month of March!
Michael Pendragon
Apr 16, 2022, 6:02:20 PM4/16/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 16, 2022, 6:26:52 PM4/16/22
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I got an audio tape of Little Richard in the studio after he’d had several records and the DJ says to him, “How did you feel when Pat Boone did ‘Tutti Frutti’?” Richard said, “I was still washing dishes and my record was out and I was doing good, but I wasn’t getting no money! But when I heard Pat Boone, I threw the towel down and walked out of there and said, ‘I’m gonna make some money now!’”
[END QUOTE]
IOW: White cover records *brought* the r&b originals to the attention of white audiences and, consequently, helped to make black artists popular with them.
> > The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
> We are pointing at you in Heaven, Dick Clark!
> > And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Donino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
> Not particularly Pat Boone's recordings, but many of Linda Ronstadt's covers of 50s and 60s songs were note for note/arrangement copies of the originals.
Michael Pendragon
"Good archive at the moment... I wonder if there is any Factsheet Five surviving on the Usenet for bygone days...?"
Michael Pendragon
Apr 16, 2022, 6:27:59 PM4/16/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 16, 2022, 6:45:46 PM4/16/22
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On Saturday, April 16, 2022 at 1:45:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> General Zod wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> >>
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> >>
> >> > Song
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >> > Artist
> >> > Little Richard
> >> > Album
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >>
> >> > Song
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >> > Artist
> >> > Pat Boone
> >> > Album
> >> > Introducing Pat Boone
> >> Little Richard was the creator, Pat Boone simply second-handed his songs.
>
> >
> > Little Richard and Pat Boone were singers who also wrote songs. Pat Boone recorded a grand total of *three* songs that had originally been performed by Little Richard
> The records that jump started Pat Boone's career.
You're misusing "Jump started."
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, April 15, 2022 at 3:10:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> General Zod wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Who Did It Better? - Little Richard vs. Pat Boone
> >>
> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r69MQyxS-k
> >>
> >> > Song
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >> > Artist
> >> > Little Richard
> >> > Album
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >>
> >> > Song
> >> > Tutti Frutti
> >> > Artist
> >> > Pat Boone
> >> > Album
> >> > Introducing Pat Boone
> >> Little Richard was the creator, Pat Boone simply second-handed his songs.
>
> >
> > Little Richard and Pat Boone were singers who also wrote songs. Pat Boone recorded a grand total of *three* songs that had originally been performed by Little Richard
> The records that jump started Pat Boone's career.
R&R covers helped to start Mr. Boone's career. Jump start implies that he was a "has been" whose career had been revived by the cover records.
Words matter. Learn what they mean and use them correctly.
> https://innerself.com/social/culture-wars/14776-how-the-1950s-racism-helped-make-pat-boone-a-rock-star.html
>
> How The 1950s Racism Helped Make Pat Boone A Rock Star
>
> “What he means by this is that his versions of Little Richard’s songs may not be as good as Little Richard’s originals, but Little Richard couldn’t get played on mainstream radio stations back in the ’50s, due to racism and other reasons. But, after the kids listened to Boone’s music, they tended to go on and want the real thing.”
>
Here, again, is an excerpt from an interview with Mr. Boone in Rolling Stone:
I got an audio tape of Little Richard in the studio after he’d had several records and the DJ says to him, “How did you feel when Pat Boone did ‘Tutti Frutti’?” Richard said, “I was still washing dishes and my record was out and I was doing good, but I wasn’t getting no money! But when I heard Pat Boone, I threw the towel down and walked out of there and said, ‘I’m gonna make some money now!’”
[END QUOTE]
> "Pat Boone spent most of his early career covering rhythm-and-blues songs, like Richard’s “Tutti Frutti.”
Bullshit.
Pat Boone's "cover" period lasted for only two years - 1956-1957. Even then, many of his early albums were focused on standards and hymns:
His 1956 album, "Pat Boone - Howdy!" contained "Begin the Beguine," "That Lucky Old Sun," "All I Do Is Dream of You," "Harbor Lights," etc., along with his hit r'n'r ballad "Forgive Me."
His 1957 album, "Pat Boone Sings Irving Berlin" requires no further comment; nor does his 1957 album, "Hymns We Love."
You are a pig-ignorant jackass who is talking out of his ass as per usual. Try doing some actual research before sounding your mouth of -- not just latching onto some idiotic internet article.
Michael Pendragon
MMP: Will Donkey "playing" a pissbum in a used car lot commercial was funny.
WILL DONKEY: I wasn't playing. I was told to be myself because they said I had natural talent.
NancyGene
Apr 16, 2022, 7:19:29 PM4/16/22
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>
> I got an audio tape of Little Richard in the studio after he’d had several records and the DJ says to him, “How did you feel when Pat Boone did ‘Tutti Frutti’?” Richard said, “I was still washing dishes and my record was out and I was doing good, but I wasn’t getting no money! But when I heard Pat Boone, I threw the towel down and walked out of there and said, ‘I’m gonna make some money now!’”
>
> [END QUOTE]
>
> IOW: White cover records *brought* the r&b originals to the attention of white audiences and, consequently, helped to make black artists popular with them.
> > > The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
> > We are pointing at you in Heaven, Dick Clark!
> Yes, but most of the rock 'n' roll DJs did. Mr. Clark had Georgia Gibbs as a guest on American Bandstand, so he gets a pass.
We see that Payola was made a misdemeanor in 1960. The Federal Communications Act was changed to prohibit “under-the-table payments and require broadcasters to disclose if airplay for a song has been purchased.” We assume that Dick Clark's show was paid to feature Ms. Gibbs. We have read that Dick Clark held an ownership stake in "33 different record labels, distributors and manufacturers" and was listed as "songwriter" on 150 songs (which we presume were songs he played and promoted on his own show).
> I got an audio tape of Little Richard in the studio after he’d had several records and the DJ says to him, “How did you feel when Pat Boone did ‘Tutti Frutti’?” Richard said, “I was still washing dishes and my record was out and I was doing good, but I wasn’t getting no money! But when I heard Pat Boone, I threw the towel down and walked out of there and said, ‘I’m gonna make some money now!’”
>
> [END QUOTE]
>
> IOW: White cover records *brought* the r&b originals to the attention of white audiences and, consequently, helped to make black artists popular with them.
> > > The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
> > We are pointing at you in Heaven, Dick Clark!
> Yes, but most of the rock 'n' roll DJs did. Mr. Clark had Georgia Gibbs as a guest on American Bandstand, so he gets a pass.
> > > And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Domino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
> > Not particularly Pat Boone's recordings, but many of Linda Ronstadt's covers of 50s and 60s songs were note for note/arrangement copies of the originals.
> I haven't heard a lot of Ronstadt's songs -- a couple of Sinatra remakes in the early 80s arranged and conducted by Nelson Riddle, who had done the same on many of Sinatra's records as well. I was glad that songs like I've Got a Crush On You were getting airplay, but I still preferred the originals.
That's her standards period, which preceded her Mexican songs period. She covered a lot of 50s and 60s songs for some reason--not writing her own songs. Just some of them (all hits):
> I haven't heard a lot of Ronstadt's songs -- a couple of Sinatra remakes in the early 80s arranged and conducted by Nelson Riddle, who had done the same on many of Sinatra's records as well. I was glad that songs like I've Got a Crush On You were getting airplay, but I still preferred the originals.
(Love Is Like a) Heat Wave - Martha & the Vandellas - 1964
Blue Bayou – Roy Orbison 1963
It's So Easy - Buddy Holly - 1958
Ooh Baby Baby - Smokey Robinson & the Miracles - 1965 (note for note)
That'll Be The Day - Buddy Holly - 1957
The Shoop Shoop Song (It's In His Kiss) - Betty Everett - 1964
The Tracks Of My Tears - The Miracles - 1965
When Something Is Wrong With My Baby - Sam & Dave - 1966
When Will I Be Loved - The Everly Brothers - 1960
Cujo DeSockpuppet
Apr 16, 2022, 7:37:13 PM4/16/22
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Michael Pendragon <michaelmalef...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:849eff25-f21b-4b8f...@googlegroups.com:
Q. What does a smelly pissbum like Dreckweasel do for an encore?
A. Top himself! (British slang)
news:849eff25-f21b-4b8f...@googlegroups.com:
A. Top himself! (British slang)
W.Dockery
Apr 16, 2022, 7:40:13 PM4/16/22
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> Pat Boone's "cover" period lasted for only two years - 1956-1957
Hasn't Pat Boone always mostly been a cover artist?
How much original material has Pat Boone actually written?
Will Dockery
Apr 16, 2022, 7:48:03 PM4/16/22
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Michael Pendragon
Apr 17, 2022, 4:31:18 AM4/17/22
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> > I got an audio tape of Little Richard in the studio after he’d had several records and the DJ says to him, “How did you feel when Pat Boone did ‘Tutti Frutti’?” Richard said, “I was still washing dishes and my record was out and I was doing good, but I wasn’t getting no money! But when I heard Pat Boone, I threw the towel down and walked out of there and said, ‘I’m gonna make some money now!’”
> >
> > [END QUOTE]
> >
> > IOW: White cover records *brought* the r&b originals to the attention of white audiences and, consequently, helped to make black artists popular with them.
> > > > The idea that "race" played a role in cover records stems from LaVern Baker's public complaints that her records were consistently being outsold by Georgia Gibbs' covers (Gibbs had been an established top selling artist long before Baker came onto the scene). DJs (accepting "payola" from the small, indie rock and roll labels) picked up on the idea and an urban legend was born.
> > > We are pointing at you in Heaven, Dick Clark!
> > Yes, but most of the rock 'n' roll DJs did. Mr. Clark had Georgia Gibbs as a guest on American Bandstand, so he gets a pass.
> We see that Payola was made a misdemeanor in 1960. The Federal Communications Act was changed to prohibit “under-the-table payments and require broadcasters to disclose if airplay for a song has been purchased.” We assume that Dick Clark's show was paid to feature Ms. Gibbs. We have read that Dick Clark held an ownership stake in "33 different record labels, distributors and manufacturers" and was listed as "songwriter" on 150 songs (which we presume were songs he played and promoted on his own show).
>
> > > > And, as for the author's claims regarding the alleged superiority of Fats Domino's version of "Ain't That a Shame" -- I have three versions of "Ain't That a Shame" by Pat Boone, one version by Fats Domino, and one version by Connie Francis. Pat Boone's version is my favorite.
> > > Not particularly Pat Boone's recordings, but many of Linda Ronstadt's covers of 50s and 60s songs were note for note/arrangement copies of the originals.
> > I haven't heard a lot of Ronstadt's songs -- a couple of Sinatra remakes in the early 80s arranged and conducted by Nelson Riddle, who had done the same on many of Sinatra's records as well. I was glad that songs like I've Got a Crush On You were getting airplay, but I still preferred the originals.
> That's her standards period, which preceded her Mexican songs period. She covered a lot of 50s and 60s songs for some reason--not writing her own songs. Just some of them (all hits):
>
> (Love Is Like a) Heat Wave - Martha & the Vandellas - 1964
> Blue Bayou – Roy Orbison 1963
> It's So Easy - Buddy Holly - 1958
> Ooh Baby Baby - Smokey Robinson & the Miracles - 1965 (note for note)
> That'll Be The Day - Buddy Holly - 1957
> The Shoop Shoop Song (It's In His Kiss) - Betty Everett - 1964
> The Tracks Of My Tears - The Miracles - 1965
> When Something Is Wrong With My Baby - Sam & Dave - 1966
> When Will I Be Loved - The Everly Brothers - 1960
Michael Pendragon
Apr 17, 2022, 4:35:46 AM4/17/22
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His career has lasted from 1953 to present. He only spent two years doing "cover" records.
He was just extremely successful at it, so he's the one who gets singled out.
> How much original material has Pat Boone actually written?
Vocalists sing. Songwriters write.
Pat Boone does both.
Michael Pendragon
"I have an Amazon account without those."
-- Will Donkey, admitting that has neither a home address nor a credit card.
Will Dockery
Apr 17, 2022, 6:06:07 AM4/17/22
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I'm not a fan of Pat Boone but even I know that his entire career has been mostly as a cover artist.
Will Dockery
Apr 17, 2022, 6:07:24 AM4/17/22
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🙂
Michael Pendragon
Apr 17, 2022, 3:20:59 PM4/17/22
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Who was he covering on his 1958 "Yes Indeed!" album (which consists of up-tempo standards)?
Who was he covering on his 1959 "Side by Side" album (which consists of pop standard duets with his wife Shirley)?
You're a pig ignorant Donkey who likes talking out of his ass.
Michael Pendragon
"The poet has the last, definitive, word on the meaning(s) of his poetry."
-- Will Dockery on the multiplicity of definitives
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