I am now on all of these groups

[David Dalton]

OK, I now have all of these groups in a Hogwasher
“Subscription” that I have titled “poetry”. That
way I will see a crosspost to more than one of
the groups only once. And I probably won’t
read everything. I hope that my creativity will
return soon and that this time it will include the
ability to finish projects.

Some of my old “poetry fragments” are on

https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html

and some of my old stream of consciousness writing,
best skimmed (about a megabyte of plain text) is on

https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt

--
https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
"This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

[Ash Wurthing]

"and not get too overloaded
by the dance of wordplay"

I'm familiar with that problem, although I personally don't consider it a problem...

[W.Dockery]

David Dalton wrote:
>
> OK, I now have all of these groups in a Hogwasher
> “Subscription” that I have titled “poetry”. That
> way I will see a crosspost to more than one of
> the groups only once. And I probably won’t
> read everything. I hope that my creativity will
> return soon and that this time it will include the
> ability to finish projects.

> Some of my old “poetry fragments” are on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html

> and some of my old stream of consciousness writing,
> best skimmed (about a megabyte of plain text) is on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt

Good morning and welcome to alt.arts.poetry.comnents, David.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

Will attempts to initiate David into the alt.arts.let's-exchange-greetings-24/7 group.

[Will Dockery]

I simply responded to David's opening post, and welcomed him to the newsgroup.

HTH and HAND.

[NancyGene]

Dockery, you are not the host of AAPC. David Dalton is not new to this group.

[Will Dockery]

I didn't say I was.

> David Dalton is not new to this group.

Of course not, but he's officially subscribed to the newsgroup.



HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Your actions speak louder than your words.

[Will Dockery]

Not really.

I simply welcomed David Dalton to the newsgroup.

HTH and HAND.

[NancyGene]

Then don't act like you are.

> > David Dalton is not new to this group.
> Of course not, but he's officially subscribed to the newsgroup.

How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the newsgroup?"

[Will Dockery]

I'm not.

> > > David Dalton is not new to this group.
> > Of course not, but he's officially subscribed to the newsgroup.
> How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the newsgroup?"

Read David's posts.

You seem confused, NancyGene.

🙂

[NancyGene]

We don't care what other groups he is subscribed to. He has been subscribed to AAPC since at least 2003.
>
> You seem confused, NancyGene.
We are not the ones welcoming David Dalton to a newsgroup that he has been subscribed to for 20 years.

[Faraway Star]

Seconded...!

[roach]

How do we get rid of the imposter? He's an unwelcome nuisance.

Maybe he'll finally leave this group alone, and go bug someone somewhere else!!!

[Faraway Star]

> > Your xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

> How do we get rid of the imposter? He's an unwelcome nuisance.
>
> Maybe he'll finally leave this group alone, and go bug someone somewhere else!!!

That would be a good day, indeed...!

[General-Zod]

David Dalton wrote:

> OK, I now have all of these groups in a Hogwasher
> “Subscription” that I have titled “poetry”. That
> way I will see a crosspost to more than one of
> the groups only once. And I probably won’t
> read everything. I hope that my creativity will
> return soon and that this time it will include the
> ability to finish projects.

> Some of my old “poetry fragments” are on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html

> and some of my old stream of consciousness writing,
> best skimmed (about a megabyte of plain text) is on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt

Outstanding, D.D.

good to have a new member on the poetry groups...!

[David Dalton]

On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
(in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):

> How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the

> newsgroup?”
I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.

[W.Dockery]

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> (in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the
> > newsgroup?”
> I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
> it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
> possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
> and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
> google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
> of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
> groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.

Well put, David, and again, welcome to the poetry newsgroups.

🙂

> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

..

[ME]

Welcome back, Dalton.

[Will Dockery]

Dueling Dalton:
https://youtu.be/CQhzrpZztl4?si=f6qPEg2n4UW2ZXuz

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> > (in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> > > How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the
> > > newsgroup?”
> > I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
> > it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
> > possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
> > and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
> > google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
> > of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
> > groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.
> Well put, David, and again, welcome to the poetry newsgroups.

Did you welcome him in Feb too? You spoke to him then.

David Dalton, … W.Dockery4
unread,
Rupi Kaur on Q
Feb 3

[NancyGene]

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:38:52 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> > > (in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):
> > >
> > > > How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the
> > > > newsgroup?”
> > > I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
> > > it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
> > > possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
> > > and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
> > > google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
> > > of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
> > > groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.
> > Well put, David, and again, welcome to the poetry newsgroups.
> Did you welcome him in Feb too? You spoke to him then.
>
> David Dalton, … W.Dockery4
> unread,
> Rupi Kaur on Q
> Feb 3

Dockery doesn't give a rat's patootie about David Dalton being here, other than it's another opportunity to post inane nothings.

BTW, what is the purpose of "posting to the group but wasn't reading it, wasn't checking it for followups?" NancyGene and Jayme would like to know, and also pose this question to Ilya Shambat. That seems like spamming to us.

[Faraway Star]

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:35 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:

> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:38:52 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> > > > (in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > > > > How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the
> > > > > newsgroup?”
> > > > I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
> > > > it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
> > > > possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
> > > > and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
> > > > google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
> > > > of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
> > > > groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.
> > > Well put, David, and again, welcome to the poetry newsgroups.
>

> Dockery doesn't xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Hush, troll... ha ha.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 2:57:35 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:

> On Saturday, August 26, 2023 at 6:38:52 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 7:00:32 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > > On Aug 25, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> > > > (in article<02b1d131-d689-4f3d...@googlegroups.com>):
> > > >
> > > > > How do you think he was posting before if he wasn't "subscribed to the
> > > > > newsgroup?”
> > > > I was posting to the group but wasn’t reading it, wasn’t checking
> > > > it for followups, in my recent posts, until last night. That is
> > > > possible with a newsreader (I use Hogwasher in St. John’s
> > > > and MT-NewsWatcher in Lake View) but less likely with
> > > > google groups (which I rarely use). I was checking some
> > > > of the other groups I crossposted (not possible on google
> > > > groups any more) to, including rec.arts.poems.
> > > Well put, David, and again, welcome to the poetry newsgroups.
> > Did you welcome him in Feb too? You spoke to him then.
> >
> > David Dalton, … W.Dockery4
> > unread,
> > Rupi Kaur on Q
> > Feb 3
> Dockery doesn't give a rat's patootie about David Dalton being here, other than it's another opportunity to post inane nothings.

Just like with his so called "Usenet friend" Ron Roach? Where he and Zod stood by and let Dance make up the worst lies about him-- all so to get at me? The damned fools cannot challenge me so they resort to the lowliest LoseNet troll tricks.

[Faraway Star]

On Friday, August 25, 2023 at 6:32:43 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:

Seems simple enough even for Nancy G. to understand... ha ha.

[General-Zod]

David Dalton wrote:
>
> OK, I now have all of these groups in a Hogwasher
> “Subscription” that I have titled “poetry”. That
> way I will see a crosspost to more than one of
> the groups only once. And I probably won’t
> read everything. I hope that my creativity will
> return soon and that this time it will include the
> ability to finish projects.

> Some of my old “poetry fragments” are on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html

> and some of my old stream of consciousness writing,
> best skimmed (about a megabyte of plain text) is on

> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt

Good afternoon and looking forward to reading your poetry, D.D.

:)

[W.Dockery]

Agreed and seconded.

[W.Dockery]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:34:26 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 9, 2023, NancyGene wrote
> (in article<3dc580fc-5752-4564...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > Be gone, lunatic.
>
> I do state I am bipolar on my web page, and don’t appreciate
> derogatory terms of nutter and lunatic; they are hate speech.
>
> My claim on my web page that I am similar to many past
> major and non-pagan religious figures is based on analysis
> of patterns and individual events in my mystic cycles and
> comparison to those of past figures, including Taliesin.
>
> Then why have I not generated a significant body of
> poetry yet? Taliesin experienced a surge in poetic
> creativity late in life, and I expect the same will be true
> for me; indeed my low/working/ascetic/forsaken/wilderness
> years have lasted 27.6 years so far, so long since I
> have a global region, whereas Taliesin’s lasted the common
> seven years (e.g. Jacob’s and Rama’s lasted 14 years).
>
> But perhaps you are referring to my Sisyphean attempts
> to magickally instigate a new age as I am reporting
> on alt.religion.druid? Since I am similar to some past
> major figures I expect there will be some magick associated
> with me. But I can’t be said to be delusional since I
> won’t believe that my attempts are working without evidence.
> However perhaps I will have to wait until my low years
> reach 29 years (the common 7 plus three 11 year sunspot
> cycles).

>
> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)

> "And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
> And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

Good morning, David, you're seeing NancyGene and her ilk"s true colors now, as malicious trolls with an agenda to drive any newcomers from the poetry newsgroup a.

Some us us argue with the trolls, others choose to skip and ignore (or killfile) them.

HTH and HAND.

(Moved from the troll thread.)

[Michael Pendragon]

LOL! Donkey found another nutter to join his team.

[Will Dockery]

On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 11:51:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> > with an agenda to drive any newcomers from the poetry newsgroup.

> >
> > Some us us argue with the trolls, others choose to skip and ignore (or killfile) them.
>
>

> It's obvious who the "malicious troll" is.


As you, NancyGene and your ilk have proudly shown yourselves to be countless times, Pendragon.

[Michael Pendragon]

Actions speak louder than words:

https://www.amazon.com/Year-Sundays-Michael-M-Pendragon/dp/B0BZFDJBP1

[W.Dockery]

> We post and discuss poetry

As well as post malicious attack threads and other Troll foolishness.

And so it goes.

[Michael Pendragon]

I proposed a peace treaty.

You voiced your demands, and I modified the treaty to include them.

You said that the treaty seemed fair.

NancyGene agreed to the terms of the treaty.

However, you refused to sign it.

You didn't give your reasons, you didn't engage in further negotiations. You simply dropped out of the negotiations.

Why?

So you could continue to troll the group?

Again, actions speak louder than words.
(Moved to a troll thread.)

[Will Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> I proposed a peace treaty

If you had been paying attention, I was actually complying with all your points.

HTH and HAND.

[W.Dockery]

Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:

>> > > > > > with an agenda to drive any newcomers from the poetry newsgroup..

>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Some us us argue with the trolls, others choose to skip and ignore (or killfile) them.
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > It's obvious who the "malicious troll" is.
>> > > > As you, NancyGene and your ilk have proudly shown yourselves to be countless times, Pendragon.
>> > > We post and discuss poetry
>> > As well as post malicious attack threads and other Troll foolishness.
>> >
>> > And so it goes.
>> >
>> > I proposed a peace treaty
>>
>> If you had been paying attention, I was actually complying with all your points.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.

> That's what I said

No you didn't.

[Michael Pendragon]

What part of "You said that the treaty seemed fair" are you failing to understand?

[General-Zod]

Agreed and seconded, and again, welcome to the poetry groups, David Dalton..!

[W.Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:41:18 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<64400e69-a003-4050...@googlegroups.com>):
>
> > IOW: You're unemployed.
>
> My home care contract ended on August 9, and my Research
> Assistant contract ended on August 31, and having saved a
> fair bit in the last two years I am now taking some well-deserved
> time off, and may take a trip to visit friends in Vancouver and
> possibly one to visit my Ph.D. supervisor in Italy.
>
> But really my mystic pursuits have been effectively a
> volunteer night job, which I hope will soon reach fruition.
>
> You should realize that a number of historical poets have
> also been mystics as well; I guess you would call them
> fruitcakes as well?

Well put, David, and I notice that you've only received crickets in response so far.

🙂

> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
> And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:45:14 AM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:41:18 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > On Sep 11, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > (in article<64400e69-a003-4050...@googlegroups.com>):
> >
> > > IOW: You're unemployed.
> >
> > My home care contract ended on August 9, and my Research
> > Assistant contract ended on August 31, and having saved a
> > fair bit in the last two years I am now taking some well-deserved
> > time off, and may take a trip to visit friends in Vancouver and
> > possibly one to visit my Ph.D. supervisor in Italy.
> >
> > But really my mystic pursuits have been effectively a
> > volunteer night job, which I hope will soon reach fruition.
> >
> > You should realize that a number of historical poets have
> > also been mystics as well; I guess you would call them
> > fruitcakes as well?
>
> Well put, David, and I notice that you've only received crickets in response so far.

This is the first I've seen of David Fruitcake's reply.

No, David, I would not call poets who are also mystics fruitcakes.

I happen to be a poet who is also a mystic.

Your friends Will and Zod call me "Voodoo Boy" and accuse me of being "delusional" for believing in, and practicing, Magick.

I didn't call you a fruitcake because of your Druidic religion. I called you a fruitcake because you believe that cross-posting your beliefs to a handful of Usenet groups (Usenet has been on life support for the past 20 years) is somehow going to usher in a new age of Paganism.

Anyone who thinks that posting on Usenet is going to change the world, is totally crackers. It is indicative of a self-absorbed, narcissistic psyche with (obvious) delusions of grandeur. The world doesn't revolve around Usenet, much less David Dalton.

The world barely knows that Usenet exists, and has no idea that David Dalton does.

You're fooling yourself into believing that you are accomplishing anything -- simply because your posts here generate responses. Think about it: you come to a group of approximately 10 to 12 people, buddy up with the trolls, and insist that you're going to make off-topic posts in spite of multiple requests to follow the guidelines, and you're going to generate responses.

But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less than a dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for all the good that it's accomplishing.

[W.Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:59:16 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 8:42:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:41:18 AM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> > > On Sep 11, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> > > (in article<64400e69-a003-4050...@googlegroups.com>):
> > >
> > > > IOW: You're unemployed.
> > >
> > > My home care contract ended on August 9, and my Research
> > > Assistant contract ended on August 31, and having saved a
> > > fair bit in the last two years I am now taking some well-deserved
> > > time off, and may take a trip to visit friends in Vancouver and
> > > possibly one to visit my Ph.D. supervisor in Italy.
> > >
> > > But really my mystic pursuits have been effectively a
> > > volunteer night job, which I hope will soon reach fruition.
> > >
> > > You should realize that a number of historical poets have
> > > also been mystics as well; I guess you would call them
> > > fruitcakes as well?
> > Well put, David, and I notice that you've only received crickets in response so far.

> This is the first I've seen of David Fruitcake's reply. His post was from 12:41am. Those of us who work tend to go to bed before that time.

>
> No, David, I would not call poets who are also mystics fruitcakes.
>
> I happen to be a poet who is also a mystic.
>
> Your friends Will and Zod call me "Voodoo Boy" and accuse me of being "delusional" for believing in, and practicing, Magick.

When you were casting death curse on Zod and others you did look s little bit crazy and delusional, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Ask the late, unlamented Pickles how delusional it looks, Donkey.

A death curse is no more delusional than any other form of magick.

[W.Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:23:54 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> Ask the late Stephan Pickering

Like I said, you're a delusional little fuckwit, Pendragon.

> A death curse is no less real than any other form of magick.

Apparently it was just bogus mumbo jumbo, since years after the bogus curse Zod is still alive and well.

[Michael Pendragon]

If you claim that I'm delusional for practicing Magick, then you must believe that David Dalton is delusional as well.

> > A death curse is no less real than any other form of magick.
>
> Apparently it was just bogus mumbo jumbo, since years after the bogus curse Zod is still alive and well.

That's arguable on both counts. The man lives under a piece of tarp, for cryin' out loud.

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:32:58 PM UTC-4, roach wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:13 AM UTC-7, W.Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > Faraway Star wrote:

> > >> > >
> > >> > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:

> > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:00:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > >> >> General-Zod wrote:
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> >> > Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well...!
> > >> > > >> >
> > >> > > >> >> A couple of points we need to hash out on Pendragon's proposal, such as finding a way that Jordy doesn't have to be shut out, as I won't do that to a friend, but otherwise, the plan Pendragon put out looks very acceptable, basically.
> > >> > > >> >>
> > >> > > >> >> I'm waiting on feedback from the others but it is looking good so far.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > Jordy hasn't been "shut out" -- only his "Hello" posts. Since everyone has 25 posts a day, Jordy could post his links to the Poetry Foundation, youtube, etc., which the majority of us can skip and ignore. If you want to use one of your 25 posts to thank him for posting a link to a poem we're all familiar, you may do so.
> > >> > > >>
> > >> > > >> > Since the Treaty doesn't necessitate that anyone follow the Guidelines, Jordy could even post his rants about President Trump.
> > >> > > >> I've spoken with both George Dance and Zod about this matter, and we've agreed to try to engage Jordy in more discussion of the poetry he finds and posts here.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > Agreed and seconded...
> > >> > > I'll still follow that idea, truce or no truce.
> > >> > can i still call you wilbur ? (it's a term of endearment. :) like wilbur in the animated classic version of charlotte's web...the cute adorable pig.
> > >> I always liked Wilbur, but thought it came from Mister Ed.
> >
> > > Of course you did
> > > Not only would you be naturally attracted to a sitcom about a talking horse
> > I've watched all sorts of television shows over the years, Pendragon.
> >
> > Today, I just watched Gary Coleman in "Different Strokes" and now "Facts of Life" is playing
> >
> > Don't be such a snob, Pendragon.
> I'm not being a snob

You deny being a delusional little fuckwit monkey also, Pendragon.

> I'm merely pointing out that you have read very little (apart from comic books).

Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

You're behaving very childishly, Donkey. 70s sitcoms are just your speed.

> > I'm merely pointing out that you have read very little (apart from comic books).
>
> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

You prove your illiteracy here over and over again ("Dorian Grey"!).

Have you read "The Golden Bough," "The White Goddess," or "The Power of Myth"?

As per usual, you have pretended to be a Shaman, and have subsequently attacked Magick as "delusional" -- yet you have never bother to read any of literature that pertains to it.

[Will Dockery]

David Dalton wrote:
>
> OK, I now have all of these groups in a Hogwasher
> “Subscription” that I have titled “poetry”. That
> way I will see a crosspost to more than one of
> the groups only once. And I probably won’t
> read everything. I hope that my creativity will
> return soon and that this time it will include the
> ability to finish projects.
>
> Some of my old “poetry fragments” are on
>
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html
>
> and some of my old stream of consciousness writing,
> best skimmed (about a megabyte of plain text) is on
>
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/fte.txt
>

> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)

> "This could be the final breath; This is life and death;
> This is hard rock and water; Out here between wind and flame;
> Between tears and elation; Lies a secret nation" (Ron Hynes)

Again, ignore or killfile the trolls, and welcome to the poetry newsgroups, David.

🙂

[Will Dockery]

Michael Pendragon, your biggest delusion is that you believe you're a better poet than T.S. Eliot.

And if your death spell is for real, the fact remains that years later, the target of your bogus curse is alive and well.

And so it goes.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:09:17 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon, your biggest delusion is that you believe you're a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
>
> And if your death spell is for real, the fact remains that years later, the target of your bogus curse is alive and well.

Spells don't always work, Donkey. Magick isn't an exact science.

[W.Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:19:53 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 2:05:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Pendragon, your biggest delusion is that you believe you're a better poet than T.S. Eliot.
> >
> > And if your death spell is for real, the fact remains that years later, the target of your bogus curse is alive and well.
> >

> > And so it goes.
> Spells don't always work

Obviously.

[David Dalton]

On Sep 11, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote

(in article<ff800f4a-fad9-496c...@googlegroups.com>):

> I didn't call you a fruitcake because of your Druidic religion. I called you
> a fruitcake because you believe that cross-posting your beliefs to a handful
> of Usenet groups (Usenet has been on life support for the past 20 years) is
> somehow going to usher in a new age of Paganism.
>
> Anyone who thinks that posting on Usenet is going to change the world, is
> totally crackers. It is indicative of a self-absorbed, narcissistic psyche
> with (obvious) delusions of grandeur. The world doesn't revolve around
> Usenet, much less David Dalton.

Obviously I am not doing my magick through Usenet, I am
reporting on it on Usenet, where I had far more readers
twenty years ago than I do now. And I don’t have
delusions of grandeur, I underwent an anointing by
the divine that effectively augmented my higher
dimensional body, and I am attempting to instigate
change by “flapping my higher dimensional butterfly
wings” (as I put it to atheists) or you can look at it
as a complicated prayer in which I have done much
of the groundwork over decades.

> But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less than a
> dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for all
> the good that it's accomplishing.

With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
and learn the ropes of the group.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:04:21 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:
> On Sep 11, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
> (in article<ff800f4a-fad9-496c...@googlegroups.com>):
> > I didn't call you a fruitcake because of your Druidic religion. I called you
> > a fruitcake because you believe that cross-posting your beliefs to a handful
> > of Usenet groups (Usenet has been on life support for the past 20 years) is
> > somehow going to usher in a new age of Paganism.
> >
> > Anyone who thinks that posting on Usenet is going to change the world, is
> > totally crackers. It is indicative of a self-absorbed, narcissistic psyche
> > with (obvious) delusions of grandeur. The world doesn't revolve around
> > Usenet, much less David Dalton.
> Obviously I am not doing my magick through Usenet, I am
> reporting on it on Usenet, where I had far more readers
> twenty years ago than I do now. And I don’t have
> delusions of grandeur, I underwent an anointing by
> the divine that effectively augmented my higher
> dimensional body, and I am attempting to instigate
> change by “flapping my higher dimensional butterfly
> wings” (as I put it to atheists) or you can look at it
> as a complicated prayer in which I have done much
> of the groundwork over decades.

And how is that working out for you?

Your Usenet readership had dropped considerably (according to you), and the world doesn't seem to be any more Pagan than it did 20 years ago.

> > But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less than a
> > dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for all
> > the good that it's accomplishing.
> With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
> I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
> and learn the ropes of the group.

You'd lose.

Most prospective readers get sick to death of wading through 40 "Hello Jordy" posts a day (and other off-topic bullshit).

Here's the straight dope:

AAPC is in a state of war between the poets (who want to use it as a poetry discussion group) and Will Dockery who wants to use it as his personal webpage.

Over the course of the past 25 year, Will has managed to drive all of the poets away at least twice. He does this by spamming AAPC with b.s. posts, burying everyone else's poetry and conversations, picking fights, and bringing non-poet friends into the group to help him.

Will has recently driven Jim Senetto out of the group with his b.s. There are very few of us left, and we're all getting fed up with him, so when someone buddies up with Will and contributes to his OT content, we're not going to welcome them with open arms.

But if you're hinting that you're willing to learn the ropes, then I welcome a fellow mystic and poet to our group.

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 9:04:21 PM UTC-4, David Dalton wrote:

The agenda of Pendragon, Nancy Gene and their followers is to try to drive away any newcomers who don't conform to their bogus guidelines.

As Zod described Pendragon:

"He's a delusional control freak on an ego trip."

And so it goes.

> --
> https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)
> "And the cart is on a wheel; And the wheel is on a hill;
> And the hill is shifting sand; And inside these laws we stand” (Ferron)

...

[David Dalton]

On Sep 12, 2023, Michael Pendragon wrote
(in article<e72c9859-86f2-48a2...@googlegroups.com>):

I am not trying to make the world more Pagan, as I
indicated in Nancy’s Nutter thread in a slightly different
followup in which I expanded on the above. I
would have preferred that Will hadn’t duplicated the thread;
perhaps he thought I had killfiled Nancy and followups
to her posts.

> > > But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less
> > > than a
> > > dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for
> > > all
> > > the good that it's accomplishing.
> > With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
> > I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
> > and learn the ropes of the group.
>
> You'd lose.
>
> Most prospective readers get sick to death of wading through 40 "Hello Jordy"
> posts a day (and other off-topic bullshit).
>
> Here's the straight dope:
>
> AAPC is in a state of war between the poets (who want to use it as a poetry
> discussion group) and Will Dockery who wants to use it as his personal
> webpage.

Why can’t you just skip the posts of those you don’t want
to read? That is one advantage of Usenet, you
have a list of subject lines with names of posters,
and you can skip over them even in google groups and
killfile them if you have a good newsreader. I
read less than 5% of posts on alt.atheism.

>
>
> Over the course of the past 25 year, Will has managed to drive all of the
> poets away at least twice. He does this by spamming AAPC with b.s. posts,
> burying everyone else's poetry and conversations, picking fights, and
> bringing non-poet friends into the group to help him.
>
> Will has recently driven Jim Senetto out of the group with his b.s. There are
> very few of us left, and we're all getting fed up with him, so when someone
> buddies up with Will and contributes to his OT content, we're not going to
> welcome them with open arms.
>
> But if you're hinting that you're willing to learn the ropes, then I welcome
> a fellow mystic and poet to our group.

I’l try to be on-topic when posting to this newsgroup but I
will continue to occasionally crosspost to other poetry
groups, less likely to non-poetry groups (though I could
to mental health groups to get a discussion going on
the mental health of historical poets, for example).
But this is not one of my main groups, so I think I
will rarely post here, unless my poetic creativity returns.

Some of my “poem fragments”, some done when I was
hypomanic, are on

https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html .

But though I had good wordplay ability then, I often
didn’t really finish projects, and I hope my creativity
will return soon and that it will include the ability
to stick to and finish projects.

[Will Dockery]

Exactly, if you're not interested in the thread, simply "skip and ignore."

...

[Faraway Star]

We look forward to your future poetic efforts, Dr. Dalton..!

[Michael Pendragon]

No, he didn't. Will claims that NancyGene and I are "malicious trolls" and refuses to respond to posts in any of our threads.

This created a problem for Will because he also feels compelled to "set the record straight" by responding to our "lies."

Will solved the problem by 1) responding to the posts in our threads, and then, 2) copy/pasting them to a new thread.

It doesn't actually resolve anything -- and it makes twice as many threads for everyone to repeat the same posts in... but that's Donkey logic for you.

> > > > But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less
> > > > than a
> > > > dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for
> > > > all
> > > > the good that it's accomplishing.
> > > With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
> > > I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
> > > and learn the ropes of the group.
> >
> > You'd lose.
> >
> > Most prospective readers get sick to death of wading through 40 "Hello Jordy"
> > posts a day (and other off-topic bullshit).
> >
> > Here's the straight dope:
> >
> > AAPC is in a state of war between the poets (who want to use it as a poetry
> > discussion group) and Will Dockery who wants to use it as his personal
> > webpage.
> Why can’t you just skip the posts of those you don’t want
> to read? That is one advantage of Usenet, you
> have a list of subject lines with names of posters,
> and you can skip over them even in google groups and
> killfile them if you have a good newsreader. I
> read less than 5% of posts on alt.atheism.

We do.

I use Google Groups (I find it much more user friendly than newsreaders), but I block/report all of Will's/Jordy's/Stinky George's threads -- and any of our threads that they've usurped with their "hello" posts.

The problem is that some of us want to attract new members to the group.

Several years ago (seven?) Jim Senetto got the idea to start a thread where everyone could stop their fighting and post a poem each week. He called this thread "The Sunday Sampler."

I thought it was a stupid idea, since AAPC was supposed to be a forum for posting poetry, and the "Sampler" thread seemed like a mini-AAPC stuck in the middle of AAPC.

But it turned out that Jim's idea was brilliant, and "The Sampler" was a rousing success. It attracted several new/former members to the group, and became the most popular thread.

Jim's poetry was universally liked (as was Jim himself), and he quickly became the most popular member of AAPC, and also (to some extent) its leader.

Will couldn't stand for this, and started picking fights with Jim, and flooding the group with his b.s. posts (slurps, thank yous, hellos, etc.). And, guess what? He drove Jim, and most of the other members, away (including me); and shut down "The Sunday Sampler." Eventually Jim and I came back.

Jim restarted "The Sampler," and Will got back to his old tricks: picking fights with Jim over he content until he got banned from participating in it. Stinky George got himself banned as well. In the ensuing flame wars more members left -- including Jim.

I took over "The Sampler," but Jim thought his idea should rest in peace, so it was revamped as "A Year of Sundays." "AYoS" publishes the poetry from each month's AAPC thread in an ezine format, and has a "Best of" year end issue that is published in print.

My goal is to attract new poets to AAPC with "AYoS" bringing in new voices as "The Sampler" once did. But I can't do it when Will and his cronies drive potential members away.

You have to bear in mind that potential members coming to AAPC are not going to have Will/Stink/Jordy on killfile. They're going to visit the group, see that 98% are posts where Will says "Hello" to Jordy and thanks Zod "for the nod" to Will's poem. And nobody is going to want to join a group with nothing more to offer than a couple of retards greeting each other 12 times a day.

And don't think that Will and his stooges aren't doing this to *intentionally* drive new members away -- and to troll the members that are here. They are. Whenever one of us complains about the "Hello" posts, Will doubles them. Whenever someone complains about having their conversations buried, Will and his crew will bump over 100 of their old threads to bury us even further. He's not the poor little innocent that he pretends to be.

> >
> > Over the course of the past 25 year, Will has managed to drive all of the
> > poets away at least twice. He does this by spamming AAPC with b.s. posts,
> > burying everyone else's poetry and conversations, picking fights, and
> > bringing non-poet friends into the group to help him.
> >
> > Will has recently driven Jim Senetto out of the group with his b.s. There are
> > very few of us left, and we're all getting fed up with him, so when someone
> > buddies up with Will and contributes to his OT content, we're not going to
> > welcome them with open arms.
> >
> > But if you're hinting that you're willing to learn the ropes, then I welcome
> > a fellow mystic and poet to our group.
> I’l try to be on-topic when posting to this newsgroup but I
> will continue to occasionally crosspost to other poetry
> groups, less likely to non-poetry groups (though I could
> to mental health groups to get a discussion going on
> the mental health of historical poets, for example).
> But this is not one of my main groups, so I think I
> will rarely post here, unless my poetic creativity returns.

Thanks, David. On-topic posts are much appreciated.

> Some of my “poem fragments”, some done when I was
> hypomanic, are on
>
> https://www.nfld.com//~dalton/poemfrag.html .
>
> But though I had good wordplay ability then, I often
> didn’t really finish projects, and I hope my creativity
> will return soon and that it will include the ability
> to stick to and finish projects.

I've found that writing poetry for "The Sunday Sampler"/"A Year of Sundays" has increased my poetic output 100-fold. Since March of 2020 I've written 250 poems for "A Year of Sundays." That's more than a third of the poems that I've written over the course of my life. The idea that I've got a publication to contribute a new poem to not only inspires, but *forces* me to write.

You should give it a try. Write a poem for the September issue of "AYoS" (you have to post it to the Submissions thread before the month is over). Set yourself a time each day when you work on the poem -- even if you only add a couple of words. Just remember that you've got a deadline and keep at it. The first few poems might not be up to your standard... but the more you do it, the easier it gets -- and the poems improve as a result.

[W.Dockery]

> Will claims that NancyGene and I are "malicious trolls"

Anyone reading here for any amount of time will see that's true.

> refuses to respond to posts in any of our threads.

I don't read or respond to most of the troll threads, true.

> This created a problem for Will because he also feels compelled to "set the record straight" by responding to our "lies."

Since you lie and misrepresent so much there's no way I could ever correct all of your smearing and attack posts, your lies and misrepresentations.

> Will solved the problem by 1) responding to the posts in our threads, and then, 2) copy/pasting them to a new thread.

> It doesn't actually resolve anything

Yes it does, I don't have to post on a troll thread.

>> > > > But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less
>> > > > than a
>> > > > dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for
>> > > > all
>> > > > the good that it's accomplishing.
>> > > With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
>> > > I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
>> > > and learn the ropes of the group.
>> >
>> > You'd lose.
>> >
>> > Most prospective readers get sick to death of wading through 40 "Hello Jordy"
>> > posts a day (and other off-topic bullshit).
>> >
>> > Here's the straight dope:
>> >
>> > AAPC is in a state of war between the poets (who want to use it as a poetry
>> > discussion group) and Will Dockery who wants to use it as his personal
>> > webpage.
>> Why can’t you just skip the posts of those you don’t want
>> to read? That is one advantage of Usenet, you
>> have a list of subject lines with names of posters,
>> and you can skip over them even in google groups and
>> killfile them if you have a good newsreader. I
>> read less than 5% of posts on alt.atheism.

> We do.

Same here.

> I use Google Groups (I find it much more user friendly than newsreaders), but I block/report

The "skip and ignore" policy, except that while you skip, you also need to learn how to ignore.

> The problem is that some of us want to attract new members to the group.

Except that Nancy Gene obviously immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away from the poetry group.

Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

> Several years ago (seven?) Jim Senetto got the idea to start a thread where everyone could stop their fighting and post a poem each week

Which was a good idea, basically.

> Will couldn't stand for this, and started picking fights with Jim

A lie, as it was Senetto who picked any fights we had here, obsessed nutjob that he is.

> Will got back to his old tricks: picking fights with Jim

Another lie, Pendragon, but that's what you do, after all.

The archives will show that Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob who always instigated the flames, attacks, and when he'd finally melt down, his violent fantasies and threats.

> In the ensuing flame wars more members left -- including Jim

Along with the many poets you and your malicious troll friends drove away, see below for a partial list of poets Michael Pendragon and his gang drove away, just as they intended to drive David Dalton away.

You forgot to mention that the last thing Jim Senetto did before he left was suggest that poet George Dance be"shot in the head."

As I said, Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob with violent fantasies.

> My goal is to attract new poets

Yet your friend Nancy Gene immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away as soon as he arrived.

In other words, another one of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon. You and your fellow trolls are the ones driving new members away, to name a few your gang has driven away: Vinyl Cat, Antti, Karen, Mack, Philo... the list goes on.

When David Dalton arrived, he and everyone else could see that the malicious stalker troll Nancy Gene immediately went on the attack, to begin to try and drive Dalton away.

Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

..

[Will Dockery]

Agreed and seconded.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

David should give it a try, AYoS is a perfect project to coax people to write-- it spurred me and my crew (which I have a new member of) to get serious about my work and tailor to general audiences.
I usually leave AYoS people alone unless they tangle with me.

[Will Dockery]

Absolutely.

[Michael Pendragon]

Just as anyone reading this can see that you and your friends are just as "malicious."

(And just as you'll amply demonstrate a little farther down when you start attacking Jim.)

> > refuses to respond to posts in any of our threads.
> I don't read or respond to most of the troll threads, true.

That's not what I said, Donkey.

You do read and respond to what you label "troll threads"... you just start a new thread (note that the conversation was "moved from a troll thread") and respond to it a second time.

> > This created a problem for Will because he also feels compelled to "set the record straight" by responding to our "lies."
> Since you lie and misrepresent so much there's no way I could ever correct all of your smearing and attack posts, your lies and misrepresentations.

I tell it like it is, Donk. You just don't want to recognize, or admit to, the truth.

> > Will solved the problem by 1) responding to the posts in our threads, and then, 2) copy/pasting them to a new thread.
>
> > It doesn't actually resolve anything
> Yes it does, I don't have to post on a troll thread.

Except that you do post on it.

No one can ignore that you're burying all of the group conversations under a 100 posts a day.

> > The problem is that some of us want to attract new members to the group.
> Except that Nancy Gene obviously immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away from the poetry group.

She requested that he not cross-post off-topic threads here.

And, like I said, we've all come to look with suspicion on those with whom you seem to be on friendly terms.

> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
> > Several years ago (seven?) Jim Senetto got the idea to start a thread where everyone could stop their fighting and post a poem each week
> Which was a good idea, basically.

Which was why you shut "The Sampler" down and drove Jim out of the group.

> > Will couldn't stand for this, and started picking fights with Jim
> A lie, as it was Senetto who picked any fights we had here, obsessed nutjob that he is.

Jim asked you not to post the poems you submitted to "The Sampler" in other threads until after the issue containing them had closed. You refused.

Had you ever had any poetry accepted by a real magazine, you would know that such is the standard procedure for both large and small press journals.

> > Will got back to his old tricks: picking fights with Jim
> Another lie, Pendragon, but that's what you do, after all.
>
> The archives will show that Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob who always instigated the flames, attacks, and when he'd finally melt down, his violent fantasies and threats.
>

The archives will show that everyone was supposed to submit a new poem to "The Sampler" on a topic chosen by one of the contributors. You began dusting off your "poems" from the 1970s and 80s, changed a word or two in them so that they would mention the topic of the week and submit them.

When Jim insisted that you submit a new poem, you threw a hissyfit and got yourself banned.

> > In the ensuing flame wars more members left -- including Jim
> Along with the many poets you and your malicious troll friends drove away, see below for a partial list of poets Michael Pendragon and his gang drove away, just as they intended to drive David Dalton away.
>

Your list is a joke and will be discussed below.

> You forgot to mention that the last thing Jim Senetto did before he left was suggest that poet George Dance be"shot in the head."

As well he should -- although that would be too good for him. He really deserves to have a slow, painfully lingering death that all of us can savor.

> As I said, Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob with violent fantasies.

Jim isn't here, Donkey. Why are you still trolling him?

> > My goal is to attract new poets
> Yet your friend Nancy Gene immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away as soon as he arrived.

He appeared to be yet another one of your recruits.

> In other words, another one of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon. You and your fellow trolls are the ones driving new members away, to name a few your gang has driven away: Vinyl Cat, Antti, Karen, Mack, Philo... the list goes on.
>

Vinyl Cat was not a poet. She was one of the semi-derelict drunkards you and Stinky George booze with in Columbus. In one of her first (if not her very first) post, she (apparently having been coached by you) challenged the rest of us to "bring it on!" She attempted to write a poem (which she admitted was the first she'd ever tried to write) and failed at it miserably.

Antti was a terrible poet. He identified with Stinky George, because if his government hadn't provided him with free housing, he'd have been living under a piece of blue tarp as well; and got upset when I made fun of George. He also attempted to "stalk" me (searching the internet for personal information) which makes him a "malicious troll" in your book.

Karen got along with pretty much everyone. She certainly got along with NancyGene and me. Karen didn't give her reasons for leaving the group, but I believe that she didn't like being in the middle of a flame war. I also believe that she got tired of sticking up for you and Stinky when you both ignored her repeated attempts to get you to stop overposting, bumping, and flaming others. Karen is an extremely talented poet, and I think we all miss her participation here.

Mack was not a poet. Mack was a contentious whack job who boasted about his wealth and launched personal attacks on anyone who dared to question any of his posts.

Philo... was a friend of the Dunce. He barely interacted with anyone, and only posted one or two poems before leaving.

Except for Karen, we're better off without any of the above.

> When David Dalton arrived, he and everyone else could see that the malicious stalker troll Nancy Gene immediately went on the attack, to begin to try and drive Dalton away.
>

You keep saying that, Donkey.

> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

You keep saying this, as well.

What's that quote for Goebbels that Dunce is fond of repeating? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it."

The truth, Donkey, is that you bring all of this on yourself. You accuse NancyGene and me of being "malicious trolls," yet you attack Jim Senetto who has left AAPC. You refuse to see that it takes two sides to have a war -- and that your side is hardly turning the proverbial cheek.

You claim that you're following Dunce's "ethical system" of Tit for Tat, yet refuse to see that each of your "Tits" is going to be met with a retaliatory "Tit" from those you've leveled it at. Tit for Tat is a self-perpetuating system that requires both sides to respond to the other in kind.

It's too bad that you're unable to see past your own Tits.

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> > refuses to respond

>
>> I don't read or respond to most of the troll threads, true.

>

>> > This created a problem for Will because he also feels compelled to "set the record straight" by responding to our "lies."
>
>> Since you lie and misrepresent so much there's no way I could ever correct all of your smearing and attack posts, your lies and misrepresentations.

>

>> > Will solved the problem by 1) responding to the posts in our threads, and then, 2) copy/pasting them to a new thread.
>>
>> > It doesn't actually resolve anything
>
>> Yes it does, I don't have to post on a troll thread.
>

>> >> > > > But all you're doing is pissing off 5 or 6 people in a group with less
>> >> > > > than a
>> >> > > > dozen members. You might as well sound off in your local supermarket for
>> >> > > > all
>> >> > > > the good that it's accomplishing.
>> >> > > With you who are easily pissed off as a welcoming committee,
>> >> > > I bet that many prospective regulars don’t stick around
>> >> > > and learn the ropes of the group.
>> >> >

>> >> > AAPC is in a state of war between the poets (who want to use it as a poetry
>> >> > discussion group) and Will Dockery who wants to use it as his personal
>> >> > webpage.

Again, that's a lie and a misrepresentation.

>> >> Why can’t you just skip the posts of those you don’t want
>> >> to read? That is one advantage of Usenet, you
>> >> have a list of subject lines with names of posters,
>> >> and you can skip over them even in google groups and
>> >> killfile them if you have a good newsreader. I
>> >> read less than 5% of posts on alt.atheism.
>>
>>

>> > I block/report
>
>> The "skip and ignore" policy, except that while you skip, you also need to learn how to ignore.

> No one can ignore

Sure, you could, but you'd rather whine and flame and troll about it.

>> Except that Nancy Gene obviously immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away from the poetry group.

>

> come to look with suspicion on those with whom you seem to be on friendly terms

Your paranoia is noted, again.

>> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
>

>> > started picking fights with Jim
>
>> A lie, as it was Senetto who picked any fights we had here, obsessed nutjob that he is.

> Jim asked you not to post the poems you submitted

And I didn't, again, why do you lie so much, Pendragon?

> Had you ever had any poetry accepted by a real magazine

I've been published dozens of times over the years, stop lying, Pendragon.

>> > Will got back to his old tricks: picking fights with Jim
>> Another lie, Pendragon, but that's what you do, after all.
>>
>> The archives will show that Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob who always instigated the flames, attacks, and when he'd finally melt down, his violent fantasies and threats.
>>

> The archives will show that everyone was supposed to submit a new poem

Which I did. As the archives will actually show, rather than your lies about what happened, Pendragon.

> When Jim insisted that you submit a new poem

No, I wrote new poetry when Senetto changed the rules, stop lying, Pendragon.

>> > In the ensuing flame wars more members left
>

>> Along with the many poets you and your malicious troll friends drove away, see below for a partial list of poets Michael Pendragon and his gang drove away, just as they intended to drive David Dalton away.
>>

>

>> You forgot to mention that the last thing Jim Senetto did before he left was suggest that poet George Dance be"shot in the head."

> As well he should -- although that would be too good for him. He really deserves to have a slow, painfully lingering death that all of us can savor.

Spoken like a true malicious troll ^^^^^^

>> As I said, Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob with violent fantasies.

> Jim isn't here

You brought Senetto up in your lies.

I corrected your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight here.

>> Yet your friend Nancy Gene immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away as soon as he arrived.

> He appeared to be yet another one of your recruits

You sound paranoid, and Nancy Gene sounds like a malicious troll trying to drive David Dalton away from the poetry newsgroups.

>> In other words, another one of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon. You and your fellow trolls are the ones driving new members away, to name a few your gang has driven away: Vinyl Cat, Antti, Karen, Mack, Philo... the list goes on.
>>

> Vinyl Cat was not a poet

Again, a lie.

> Antti was a terrible poet

In your opinion only, not mine or several others here.

> Karen got along with pretty much everyone. She certainly got along with NancyGene and me

Karen gave the poster known as "ME" as the reason she was leaving, and mentioned that fsct a couple of times.

> Mack was not a poet

Mack, like Jordy, was a poetry reader who posted poems he'd chosen, and participated in discussions.

> Philo... was a friend of the Dunce. He barely interacted with anyone, and only posted one or two poems before leaving.

Wrong, Philo appeared here on and off for years, and posted many poems and discussion posts.

You revealed why you wanted Philo gone, though, he's a friend of George Dance, your enemy.

> Except for Karen, we're better off

In your opinion only, not mine or several others here.

>> When David Dalton arrived, he and everyone else could see that the malicious stalker troll Nancy Gene immediately went on the attack, to begin to try and drive Dalton away.
>>

> You keep saying that

Of course, since it's the obvious truth, look at the threads Nancy Gene has started to attack David Dalton in already.

Of course you're expected to defend your fellow trolls, Pendragon.

>> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

> You keep saying this

And you keep right on lying and misrepresenting.

No surprise there.

> What's that quote for Goebbels that Dunce is fond of repeating? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it."

Which is exactly what you're trying to do here, Pendragon.

> you bring all of this on yourself.

No, liar, you bring it on whether I want it or not.

As always, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

> You accuse NancyGene and me of being "malicious trolls," yet you attack Jim Senetto

Wrong, liar..

I'm only correcting your lies and misrepresentations about what happened between me and Jim Senetto.


At all times Senetto was the aggressor, he made the personal attacks and violent fantasy threats, which is why George Dance named him Jim Obsesso.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

You've used AAPC to greet Jordy literally 1,000s of times.

You've used it to discuss changes/correction to be made in your chapbook with the editor who was publishing it.

You've used it to make plans to meet Stinky George at the local bar, or the fountain, or your shed.

You've used it to discuss how late the local Waffle House was open.

You've used it to reminisce with Stinky about various old friends you both had.

You've used it to discuss Stinky's trips to Florida.

You've used it to discuss Barfly's coming to Columbus.

In short, you've used it to discuss pretty much everything *except* poetry.

> >> >> Why can’t you just skip the posts of those you don’t want
> >> >> to read? That is one advantage of Usenet, you
> >> >> have a list of subject lines with names of posters,
> >> >> and you can skip over them even in google groups and
> >> >> killfile them if you have a good newsreader. I
> >> >> read less than 5% of posts on alt.atheism.
> >>
> >>
> >> > I block/report
> >
> >> The "skip and ignore" policy, except that while you skip, you also need to learn how to ignore.
>
> > No one can ignore
> Sure, you could, but you'd rather whine and flame and troll about it.

No, dumbass. One cannot ignore a daily barrage of spam-posts that effectively push all of the actual poetry-related discussions back to the third page of the newsfeed.

> >> Except that Nancy Gene obviously immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away from the poetry group.
>
> >
> > come to look with suspicion on those with whom you seem to be on friendly terms
> Your paranoia is noted, again.

It's a matter of experience, Donkey.

You've brought the Late, Unlamented Pickles, Mack A. Damia, Stinky George, Jordy's pervy uncle, Vinyl Cunt, and a dozen other imbecilic, illiterate trolls to AAPC over the years.

> >> Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
> >
> >> > started picking fights with Jim
> >
> >> A lie, as it was Senetto who picked any fights we had here, obsessed nutjob that he is.
>
> > Jim asked you not to post the poems you submitted
> And I didn't, again, why do you lie so much, Pendragon?

The archives show that you did, Donkey.

> > Had you ever had any poetry accepted by a real magazine
> I've been published dozens of times over the years, stop lying, Pendragon.

No, Donkey, you haven't.

You published your own poetry in photocopied "small press" format.

You published your own poetry in a free, events listings paper in which you had an unpaid column.

Your friend published your poetry in a chapbook.

No poetry magazine (large or small) has ever published any of your work.

> >> > Will got back to his old tricks: picking fights with Jim
> >> Another lie, Pendragon, but that's what you do, after all.
> >>
> >> The archives will show that Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob who always instigated the flames, attacks, and when he'd finally melt down, his violent fantasies and threats.
> >>
>
> > The archives will show that everyone was supposed to submit a new poem
> Which I did. As the archives will actually show, rather than your lies about what happened, Pendragon.

You were submitting "poetry" you'd written over 40 years ago (with a word or two changed to include the topic of the week).

> > When Jim insisted that you submit a new poem
> No, I wrote new poetry when Senetto changed the rules, stop lying, Pendragon.

You did not, Donkey. That's why you were banned.

> >> > In the ensuing flame wars more members left
> >
> >> Along with the many poets you and your malicious troll friends drove away, see below for a partial list of poets Michael Pendragon and his gang drove away, just as they intended to drive David Dalton away.
> >>
>
> >
> >> You forgot to mention that the last thing Jim Senetto did before he left was suggest that poet George Dance be"shot in the head."
>
> > As well he should -- although that would be too good for him. He really deserves to have a slow, painfully lingering death that all of us can savor.
> Spoken like a true malicious troll ^^^^^^

You've no idea what a "troll" is, have you?

> >> As I said, Jim Senetto is an obsessive nutjob with violent fantasies.
>
> > Jim isn't here
> You brought Senetto up in your lies.

It is possible for us to discuss Jim without you launching into an attack on him.

Jim is to you and President Trump is to Jordy.

>
> I corrected your lies and misrepresentations and set the record straight here.

All you do is whine and deny, Donkey. You don't correct or set anything straight.

> >> Yet your friend Nancy Gene immediately attempted to drive David Dalton away as soon as he arrived.
>
> > He appeared to be yet another one of your recruits
> You sound paranoid, and Nancy Gene sounds like a malicious troll trying to drive David Dalton away from the poetry newsgroups.
>

See above.

> >> In other words, another one of your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon. You and your fellow trolls are the ones driving new members away, to name a few your gang has driven away: Vinyl Cat, Antti, Karen, Mack, Philo... the list goes on.
> >>
>
> > Vinyl Cat was not a poet
> Again, a lie.

She wrote one "poem" which she claimed was her first attempt to write a poem. Judging by her skills, it was probably her first attempt to write anything.

> > Antti was a terrible poet
>
> In your opinion only, not mine or several others here.

Only you and your stooges -- and it's a well known fact that none of you actually read the poems you slurp.

> > Karen got along with pretty much everyone. She certainly got along with NancyGene and me
> Karen gave the poster known as "ME" as the reason she was leaving, and mentioned that fsct a couple of times.

ME provided her with a convenient (and diplomatic) excuse.

> > Mack was not a poet
>
> Mack, like Jordy, was a poetry reader who posted poems he'd chosen, and participated in discussions.

Mack was a belligerent wannabe scholar and Pickles redux. The only things Jordy has ever "discussed" are President Trump and his beloved Communist Party.

> > Philo... was a friend of the Dunce. He barely interacted with anyone, and only posted one or two poems before leaving.
> Wrong, Philo appeared here on and off for years, and posted many poems and discussion posts.
>
> You revealed why you wanted Philo gone, though, he's a friend of George Dance, your enemy.

I didn't want Philo gone, Donkey. I barely took note of him. I only remember him at all because I looked him up after either you or Dunce had claimed I'd driven him away.

> > Except for Karen, we're better off
> In your opinion only, not mine or several others here.

In everyone's opinion, Donkey.

Karen is an excellent writer. The others were...

> >> When David Dalton arrived, he and everyone else could see that the malicious stalker troll Nancy Gene immediately went on the attack, to begin to try and drive Dalton away.
> >>
>
> > You keep saying that
> Of course, since it's the obvious truth, look at the threads Nancy Gene has started to attack David Dalton in already.

Truth or not, there is no reason to keep repeating the same things over and over again.

> Of course you're expected to defend your fellow trolls, Pendragon.

I'm just setting the record straight, Donkey.

> >> Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
>
> > You keep saying this
> And you keep right on lying and misrepresenting.
>
> No surprise there.

Again, there is no need for you to keep repeating yourself.

> > What's that quote for Goebbels that Dunce is fond of repeating? "If you repeat a lie often enough, people will start to believe it."
> Which is exactly what you're trying to do here, Pendragon.

You're the one who keeps repeating himself, Donkey.

> > you bring all of this on yourself.
> No, liar, you bring it on whether I want it or not.

I offered you a treaty, accepted your demands, gave you every opportunity to negotiate further, and received your tentative approval... yet you bowed out at the last minute without so much as an explanation.

Actions speak louder than words, Donkey. Your actions show that you *want* to keep AAPC a battleground.

> As always, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?

You're repeating yourself again, Herr Goebbels.

> > You accuse NancyGene and me of being "malicious trolls," yet you attack Jim Senetto
> Wrong, liar..
>
> I'm only correcting your lies and misrepresentations about what happened between me and Jim Senetto.

You called him "an obsessive nutjob with violent fantasies" (scroll up a little and see for yourself).

>
> At all times Senetto was the aggressor, he made the personal attacks and violent fantasy threats, which is why George Dance named him Jim Obsesso.
>

Dunce called him "Obsesso" for the same reason that you've accused everyone and their brother of being obsessed with you -- it's a buzzword that gets you a response.

[W.Dockery]

Snipped for focus:

Yes, for nearly two decades my poetry and columns were published every month in Playgrounds Magazine.

You continue to deny this truth, and I'll continue to correct your lies and misrepresentations, Pendragon.

> Playgrounds Magazine / October 2014 issue
>
> http://spotidoc.com/doc/354845/playgrounds-free-m-a-g-a-z-i-n-e-oct-2014
>
> Page 24: To The Magic Store column by Will Dockery
>
> Page 24: "Tea Olive Ilk" poem by Will Dockery
^^^^^^^^^^. ^^^^^^^^^^^°. ^^^^^^^^. ^^^^^^^^

For one example of hundreds of poetry publication. ^^^^^^

And so it goes.

[Will Dockery]

Snipped for focus and to correct some of the lies and misrepresentations Pendragon is trying to slip in :

Vinyl Cat has written poetry for years, as well as creating art. The reception here was so harsh, with the agenda to drive newcomers away in place, she only posted a couple of poems here.

Antti is another (in my opinion, a good one) poet, a long time Usenet regular, who you and your troll friends drove away with their malicious attacks.

Just two of many your gang of thugs have driven away, Pendragon.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Vinyl Cat presented herself as being antagonistic to the group in her first post. She basically said something to the effect of "Hi, I'm Vinyl Cat. I'm the toughest, baddest, badass bitch in the bunch and can go toe-to-toe with anyone here so bring it on!"

Naturally, several of us accepted the challenge.

[Will Dockery]

Which included real life stalking and harassment of Vinyl Cat at her job.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

That is against AAPC Guidelines, and I highly doubt that any of the regulars were responsible.

And since you have never shown so much as one shred of evidence to support your claim, you should keep you opinions to yourself.

[Will Dockery]

A link was posted, it happened.

[Michael Pendragon]

Posting information readily available on the internet is not "stalking," Donkey.

[Will Dockery]

Information readily available via stalking, you mean.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Oxymoron.

[Will Dockery]

It doesn't surprise me that you support and applaud Internet stalking, Pendragon.

After all, you're a troll, and that's what trolls do.

[General-Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

> Snipped for focus and to correct some of the lies and misrepresentations Pendragon is trying to slip in :

> Vinyl Cat has written poetry for years, as well as creating art. The reception here was so harsh, with the agenda to drive newcomers away in place, she only posted a couple of poems here.

> Antti is another (in my opinion, a good one) poet, a long time Usenet regular, who you and your troll friends drove away with their malicious attacks.

> Just two of many your gang of thugs have driven away, Pendragon.

> HTH and HAND.

V.C. has written a great many poems, most of which I have read privately, in her company...

Quite an excellent poet and artist..!

[Michael Pendragon]

Readily available information posted on the internet is not "stalking," Donkey.

If Vinyl Cat created a webpage for her store, one can conclude that her webpage was intended to be visited by as many people as possible.

[Michael Pendragon]

Please note that the above evaluation was made by a (for want of a better word) "man," who claims to read each of Will Donkey's unintelligible gibberish "poems" dozens of times.

[Will Dockery]

Malicious troll posts and forgeries giving fake information about V.C. and her shop are not welcomed, of course.

HTH and HAND.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:

If I changed to your side and went after your foes for you, you would be saying the same things about me.
You said similar things about me before you jumped into Will's fight with me, in the Who's Who thread.

[General-Zod]

On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > Snipped for focus and to correct some of the lies and misrepresentations Pendragon is trying to slip in :
> >
> > > Vinyl Cat has written poetry for years, as well as creating art. The reception here was so harsh, with the agenda to drive newcomers away in place, she only posted a couple of poems here.
> >
> > > Antti is another (in my opinion, a good one) poet, a long time Usenet regular, who you and your troll friends drove away with their malicious attacks.
> >
> > > Just two of many your gang of thugs have driven away, Pendragon.
> > > HTH and HAND.
> >
> > V.C. has written a great many poems, most of which I have read privately, in her company...
> >
> > Quite an excellent poet and artist..!

> Please note that the above evaluation

Please note that Michael Pendragon is a delusional little fuckhead... a control freak on an ego trip, also... ha ha.

[Ash Wurthing]

Like General Zod Google stalking and posting here, things he found of mine on the Internet without my permission?

[Will Dockery]

Of course Pendragon seems proud of those facts.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

Does that mean, by Will's sloppy definition, that they, General Zod and Will Dockery, are stalking people like that Barfly? fella and others whose work they post here?

[Ash Wurthing]

We cannot help but note that Will Dockery and General Zod cannot substantiate their ASSertions with resorting to merely empty and accusations and juvenile foul mouthed name calling. Like Jordy, I am so grateful for the interactions they offer me here!

[W.Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:30:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 7:08:14 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> > > Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Snipped for focus and to correct some of the lies and misrepresentations Pendragon is trying to slip in :
>> > >
>> > > > Vinyl Cat has written poetry for years, as well as creating art. The reception here was so harsh, with the agenda to drive newcomers away in place, she only posted a couple of poems here.
>> > >
>> > > > Antti is another (in my opinion, a good one) poet, a long time Usenet regular, who you and your troll friends drove away with their malicious attacks.
>> > >
>> > > > Just two of many your gang of thugs have driven away, Pendragon.
>> > > > HTH and HAND.
>> > >
>> > > V.C. has written a great many poems, most of which I have read privately, in her company...
>> > >
>> > > Quite an excellent poet and artist..!
>> > Please note that the above evaluation
>> Please note that Michael Pendragon is a delusional little fuckhead... a control freak on an ego trip, also... ha ha.

> We cannot help but note that Will Dockery and General Zod cannot substantiate

Sure, I can, Ash.

You're just making shit up as you go along, as usual.

HTH and HAND.

[ME]

Damn will, don’t you just hate it when you get called out for doing the same thing you’re accusing others of doing?
Life’s a real bitch some days, isn’t it?

[W.Dockery]

Not even it isn't true.

🙂

[General-Zod]

Bravo... I says...

[General-Zod]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 6:20:13 PM UTC-4, General-Zod wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > Snipped for focus and to correct some of the lies and misrepresentations Pendragon is trying to slip in :
>>
>> > Vinyl Cat has written poetry for years, as well as creating art. The reception here was so harsh, with the agenda to drive newcomers away in place, she only posted a couple of poems here.
>>
>> > Antti is another (in my opinion, a good one) poet, a long time Usenet regular, who you and your troll friends drove away with their malicious attacks.
>>
>> > Just two of many your gang of thugs have driven away, Pendragon.
>> > HTH and HAND.
>>
>> V.C. has written a great many poems, most of which I have read privately, in her company...
>>
>> Quite an excellent poet and artist..!

> Please note that the above evaluation was made

My observation of poetry and art is much more inclusive than yours, I see both poetry and art as the creative expression of the creator of the poem, each poem and work of art gives us another view, from a new perspective...

That is all.

[Michael Pendragon]

IOW: A poem needn't be well written, or even intelligible -- it need only reflect its creator's unique perspective.

I've really got to track down my "Spotted Lady with a Spotted Baby" drawing, and post it for your comments.

[Will Dockery]

Looking forward to seeing it.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 1:38:58 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 12:07:40 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:53:39 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> > > On Monday, September 11, 2023 at 11:30:53 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >

> > > > > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:19:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:32:58 PM UTC-4, roach wrote:
> > > > >> > On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 2:10:13 AM UTC-7, W.Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > Faraway Star wrote:

> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > On Thursday, September 7, 2023 at 2:35:18 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:

> > > > >> > > >> > On Wednesday, September 6, 2023 at 4:00:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > >> > > >> >> General-Zod wrote:
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> > Doc, count me in as a supporter of a valid plan for peace here as well...!
> > > > >> > > >> >
> > > > >> > > >> >> A couple of points we need to hash out on Pendragon's proposal, such as finding a way that Jordy doesn't have to be shut out, as I won't do that to a friend, but otherwise, the plan Pendragon put out looks very acceptable, basically.
> > > > >> > > >> >>
> > > > >> > > >> >> I'm waiting on feedback from the others but it is looking good so far.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> > Jordy hasn't been "shut out" -- only his "Hello" posts. Since everyone has 25 posts a day, Jordy could post his links to the Poetry Foundation, youtube, etc., which the majority of us can skip and ignore. If you want to use one of your 25 posts to thank him for posting a link to a poem we're all familiar, you may do so.
> > > > >> > > >>
> > > > >> > > >> > Since the Treaty doesn't necessitate that anyone follow the Guidelines, Jordy could even post his rants about President Trump.
> > > > >> > > >> I've spoken with both George Dance and Zod about this matter, and we've agreed to try to engage Jordy in more discussion of the poetry he finds and posts here.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > > Agreed and seconded...
> > > > >> > > I'll still follow that idea, truce or no truce.
> > > > >> > can i still call you wilbur ? (it's a term of endearment. :) like wilbur in the animated classic version of charlotte's web...the cute adorable pig.
> > > > >> I always liked Wilbur, but thought it came from Mister Ed.
> > > >
> > > > > Of course you did
> > > > > Not only would you be naturally attracted to a sitcom about a talking horse
> > > > I've watched all sorts of television shows over the years, Pendragon.
> > > >
> > > > Today, I just watched Gary Coleman in "Different Strokes" and now "Facts of Life" is playing
> > > >
> > > > Don't be such a snob, Pendragon.
> > > I'm not being a snob
> >
> > You deny being a delusional little fuckwit monkey also, Pendragon.
> You're behaving very childishly, Donkey. 70s sitcoms are just your speed.
> > > I'm merely pointing out that you have read very little (apart from comic books).
> >
> > Why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon?
> You prove your illiteracy here over and over again ("Dorian Grey"!).
>
> Have you read "The Golden Bough," "The White Goddess," or "The Power of Myth"?
>
> As per usual, you have pretended to be a Shaman, and have subsequently attacked Magick as "delusional" -- yet you have never bother to read any of literature that pertains to it.

He pretended to be a shaman? I hope not. I know someone who's a descendant of actual shamans, aka medicine or wise men, and Dockery ain't no shaman. But it is funny to see a New Ager, who cliams to have a spirit guide, diss on Magick and the Unseen (Fae).

[Michael Pendragon]

He co-published a "poetry journal" (although he was the only contributor) called "Shaman" in the 1990s; and purported to be a shaman or warlock or something when posting under his "Ironywaves" persona (early 2000s).

He actually seemed more intelligent back in his Ironywaves period. I suspect that he suffered some drug-related brain damage back around 2005 or so -- most likely due to having been temporarily brain dead from a drug overdose.

[Will Dockery]

Not true, there were many other contributors to the Shaman zine.

[Michael Pendragon]

Non-denial noted.

[Will Dockery]

Okay, how about another why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey?

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

It's an observation, Donkey.

"Ironywaves" had his grammatical faults, but he still seemed much more intelligent than the Donkey I've known for the past 10 years. What happened?

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 8:24:35 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, September 23, 2023 at 1:19:35 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 8:44:17 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >> Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >> Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> > > >> Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> > >> roach wrote:

<Snip>

>> Okay, how about another why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon, you shit slinging little monkey?

> It's an observation,

No, it's an attempted smear, a lie and a misrepresentation, Pendragon.

Nothing new for you, just your typical shit slinging.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

"Ironywaves" had much better, and more original, comebacks, Donkey.

[Will Dockery]

In your delusional opinion, you mean.

[Michael Pendragon]

"Ironywaves" made more-or-less original statements, appeared to have some familiarity with the topics being discussed, and didn't rely on the same, tired, second-handed catch-phrases as you do.