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Z...@none.i2p
Dec 19, 2019, 5:01:16 PM12/19/19
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I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
Me
Dec 19, 2019, 5:02:09 PM12/19/19
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On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 5:01:16 PM UTC-5, Z...@none.i2p wrote:
> I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
Are you a father, zid?
> I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
General Zod
Dec 19, 2019, 7:25:24 PM12/19/19
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General Zod
Dec 19, 2019, 7:34:55 PM12/19/19
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I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. “Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain,” he wrote in ‘’Desolation Angels.’’[2] Yet in the more eloquent ‘’Dharma Bums,” Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.’
The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
Yes indeed, the life for me....!!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. “Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain,” he wrote in ‘’Desolation Angels.’’[2] Yet in the more eloquent ‘’Dharma Bums,” Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.’
The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
Yes indeed, the life for me....!!
General Zod
Dec 20, 2019, 4:41:35 AM12/20/19
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On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:45:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >
> > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >
> > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >
> > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
>
> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
Exactly....!! !
> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:45:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >
> > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >
> > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >
> > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >
> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
>
> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
Exactly....!! !
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 20, 2019, 4:49:48 AM12/20/19
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Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 20, 2019, 4:54:46 AM12/20/19
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Hieronymous Corey
Dec 20, 2019, 5:02:29 AM12/20/19
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Like when I imagined myself as Dr. Seuss for retarded seniors, then
started acting like it. Now that’s who a lot of people think I really am.
General Zod
Dec 21, 2019, 12:03:40 PM12/21/19
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On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 8:27:55 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
Indeed.......!!
> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > >
> > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > >
> > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > >
> > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > >
> > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > >
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >
> > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
>
> Dharma is a concept of moral living that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
>
> > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > >
> > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >
> > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > >
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > >
> > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > >
> > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > >
> > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > >
> > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >
> > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
>
Indeed.......!!
ME
Dec 21, 2019, 12:50:26 PM12/21/19
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****** Dharma is a concept of moral living **********
Stinky, you do know what a concept of moral living is, don’t you?
*************************
that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
>
> Indeed.......!!
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 1:46:20 PM12/21/19
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“Happy. Just in my swim shorts, barefooted, wild-haired, in the red fire dark, singing, swigging wine, spitting, jumping, running—that's the way to live. All alone and free in the soft sands of the beach by the sigh of the sea out there, with the Ma-Wink fallopian virgin warm stars reflecting on the outer channel fluid belly waters. And if your cans are redhot and you can't hold them in your hands, just use good old railroad gloves, that's all.” -Jack Kerouac, The Dharma Bums
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 21, 2019, 1:51:23 PM12/21/19
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Who here would change places with Mr. Zod? Would you, Will?
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 1:52:54 PM12/21/19
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He’s rationalizing his life as an unemployed, homeless, alcoholic.
JD Chase
Dec 21, 2019, 2:04:29 PM12/21/19
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Personally have always appreciated GZ’s posts! Have always seen him as a friendly, amiable, low key, interesting person! 😊☺️❤️
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 21, 2019, 2:07:00 PM12/21/19
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On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 2:04:29 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> Personally have always appreciated GZ’s posts! Have always seen him as a friendly, amiable, low key, interesting person! 😊☺️❤️
That is sweet...now get writing for tomorrow's SS
> Personally have always appreciated GZ’s posts! Have always seen him as a friendly, amiable, low key, interesting person! 😊☺️❤️
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 2:10:13 PM12/21/19
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“One man practicing kindness in the wilderness is worth all the temples this world pulls.” -Jack Kerouac, The Dharma Bums
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 2:11:54 PM12/21/19
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On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 2:04:29 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> Personally have always appreciated GZ’s posts! Have always seen him as a friendly, amiable, low key, interesting person! 😊☺️❤️
Personally, he can be a friendly, amiable, low key, interesting person and still
be an unemployed, homeless, alcoholic. One thing he’s not is a Dharma Bum.
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 21, 2019, 2:12:35 PM12/21/19
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Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 2:46:33 PM12/21/19
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Kerouac was an alcoholic writer, not a Dharma Bum.
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 4:57:36 PM12/21/19
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Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 5:01:53 PM12/21/19
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You do understand what FICTION is, don’t you?
Dharma Bums is a work of FICTION. There are
no REAL Dharma Bums, and there never were.
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 5:19:03 PM12/21/19
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> You do understand what FICTION is, don’t you?
> Dharma Bums is a work of FICTION. There are
> no REAL Dharma Bums, and there never were.
;)
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 5:26:05 PM12/21/19
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What they call themselves is irrelevant.
A Dharma Bum is a fictional character.
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 5:27:36 PM12/21/19
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;)
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 5:30:49 PM12/21/19
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Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 5:35:29 PM12/21/19
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In other words, the world that matters on this side of the fence.
;)
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 5:46:56 PM12/21/19
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Don’t anyone else’s words matter on that side of the fence?
Do you think my words don’t exist because you snipped them?
Get real about the world that really matters here. I dare you.
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 5:51:21 PM12/21/19
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;)
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 21, 2019, 5:56:04 PM12/21/19
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Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 5:57:26 PM12/21/19
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;)
Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2019, 9:29:08 PM12/21/19
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Again, Pendragon, come back when you've actually read the Jack Kerouac novel.
;)
;)
General Zod
Dec 22, 2019, 1:04:32 AM12/22/19
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Zod The Mighty
Dec 22, 2019, 5:48:31 PM12/22/19
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On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:43:27 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:37:20 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > If you are a "latter day Dharma bum" you need to define what a "latter day Dharma bum" is
>
> Good idea, really.
It is a philosophy....
If pendragon would bother to read the book it MIGHT help him....!!!
> On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 4:37:20 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 12:48:01 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dharma is a concept of moral living that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> > > > > >
>
> > If you are a "latter day Dharma bum" you need to define what a "latter day Dharma bum" is
>
> Good idea, really.
It is a philosophy....
If pendragon would bother to read the book it MIGHT help him....!!!
General Zod
Dec 22, 2019, 7:26:14 PM12/22/19
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On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 5:02:29 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
> > >
> > > At least you have an active imagination. That's something.
> >
> > Why thank you, Fake Vicar....!!
>
> I act the pastor part when necessary. I have an active imagination too.
> Like when I imagined myself as Dr. Seuss for retarded seniors
Pretty grim scene, then, I see....
> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 4:54:46 AM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> > > > >
> > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> > > > >
> > > > > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> > > >
> > > > Exactly....!! !
>
> > > > > > > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> > > > >
> > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> > > > >
> > > > > The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> > > >
> > >
> > > At least you have an active imagination. That's something.
> >
> > Why thank you, Fake Vicar....!!
>
> I act the pastor part when necessary. I have an active imagination too.
> Like when I imagined myself as Dr. Seuss for retarded seniors
Pretty grim scene, then, I see....
Hieronymous Corey
Dec 22, 2019, 7:31:22 PM12/22/19
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General Zod
Dec 23, 2019, 5:45:52 PM12/23/19
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On Sunday, December 22, 2019 at 7:31:22 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>
> It’s all in how you see it. If you imagine a grim scene, there you go
Here is the entire "Dharma Bums" novel for those who want to have a listen....
>
> It’s all in how you see it. If you imagine a grim scene, there you go
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLSiq1jILc8
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 23, 2019, 6:54:05 PM12/23/19
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From....
https://www.novabbs.com/index.php?t=msg&goto=1161738&&srch=kerouac#msg_1161738
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Toxic Zen Story #17: Christian Zen: D.T. Suzuki and Father Thomas
Merton.
| 'Seeing parallels between Oriental mysticism
| and Western tradition, Merton gained permission
| to attend an ecumenical conference of Buddhist
| and Christian monks held in Bangkok, Thailand.
| While attending that meeting, he was accidentally
| electrocuted. '
|.
| - from Merton's biography, by D. Phillip
____ Background for Toxic Zen Stories ____________________
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.zen/msg/b4ad0ce368728934?hl=en
____ Introduction ________________________________________
We know the basic story of D.T. Suzuki, and the fact that he had one
face showing towards Japan's Imperial Way Zen, and a different face
showing towards the West. And that, for obvious reasons, never the twain
would meet.
We know that he went to America as a young man, to accompany his master,
the Rinzai priest Soyen Shaku, to LaSalle-Peru, Illinois, at the behest
of Dr. Paul Carus, a German who was the managing editor of Open Court
Publishing, which was owned by Zinc magnate Edward Hegeler.
We know that he had a variety of collaborators, a flock of followers,
and influenced many others:
Collaborators in the propagation of Soyen Shaku (D.T.'s Master)-D.T.
Suzuki Zen:
Beatrice Lane (wife), Paul Carus, Edward Hegeler, Martin Heidegger,
Frederic Spiegelberg, Father Thomas Merton, Alan Watts, Eric Fromm, Carl
G. Jung, Richard de Martino, Karen Horney, and a grant from the
Rockefeller Foundation to lecture extensively at Columbia University and
other East Coast schools in the 1950's.
Followers of Shaku-Suzuki Zen:
John Cage, Jack kerouac, Alan Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, and Philip Whalen.
Those strongly affected by the Shaku-Suzuki Zen Influence:
Aldous Huxley, Karl Jaspers, Arnold Toynbee, Gabriel Marcel, Herbert
Read, and Lynn White Jr.
____ Toxic Zen Story ______________________________
Father Thomas Merton was a fine person, with a humanism which presages
the philosophy of Pope John Paul II, which attempts to derive ethical
value based upon the definition of a "person". This creates a joining
point, where those who feel that a "person" is from the source of the
ultimate and divine, and those who do not. The qualities and definition
of divinity, per se, also becomes less the focus, which is the enabler
for the modern ecumenical movement.
His biography states (http://edge.net/~dphillip/Merton.html):
| 'A monk and a prominent writer, Thomas Merton,
| b. Prades, France, Jan. 31, 1915, d. Dec. 10,
| 1968, became one of the most famous American
| Roman Catholics of the 20th century. As a young
| man Merton traveled with his artist parents (his
| father was a New Zealander, his mother an
| American) in France and studied briefly at
| Cambridge University, England, before he went to
| the United States and earned (1939) a master's
| degree from Columbia University. During those
| years he gradually changed from an agnostic to a
| devout Roman Catholic. '
|.
| 'After teaching English for a while and
| working in a Harlem settlement house, Merton
| decided (1941) to become a monk, choosing the
| Trappist order for its discipline of silence and
| solitude. Within the monastery he served for
| years as master of students and novices. Outside
| it, his writing, which included poetry,
| meditations, and works of social criticism,
| brought him prominence in American letters. '
|.
| 'His autobiography, The Seven Storey Mountain
| (1948), became a bestseller. Merton's social
| criticisms burned deeply into public awareness of
| racism, economic injustice, and militarism. '
Father Thomas had a tough life filled with loss, and after much
accomplishment in overcoming that loss, he had the ill fortune to gain
inspiration from D.T. Suzuki and Zen. As his biography finishes the next
year after meeting Dr. Suzuki:
| 'Seeing parallels between Oriental mysticism
| and Western tradition, Merton gained permission
| to attend an ecumenical conference of Buddhist
| and Christian monks held in Bangkok, Thailand.
| While attending that meeting, he was accidentally
| electrocuted. '
Even though there are many instances of the corruption of Christianity
by Zen, it must be noted that the "Christian Zen" movement traces its
origin to Father Thomas Merton in 1967.
___________________________________________________
Here is a chronology of Father Thomas Merton's life
(http://www.merton.org/chrono.htm):
1915 - January 31-born at Prades, France, son of Owen Merton (artist
from New Zealand) and of Ruth Jenkins (artist from USA)
1916 - moved to USA, lived at Douglaston, L.I. (with his mother's
family)
1921 - his mother dies-from cancer
1922 - in Bermuda with his father who went there to paint
1925 - to France with his father, lived at St. Antonin
1926 - entered Lycee Ingres, Montauban, France
1928 - to England-Ripley Court school, then to Oakham (1929)
1931 - his father dies of a brain tumor
1932 - at Oakham School he acquired a scholarship to Clare College,
Cambridge
1933 - visited Italy, spent summer in USA, entered Cambridge in the fall
- study of modern languages (French and Italian)
1934 - left Cambridge and returned to USA
1935 - entered Columbia University
1937 - at Columbia - editor of the 1937 Yearbook and art editor of the
Columbia Jester
1938 - graduated from Columbia, began work on M.A.
1938 - November 16 - received into the Catholic Church at Corpus Christi
Church
1940 - 1941 - taught English at St. Bonaventure College
1941 - December 10-entered the Abbey of Our Lady of Gethsemani,
Trappist, Kentucky.
1944 - March 19-made simple vows, published Thirty Poems
1946 - A Man in the Divided Sea
1947 - March 19-solemn vows, published Exile Ends in Glory
1948 - Publication of best-seller autobiography, The Seven Storey
Mountain and What Are These Wounds?
1949 - May 26-ordained priest; Seeds of Contemplation; The Tears of the
Blind Lions; The Waters of Siloe
1951 - 1955 - Master of Scholastics (students for priesthood)
1951 - The Ascent to Truth
1953 - The Sign of Jonas
1955 - No Man Is an Island
1955 - 1965 - Master of Novices
1956 - The Living Bread
1957 - The Silent Life; The Strange Islands
1958 - Thoughts in Solitude
1959 - The Secular Journal of Thomas Merton; Selected Poems
1960 - Disputed Questions; The Wisdom of the Desert
1961 - The New Man; The Behavior of Titans
1961 - Emblems of a Season of Fury; Life and Holiness; The Last of the
Fathers
1964 - Seeds of Destruction
1965 - Gandhi on Non-Violence; The Way of Chuang Tzu; Seasons of
Celebration
1965 - 1968 - lived as a hermit on the grounds of the monastery
1966 - Raids on the Unspeakable; Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander
1967 - Mystics and Zen Masters
1968 - Monks Pond; Cables to the Ace; Faith and Violence; Zen and the
Birds of Appetite
1968 - December 10-died at Bangkok, Thailand, where he had spoken at a
meeting of Asian Benedictines and Cistercians.
___________________________________________________
I believe that many people were misled by Merton, to believe that Zen
was now sanctified by the Church. E.G., it was OK for Christians to Zen
meditate safely.
People like Phil Jackson the basketball coach (Toxic Zen Story #3), and
the Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans and Catholic priests around the
world. Men who were charged with the protection of children, and without
being able to control themselves, after centuries of a successful
tradition, were now abusing children at a catastrophic rate. Seemingly
competing with each other to outdo in perversion, and covering up for
perversion and abuse at the expense of the victims.
The change since Merton is an astonishing one.
____ Epilog _______________________________________
The Buddha's highest teachings were the purpose of the Buddha's advent
on this earth.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to drain people's compassion
with discussions of the emptiness and meaninglessness of life which is
just a void.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people to live in such
a narrow and momentary way, that there would be no context for self-
examination and conscience.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to possess people's minds with
such illogic as to befuddle their ability to choose correctly between
what is good and what is evil.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people how to commit
atrocities and genocide, in the exploration of their "infinite
possibilities", or "new states of being".
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people how to maim and
kill with their hands efficiently, quietly, loudly, with increased
terror inflicted, or to maximize their subjugation to control the public
sentiments for political ends.
These are all profoundly evil distortions of the Buddha's true
teachings, which introduce infinities in the variables holding good and
evil, removing all shades of gray in the propositional calculus of
value.
Simply stated, the Buddha made his advent on this earth with the purpose
of teaching the compassionate way of the bodhisattva, which is at the
heart of the true entity of all phenomena, which is the eternal Buddha
at one with the eternal Law. Which is how to navigate the sea of
sufferings of birth, aging, sickness and death. He originally set out on
his path, because of his observation of the sufferings of common people
and wanting to understand the source of those sufferings (enlightened
wisdom) and how to transform those sufferings into unshakable happiness
(enlightened action).
When you embrace the void, your initial intent to bring tranquility and
enlightenment to your life doesn't matter ... the result is always the
same: chaos and misery, and utter ruination and emptiness to you, your
family, and your country.
But things don't have to be that way ...
___________________________________________________
Nichiren Daishonin writes (Encouragement to a Sick Person, WND p. 78):
. "During the Former and Middle Days of the Law, the
. five impurities began to appear, and in the Latter
. Day, they are rampant. They give rise to the great
. waves of a gale, which not only beat against the
. shore, but strike each other. The impurity of
. thought has been such that, as the Former and
. Middle Days of the Law gradually passed, people
. transmitted insignificant erroneous teachings
. while destroying the unfathomable correct
. teaching. It therefore appears that more people
. have fallen into the evil paths because of errors
. with respect to Buddhism than because of secular
. misdeeds."
Because Bodhidharma discarded the Buddha's highest teaching (the Lotus
Sutra), and due to his lazy nature turned to shortcuts to enlightenment,
he came to the distorted view that life is acausal and empty, that the
true entity is the void.
This erroneous view really comes from a misunderstanding of the Sutra of
Immeasurable Meanings, where the True Entity is described by negation
(the only way it can be): "... neither square, nor round, neither short,
nor long, ..."
The description of the True Entity is logically voidal, but the True
Entity itself is not. Bodhidharma was simply confused, due to the
slander of negligence (laziness), and false confidence. The truth of
life is that at the heart of the True Entity is the compassion of a
bodhisattva for others.
Non-substantiality does not mean empty. Life has value. Humans are
respectworthy. There is a purpose to everything. And every cause has an
effect, so we are responsible for our thoughts, words and deeds. Zen is
acausal. Zen is the greatest poison, which compares to the even greater
medicine of the Lotus Sutra.
Suffice it to say: the purpose of Zen in the world is to corrupt and
undermine everything that is not based upon the truth and the true
teaching. All religions, disciplines, institutions and organizations
which are undermined by Zen will eventually fall after glaring
revelation of their worst defects, sooner rather than later.
If there is some good in your family, locality, society and culture, or
country that you would like to retain, then cease the Zen, and begin to
apply the medicine of the Lotus Sutra to heal the Zen wound in your
life.
"Zen is the work of devilish minds." - Nichiren
-Chas.
. a prescription for the poisoned ones:
.
. The only antidote for the toxic effects of Zen in your life ...
.
. be that from Zen meditation, or the variant forms: physical
. Zen in the martial arts, Qigong, Acupuncture, Falun Gong,
. Copenhagen Convention of Quantum Mechanics, EST,
. Landmark Education, Nazism, Bushido, the Jesuits,
. Al Qaeda, or merely from having the distorted view that life
. is acausal, and that the true entity of all phenomena
. is the void ...
.
. with the effects of the loss of loved ones, detachment,
. isolation or various forms of emptiness in your life ...
.
. is the Lotus Sutra: chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
. at least 3 times, twice a day, for the rest of your life,
. in at least a whisper ...
.
. and if you can, chant abundantly in a resonant voice !!!
.
. The full 28 Chapters of the Lotus Sutra,
. Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho volumes I and II,
. the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings
. (Gosho Zenshu, including the Ongi Kuden) and the
. SGI Dictionary of Buddhism are located at:
.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/
.
. To find an SGI Community Center:
.
http://www.sgi-usa.org/sgilocations/
__________________________________
LS Chap. 16 ....
Such is the power of my wisdom
that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
This life span of countless kalpas
I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
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I did not write the above, posted for archives purpose..............
-G.Z.
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Toxic Zen Story #17: Christian Zen: D.T. Suzuki and Father Thomas
Merton.
| 'Seeing parallels between Oriental mysticism
| and Western tradition, Merton gained permission
| to attend an ecumenical conference of Buddhist
| and Christian monks held in Bangkok, Thailand.
| While attending that meeting, he was accidentally
| electrocuted. '
|.
| - from Merton's biography, by D. Phillip
____ Background for Toxic Zen Stories ____________________
https://groups.google.com/group/alt.zen/msg/b4ad0ce368728934?hl=en
____ Introduction ________________________________________
We know the basic story of D.T. Suzuki, and the fact that he had one
face showing towards Japan's Imperial Way Zen, and a different face
showing towards the West. And that, for obvious reasons, never the twain
would meet.
We know that he went to America as a young man, to accompany his master,
the Rinzai priest Soyen Shaku, to LaSalle-Peru, Illinois, at the behest
of Dr. Paul Carus, a German who was the managing editor of Open Court
Publishing, which was owned by Zinc magnate Edward Hegeler.
We know that he had a variety of collaborators, a flock of followers,
and influenced many others:
Collaborators in the propagation of Soyen Shaku (D.T.'s Master)-D.T.
Suzuki Zen:
Beatrice Lane (wife), Paul Carus, Edward Hegeler, Martin Heidegger,
Frederic Spiegelberg, Father Thomas Merton, Alan Watts, Eric Fromm, Carl
G. Jung, Richard de Martino, Karen Horney, and a grant from the
Rockefeller Foundation to lecture extensively at Columbia University and
other East Coast schools in the 1950's.
Followers of Shaku-Suzuki Zen:
John Cage, Jack kerouac, Alan Ginsberg, Gary Snyder, and Philip Whalen.
Those strongly affected by the Shaku-Suzuki Zen Influence:
Aldous Huxley, Karl Jaspers, Arnold Toynbee, Gabriel Marcel, Herbert
Read, and Lynn White Jr.
____ Toxic Zen Story ______________________________
Father Thomas Merton was a fine person, with a humanism which presages
the philosophy of Pope John Paul II, which attempts to derive ethical
value based upon the definition of a "person". This creates a joining
point, where those who feel that a "person" is from the source of the
ultimate and divine, and those who do not. The qualities and definition
of divinity, per se, also becomes less the focus, which is the enabler
for the modern ecumenical movement.
His biography states (http://edge.net/~dphillip/Merton.html):
| 'A monk and a prominent writer, Thomas Merton,
| b. Prades, France, Jan. 31, 1915, d. Dec. 10,
| 1968, became one of the most famous American
| Roman Catholics of the 20th century. As a young
| man Merton traveled with his artist parents (his
| father was a New Zealander, his mother an
| American) in France and studied briefly at
| Cambridge University, England, before he went to
| the United States and earned (1939) a master's
| degree from Columbia University. During those
| years he gradually changed from an agnostic to a
| devout Roman Catholic. '
|.
| 'After teaching English for a while and
| working in a Harlem settlement house, Merton
| decided (1941) to become a monk, choosing the
| Trappist order for its discipline of silence and
| solitude. Within the monastery he served for
| years as master of students and novices. Outside
| it, his writing, which included poetry,
| meditations, and works of social criticism,
| brought him prominence in American letters. '
|.
| 'His autobiography, The Seven Storey Mountain
| (1948), became a bestseller. Merton's social
| criticisms burned deeply into public awareness of
| racism, economic injustice, and militarism. '
Father Thomas had a tough life filled with loss, and after much
accomplishment in overcoming that loss, he had the ill fortune to gain
inspiration from D.T. Suzuki and Zen. As his biography finishes the next
year after meeting Dr. Suzuki:
| 'Seeing parallels between Oriental mysticism
| and Western tradition, Merton gained permission
| to attend an ecumenical conference of Buddhist
| and Christian monks held in Bangkok, Thailand.
| While attending that meeting, he was accidentally
| electrocuted. '
Even though there are many instances of the corruption of Christianity
by Zen, it must be noted that the "Christian Zen" movement traces its
origin to Father Thomas Merton in 1967.
___________________________________________________
Here is a chronology of Father Thomas Merton's life
(http://www.merton.org/chrono.htm):
1915 - January 31-born at Prades, France, son of Owen Merton (artist
from New Zealand) and of Ruth Jenkins (artist from USA)
1916 - moved to USA, lived at Douglaston, L.I. (with his mother's
family)
1921 - his mother dies-from cancer
1922 - in Bermuda with his father who went there to paint
1925 - to France with his father, lived at St. Antonin
1926 - entered Lycee Ingres, Montauban, France
1928 - to England-Ripley Court school, then to Oakham (1929)
1931 - his father dies of a brain tumor
1932 - at Oakham School he acquired a scholarship to Clare College,
Cambridge
1933 - visited Italy, spent summer in USA, entered Cambridge in the fall
- study of modern languages (French and Italian)
1934 - left Cambridge and returned to USA
1935 - entered Columbia University
1937 - at Columbia - editor of the 1937 Yearbook and art editor of the
Columbia Jester
1938 - graduated from Columbia, began work on M.A.
1938 - November 16 - received into the Catholic Church at Corpus Christi
Church
1940 - 1941 - taught English at St. Bonaventure College
1941 - December 10-entered the Abbey of Our Lady of Gethsemani,
Trappist, Kentucky.
1944 - March 19-made simple vows, published Thirty Poems
1946 - A Man in the Divided Sea
1947 - March 19-solemn vows, published Exile Ends in Glory
1948 - Publication of best-seller autobiography, The Seven Storey
Mountain and What Are These Wounds?
1949 - May 26-ordained priest; Seeds of Contemplation; The Tears of the
Blind Lions; The Waters of Siloe
1951 - 1955 - Master of Scholastics (students for priesthood)
1951 - The Ascent to Truth
1953 - The Sign of Jonas
1955 - No Man Is an Island
1955 - 1965 - Master of Novices
1956 - The Living Bread
1957 - The Silent Life; The Strange Islands
1958 - Thoughts in Solitude
1959 - The Secular Journal of Thomas Merton; Selected Poems
1960 - Disputed Questions; The Wisdom of the Desert
1961 - The New Man; The Behavior of Titans
1961 - Emblems of a Season of Fury; Life and Holiness; The Last of the
Fathers
1964 - Seeds of Destruction
1965 - Gandhi on Non-Violence; The Way of Chuang Tzu; Seasons of
Celebration
1965 - 1968 - lived as a hermit on the grounds of the monastery
1966 - Raids on the Unspeakable; Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander
1967 - Mystics and Zen Masters
1968 - Monks Pond; Cables to the Ace; Faith and Violence; Zen and the
Birds of Appetite
1968 - December 10-died at Bangkok, Thailand, where he had spoken at a
meeting of Asian Benedictines and Cistercians.
___________________________________________________
I believe that many people were misled by Merton, to believe that Zen
was now sanctified by the Church. E.G., it was OK for Christians to Zen
meditate safely.
People like Phil Jackson the basketball coach (Toxic Zen Story #3), and
the Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans and Catholic priests around the
world. Men who were charged with the protection of children, and without
being able to control themselves, after centuries of a successful
tradition, were now abusing children at a catastrophic rate. Seemingly
competing with each other to outdo in perversion, and covering up for
perversion and abuse at the expense of the victims.
The change since Merton is an astonishing one.
____ Epilog _______________________________________
The Buddha's highest teachings were the purpose of the Buddha's advent
on this earth.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to drain people's compassion
with discussions of the emptiness and meaninglessness of life which is
just a void.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people to live in such
a narrow and momentary way, that there would be no context for self-
examination and conscience.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to possess people's minds with
such illogic as to befuddle their ability to choose correctly between
what is good and what is evil.
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people how to commit
atrocities and genocide, in the exploration of their "infinite
possibilities", or "new states of being".
The Buddha did not appear on this earth to teach people how to maim and
kill with their hands efficiently, quietly, loudly, with increased
terror inflicted, or to maximize their subjugation to control the public
sentiments for political ends.
These are all profoundly evil distortions of the Buddha's true
teachings, which introduce infinities in the variables holding good and
evil, removing all shades of gray in the propositional calculus of
value.
Simply stated, the Buddha made his advent on this earth with the purpose
of teaching the compassionate way of the bodhisattva, which is at the
heart of the true entity of all phenomena, which is the eternal Buddha
at one with the eternal Law. Which is how to navigate the sea of
sufferings of birth, aging, sickness and death. He originally set out on
his path, because of his observation of the sufferings of common people
and wanting to understand the source of those sufferings (enlightened
wisdom) and how to transform those sufferings into unshakable happiness
(enlightened action).
When you embrace the void, your initial intent to bring tranquility and
enlightenment to your life doesn't matter ... the result is always the
same: chaos and misery, and utter ruination and emptiness to you, your
family, and your country.
But things don't have to be that way ...
___________________________________________________
Nichiren Daishonin writes (Encouragement to a Sick Person, WND p. 78):
. "During the Former and Middle Days of the Law, the
. five impurities began to appear, and in the Latter
. Day, they are rampant. They give rise to the great
. waves of a gale, which not only beat against the
. shore, but strike each other. The impurity of
. thought has been such that, as the Former and
. Middle Days of the Law gradually passed, people
. transmitted insignificant erroneous teachings
. while destroying the unfathomable correct
. teaching. It therefore appears that more people
. have fallen into the evil paths because of errors
. with respect to Buddhism than because of secular
. misdeeds."
Because Bodhidharma discarded the Buddha's highest teaching (the Lotus
Sutra), and due to his lazy nature turned to shortcuts to enlightenment,
he came to the distorted view that life is acausal and empty, that the
true entity is the void.
This erroneous view really comes from a misunderstanding of the Sutra of
Immeasurable Meanings, where the True Entity is described by negation
(the only way it can be): "... neither square, nor round, neither short,
nor long, ..."
The description of the True Entity is logically voidal, but the True
Entity itself is not. Bodhidharma was simply confused, due to the
slander of negligence (laziness), and false confidence. The truth of
life is that at the heart of the True Entity is the compassion of a
bodhisattva for others.
Non-substantiality does not mean empty. Life has value. Humans are
respectworthy. There is a purpose to everything. And every cause has an
effect, so we are responsible for our thoughts, words and deeds. Zen is
acausal. Zen is the greatest poison, which compares to the even greater
medicine of the Lotus Sutra.
Suffice it to say: the purpose of Zen in the world is to corrupt and
undermine everything that is not based upon the truth and the true
teaching. All religions, disciplines, institutions and organizations
which are undermined by Zen will eventually fall after glaring
revelation of their worst defects, sooner rather than later.
If there is some good in your family, locality, society and culture, or
country that you would like to retain, then cease the Zen, and begin to
apply the medicine of the Lotus Sutra to heal the Zen wound in your
life.
"Zen is the work of devilish minds." - Nichiren
-Chas.
. a prescription for the poisoned ones:
.
. The only antidote for the toxic effects of Zen in your life ...
.
. be that from Zen meditation, or the variant forms: physical
. Zen in the martial arts, Qigong, Acupuncture, Falun Gong,
. Copenhagen Convention of Quantum Mechanics, EST,
. Landmark Education, Nazism, Bushido, the Jesuits,
. Al Qaeda, or merely from having the distorted view that life
. is acausal, and that the true entity of all phenomena
. is the void ...
.
. with the effects of the loss of loved ones, detachment,
. isolation or various forms of emptiness in your life ...
.
. is the Lotus Sutra: chant Nam-Myoho-Renge-Kyo
. at least 3 times, twice a day, for the rest of your life,
. in at least a whisper ...
.
. and if you can, chant abundantly in a resonant voice !!!
.
. The full 28 Chapters of the Lotus Sutra,
. Nichiren Daishonin's Gosho volumes I and II,
. the Record of the Orally Transmitted Teachings
. (Gosho Zenshu, including the Ongi Kuden) and the
. SGI Dictionary of Buddhism are located at:
.
http://www.nichirenlibrary.org/en/
.
. To find an SGI Community Center:
.
http://www.sgi-usa.org/sgilocations/
__________________________________
LS Chap. 16 ....
Such is the power of my wisdom
that its sagacious beams shine without measure.
This life span of countless kalpas
I gained as the result of lengthy practice.
*************************************************************************
I did not write the above, posted for archives purpose..............
-G.Z.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 23, 2019, 11:27:07 PM12/23/19
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But what has any of this got to do with your miserable life as a toothless, unemployed pissbum living in a tent, getting drunk on bum wine every night, and putting shoe polish in your beard?
Will Dockery
Dec 23, 2019, 11:30:30 PM12/23/19
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He's a Dharma Bum, Pendragon.
;)
;)
Michael Pendragon
Dec 24, 2019, 9:16:40 AM12/24/19
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On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:30:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> He's a Dharma Bum, Pendragon.
Unless you can show where the Dharma comes into his lifestyle, he's just your run-of-the-mill variety of pissbum.
> He's a Dharma Bum, Pendragon.
Will Dockery
Dec 24, 2019, 9:35:24 AM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 9:16:40 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:30:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > He's a Dharma Bum, Pendragon.
>
> Unless you can show where the Dharma comes into his lifestyle
Easily:
> On Monday, December 23, 2019 at 11:30:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > He's a Dharma Bum, Pendragon.
>
> Unless you can show where the Dharma comes into his lifestyle
http://sanfranciscolit.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-is-dharma-bum.html
"A so-called Dharma Bum is a 'wanderer of the world in search of Truth, the True Meaning, or Dharma, to gain merit and be a Hero in paradise.' Most of this truth is found in observing the world that surrounds a Dharma Bum, and through this realization of what truth is, come inner peace and understanding..."
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 9:57:03 AM12/24/19
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I thought you gave up drugs.
Will Dockery
Dec 24, 2019, 10:00:54 AM12/24/19
to
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 10:09:49 AM12/24/19
to
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 11:16:35 AM12/24/19
to
JD Chase
Dec 24, 2019, 12:42:33 PM12/24/19
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Who can say for sure what works for Zod, other than Zod? He’s really the only one to answer... No one can speak for him... Well, they can, but it would be presumptuous and misguided... I am SO disappointed and ashamed of the judgmental attitudes I often read and witness in this group! Really wish that people would start examining themselves more and that they would stop being so negative and judgmental towards others...
General Zod
Dec 24, 2019, 1:50:13 PM12/24/19
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Thanks, Jordy....
These inhumans show no respect for the dead, either....
They appatently have no belief in the working of Karua....
These inhumans show no respect for the dead, either....
They appatently have no belief in the working of Karua....
Michael Pendragon
Dec 24, 2019, 2:24:08 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 9:35:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
"A so-called Dharma Bum is a 'wanderer of the world..."
Stink isn't a wanderer, Will. Stink is stuck in Columbus.
"...in search of Truth, the True Meaning, or Dharma, to gain merit and be a Hero in paradise.'"
I've seen no evidence of Stink's being in search of anything -- other than sex, drugs and bum wine.
Not even in his poetry does he seek out anything deeper. It's all jumbled memories of fucking Loretta or fucking Suzy Q, going on beer runs, going to the Safe House for free coffee, getting drunk and watching Loretta dance to Dirty Mike's guitar.
"Most of this truth is found in observing the world that surrounds a Dharma Bum, and through this realization of what truth is, come inner peace and understanding..."
Conclusion: Stink is not a Dharma bum. He's just a stinky bum.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 24, 2019, 2:27:56 PM12/24/19
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HtH & hand
NancyGene
Dec 24, 2019, 2:32:02 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 5:42:33 PM UTC, JD Chase wrote:
> Who can say for sure what works for Zod, other than Zod? He’s really the only one to answer... No one can speak for him... Well, they can, but it would be presumptuous and misguided... I am SO disappointed and ashamed of the judgmental attitudes I often read and witness in this group! Really wish that people would start examining themselves more and that they would stop being so negative and judgmental towards others...
We didn't think it was possible to swish in writing but there it is.
> Who can say for sure what works for Zod, other than Zod? He’s really the only one to answer... No one can speak for him... Well, they can, but it would be presumptuous and misguided... I am SO disappointed and ashamed of the judgmental attitudes I often read and witness in this group! Really wish that people would start examining themselves more and that they would stop being so negative and judgmental towards others...
Michelangelo Scarlotti
Dec 24, 2019, 2:45:11 PM12/24/19
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JD Chase
Dec 24, 2019, 4:02:36 PM12/24/19
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That is being VERY narrow minded and provincial and childish, to say the least ! Would certainly hope that people would not indulge in homophobic slurs in this day and age!
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 4:08:59 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 12:42:33 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> Who can say for sure what works for Zod, other than Zod? He’s really the only one to answer... No one can speak for him... Well, they can, but it would be presumptuous and misguided... I am SO disappointed and ashamed of the judgmental attitudes I often read and witness in this group! Really wish that people would start examining themselves more and that they would stop being so negative and judgmental towards others...
Do you know what works in a poetry group...poetry.
> Who can say for sure what works for Zod, other than Zod? He’s really the only one to answer... No one can speak for him... Well, they can, but it would be presumptuous and misguided... I am SO disappointed and ashamed of the judgmental attitudes I often read and witness in this group! Really wish that people would start examining themselves more and that they would stop being so negative and judgmental towards others...
Now if you wrote poetry you could give us all lessons on how to live on the internet, how to behave, how to laugh and cry..but you don't write poetry, you only wish the group members would act as you would like.
But you're here, quite being a little bitch.
SO there. (sticking tongue out)
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 4:12:21 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:02:36 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> That is being VERY narrow minded and provincial and childish, to say the least ! Would certainly hope that people would not indulge in homophobic slurs in this day and age!
:We giggled at the green haired boys, kissing."
> That is being VERY narrow minded and provincial and childish, to say the least ! Would certainly hope that people would not indulge in homophobic slurs in this day and age!
Will Dockery
General Zod
Dec 24, 2019, 4:14:49 PM12/24/19
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I follow the path of the Dharma Bum....
None of your biased slurs and insults can change that....
None of your biased slurs and insults can change that....
General Zod
Dec 24, 2019, 4:17:36 PM12/24/19
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Doc wrote that poem nearly forty years ago, people and times do change.....
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 4:18:46 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:17:36 PM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> Doc wrote that poem nearly forty years ago, people and times do change.....
Doc hasn't changed one bit from 40 years ago.
> Doc wrote that poem nearly forty years ago, people and times do change.....
General Zod
Dec 24, 2019, 4:22:29 PM12/24/19
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I know Doc personally....
He has changed....
I have changed....
You may have even changed, Rochester...?
He has changed....
I have changed....
You may have even changed, Rochester...?
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 4:28:15 PM12/24/19
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You changed from Navy man to what?
I have changed from cool to very cool :-)
JD Chase
Dec 24, 2019, 4:29:40 PM12/24/19
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And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 4:31:42 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
Oh, Jordy, shut up.
> And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
JD Chase
Dec 24, 2019, 4:49:14 PM12/24/19
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Hi Edward, hope that you’re having a nice holiday season! 😊☺️🍸❤️
Edward Rochester Esq.
Dec 24, 2019, 5:05:38 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:49:14 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> Hi Edward, hope that you’re having a nice holiday season! 😊☺️🍸❤️
I find holiday seasons have little to do with holidays, but more to do with money grabbing.
> Hi Edward, hope that you’re having a nice holiday season! 😊☺️🍸❤️
My rants are over for the day, I will begin to write poetry and post poetry, for that is what this place is all about.
I gave my van a brake job today. My truck asked, I delivered.
Will Dockery
Dec 24, 2019, 5:06:32 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
>
> And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
Plus, the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
>
> And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/bQ-83C9EGlo/jMUrzvQJAgAJ
Seems a long time ago, Tina / Will Dockery
Will Dockery
Dec 24, 2019, 9:49:40 PM12/24/19
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>
> Tell us, Doc changed from what to what
I'm older and wiser of course.
>
> Tell us, Doc changed from what to what
;)
Michael Pendragon
Dec 24, 2019, 11:55:47 PM12/24/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> >
> > And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
>
> Plus, the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
How does the context make it any less offensive?
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> >
> > And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
>
> Plus, the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
Will Dockery
Dec 24, 2019, 11:59:35 PM12/24/19
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https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/bQ-83C9EGlo/jMUrzvQJAgAJ
Seems a long time ago, Tina / Will Dockery
;)
Michael Pendragon
Dec 25, 2019, 12:11:10 AM12/25/19
to
On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 11:59:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 11:55:47 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> >
> > > > And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
> > >
> > > Plus, the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
> >
> > How does the context make it any less offensive?
>
> I don't think the line is offensive, anyhow... the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
>
How does the context make it any less offensive?
You used to park in front of the local gay bar with your girlfriend and laugh at the gay couple going in and out of it. And, if that weren't bad enough, you look back on nostalgically as one of the more treasured momories of your romance.
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 11:55:47 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 5:06:32 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
> >
> > > > And he just said that he giggled, that seems harmless enough, doesn’t it? he didn’t say that he spouted homophonic slurs and beat gay people up...
> > >
> > > Plus, the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
> >
> > How does the context make it any less offensive?
>
> I don't think the line is offensive, anyhow... the line needs to be read in context, in the poem:
>
How does the context make it any less offensive?
Will Dockery
Dec 25, 2019, 12:14:21 AM12/25/19
to
On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:11:10 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> You used to park in front of the local gay bar with your girlfriend and laugh at the gay couple going in and out of it
That's not what happened at all, Pendragon... but your misrepresentations are no surprise at this point.
>
> You used to park in front of the local gay bar with your girlfriend and laugh at the gay couple going in and out of it
Here is the poem, which shows yuu're lying:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/bQ-83C9EGlo/jMUrzvQJAgAJ
Seems a long time ago, Tina / Will Dockery
Michael Pendragon
Dec 25, 2019, 12:18:47 AM12/25/19
to
On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:14:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:11:10 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > You used to park in front of the local gay bar with your girlfriend and laugh at the gay couple going in and out of it
>
> That's not what happened at all, Pendragon... but your misrepresentations are no surprise at this point.
>
> Here is the poem, which shows yuu're lying:
That's what I'm reading, Will.
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 12:11:10 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > You used to park in front of the local gay bar with your girlfriend and laugh at the gay couple going in and out of it
>
> That's not what happened at all, Pendragon... but your misrepresentations are no surprise at this point.
>
> Here is the poem, which shows yuu're lying:
What do you think is happening in your poem?
Will Dockery
Dec 25, 2019, 1:11:55 AM12/25/19
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> What do you think is happening in your poem?
Read the poem and find out for yourself:
>
> What do you think is happening in your poem?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/bQ-83C9EGlo/jMUrzvQJAgAJ
Seems a long time ago, Tina / Will Dockery
;)
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 25, 2019, 12:28:59 PM12/25/19
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Will Dockery wrote on Tue, 24 December 2019 14:35
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 25, 2019, 12:29:42 PM12/25/19
to
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 25, 2019, 3:39:51 PM12/25/19
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Hieronymous Corey wrote on Fri, 20 December 2019 09:49
> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 4:41:35 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> > On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:45:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 8:39:36 PM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> >>>
> >>> Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >>>
> >>> Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >>>
> >>> He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >>>
> >>> Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >>>
> >>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >>
> >> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> >
> > Exactly....!! !
>
> At least you have an active imagination. That's something.
You seem to manage without one just fie though,........
> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 4:41:35 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> > On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 10:45:02 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>> On Thursday, December 19, 2019 at 8:39:36 PM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> >>>> > >
> >>>> > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> >>>
> >>> Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >>
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >>>
> >>> Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >>>
> >>> He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >>>
> >>> Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >>>
> >>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >>
> >> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> >
> > Exactly....!! !
>
> At least you have an active imagination. That's something.
You seem to manage without one just fie though,........
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 25, 2019, 3:40:28 PM12/25/19
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Typo.............
Fine not fie.........
Fine not fie.........
Z...@none.i2p
Dec 25, 2019, 6:42:55 PM12/25/19
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[quote title=I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy." One main goal of the Dharma Bum is to find happiness in solitude and freedom. Dharma Bums often feel most solitary in nature, where they can feel completely liberated from the confines of society, and achieve an inner happiness.
These wanderers live like bums, divine vagabonds, wearing old, worn-out clothing from secondhand stores like Goodwill. They are filthy dirty, but enlightened Dharma saints
[/quote]
http://sanfranciscolit.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-is-dharma-bum.html
!! !
The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy." One main goal of the Dharma Bum is to find happiness in solitude and freedom. Dharma Bums often feel most solitary in nature, where they can feel completely liberated from the confines of society, and achieve an inner happiness.
These wanderers live like bums, divine vagabonds, wearing old, worn-out clothing from secondhand stores like Goodwill. They are filthy dirty, but enlightened Dharma saints
[/quote]
http://sanfranciscolit.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-is-dharma-bum.html
!! !
Will Dockery
Dec 26, 2019, 7:52:15 AM12/26/19
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On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 5:05:38 PM UTC-5, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:49:14 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
>
> > Hi Edward, hope that you’re having a nice holiday season! 😊☺️🍸❤️
>
> I find holiday seasons have little to do with holidays, but more to do with money grabbing.
Has been since way before our times, of course.
> On Tuesday, December 24, 2019 at 4:49:14 PM UTC-5, JD Chase wrote:
>
> > Hi Edward, hope that you’re having a nice holiday season! 😊☺️🍸❤️
>
> I find holiday seasons have little to do with holidays, but more to do with money grabbing.
General Zod
Dec 26, 2019, 10:15:32 AM12/26/19
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Coco DeSockmonkey
Dec 26, 2019, 12:20:37 PM12/26/19
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A crock, to wit: of bovine shit;
I've since changed my opinion, thus:
He's now a hippopotamus.
Brother Dave Dockery
Dec 26, 2019, 3:54:13 PM12/26/19
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On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 6:42:55 PM UTC-5, Z...@none.i2p wrote:
> [quote title=I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
>
> The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy."
What a crock of shit. What charity do you provide? You rely on the charity of others. That isn't freedom, that's imprisonment. You brag constantly about your garbage art so are not humble. A wise man doesn't destroy his body with alcohol and drugs. The only ecstasy you have comes in a pill. There is nothing tranquil about a bum who gets blind drunk and attacks others. The only thing you are zealous about is sucking Will's asshole on here.
> [quote title=I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
>
> The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy."
>
> These wanderers live like bums
Where the fuck do you wander other than hauling your drunken ass back over the bridge to Phenix City? They got the bum part right.
Will Dockery
Dec 26, 2019, 3:56:59 PM12/26/19
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On Thursday, December 26, 2019 at 3:54:13 PM UTC-5, fake Dave forged:
;)
> On Wednesday, December 25, 2019 at 6:42:55 PM UTC-5, Z...@none.i2p wrote:
>
> > [quote title=I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
> >
> > The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy."
>
> What a crock of shit
That's probably your upper lip you smell, impostor troll.
>
> > [quote title=I consider myself one of the Dharma Bums....
> >
> > The mindset and mentality of a Dharma Bum is "charity, humility, zeal, tranquility, wisdom, ecstasy."
>
> What a crock of shit
;)
General Zod
Dec 26, 2019, 5:52:38 PM12/26/19
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General Zod
Dec 27, 2019, 2:40:18 AM12/27/19
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Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 27, 2019, 11:12:17 AM12/27/19
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Zod-The...@none.i2p
Dec 30, 2019, 12:26:10 PM12/30/19
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I'm a Dharma Bum[/color
> >
> > I can show where the Dharma comes into his lifestyle
As I sit on the old broken-down river pier.....
> >
> > I can show where the Dharma comes into his lifestyle
>
> Easily:
>
> http://sanfranciscolit.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-is-dharma-bum.html
>
> "A so-called Dharma Bum is a 'wanderer of the world in search of Truth, the True Meaning, or Dharma, to gain merit and be a Hero in paradise.' Most of this truth is found in observing the world that surrounds a Dharma Bum, and through this realization of what truth is, come inner peace and understanding..."
[/quote]
> Easily:
>
> http://sanfranciscolit.blogspot.com/2008/11/what-is-dharma-bum.html
>
> "A so-called Dharma Bum is a 'wanderer of the world in search of Truth, the True Meaning, or Dharma, to gain merit and be a Hero in paradise.' Most of this truth is found in observing the world that surrounds a Dharma Bum, and through this realization of what truth is, come inner peace and understanding..."
As I sit on the old broken-down river pier.....
Mr Zodiac
Jan 5, 2020, 5:46:24 PM1/5/20
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"I felt like lying down by the side of the trail and remembering it all. The woods do that to you, they always look familiar, long lost, like the face of a long-dead relative, like an old dream, like a piece of forgotten song drifting across the water, most of all like golden eternities of past childhood or past manhood and all the living and the dying and the heartbreak that went on a million years ago and the clouds as they pass overhead seem to testify (by their own lonesome familiarity) to this feeling. Ecstacy, even, I felt, with flashes of sudden remembrance, and feeling sweaty and drowsy I felt like sleeping and dreaming in the grass......" ---Jack Kerouac
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 6, 2020, 9:34:40 PM1/6/20
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ME[8
> wrote on Sat, 21 December 2019 17:50]On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 12:03:40 PM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> ****** Dharma is a concept of moral living **********
> Stinky, you do know what a concept of moral living is, don't you?
>
> *************************
>
>
> that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
> >
> > Indeed.......!!
>
> So wtf is "indeed" about it, pertaining to you?
The answer to that is quite obvious....
> wrote on Sat, 21 December 2019 17:50]On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 12:03:40 PM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> > On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 8:27:55 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >>>> > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > Down on the lake rosy reflections of celestial vapor appeared, and I said 'God, I love you' and looked up to the sky and really meant it.. 'I have fallen in love with you, God. Take care of us all, one way or the other.'
> >> On Friday, December 20, 2019 at 12:37:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >>>> > > > I consider myself a latter day Dharma Bum............
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dharma_Bums
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > ***************The character Japhy drives Ray Smith's story, whose penchant for simplicity and Zen Buddhism influenced Kerouac on the eve of the sudden and unpredicted success of On the Road. The action shifts between the events of Smith and Ryder's "city life," such as three-day parties and enactments of the Buddhist "Yab-Yum" rituals, to the sublime and peaceful imagery where Kerouac seeks a type of transcendence. The novel concludes with a change in narrative style, with Kerouac working alone as a fire lookout on Desolation Peak (adjacent to Hozomeen Mountain), in what would soon be declared North Cascades National Park (see also Kerouac's novel Desolation Angels). His summer on Desolation Peak was desperately lonely. "Many's the time I thought I'd die of boredom or jump off the mountain," he wrote in ''Desolation Angels.''[2] Yet in the more eloquent ''Dharma Bums," Kerouac described the experience in elegiac prose.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >>>
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >>>>
> >>>> He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >>>>
> >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >>>
> >>> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> >>
>
> *************************
> >>>> > > > The blend of narrative with prose-poetry places The Dharma Bums at a critical juncture foreshadowing the consciousness-probing works of several authors in the 1960s such as Timothy Leary and Ken Kesey.[citation needed]
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > One episode in the book features Smith, Ryder, and Henry Morley (based on real-life friend John Montgomery) climbing Matterhorn Peak in California. It relates Kerouac's introduction to this type of mountaineering and inspired him to spend the following summer as a fire lookout for the United States Forest Service on Desolation Peak in Washington.
> >>>> > > >
> >>>> > > > The novel also gives an account of the legendary 1955 Six Gallery reading, where Allen Ginsberg gave a debut presentation of his poem "Howl" (changed to "Wail" in the book). At the event, other authors including Snyder, Kenneth Rexroth, Michael McClure, and Philip Whalen also performed**********
> >>>>
> >>>> Where does the "dharma" come into your existence
> >>>
> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>
> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Thomas_Idlet#Later_years
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas met his fourth wife, the poet Philomene Long in 1983 at a poetry reading.[5] The couple were inseparable in his last years, and Thomas dedicated his final poems to her.[6]
> >>>>
> >>>> He said she "resurrected him." They lived together on the edge of American society, maintaining a lifestyle of "living poor" based on the ancient Zen recluse poets. "I would feel uncomfortable and irritable living any other way. I have Philomene, a pen, a pad, shirt and pants. If you start wanting more, it fills you up, leading to a poverty of the heart and mind."[citation needed]
> >>>>
> >>>> Thomas spent the sunset days of his life in his house in Venice Beach and reading while sitting under a sweet gum tree on the grounds of the Zen Center of Los Angeles.
> >>>>
> >>>> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=++
> >>>
> >>> The above description fits Zod quite closely.
> >>
>
> ****** Dharma is a concept of moral living **********
> Stinky, you do know what a concept of moral living is, don't you?
>
> *************************
>
>
> that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
> >
> > Indeed.......!!
>
> So wtf is "indeed" about it, pertaining to you?
The answer to that is quite obvious....
Michael Pendragon
Jan 6, 2020, 9:54:31 PM1/6/20
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Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 6, 2020, 11:45:08 PM1/6/20
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 02:54
http://movies2.nytimes.com/books/97/09/07/home/kerouac-bums.html
*******************Dharma Bums--future Bodhisattvas one and all, by their own admission--are members of a "rucksack revolution." Carefree wanderers, they compare themselves to those Zen Lunatics immortalized in classic Japanese sumi painting, caught in swift brush strokes as they gaily loaf, or stroll about laughing fit to kill at the whole ephemeral world of illusory phenomena****************
Indeed, indeed....!
> On Monday, January 6, 2020 at 9:34:40 PM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
> > Dharma is a concept of moral living
> [color=teal]>>
> > Dharma is a concept of moral living
> >>
> >>
> >> that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
> >>>
> [color=royalblue]>>>
> >>
> >> that appears in various Eastern religions including Hinduism and Buddhism. The Zen recluse poets adopted an impoverished lifestyle because it allowed them to focus on the spiritual aspects of life.
> >>>
>
> "Impoverished" is the only thing that fits.
My dear Sir, please educate yourself to the Beatnik way, the way of the Dharma.....
> "Impoverished" is the only thing that fits.
http://movies2.nytimes.com/books/97/09/07/home/kerouac-bums.html
*******************Dharma Bums--future Bodhisattvas one and all, by their own admission--are members of a "rucksack revolution." Carefree wanderers, they compare themselves to those Zen Lunatics immortalized in classic Japanese sumi painting, caught in swift brush strokes as they gaily loaf, or stroll about laughing fit to kill at the whole ephemeral world of illusory phenomena****************
Indeed, indeed....!
Michael Pendragon
Jan 7, 2020, 8:27:06 AM1/7/20
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/ˈdärmə/
noun
(in Indian religion) the eternal and inherent nature of reality, regarded in Hinduism as a cosmic law underlying right behavior and social order.
(in Buddhism) the nature of reality regarded as a universal truth taught by the Buddha; the teaching of Buddhism.
an aspect of truth or reality.
Please explain how living in one's own filth qualifies as "dharma."
Thank you.
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 7, 2020, 9:17:33 AM1/7/20
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You over-complicate while lack actual knowledge of Jack Kerouac and his Dharma Bums concept that "Kerouac discovered by way of Henry David Thoreau"....
http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
"Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
--Jack Kerouac
"At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
"Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
"The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
"Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
--Jack Kerouac
"At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
"Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
"The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jan 7, 2020, 9:29:06 AM1/7/20
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If you want to say I live like Kerouac, you don't. I can guarantee he had a refrigerator, filled. His nomadic life was filled with bars, women and fellow anti folks.
He died at 47 from drink, far from the trees and nature.
His on the road was well financed. It is easy to write of anything when the belly is full and the ladies light your smokes.
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 7, 2020, 9:46:52 AM1/7/20
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:29
This is why we should really read up on Jack Kerouac before just posting the stereotyped image....
> He died at 47 from drink, far from the trees and nature
Not true about far from nature, as Kerouac actually was said to have talked to the giant pine tree behind his house in Florida..... and he died not long after neighbors and the City workers had it sawed down for safety reasons.....
This is why we should really read up on Jack Kerouac before just posting the stereotyped image....
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 7, 2020, 9:48:45 AM1/7/20
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Edward Rochester Esq. wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:29
> His on the road was well financed
Again, this is not true in every aspect.......
Michael Pendragon
Jan 7, 2020, 9:50:14 AM1/7/20
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On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:17:33 AM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
I've read Thoreau. I don't see your life as corresponding to his in any way, shape or form.
I've studied Eastern religions, and don't see any inkling of Dharma in your life.
I've seen 100s (perhaps 1,000s) of pissbums in NYC. Their lives seem to match with yours entirely. I'll bet they also enjoy watching the sun set on the Hudson while sipping from a bottle of Ripple.
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 7, 2020, 9:53:49 AM1/7/20
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:50
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:17:33 AM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
> > You over-complicate while lack actual knowledge of Jack Kerouac and his Dharma Bums concept that "Kerouac discovered by way of Henry David Thoreau".....
> >
> > http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
> >
> > "Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
> > --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
> >
>
> I'm am trying to understand how the "dharma" aspect comes in
Try to look at it without the bias and hatred you have for me, for starters......!
> > http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
> >
> > "Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
> > --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
> >
>
> I'm am trying to understand how the "dharma" aspect comes in
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jan 7, 2020, 9:54:21 AM1/7/20
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Don't get me wrong, the beats had their day, looking for the ease of tossing all things overboard, but in the end, the pine he talked to became a coffin.
Zod-The...@none.i2p
Jan 7, 2020, 9:55:36 AM1/7/20
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Michael Pendragon wrote on Tue, 07 January 2020 14:50
You gave it.....
So shut up and move on......!
> On Tuesday, January 7, 2020 at 9:17:33 AM UTC-5, Zod-The...@none.i2p wrote:
> > You over-complicate while lack actual knowledge of Jack Kerouac and his Dharma Bums concept that "Kerouac discovered by way of Henry David Thoreau".....
> >
> > http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
> >
> > "Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
> > --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
> >
>
>
>
> > http://www.stevenmarx.net/2013/10/beatnik-buddhism-in-jack-kerouacs-the-dharma-bums-2/
> >
> > "Well I went to the library to read Thoreau. I said, 'I'm going to cut out from civilization and go back and live in the woods like Thoreau..."
> > --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "At this time I was a perfect Dharma Bum myself and considered myself a religious wanderer...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "Dharma Bums refusing to subscribe to the general demand that they consume production and therefore have to work for the privilege of consuming, all that crap they didn't really want anyway such as refrigerators, TV sets, cars...a great rucksack revolution thousands or even millions of young Americans wandering around with rucksacks, going up to mountains to pray...being kind and also by strange unexpected acts keep giving visions of eternal freedom to everybody....." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > "The little St. Teresa bum.... hopping a freight from L.A. to Santa Barbara.... was the first genuine Dharma Bum I'd met, and the second was the number one Dharma Bum of them all and in fact it was he, Japhy Ryder, who coined the phrase...." --Jack Kerouac
> >
> > Again, you try to define while having never read the text, Pendragon.....
> >
>
>
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> I've read Thoreau. I don't see your life as corresponding to his
You have the right to that opinion.....
You gave it.....
So shut up and move on......!
Michael Pendragon
Jan 7, 2020, 9:57:41 AM1/7/20
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You claim that you're a Dharma Bum. I say that you're just a bum.
What makes you any different from the average stinkbum?
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jan 7, 2020, 9:58:04 AM1/7/20
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