the dockery/cythera truce agreement
matt
i, will dockery, agree that i don't know one god damn
thing about poetry.
i fully admit that cythera is the master and i'm the student.
i acknowledge that when cythera enters the room, i'm to
remove my hat, get down on my knees and beg for the
opportunity to hear what she has to say.
i fully admit that i've never known what i'm talking about
when it comes to poetry, or much else and that all i do
is poison aapc with my lies and slanderous comments
toward such experts as dale and karla.
i promise to apologize to dale and karla at the next available
opportunity. (it doesn't matter why...i'm simply to apologize.)
from now on, when dale or karla enter the room, i'm to get
down on my hands and knees and beg to be allowed to shut
the fuck up while they talk.
i promise not to post any more useless links to my myspace
page, twitter page or youtube page from here on out.
i promise to email cythera any poems i would like to post
on aapc in order to get her approval BEFORE posting.
(if she declines, i gracefully either submit another or bow
out of the request.)
i hearby admit that george dance does not know what the fuck
he's talking about when it comes to poetry.
i promise not to enter into the conflict when either cythera,
dale or karla start laying in on george.
i promise to praise every little fuckin' thing cythera writes...
especially any poem she gracefully...out of the kindness of
her tender little heart...decides to post on aapc.
at last, i swear that if i break any of the above agreements, the
truce is off.
signed,
will dockery
matt
Karla
You're a scary guy.
Will Dockery
Ah, come on, Karla... you know that was at least a little bit funny...
--
"She Sleeps Tight" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
matt
>
> - Show quoted text -
i don't think she was using "scary" in a negative context.
matt
Will Dockery
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> i don't think she was using "scary" in a negative context.
>
> matt
Ah... okay... my eyes are getting... heavy... been a long night and
morning of rock and rolling here in Shadowville. I'll get back to you
later... heh.
matt
> On 7-Aug-2009, matt <qoph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 7, 1:44 am, Karla <karl...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > > You're a scary guy.
>
> > matt
>
that's a gamble that's only gonna last six days...
it says right there on the reader.
matt
Barbara's Cat
> Who trolls aapc?
George Dance.
--
Cm~
"I don't go around starting fights with anyone"
- George Dance lying again
matt
<c...@XSPAMscientist.com> wrote:
> Goober Dance quacked asking:
>
> > Who?
>
>Dance.
>
> --
>See Em~
>
> "I don't go around starting fights with anyone"
Peter J Ross
matt <qop...@gmail.com> wrote:
<...>
Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
Karla <kar...@comcast.net> wrote:
> You're a scary guy.
I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
newsgroup?
Will Dockery
I have a good joke here, but I don't want to tell it and ruin the
truce.
--
"She Sleeps Tight" by Dockery & Mallard (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
Karla
>In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT),
>Karla <kar...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> You're a scary guy.
>
>I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
>fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
>newsgroup?
Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people. I'll tell you more if you
get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
"Friend"!
Karla
Will Dockery
>
> You're a scary guy.
<snip>
> Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people.
How is his "following" any different from, say, Gary Gamble following
people (such as Vera, Pandora and Sharon McElroy), or any number of /
my/ followers, who you seem to enjoy?
--
"Ashes to Justice" by Dockery, Mallard & Madaris:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzwD5-UI0p4
Karla
wrote:
>Karla wrote:
>>
>> You're a scary guy.
>
><snip>
>
>> Gut reaction to �how he follows after certain people.
>
>How is his "following" any different from, say, Gary Gamble following
>people (such as Vera, Pandora and Sharon McElroy), or any number of /
>my/ followers, who you seem to enjoy?
I wrote "gut reaction" - I didn't write that I'd analyzed it. Do you know the
difference?
With respect to whom I seem to enjoy, I think that's my business, right? You're
not in my head, you don't know my criteria, you don't know what I like or don't
like, what I jive with, what is fun to me. I suspect you lack basic empathy in
general. It's all a mystery to you, isn't it? And it wouldn't matter to you at
all if I said I like people's poetry but not necessarily their Usenet persona,
or I like reading their comments and analysis, or I like my interactions with
them. It's immeasurable. Unless I wrote "Will Dockery" in there somewhere, you'd
have to fall back on your usual code words to get you through the night.
Will Dockery
>
> You're not in my head
And likewise, you're not in mine... so why do you always pretend to
be?
Karla
wrote:
>Karla wrote:
>>
>> You're not in my head
>
>And likewise, you're not in mine... so why do you always pretend to
>be?
Disingenuous as usual. I post the first comment to this thread, respond to
questions about my post, and now it's about you? Farkin' get over yourself!
So, do you know the difference between a gut reaction and reasoned analysis?
Betcha you'll name call and not answer the question!
Will Dockery
"Karla" wrote:
>
> now it's about you?
No, it can be about you and your head, Karla.
matt
that's a laugh...
she outlines how scary i am, then promptly
goes to work trying dig into people's heads...
setting up a perfect us vs. them atmosphere
that she'll later come to criticize me for making.
lies
lies
lies
lies
and more lies.
matt
George Dance
> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:58:41 +0100, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT),
>
> >> You're a scary guy.
>
> >I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
> >fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
> >newsgroup?
>
> Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people.
What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
> I'll tell you more if you
> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
> "Friend"!
>
Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
George Dance
> On 9-Aug-2009, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
> > been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
> > around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
> > been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
>
The time you followed me onto other groups after I'd left AAPC and
RAP, of course.
>
> Let's see if you can go one day without mentioning my name.
>
There's yesterday; and the day before; and the day before that; and
the day before that; and ... oh, I'll let you count them (assuming you
can count that high).
matt
i believe it's at six days...
at least, that's what the reader says.
matt
George Dance
> Where are the voices in your head telling you that I *followed* you to,
> troll?
>
If anyone wants to know, I'll tell them. No sense telling you, as you
don't; you're
> just here to argue,
>
for the sake of arguing.
> No,
>
> Yes,
Karla
wrote:
>On Aug 8, 7:17�pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:58:41 +0100, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT),
>> >Karla <karl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> You're a scary guy.
>>
>> >I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
>> >fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
>> >newsgroup?
>>
>> Gut reaction to �how he follows after certain people.
>
>What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
>been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
>around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
>been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
You must admit that's a loaded question, George. I'll deal with the loaded part
below. But as for parsing it out, I don't want to - it's a gut reaction.
Your loaded question poses a few problems for you, once again. Remember your
Gwyneth Box fiasco? You made assumptions about her aapc participation. They were
incorrect. You're doing that again. I may be wrong but based on input from
friends who have spoken to Gary in real life, I believe he participated on aapc
long before you & I came around. You see where I'm going with this? Gary, like
many others, reads aapc and rap.
>> I'll tell you more if you
>> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
>> "Friend"!
>>
>
>Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
Oh, don't be silly - I just want pjr to participate on FB. Let me tempt him
further: he who was dead has risen on FB!!!
Karla
Will Dockery
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT), George Dance wrote:
> >On Aug 8, 7:17 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> You're a scary guy.
>
>
> >What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
> >been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
> >around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
> >been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
>
> friends who have spoken to Gary in real life, I believe he participated on aapc
> long before you & I came around. You see where I'm going with this? Gary, like
> many others, reads aapc and rap.
No, but tell us more. Why does it matter how long Gary Gamble has
posted here and what does that have to do with the fact that he
regularly follows and harasses people on the newsgroups?
George Dance
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT), George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> >On Aug 8, 7:17 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:58:41 +0100, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >Karla <karl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> You're a scary guy.
>
> >> >I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
> >> >fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
> >> >newsgroup?
>
> >> Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people.
>
> >What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
> >been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
> >around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
> >been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
>
> You must admit that's a loaded question, George. I'll deal with the loaded part
> below. But as for parsing it out, I don't want to - it's a gut reaction.
>
Matt must be doing *something* for you to have such a reaction. But,
whatever. I remember someone (please next paragraph) saying much worse
about me, based only on a vague impression she had. It's not something
one has to support rationally.
> Your loaded question poses a few problems for you, once again. Remember your
> Gwyneth Box fiasco? You made assumptions about her aapc participation.
Of course I remember it. You trolled me into that by misstating what
those "assumptions" of mine were:
"You made that same mistake not that long ago
with someone by assuming that because they didn't post as much as you,
they
didn't read it."
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/7380b205c287fa86?hl=en
When my reply to that also contained an inaccuracy, you and "someone"
started a flamewar which trashed Matt's thread thoroughly.
> They were
> incorrect.
So were your comments which began it. So were later comments both you
and "someone" made in that thread. Don't forget that.
> You're doing that again.
So may you; at least the part about trashing the thread. 8)
> I may be wrong but based on input from
> friends who have spoken to Gary in real life, I believe he participated on aapc
> long before you & I came around. You see where I'm going with this? Gary, like
> many others, reads aapc and rap.
I didn't say anything about his reading of AAPC and RAP; I was talking
about his following me to AAP in Dec. 07 and crossposting the threads
back onto RAP. (as here:)
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry/msg/a0c849e1adc3abad?hl=en
> >> I'll tell you more if you
> >> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
> >> "Friend"!
>
> >Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
>
> Oh, don't be silly - I just want pjr to participate on FB. Let me tempt him
> further: he who was dead has risen on FB!!!
>
Oh, my. Has he been entertaining you with his stories about the "pre-
teen girls" I allegedly lust after? (Another loaded question, of
course.)
Karla
wrote:
>On Aug 9, 5:07�pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
I wasn't trolling. It's my differing understanding of Usenet participation from
yours. I think people read both groups but may not post to both groups. They
have varying motivations for when they do post. If you're not posting, I assume
you're working, wining and dining the wife, or just have nothing to say. I
wouldn't consider you a casual reader because you weren't posting. You look at
it differently.
>"You made that same mistake not that long ago
>with someone by assuming that because they didn't post as much as you,
>they
>didn't read it."
>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/7380b205c287fa86?hl=en
>
>When my reply to that also contained an inaccuracy, you and "someone"
>started a flamewar which trashed Matt's thread thoroughly.
>
>> They were
>> incorrect.
>
>So were your comments which began it. So were later comments both you
>and "someone" made in that thread. Don't forget that.
>
>> You're doing that again.
>
>So may you; at least the part about trashing the thread. 8)
>
>> I may be wrong but based on input from
>> friends who have spoken to Gary in real life, I believe he participated on aapc
>> long before you & I came around. You see where I'm going with this? Gary, like
>> many others, reads aapc and rap.
>
>I didn't say anything about his reading of AAPC and RAP; I was talking
>about his following me to AAP in Dec. 07 and crossposting the threads
>back onto RAP. (as here:)
>
>http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry/msg/a0c849e1adc3abad?hl=en
Please explain what you mean by "follow." I think it's difficult to make that
argument if someone is reading both groups. To bring it real world, because a
word like "follow" sounds real world (and a bit paranoid), if I've sipped coffee
at Cafe Effray� and also down the street at �crous et Haricots Fous since 1995,
and you begin drinking coffee at both places, in say, 2002, and then just
exclusively at one place in 2003, and later at another in 2004, etc., but I've
continued enjoying coffee at both, who is following whom? Or are you just doing
your thing and I am doing my thing (apologies to Fritz)?
>> >> I'll tell you more if you
>> >> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
>> >> "Friend"!
>>
>> >Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
>>
>> Oh, don't be silly - I just want pjr to participate on FB. Let me tempt him
>> further: he who was dead has risen on FB!!!
>>
>
>Oh, my. Has he been entertaining you with his stories about the "pre-
>teen girls" I allegedly lust after? (Another loaded question, of
>course.)
Talk about being trolled!
Karla
Will Dockery
> On Aug 9, 5:07 pm, Karla wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT), George Dance wrote:
> >>Karla wrote:
>
> > >> >> You're a scary guy.
>
> > >> >I think matt's a boring little wanker. What's scary about him? The
> > >> >fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
> > >> >newsgroup?
>
> > >> Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people.
>
> > >What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
> > >been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
> > >around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
> > >been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
>
> > You must admit that's a loaded question, George. I'll deal with the loaded part
> > below. But as for parsing it out, I don't want to - it's a gut reaction.
>
> Matt must be doing *something* for you to have such a reaction.
Something Karla doesn't want to gossip about on public Usenet, the way
she puts it.
> whatever. I remember someone (please next paragraph) saying much worse
> about me, based only on a vague impression she had. It's not something
> one has to support rationally.
>
> > Your loaded question poses a few problems for you, once again. Remember your
> > Gwyneth Box fiasco? You made assumptions about her aapc participation.
>
> Of course I remember it. You trolled me into that by misstating what
> those "assumptions" of mine were:
>
> "You made that same mistake not that long ago
> with someone by assuming that because they didn't post as much as you,
> they
> didn't read it."http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/7380b205c2...
Or more of his bizarre fantasies about Chuck's father? Facebook seems
like a better place for all that obsessive crap than here, anyhow.
matt
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:55:04 -0700 (PDT),
>
>
> <...>
>
> Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
>
> --
> PJR :-)
>
> <http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/verse/>
awe...are gonna exchange insults in a little pissing contest now..?
i've got an idea...explain which part of my dockery/cythera truce
agreement you don't agree with. and, be careful, pete...this
is an area where you usually step in your own shit.
matt
Will Dockery
> On Aug 8, 3:55 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 19:55:04 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > matt <qoph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > <...>
>
> > Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
>
> > --
> > PJR :-)
>
>
> i've got an idea...explain which part of my dockery/cythera truce
> agreement you don't agree with. and, be careful, pete...this
> is an area where you usually step in your own shit.
Due to the terms of the truce I am not at liberty to comment.
--
"She Sleeps Tight" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
Peter J Ross
>>
>> Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
Well?
Be a man for a change, and fuck off from a place where you're
unwelcome.
Will Dockery
> >> <...>
>
> >> Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
>
> Well?
>
> Be a man for a change, and fuck off from a place where you're
> unwelcome.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
Could be why he's staying, since Matt's very welcome here, PJR.
Peter J Ross
Dockery <shado...@knology.net> wrote:
> "Karla" wrote:
>>
>> now it's about you?
>
> No, it can be about you and your head, Karla.
"Betcha you'll name call and not answer the question!"
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
<kar...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
I have an email mailbox thingy. Why do I need this mysterious
"facebook" thingy too? It's not like I'm twelve years old.
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> u .. n .. welcome here
> Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
--
PJR :-)
matt
i know you really want the answer to this.
however, i think it's better if you figure it out for yourself.
so, we're at "fucking off from a place you're unwelcome,"
and "being a man."
let me know your progress.
oh, and feel free to let me know where i should make
improvements in my dockery/cythera truce agreement.
i'd hate to think you're evading the issue.
matt
Will Dockery
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:52:04 -0700 (PDT),
>
> > u .. n .. welcome here
> > Will Dockery & Brian Mallard
>
> --
> PJR :-)
"Try to have your post editing make sense." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt.
D.
--
"She Sleeps Tight" by Will Dockery & Brian Mallard (video):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
George Dance
> On Aug 10, 7:44 pm, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> > >> <...>
>
> > >> Why don't you fuck off, you boring little wanker?
>
> > Well?
>
> > Be a man for a change, and fuck off from a place where you're
> > unwelcome.
>
> > --
> > PJR :-)
>
> Could be why he's staying, since Matt's very welcome here, PJR.
>
I welcome his input, too.
George Dance
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 14:55:34 -0700 (PDT), George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
> wrote:
> >On Aug 9, 5:07 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 9 Aug 2009 07:38:58 -0700 (PDT), George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Aug 8, 7:17 pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
> >> >> On Sat, 08 Aug 2009 23:58:41 +0100, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >> >In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 6 Aug 2009 22:44:19 -0700 (PDT),
> >> >> >Karla <karl...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> >> >> You're a scary guy.
>
> >> >> >fact that he's incapable of participating usefully in a poetry
> >> >> >newsgroup?
>
> >> >> Gut reaction to how he follows after certain people.
>
> >> >What do you mean, he "follows after certain people". Do you mean he's
> >> >been following them to other groups, the way eg. ggamble followed me
> >> >around the first time I left AAPC (and RAP)? Or do you just mean he's
> >> >been replying or commenting here on what they post here?
>
> >> You must admit that's a loaded question, George. I'll deal with the loaded part
> >> below. But as for parsing it out, I don't want to - it's a gut reaction.
>
> >Matt must be doing *something* for you to have such a reaction. But,
> >whatever. I remember someone (please next paragraph) saying much worse
> >about me, based only on a vague impression she had. It's not something
> >one has to support rationally.
>
> >> Your loaded question poses a few problems for you, once again. Remember your
> >> Gwyneth Box fiasco? You made assumptions about her aapc participation.
>
> >Of course I remember it. You trolled me into that by misstating what
> >those "assumptions" of mine were:
>
> I wasn't trolling. It's my differing understanding of Usenet participation from
> yours. I think people read both groups but may not post to both groups. They
> have varying motivations for when they do post. If you're not posting, I assume
> you're working, wining and dining the wife, or just have nothing to say. I
> wouldn't consider you a casual reader because you weren't posting. You look at
> it differently.
>
You could have simply been mistaken about my "assumptions", or you
could have been simply bullshitting to try to divert the conversation.
When you repeat the same misstatements, months later after you've been
corrected on them, then it becomes obvious that you're doing the
latter. So I'll leave this troll of yours aside and try to get back to
the original topic: your allegation about Matt.
>
> >"You made that same mistake not that long ago
> >with someone by assuming that because they didn't post as much as you,
> >they
> >didn't read it."
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/7380b205c2...
>
> >When my reply to that also contained an inaccuracy, you and "someone"
> >started a flamewar which trashedMatt'sthread thoroughly.
>
> >> They were
> >> incorrect.
>
> >So were your comments which began it. So were later comments both you
> >and "someone" made in that thread. Don't forget that.
>
> >> You're doing that again.
>
> >So may you; at least the part about trashing the thread. 8)
>
> >> I may be wrong but based on input from
> >> friends who have spoken to Gary in real life, I believe he participated on aapc
> >> long before you & I came around. You see where I'm going with this? Gary, like
> >> many others, reads aapc and rap.
>
> >I didn't say anything about his reading of AAPC and RAP; I was talking
> >about his following me to AAP in Dec. 07 and crossposting the threads
> >back onto RAP. (as here:)
>
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry/msg/a0c849e1adc3abad?hl=en
>
> Please explain what you mean by "follow."
It means he was stalking, of course: that he seeks out a person's
posts, throughout Usenet, just to troll and flame them. Exactly what
you accused Matt of.
> I think it's difficult to make that
> argument if someone is reading both groups.
Well, now: maybe it's incorrect to assume, from the fact ggamble
doesn't post to AAP, that he doesn't read it. But it's surely as wrong
(and less justified) to assume, from the fact ggamble doesn't post to
AAP, that he *does* read it.
> To bring it real world, because a
> word like "follow" sounds real world (and a bit paranoid)
Yes, it does. That's why I asked to elaborate on your claim that Matt
"follows after certain people" -- to which you replied, "I don't want
to", and proceeded to try to divert the discussion.
>, if I've sipped coffee
> at Cafe Effrayé and also down the street at Écrous et Haricots Fous since 1995,
> and you begin drinking coffee at both places, in say, 2002, and then just
> exclusively at one place in 2003, and later at another in 2004, etc., but I've
> continued enjoying coffee at both, who is following whom? Or are you just doing
> your thing and I am doing my thing (apologies to Fritz)?
>
> >> >> I'll tell you more if you
> >> >> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
> >> >> "Friend"!
>
> >> >Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
>
> >> Oh, don't be silly - I just want pjr to participate on FB. Let me tempt him
> >> further: he who was dead has risen on FB!!!
>
> >Oh, my. Has he been entertaining you with his stories about the "pre-
> >teen girls" I allegedly lust after? (Another loaded question, of
> >course.)
>
> Talk about being trolled!
>
Non-answer noted. I'll have to assume you're talking about me and the
other "fuckwits" (as Peter's now calling them), and that you're co-
ordinating your efforts to take aapc "back" (as he also put it) over
there.
One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
well?
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she mentioned bringing the whole thing they're doing
to facebook when she prompted pete to accept
her as a "friend" on there.
not a bad idea...poetry and poetry related topics
here...bullshit and bullshit related topics over there.
sign me up for that one.
to be completely honest, i'm including dockery in
that scenario...i don't really like the fact that he
uses aapc as a constant launching pad to start
off his music career. how can aapc help him with that?
i mean, post lyrics...let's talk about them...but, the
constant advertisements about upcoming shows
makes me feel like i'm talking to a spam machine at times.
matt
Karla
wrote:
>On Aug 9, 6:14�pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
I can see why you wouldn't want to acknowledge that people might read and not
post, and that we don't have any way of knowing that. I only know Gwyneth's name
from this past year, that I can recall, and that it appears that PJR might have
known her for a longer time. But I never came to the conclusion that she was a
casual anything based on her posts. She saw what you wrote and told us herself
about her participation. Her seeing it had nothing to do with me. I didn't email
her or cross-post it or contact anyone to tell her. I didnt' think anything I
said was any big deal. You're just paranoid.
My own opinion about Gary's posts to you is that he thinks you're an idiot, and
that, for Gary, there's comic value in calling you out. Something about his
posts sure get to you. His posts in general are what, 10:1 to yours?
>> I think it's difficult to make that
>> argument if someone is reading both groups.
>
>Well, now: maybe it's incorrect to assume, from the fact ggamble
>doesn't post to AAP, that he doesn't read it. But it's surely as wrong
>(and less justified) to assume, from the fact ggamble doesn't post to
>AAP, that he *does* read it.
My own assumption goes like this: I don't know who is reading what, therefore
I'll assume they may be reading the groups I post to.
>> To bring it real world, because a
>> word like "follow" sounds real world (and a bit paranoid)
>
>
>Yes, it does. That's why I asked to elaborate on your claim that Matt
>"follows after certain people" -- to which you replied, "I don't want
>to", and proceeded to try to divert the discussion.
>
>>, if I've sipped coffee
>> at Cafe Effray� and also down the street at �crous et Haricots Fous since 1995,
>> and you begin drinking coffee at both places, in say, 2002, and then just
>> exclusively at one place in 2003, and later at another in 2004, etc., but I've
>> continued enjoying coffee at both, who is following whom? Or are you just doing
>> your thing and I am doing my thing (apologies to Fritz)?
>>
>> >> >> I'll tell you more if you
>> >> >> get your arse on Facebook, accept the lot of us requesting to be added as
>> >> >> "Friend"!
>>
>> >> >Is there some reason you don't want this group to hear your "more"?
>>
>> >> Oh, don't be silly - I just want pjr to participate on FB. Let me tempt him
>> >> further: he who was dead has risen on FB!!!
>>
>> >Oh, my. Has he been entertaining you with his stories about the "pre-
>> >teen girls" I allegedly lust after? (Another loaded question, of
>> >course.)
>>
>> Talk about being trolled!
>>
>
>Non-answer noted. I'll have to assume you're talking about me and the
>other "fuckwits" (as Peter's now calling them), and that you're co-
>ordinating your efforts to take aapc "back" (as he also put it) over
>there.
>
>One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
>Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
>that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
>well?
I've read rap and aapc on and off since 1997. I don't see that changing any time
soon. That's as far as my obsession with Usenet goes.
Clearly you don't understand Facebook though. Much of it is ephemeral.
Karla
P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy which finally
listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00 a month. They'd increased
the price of their cheapest plan and lost many of us who just read text-based
newsgroups.
George Dance
> On Sat, 22 Aug 2009 06:58:07 -0700 (PDT), George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca>
Oh, I see; that's your story about me, and you're sticking to it. You
think that if you keep repeating it often enough, someone will
actually believe I said anything about people who don't post not
reading the group. Obviously there are people who read AAPC and don't
post; the group has over 400 subscribers, at least 90% of which don't
post here in any given month. One last time: Please stop trying to
pretend that I ever said otherwise.
> , and that we don't have any way of knowing that. I only know Gwyneth's name
> from this past year, that I can recall, and that it appears that PJR might have
> known her for a longer time.
They've been posting to each other on RAP for most of this year. And
they did pop up on AAPC at the same time, in the same thread.
Oh, my. If this were real life, Gary would never need toilet paper.
Can you quit the flaming and address the issue: your claim that Matt
is a stalker?
> >> I think it's difficult to make that
> >> argument if someone is reading both groups.
>
> >Well, now: maybe it's incorrect to assume, from the fact ggamble
> >doesn't post to AAP, that he doesn't read it. But it's surely as wrong
> >(and less justified) to assume, from the fact ggamble doesn't post to
> >AAP, that he *does* read it.
>
> My own assumption goes like this: I don't know who is reading what, therefore
> I'll assume they may be reading the groups I post to.
>
>
> >> To bring it real world, because a
> >> word like "follow" sounds real world (and a bit paranoid)
>
> >Yes, it does. That's why I asked to elaborate on your claim that Matt
> >"follows after certain people" -- to which you replied, "I don't want
> >to", and proceeded to try to divert the discussion.
>
> >>, if I've sipped coffee
> >> at Cafe Effrayé and also down the street at Écrous et Haricots Fous since 1995,
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>
i like her writing more than her cyber personality...
karla seems to have a great ear for prose...
The Self-Sworn Assassin
The bird, a raven, probably just a crow, flesh
fresh and pink the length of beak, came to him
a February afternoon. Landed on his Graves,
motes and dust rising, falling like living pointillism
in the sun-backed square. No note along the leg,
just the once living dripping on the Book. Its beak
opened, and like a reversal of what he knew,
mouthed a warden's cuff about his wrist: to prison
where he'd rot before they take his head.
Certainly, a crow whose feathers rose as the wind
slammed the door and opened it again, whisking
elements before his eyes. The Lady filled the frame,
glare rivalling the Mote who'd guided his watch.
"Death," she condemned. He forced a protest --
"Why not "termination" or "finis"?" But her word was.
Groves lopped at the root fell in dull thuds.
And then "why me, who fed your altar doves
the dross remaining after I took their pens?"
She was almost gone, a distant snowy mount,
fluttering flakes of doves to-ing and fro-ing.
He smelled blood. Caught, in time,
the white plume she'd left him.
The black ventroliquist hopped off the gummy book
like a jailor turning a key, squawked "go forth.."
A charge which echoed faintly back through time
before he'd taken to smashing pots of ink.
He hoped it wasn't a cliche when pages rustled,
settled, waited. He'd read it another day, marked
the place with the plume and closed the book.
Karla
Barbara's Cat
> Goober Dance quacked:
> > One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
> > Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
> > that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
> > well?
>
>
> I've read rap and aapc on and off since 1997. I don't see that changing
> any time soon.
It appears narcissist George believes his Johnny-come-lately existence
here is of a divine calling and anyone who does not accept that George
is the Gods of Usenet's Chosen One should be considered a dirty sinner
and washed from the face of a.a.p.c.
Of course, all of Usenet's been-here-awhilers have a different belief.
> That's as far as my obsession with Usenet goes.
>
> Clearly you don't understand Facebook though. Much of it is ephemeral.
>
> Karla
>
> P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy which
> finally listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00 a month.
> They'd increased the price of their cheapest plan and lost many of us
> who just read text-based newsgroups.
Out of curiosity I went to newsguy.com to test-drive the interface
but I couldn't find where NewsGuy allows you to try-before-you-buy
and I am unwilling to shell out the $12 for their minimum fee just
for a look-see, so how do you rate the interface? Good? Okay? Bad?
--
Cm~
Writing
A man who keeps a diary pays,
Due toll to many tedious days;
But life becomes eventful--then,
His busy hand forgets the pen.
Most books, indeed, are records less
Of fulness than of emptiness."
- William Allingham
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> Karla said:
>
> > Goober Dance quacked:
> > > One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
> > > Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
> > > that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
> > > well?
>
> > I've read rap and aapc on and off since 1997. I don't see that changing
> > any time soon.
>
> It appears narcissist George believes his Johnny-come-lately existence
> here is of a divine calling and anyone who does not accept that George
> is the Gods of Usenet's Chosen One should be considered a dirty sinner
> and washed from the face of a.a.p.c.
>
> Of course, all of Usenet's been-here-awhilers have a different belief.
>
oh me oh my...the little Brat That Could
exposes a much anticipated whine that
they so carefully try not to "squit" when
trolling usenet...thanks dude...you're
hypocrisy is duly noted...incidentally,
do you plan on writing any poetry
and posting it here any time soon...
or, is more whining on the way...?
i think i know the answer to that...save
your "squit" reply.
matt
Barbara's Cat
> oh me oh my...the little Brat That Could
> exposes a much anticipated whine that
> they so carefully try not to "squit" when
> trolling usenet...thanks dude...you're
> hypocrisy is duly noted...incidentally,
> do you plan on writing any poetry
> and posting it here any time soon...
> or, is more whining on the way...?
>
> i think i know the answer to that...save
> your "squit" reply.
>
> matt
> http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/t_for_turbo/moron.jpg
You should include that URL with all your posts.
--
Cm~
"i may be allot of things but
illiterate is far from one of them."
- Shit.Is.As.Shit.Does
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http://www.homotron.net/images/homotron/258Troll_spray.jpg
i'll just post the above link when attempting
to communicate with the Little Brat That Could.
"talk to me when you have a language"
Barbara's Anonymous Little Brat
Karla
wrote:
>Karla said:
>
>> Goober Dance quacked:
>
>> > One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
>> > Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
>> > that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
>> > well?
>>
>>
>> I've read rap and aapc on and off since 1997. I don't see that changing
>> any time soon.
>
>
>It appears narcissist George believes his Johnny-come-lately existence
>here is of a divine calling and anyone who does not accept that George
>is the Gods of Usenet's Chosen One should be considered a dirty sinner
>and washed from the face of a.a.p.c.
>
>Of course, all of Usenet's been-here-awhilers have a different belief.
I remember when I first read George and was happy to read him. He's settled into
something else here.
>> That's as far as my obsession with Usenet goes.
>>
>> Clearly you don't understand Facebook though. Much of it is ephemeral.
>>
>> Karla
>>
>> P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy which
>> finally listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00 a month.
>> They'd increased the price of their cheapest plan and lost many of us
>> who just read text-based newsgroups.
>
>
>Out of curiosity I went to newsguy.com to test-drive the interface
>but I couldn't find where NewsGuy allows you to try-before-you-buy
>and I am unwilling to shell out the $12 for their minimum fee just
>for a look-see, so how do you rate the interface? Good? Okay? Bad?
Good questions. I sent an email to Newsguy to ask if there is such a thing.
Karla
>On Aug 22, 2:24�pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Aug 22, 3:54�pm, Karla <karl...@NEVERcomcast.net> wrote:
>>
>
>
>i like her writing more than her cyber personality...
>
>karla seems to have a great ear for prose...
Thanks!
Your prose comment dovetails well with my earlier thought to myself that I want
to work on this old poem which reads very prosey. People like it and request it
but I'm not happy with it. Comments welcome.
Despite
He smacked the water fracturing his knees,
burning his scrotum, belly, underarms,
torpedoed downward slower now, the motion
razored away his body hair, bent back eyelids.
Slower still, bending away from his descent,
his body betrayed him in water but distance
plus speed won. He crumpled like feathers
in disturbed dirt, unholy clouds ringing him.
He took in wetness, breathing out rivulets,
snorting fire liquid, interrupted oxygen.
Where was death? Looking around he saw
translucent wheat waving a yard away,
glittering strands floating upward. A form,
human mounding still and resting below,
bubbles rising between the wheat. Swam closer.
The hillocks of her face, nutmeg in shadows,
lacked puffiness of long habitation, he thought
her arrival preceded his by moments, though
dark hair streaming from her head drew algae
like magnets, night lights for her chosen sleep.
She lay deep in ocean sands, plump legs, high breasts
already an artificial terrain of hills. Her hands floated,
ten fleshy ridges, near her thin cream gown which
rose and fell like one large sail above her corpulence.
She breathed. He noticed his own life housed within
resilient beyond his will, turned from the lady,
sought sleep, commanded one last breath. It left.
Vexed, he thought a last thought, for the mind crackles
in meaning, molded after life. Was he suppose to save
her before his death? All air gone, he flailed to her side
grimaced at her comic form, unsuited to high drama.
Prince in dread waters, he summoned a kiss for still juicy
lips, as he'd been a well-read child, pressed against sea-
gelled flesh, drew a breath from her without thinking.
Like morning on earth, when sun awakes you, her lids
snapped open to let in beams, fugilin eyes repelling light.
He withdrew in selfishness, joyous in the coursing
of oxygen. Depart, he whispered to his soul, you bring harm.
Some lingering taste, rain-washed grass, raw earth remained
tickling him. He could not leave. Swimming closer again
he watched her see nothing with her darkened orbs, bent close
and took a kiss. Leafy fronds possessed his mouth, he saw
a maple tree take root, sap zinging towards each limb. He
kissed again and again, earth moved in quake speed from roots
to roots beneath the sun, glorious in spring, never to be seen
again. She watched, round eyes rolled to his face, bubbles
rising still and he left her for his long climb up to life.
Leaving weight behind in his ascent he soon halted. All still
dark overhead and he lacked air. He dove, taking on the sea
a cape, tracked her bubbled rest. Closing his eyes he kissed,
thrust his grassy tongue deep, sucked her lips like teats,
a forest spread through him. Upward, faster, wasting not
her stolen breath, upward and buoyant, scrambling away. Yet
he failed far from life. Where was death, he whispered,
like an early frost stalling lilies? He wept.
She met him arms floating like a deadly levitation, and as he
hugged her close, her bubbles tickled him. Red lips parted,
the lady's black ringed irises let loose knowing on her face.
He closed his eyes and kissed and licked and sucked his lover,
tore her bodice, found her nipples unabashed erect, and drank.
World dreams, crocodiles, boys with toy trucks, mailboxes
flags up, squeezed his chambers forcing pain to say its name.
He did not leave, curled between her thighs, rested his cheek
on her belly. Heat radiated like a natural spring, rocking
him while the storms whipped mud into the boy's nose and eyes,
spilled letters into the streets, swallowed up hopes in one
long, smiling bite. So it was. And her heat sustained. When
he opened his eyes, he squinted in streaming surface light.
Gasped back earthly breath, grabbed for his lady's hand.
Grasped the thin lining of his grave, wet and slippery. She
was nowhere to be found. A man, he bore the pain to shore.
Karla
11/1/98
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i liked it...wouldn't change a thing...very steamy and full
of weight...nothing like a big fat steak when you want to eat.
great work!
Her Illustrious Ashes
Her Ashes rained down
after it was discovered,
too late, that the jar lid
had not been properly fastened
and Ted was making his point,
with waiving hands, her in the left,
that nobody was ever going to know
where the "fuck" the tomatoes disappeared
as long as abusive language replaced
civility in conversational tone
among the guests at the wake.
As They fell, a Diamond Rain Sparkled
Mist filled the air causing a combination
of reactions, among the guests,
ranging from wild wonderment
to displaced bewilderment.
A few got showered w/ Her Illustrious Ashes,
driving a couple insane and one into
a state of religious zealotry.
Talk of the Incident was not brushed along
any lips for the duration of the evening except by
the paddy wagon drivers -- after they left the premises-
roaring down the highway, sirens blasting,
with a couple noxious k00ks tied up strait
and going down hard in the back.
"What the hell was that glowing shit? I heard someone
say it was Her Ashes. Hand me that lighter..."
He lights a cigarette and says, "Heh --
Her Illustrious Ashes -- now that sounds
like a cool name for a band."
matt
2008
(line breaks by George Dance)
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Karla said:
> > > P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy which
> > > finally listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00 a month.
> > > They'd increased the price of their cheapest plan and lost many of us
> > > who just read text-based newsgroups.
> >
> >
> > Out of curiosity I went to newsguy.com to test-drive the interface
> > but I couldn't find where NewsGuy allows you to try-before-you-buy
> > and I am unwilling to shell out the $12 for their minimum fee just
> > for a look-see, so how do you rate the interface? Good? Okay? Bad?
>
>
> Good questions. I sent an email to Newsguy to ask if there is such a thing.
Oh!? I asked for your rating because I got the impression
you had already used it. Anyway, let me know what they say.
--
Cm~
"A writer is a person for whom writing is more difficult
than it is for other people."
- Thomas Mann
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Karla said:
> >
> > > Goober Dance quacked:
> >
> > > > One question, though: why don't y'all just do your chatting on
> > > > Facebook? Or RAP, if you consider your chats so important to posterity
> > > > that they need archiving? Why the obsession with taking over AAPC as
> > > > well?
> > >
> > >
> > > I've read rap and aapc on and off since 1997. I don't see that changing
> > > any time soon.
> >
> >
> > It appears narcissist George believes his Johnny-come-lately existence
> > here is of a divine calling and anyone who does not accept that George
> > is the Gods of Usenet's Chosen One should be considered a dirty sinner
> > and washed from the face of a.a.p.c.
> >
> > Of course, all of Usenet's been-here-awhilers have a different belief.
>
>
> I remember when I first read George and was happy to read him. He's settled
> into something else here.
Dance appeared civil and honest during his first days here,
then someone posted a negative but truthful critique about
one of his poems and he quickly went the Way of the Goober
and has been posting from Quacking-Duckville ever since.
--
Cm~
"With reasonable men I will reason; with humane men I will plea;
but to tyrants I will give no quarter, nor waste arguments where
they will certainly be lost."
- William Lloyd Garrison
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that's pleasant...all grown up and belittling others..?
was it the third or fourth grade where you learned these
people skills? no matter...you've honed in on them
quite well over the years...i'd say you're a Master Brat
at about this time. a congratulations is in order.
and, an award...without a ceremony i'm afraid.
http://fruityoaty.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/biggest_whiner_statue_2.jpg
again...congrats...and, here's something to whine
some more about...george and i are staying...as
well as dockery i'm sure...so, enjoy your new
family.
matt
Karla
Thanks.
Ignoring your synonym problem, the omniscient point of view--distant,
Victorian--crashes into modern attention deficit, electronic idiom crumpling
into ashtray death, winking.
Karla
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i don't have a synomyn problem...i've got
a bunch of it in my cupboard.
the ashtray came in handy at the wake.
the rented house was specifically designed
for wakes...it came with a wake staff that
lived there. well, they're dead...that is, deadish.
they've been reanimated for the soul (har har har)
purpose of tending to wake parties. it's usually
one hell of a time.
they're not very good...they spill drinks a llot.
and, they drive the guests crazy by telling
them there are openings coming up...staff
positions- i mean, the dead don't live forever-
and that maybe the recently departed
might be interested. i heard of one party
where the recently departed was actually
serving cocktails...now THAT was a cool
wake.
ok...so, back on planet earth...thanks
for reading and commenting...see you
next time we take down our masks and
expose our real masks.
matt
Karla
wrote:
>Karla said:
>
>> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>>
>> > Karla said:
>
>> > > P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy which
>> > > finally listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00 a month.
>> > > They'd increased the price of their cheapest plan and lost many of ush
>> > > who just read text-based newsgroups.
>> >
>> >
>> > Out of curiosity I went to newsguy.com to test-drive the interface
>> > but I couldn't find where NewsGuy allows you to try-before-you-buy
>> > and I am unwilling to shell out the $12 for their minimum fee just
>> > for a look-see, so how do you rate the interface? Good? Okay? Bad?
>>
>>
>> Good questions. I sent an email to Newsguy to ask if there is such a thing.
>
>
>Oh!? I asked for your rating because I got the impression
>you had already used it. Anyway, let me know what they say.
I think the only other web based reader I've used has been Google Groups, and I
prefer Newsguy to it. I might have used Deja back in the day but have no
specific memory.
There is a 2-day free trial that comes with 20 GB data transfer. The customer
service rep told me that it's available via a member's recommendation. I found
this link, but I'm signed in. See if it works:
https://acc.newsguy.com/cgi-bin/sub_trial_form
Of course, please use my email address and name. I've also sent a referral to
you. And before any heckling begins from the peanut gallery, I couldn't care
less about any referral credits for extra download bandwidth!
Oh, elsewhere you referred to retention. Newsguy's current retention is 140
days.
For my own curiousity, I just checked out the NNTP connections to see if it
worked with the Mini plan. It's currently downloading groups to Agent now. Not
back for $2 a month. I can cancel APN.
Karla
George Dance
> > Thanks!
> > Despite
> > Karla
> > 11/1/98
Yes, it’s a neat story. I’m not exactly clear on what’s happening – is
she a mermaid, who saved him by having him “save” her? – but that’s
merely a reason to read the piece again.
I doubt Karla wants comments from me, but you could pass some of the
following on to her.
“Prosey” isn’t exactly the problem. This is narrative poetry, where
the first priority is to tell the story. Unlike lyrical poetry, which
is mostly what gets written here, where what story there is is merely
a setting for the “poetic” touches, here the story has to be in the
foreground. So there’s going to be a “prosey” element, which doesn’t
make it not poetry. Even pure prose can be poetry, as I’ve said
before.
Not that I’m an expert on narrative poetry, of course. Besides a
couple of narrative sonnetoids, I’ve written only one: “Ill Death”
last month. Before I did, though, I read considerable amounts of it,
in particular from the 20th century master of the form, E.J. Pratt.
I’d urge anyone trying to write narrative to read at least one of his
poems first. (If only one, I’d recommend “Brebeuf and his Brethren”.)
Rather than “prosey”, I’d call the perceived problem “wordy.” And I
see a fix; but first a detailed explanation of what the problem (AISI)
is.
The first 20 lines are written in loose iambic pentameter: loose
meaning that not all lines have 10 syllables, and not all the feet are
iambic, but that’s the general structure. I don’t have a problem with
those variations; in fact, I think they’re important in a longer poem,
where forcing everything into “da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM da-DUM”
could make the meter too prominent (it has to stay in the background,
and simply propel the narrative), and even end up sounding monotonous.
So I’d applaud the choice of loose iambic, and say it works.
I don’t think Karla chose that meter consciously. I notice, with me
and others, how long-line poems in English tend to slip into loose IP
on their own. That could be because it’s a “natural” length given the
language itself; it could be a cultural overlay, from Shakespear
onward; but, no matter, it’s an observed phenomenon. But there’s a
second reason for that: starting with L21, she departs from that and
begins writing longer lines. There may be an underlying meter there as
well, but – given the meter that was defined earlier – that doesn’t
show: they just look like long lines without any meter, hence the
“wordy” look, hence the apparent “prosey” sound.
So the most important “fix” I could recommend is: revisit that last
two-thirds, line-by-line, and cut each line back to the loose IP
format. That would eliminate both wordiness and “prosiness”.
Look for excess adjectives, prepositions and conjunctions that can be
cut, etc., etc. – I’m sure Karla knows how to cut a line as well as or
better than I do, so that doesn’t have to be spelled out. She does
not have to cut back to 10 syllables, or even 11; but she should cut
each line back to 5 feet. (ie, anapests and dactyls are OK).
One exception to the above: the key lines she wishes to have stand out
and be remembered (and there should be no more than one or two per
stanze), she should keep as is, and not try to recast into loose IP:
precisely so that they do stand out.
A second, less important, recommendation would be to regularize the
stanzas, so they all have roughly the same number of lines. That would
give it more of a verse look: as is, the stanzas look like paragraphs,
which reinforces the “prosey” look. But that’s a secondary tip, and
there’s no need to do it if applying the first results in a draft
Karla is satisfied with.
I’d also wish her luck, but, as I say, I doubt she’ll read any of
this, or care, anyway.
> Her Illustrious Ashes
One quick comment on this one. I appreciate the credit, but I don't
think it's necessary. I only did a quick few minutes' work here. On
the other hand, I liked seeing it and don't mind it; if you want it to
appear that way (on or off the group) that's fine with me, too. But
you don't *have to* credit me.
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Karla said:
> >
> > > Barbara's Cat wrote:
> > >
> > > > Karla said:
> > > >
> > > > > P.S. Anyone looking for a web-based newsreader, check out Newguy
> > > > > which finally listened to us and is offering a Mini plan for $2.00
> > > > > a month. They'd increased the price of their cheapest plan and lost
> > > > > many of ush who just read text-based newsgroups.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Out of curiosity I went to newsguy.com to test-drive the interface
> > > > but I couldn't find where NewsGuy allows you to try-before-you-buy
> > > > and I am unwilling to shell out the $12 for their minimum fee just
> > > > for a look-see, so how do you rate the interface? Good? Okay? Bad?
> > >
> > >
> > > Good questions. I sent an email to Newsguy to ask if there is such a
> > > thing.
> >
> >
> > Oh!? I asked for your rating because I got the impression
> > you had already used it. Anyway, let me know what they say.
>
>
> I think the only other web based reader I've used has been Google Groups,
Which is poorly designed and simply awful. Its awkward way of displaying
article threads makes it painful to navigate and view newsgroup articles
even when you have a 24" 16:10 ratio wide-screen monitor set with a bit
resolution of 1920 x 1200 (like mine). And Google's HTMLing the articles
is unnecessary and is pure fluff, especially since Usenet is text-based,
even binary files are stored as text files. Can you tell Google erks me?
> and I prefer Newsguy to it.
Are you saying you /have/ tried NewsGuy's interface and find it cleaner
and friendlier than Google's interface? Can you take a screenshot of it
and send it to me via e-mail? I am interested in seeing the interface.
And I would like to send you a screenshot of how I have Gravity setup.
Is doing that okay with you? I would like to show you how friendly and
clean Gravity's GUI is compared to Agent's GUI.
> I might have used Deja back in the day but have no specific memory.
If my recall is correct, DejaNews originally was search-and-read-only
for articles containing specific text--no listed displays of articles
in newsgroups; that and the ability to post new messages came later.
> There is a 2-day free trial that comes with 20 GB data transfer. The
> customer service rep told me that it's available via a member's
> recommendation. I found this link, but I'm signed in. See if it works:
>
> https://acc.newsguy.com/cgi-bin/sub_trial_form
I went to the above and found it is a form for signing up for a trial
membership requiring you to supply credit card information, but again,
that is something I am not willing to do just for a simple look-see.
> Of course, please use my email address and name. I've also sent a referral
> to you.
I did not received an e-mail message from you; instead, I received one
from a nice guy at NewsGuy who provided with me with a URL that took me
to a "Newsgroup & Email Account Options" web page which listed various
account types and their prices, but oddly, not their $2 per month deal.
Go figure.
> And before any heckling begins from the peanut gallery, I couldn't care
> less about any referral credits for extra download bandwidth!
Peanuts are also known as goobers.
> Oh, elsewhere you referred to retention. Newsguy's current retention is
> 140 days.
That retention is for binary groups, not for text groups, which, even
though they do not state its number, should be a much longer retention.
Giganews, for example, states 2,253 days retention for text groups.
> For my own curiousity, I just checked out the NNTP connections to see if it
> worked with the Mini plan. It's currently downloading groups to Agent now.
> Not back for $2 a month. I can cancel APN.
>
> Karla
Thank you for your efforts, feedback, etc., but I will pass on NewsGuy.
My interest in seeing their web-based interface is for judging whether
or not it is worth recommending to others, not for my use. Like I said,
I prefer using a real newsreader.
--
Cm~
"I am writing a book about the Crusades
so dull that I can scarcely write it."
- Hilaire Belloc
Barbara's Cat
> I doubt Karla wants comments from me, but you could pass
> some of the following on to her.
Going through a second childhood and reverting
to elementary school yard tactics, eh, Goober?
--
Cm~
"If you want to keep it going for years, asshole,
I don't see what other choice I have."
- George Dance explaining why
he is COMPELLED to respond.
Karla
wrote:
Yes, I've used NewsGuy for years, and prefer it to Google Groups. I'm sending
you 3 screenshots to the email address in the header minus the xspam.
>And I would like to send you a screenshot of how I have Gravity setup.
>Is doing that okay with you? I would like to show you how friendly and
>clean Gravity's GUI is compared to Agent's GUI.
That would be terrif. Thanks.
You must have the capability to use a real newsreader on your job. I don't.
Thus, Newsguy.
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
> > Are you saying you /have/ tried NewsGuy's interface and find it cleaner
> > and friendlier than Google's interface? Can you take a screenshot of it
> > and send it to me via e-mail? I am interested in seeing the interface.
>
>
> Yes, I've used NewsGuy for years, and prefer it to Google Groups. I'm
> sending you 3 screenshots to the email address in the header minus the
> xspam.
>
>
> > And I would like to send you a screenshot of how I have Gravity setup.
> > Is doing that okay with you? I would like to show you how friendly and
> > clean Gravity's GUI is compared to Agent's GUI.
>
>
> That would be terrif. Thanks.
Consider it done (in a few minutes, eh?).
> You must have the capability to use a real newsreader on your job. I don't.
> Thus, Newsguy.
I am my job, so yeah, I get to use what I want.
--
Cm~
"I don't want to achieve immortality through my work...
I want to achieve it through not dying."
- Woody Allen
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
> >Are you saying you /have/ tried NewsGuy's interface and find it cleaner
> >and friendlier than Google's interface? Can you take a screenshot of it
> >and send it to me via e-mail? I am interested in seeing the interface.
>
> Yes, I've used NewsGuy for years, and prefer it to Google Groups. I'm sending
> you 3 screenshots to the email address in the header minus the xspam.
I looked at the screenshots you sent to me (thank you)
and NewsGuy's interface is definitely much better than
Google's Google Groups horrible interface. The article
threads are cleanly listed and treed somewhat decently.
My only complaint is the interface trees the article's
subject line instead of treeing the author's name. IMO,
treeing the author's name (which Gravity does) provides
a better picture of who is responding to who.
You did not include a screenshot of how the interface
displays an article's text, but hey, from I have seen,
I can imagine and believe its display is just as clean
as its display of article threads.
Heh. You should send the screenshots to Google's inept
web page designers to show them what a /good/ interface
looks like.
--
Cm~
GORGON, n.
The Gorgon was a maiden bold
Who turned to stone the Greeks of old
That looked upon her awful brow.
We dig them out of ruins now,
And swear that workmanship so bad
Proves all the ancient sculptors mad.
- Ambrose Bierce,
/The Devil's Dictionary/
G&tSP
wrote:
>
> Going through a second childhood and reverting
> to elementary school yard tactics, eh, Goober?
>
Oh, I see. I wondered what the "Goober" name-calling was all about.
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Goober Dance quacked:
> >
> > > I doubt Karla wants comments from me, but you could pass
> > > some of the following on to her.
> >
> >
> > Going through a second childhood and reverting
> > to elementary school yard tactics, eh, Goober?
>
>
> Oh, I see. I wondered what the "Goober" name-calling was all about.
Would you prefer I call you "Moron" instead of "Goober"?
Either would be accurate, they both mean the same thing.
--
Cm~
"I don't go around starting fights with anyone"
- Moron Dance lying again
adamlynn
"I am my job, so...."
Have you considered contacting Mike Rowe?
Barbara's Cat
> And *you?ve* been ?going through a second childhood and reverting to
> elementary school yard tactics,? right, George? Or is name-calling not
> ?Childish? when *you?re* the one doing it? Please explain how that
> works.
What name-calling am I doing? I mean, really,
Professor Hawking
Doctor Spock
President Eisenhower
Goober Dance
Addressing with proper title is not name-calling.
--
Cm~
"We do what we must, and call it by the best names."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > "I am my job, so...."
>
>
> Have you considered contacting Mike Rowe?
No.
--
Cm~
"Quickly, bring me a beaker of wine, so that
I may wet my mind and say something clever."
- Aristophanes
Will Dockery
George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>On Aug 22, 10:05 pm, automattick <qoph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > (line breaks by George Dance)
>
> > > > think it�s necessary. I�ve been convinced, by what there was of the
> > > > �Workers� discussion (before it was derailed) that simply rebreaking
> > > > is not writing, but merely editing (or �monkeying�, or �fucking
> > > > around�, as it�s called when I do it.) So I don�t need any credit on
> > > > this one. Nor, come to that, do I need or deserve any credit on
> > > > �Mannequin with a Mirror,� and I�d like to take my name off that
> > > > poem
> > > > of yours as well.
>
> > > ok, george...your name is officially removed.
>
> > > now, hold up your hand...make a fist...see the
> > > amount of fingers you're holding up...that's how
> > > many people care...now, hold up your index
> > > finger...that's how many people wonder what
> > > in the fuck you're talking about.
>
> > > matt
>
> > Hey, I care -- so "how many people care" should at least be
> > represented by the index finger. As for anyone wondering; it might be
> > at least a chance for them to read the poem. (I'll give a link to the
> > post with both the original breaks and the rebreaks.)
>
> >http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/7155a9634d...
>
> > PS - Even though my name's off the poem, I'd like to urge you to keep
> > the line breaks as revised. I care about the poem, too, not just the
> > credit.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> and, in lifting it i've simply pointed
> out that you've chosen to represent the
> remaining fingers standing by removing
> yourself from the effort. the fist represents
> the amount of people who give one rats
> ass what you and i collaborate on.
> also, it represents the amount of people
> who want to hear you go on and on
> about "karla doesn't care about what
> i say..." which is another index finger
> shooting up at the sky asking God
> if he would intervene for a second
> and help poor george get his heart
> together.
>
> a collaboration matters. when you ask
> for your name to be removed, you're
> making a move. so, now you give
> a shit...well, fine...do i still remove
> your name..? CAN i remove your name
> since it WAS a collaborative effort?
> do you see where i'm going here?
>
> matt
Not exactly, but it sounds like you've got the idea I want to remove
my name out of something you've done. That's not it at all: It's
because of what I didn't do. Based on what I've been told, I didn't
write any of MiaM. Well, maybe one or two words, but otherwise all I
did was "monkey around" with the punctuation and line breaks.
Of course I still give a shit about the poem. I've comment on a lot of
poems that aren't mine, with the intent of making them better, because
I gave a shit about all those poems. That doesn't mean I give a shit
about the authors, but -- it doesn't mean I don't give a shit about
the authors, either; that's just a separate issue.
Notice how I've changed my position to "I want to remove my name".
It's not a unilateral decision; we made a collaborative decision on
the credits, and changing them would take another collaborative
decision. I just thought you'd agree, no contest. If you don't, then
tell me so directly; you can see things differently, and I won't see
them that way unless you tell me. But directly: any more parables
involving fingers, and I may try to write one involving my middle
finger.
//Heh, this reminds me of a moment last year when P.D. Wilson was taking a
picture of a piece of art in a coffeeshop I was sitting with him at, and I
was holding the art up for him. The shot caught my hand and fingers in it, a
botched shot, which we were goin to try again, but didn't for some reason,
just looking at the photo for a while. I said well, just credit me "Hand by
Will Dockery"... I never thought about it again until a couple of days ago
when looking through a gallery of Wilson art, and there it was, the piece
"by P.D. Wilson... hand by Will Dockery"...
Not that it matters to any of us, of course, but I suppose I'd be inclined
to maybe give George and "editors" credit, or the "line breaks by", maybe,
but I wouldn't go so far as to say "collaboration" if he didn't actually
write any of it.
But I've been gone about two days on vacation, and it looks like the scene
here has shifted quite a bit... need to do some scrolling and look-seeing
while I have a few minutes... have to track down the missing Knight Rider
car, I kid you not... action adventure thrills and chills, tune in for the
new edisodes of "Shadowville Friends"...
--
"Under the Radar" by Will Dockery & Sam Singer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KEQDFMNcgLA
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Cythera said:
> >
> > > On Aug 24, 6:15�am, "G&tSP" <gand...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > On Aug 24, 1:54�am, Barbara's Childish Cat <c...@XSPAMscientist.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Going through a second childhood and reverting
> > > > > to elementary school yard tactics, eh, Goober?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Oh, I see. I wondered what the "Goober" name-calling was all about.
> > >
> > >
> > > And *you've* been "going through a second childhood and reverting to
> > > elementary school yard tactics," right, George? Or is name-calling not
> > > "Childish" when *you?re* the one doing it? Please explain how that
> > > works.
> >
> >
> > What name-calling am I doing? I mean, really,
> >
> > Professor Hawking
> > Doctor Spock
> > President Eisenhower
> > Goober Dance
> >
> > Addressing with proper title is not name-calling.
>
>
> Call him ?a bad writer? and you?d be accurate without flaming.
Heh. That is what twisted George's thumbscrew in the first place.
> Or call him ?a person who promotes one standard of behavior for himself
> and a totally different standard of behavior for the people he dislikes.?
IOW, and to save from doing all that superfluous typing, "goober".
--
Cm~
"It was the Law of the Sea, they said.
Civilization ends at the waterline.
Beyond that, we all enter the food chain,
and not always right at the top."
- Hunter S Thompson
Will Dockery
> On Aug 22, 3:28 pm, Barbara's Cat <c...@XSPAMscientist.com> wrote:
>
> > > oh me oh my...the little Brat That Could
> > > exposes a much anticipated whine that
> > > they so carefully try not to "squit" when
> > > trolling usenet...thanks dude...you're
> > > hypocrisy is duly noted...incidentally,
> > > do you plan on writing any poetry
> > > and posting it here any time soon...
> > > or, is more whining on the way...?
>
> > > i think i know the answer to that...save
> > > your "squit" reply.
>
> > > matt
> > >http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e116/t_for_turbo/moron.jpg
>
> > You should include that URL with all your posts.
>
> > --
> > Cm~
>
> > "i may be allot of things but
> > illiterate is far from one of them."
> > - Shit.Is.As.Shit.Does
>
> http://www.homotron.net/images/homotron/258Troll_spray.jpg
>
> i'll just post the above link when attempting
> to communicate with the Little Brat That Could.
>
> "talk to me when you have a language"
> Barbara's Anonymous Little Brat
Of course, if Barbie waited to talk when she had a poem, we'd have had
plenty of silent momemts from her over the last five years.
Wonder how that sestina of hers is coming along, which she promised to
post almost a year ago?
matt
>
> - Show quoted text -
no...the anonymous coward known as
Barbara's Slimy Cat is quite satisfied
being a smart ass troll...the fancy
quotes are designed to thwart off
anyone doubting its poetic abilities.
just look at the brilliance...sigh...
matt
Will Dockery
> "It was the Law of the Sea, they said.
> Civilization ends at the waterline.
> Beyond that, we all enter the food chain,
> and not always right at the top."
> - Hunter S Thompson
"Do you know, once, off the hump of Brazil, I saw the ocean so darkened with
blood it was black, and the sun fadin' away over the lip of the sky. We put
in at Fortaleza. A few of us had lines out for a bit of idle fishin'. It was
me had the first strike. A shark it was, and then there was another, and
another shark again, till all about the sea was made of sharks, and more
sharks still, and no water at all. My shark had torn himself from the hook,
and the scent, or maybe the stain it was, and him bleedin' his life away,
drove the rest of 'em mad. Then the beasts took to eatin' each other. In
their frenzy, they ate at themselves. You could feel the lust of murder like
a wind stingin' your eyes, and you could smell the death, reekin' up out of
the sea. I never saw anything worse, until this little picnic tonight. And
you know, there wasn't one of them sharks in the whole crazy pack that
survived?" -Orson Welles, Lady From Shanghai
--
"Truck Stop Woman" by Dockery & Conley on 100.7 KOLT FM Cheyenne's Wide Open
Country!
http://www.kmus.com/new2/artists/i/237770?psid=303942
Will Dockery
> The Law of the Sea
>
> > "It was the Law of the Sea, they said.
> > Civilization ends at the waterline.
> > Beyond that, we all enter the food chain,
> > and not always right at the top."
> > - Hunter S Thompson
>
> "Do you know, once, off the hump of Brazil, I saw the ocean so darkened with
> blood it was black, and the sun fadin' away over the lip of the sky. We put
> in at Fortaleza. A few of us had lines out for a bit of idle fishin'. It was
> me had the first strike. A shark it was, and then there was another, and
> another shark again, till all about the sea was made of sharks, and more
> sharks still, and no water at all. My shark had torn himself from the hook,
> and the scent, or maybe the stain it was, and him bleedin' his life away,
> drove the rest of 'em mad. Then the beasts took to eatin' each other. In
> their frenzy, they ate at themselves. You could feel the lust of murder like
> a wind stingin' your eyes, and you could smell the death, reekin' up out of
> the sea. I never saw anything worse, until this little picnic tonight. And
> you know, there wasn't one of them sharks in the whole crazy pack that
> survived?" -Orson Welles, Lady From Shanghai
Hey, thanks to these modern times we live in, a clip is available on
YouTube (as is most of the rest of the film as well, which is poetry
of the highest order):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ac1YgegzmE
> http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:IP5ll4th_REJ:newsgroups.derkeiler...
Nicko
> The Law of the Sea
I caught a fish once.
While I was fishing.
I let it go.
And felt guilty for the rest of my life.
I died, though.
And got better.
--
YOP...
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
"Will Dockery" <shado...@knology.net> wrote in message
news:34da$4a9464f0$d8baf760$10...@KNOLOGY.NET...
> The Law of the Sea
>
>> "It was the Law of the Sea, they said.
>> Civilization ends at the waterline.
>> Beyond that, we all enter the food chain,
>> and not always right at the top."
>> - Hunter S Thompson
>
> "Do you know, once, off the hump of Brazil, I saw the ocean so darkened
> with blood it was black, and the sun fadin' away over the lip of the sky.
> We put in at Fortaleza. A few of us had lines out for a bit of idle
> fishin'. It was me had the first strike. A shark it was, and then there
> was another, and another shark again, till all about the sea was made of
> sharks, and more sharks still, and no water at all. My shark had torn
> himself from the hook, and the scent, or maybe the stain it was, and him
> bleedin' his life away, drove the rest of 'em mad. Then the beasts took to
> eatin' each other. In their frenzy, they ate at themselves. You could feel
> the lust of murder like a wind stingin' your eyes, and you could smell the
> death, reekin' up out of the sea. I never saw anything worse, until this
> little picnic tonight. And you know, there wasn't one of them sharks in
> the whole crazy pack that survived?" -Orson Welles, Lady From Shanghai
I would never write anything like that, you twit.
Will Dockery
"matt" <qop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> to be signed and dated by will dockery...
>
> i, will dockery, agree that i don't know one god damn
> thing about poetry.
>
> i fully admit that cythera is the master and i'm the student.
>
> i acknowledge that when cythera enters the room, i'm to
> remove my hat, get down on my knees and beg for the
> opportunity to hear what she has to say.
>
> i fully admit that i've never known what i'm talking about
> when it comes to poetry, or much else and that all i do
> is poison aapc with my lies and slanderous comments
> toward such experts as dale and karla.
>
> i promise to apologize to dale and karla at the next available
> opportunity. (it doesn't matter why...i'm simply to apologize.)
>
> from now on, when dale or karla enter the room, i'm to get
> down on my hands and knees and beg to be allowed to shut
> the fuck up while they talk.
>
> i promise not to post any more useless links to my myspace
> page, twitter page or youtube page from here on out.
>
> i promise to email cythera any poems i would like to post
> on aapc in order to get her approval BEFORE posting.
> (if she declines, i gracefully either submit another or bow
> out of the request.)
>
> i hearby admit that george dance does not know what the fuck
> he's talking about when it comes to poetry.
>
> i promise not to enter into the conflict when either cythera,
> dale or karla start laying in on george.
>
> i promise to praise every little fuckin' thing cythera writes...
> especially any poem she gracefully...out of the kindness of
> her tender little heart...decides to post on aapc.
>
> at last, i swear that if i break any of the above agreements, the
> truce is off.
>
> signed,
> will dockery
Hmmm... maybe after she posts a photograph...
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
=z=
>
> - Show quoted text -
i proposed she do that once and got flamed for being a stalker...tread
lightly...and then---
and we
at that time called december
towards winter rages
to frosts abundant scream
cold we sat to sing and quench
and stole that bit of mockery
watching close the eyes
fleecing a sense of foe
nothing else mattered really
we were about to die for them
a death throne was our perch
our eye to that we no longer lived
and dance and then some more
=z=
so much for a truce...
myshitisfromgary
news:28a4fa96-fd2d-4861...@o9g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
and we
=z=
...the only "truce" you're gonna get out
of her is one she makes with one of the many
personalities roaming around in her dizzy
head. you get to witness the ordeal and
get the receipt...you'll need that when the
time comes to post the time and date of the
"truce." otherwise, she'll deny it up and down.
in other words...don't waste yer time.
piece of advice.
Barbara's Cat
[ a lot of farm critter noise snipped ]
> ...the only "truce" you're gonna get out
> of her is one she makes with one of the many
> personalities roaming around in her dizzy
> head. you get to witness the ordeal and
> get the receipt...you'll need that when the
> time comes to post the time and date of the
> "truce." otherwise, she'll deny it up and down.
>
> in other words...don't waste yer time.
>
> piece of advice.
Seriously, whinebaby, give me your mailing address
and I will send you some lollipops you can suck on
to ease your so-obviously-envious-of-the-sane pain.
=z=
[ a lot of farm critter noise un-snipped ]
oink, oink...
what flavor?....
black use to be mine....
of course now it's blue
that's what love is...so they say...
well, that and a really good egg salad sandwich
if such a thing exists.
-eggs do as eggs do-
Orson Wells as CitizenCain
>
> "matt" <qop...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> to be signed and dated by will dockery...
>>
>> i, will dockery, agree that i don't know one god damn
>> thing about poetry.
Definitely
>>
>> i fully admit that cythera is the master and i'm the student.
Of course
>>
>> i acknowledge that when cythera enters the room, i'm to
>> remove my hat, get down on my knees and beg for the
>> opportunity to hear what she has to say.
He does that already, minus the hat removal, and usually on street sidwalks
>>
>> i fully admit that i've never known what i'm talking about
>> when it comes to poetry, or much else and that all i do
>> is poison aapc with my lies and slanderous comments
>> toward such experts as dale and karla.
Dockery knows poetry like Tiger Woods knows rocket science
>>
>> i promise to apologize to dale and karla at the next available
>> opportunity. (it doesn't matter why...i'm simply to apologize.)
Duckery apology = "QUACK!"
>>
>> from now on, when dale or karla enter the room, i'm to get
>> down on my hands and knees and beg to be allowed to shut
>> the fuck up while they talk.
>>
>> i promise not to post any more useless links to my myspace
>> page, twitter page or youtube page from here on out.
>>
>> i promise to email cythera any poems i would like to post
>> on aapc in order to get her approval BEFORE posting.
>> (if she declines, i gracefully either submit another or bow
>> out of the request.)
>>
>> i hearby admit that george dance does not know what the fuck
>> he's talking about when it comes to poetry.
>>
>> i promise not to enter into the conflict when either cythera,
>> dale or karla start laying in on george.
>>
>> i promise to praise every little fuckin' thing cythera writes...
>> especially any poem she gracefully...out of the kindness of
>> her tender little heart...decides to post on aapc.
>>
>> at last, i swear that if i break any of the above agreements, the
>> truce is off.
>> signed,
>> will dockery
>
> Hmmm... maybe after she posts a photograph...
>
> --
> "I Suck Balls & other stories" by Will Dockery:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
Will Dockery
<snip for focus>
> Will Dockery for posting and
> attributing to me text that he or other people have written.
Since I, Will Dockery, have never "attributed" text I've written to
you, Cythera, or anyone else on Usenet named Cythera, I'd like to see
an example of where you think I've done that, Cythera.
Can you post an example or two to explain what you mean by that, since
every response I've made to you or anyone else on Usenet named Cythera
was already posted on Usenet?
<snip>
> Thanks,
> Cythera
Thanks in advance for clarifying the above statement, Cythera.
Barbara's Cat
> Barbara's Cat wrote:
>
> > Shit.Is.As.Shit.Does squitted:
> >
> > [ a lot of farm critter noise snipped ]
> >
> > > ...the only "truce" you're gonna get out
> > > of her is one she makes with one of the many
> > > personalities roaming around in her dizzy
> > > head. �you get to witness the ordeal and
> > > get the receipt...you'll need that when the
> > > time comes to post the time and date of the
> > > "truce." �otherwise, she'll deny it up and down.
> > >
> > > in other words...don't waste yer time.
> > >
> > > piece of advice.
> >
> >
> > Seriously, whinebaby, give me your mailing address
> > and I will send you some lollipops you can suck on
> > to ease your so-obviously-envious-of-the-sane pain.
>
>
> Oh, is that what it is?
> Cat, I'd like to ask you to please do me a favor. I would like to know
> how to report people to their ISP's, and not just how but what wording
> would be most effective in getting the kibosh put on this guy for
> harassment and sexual harassment, and on Will Dockery for posting and
> attributing to me text that he or other people have written.
> I'm putting this request on both groups so that you'll be sure to see
> it. If you would rather do this by email or not be bothered, that's
> fine; please let me know.
>
> Thanks,
> Cythera
>
> (hi to some of you)
You can find an e-mail address for reporting abusive/harassing
messages in the header section of the messages.
For Matt's messages, the e-mail address is newsm...@cox.net
For messages posted through Google Groups (e.g., Dockery's),
the e-mail address is groups...@google.com
For my messages, send e-mails to ab...@eternal-september.org
When filing a complaint always include copies of the messages,
complete with their header section, along with an explanation
of why you consider the messages abusive and what actions you
want taken against the poster; stern warning, account closure,
notify a law enforcement agency. The ISP, NSP, or Google will
weigh the messages and your explanation against its TOS (which
you should read before sending your complaint) to determine if
they will take the action you requested or they themselves will
take action against the poster.
cox.net's TOS is at http://ww2.cox.com/aboutus/policies.cox
Google's TOS is at http://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html
Be aware that ISPs, NSPs, and Google consider most complaints
against messages like Matt's and Dockery's as frivolous and do
nothing more than ignore the complaints. Anyway, good luck.
--
Cm~
"Learning to ignore things
is one of the great paths
to inner peace."
- Robert J Sawyer,
/Calculating God/
Will Dockery
>
> You can find an e-mail address for reporting abusive/harassing
> messages in the header section of the messages.
>
>
> For messages posted through Google Groups (e.g., Dockery's),
>
> For my messages, send e-mails to ab...@eternal-september.org
>
> When filing a complaint always include copies of the messages,
> complete with their header section, along with an explanation
> of why you consider the messages abusive and what actions you
> want taken against the poster; stern warning, account closure,
> notify a law enforcement agency. The ISP, NSP, or Google will
> weigh the messages and your explanation against its TOS (which
> you should read before sending your complaint) to determine if
> they will take the action you requested or they themselves will
> take action against the poster.
>
>
> Google's TOS is athttp://groups.google.com/intl/en/googlegroups/terms_of_service3.html
>
> Be aware that ISPs, NSPs, and Google consider most complaints
> against messages like Matt's and Dockery's as frivolous and do
> nothing more than ignore the complaints.
Frivolous is a good description of such nonsense, considering the
types of messages that get posted on Usenet on a daily basis. We all
know (or should) that if you post on Usenet, most likely you'll get a
response, and it may not be the one you prefer. Et cetera...
...and thanks for the information, Cat.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Anyway, good luck.
Will Dockery
>
> Dockery knows poetry
I sure do... I've been working with it for over thirty years, after
all.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
myshitisfromgary
news:4c78d9ab-a171-493d...@19g2000vbq.googlegroups.com...
up yours, bitch...and you can send this one
DIRECTLY to the link above.