Such *intereresting* logic from Jim

[Jordy C]

how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...

Good evening, my friend, well put.

[ME]

On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...

That’s exactly what will and dance does.

[Will Dockery]

What your thug friend Jim Senetto does, yes.

🙂

[Edward Rochester Esq.]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:

> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...

I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot. Dockery likes being abused.

And I will abuse him. Accepting responsibility.

The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.

My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top. You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.

Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.

So be it.

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>

> > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
>
> I find Dockery

Senetto, your obsession is obvious, old fart.

> Dockery likes being abused

That's just your feeble minded bullshit, Senetto.

🙂

[George Dance]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:

> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibility...

You're right, Jordy. Thank you for speaking up.

[George Dance]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:

> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot.

So you whine 24/7. Basically, you've done nothing with your life, and you're trying to feel better about yourself by telling yourself that at least you're better than someone else; because that's all you have.

> Dockery likes being abused.

That's what wannabe abusers always tell themselves.

> And I will abuse him.

No you don't. You whine and cry and waste his time; but you don't manage to actually hurt anyone.

> Accepting responsibility.
>
> The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.

You're full of shit, as usual, Chimp. If Will wasn't here, you'd be trying to abuse someone else, because without that you'd have no sense of self-worth.

> My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top.

I doubt he even thinks about you that much; but, if he did, who'd blame him? Since virtually all you have to say is bullshit about Will, and virtually all your poetry is also bullshit about Will, why the hell wouldn't he want to bury it? Who do you think wants to read any of your crap here? Your monkey and your buffoon, of course; but AFAIC, he and Jordy are doing the group a public service.

> You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...

Since virtually all your "poetry" is bullshit about Will, as well, the same comment applies.

> You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.

Unlike you, Jordy posts poems and links that are often worth reading.

>
> Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
>

I suspect that poor Jordy will just keep trying to appeal to your better nature, clinging to the belief that you still have one.

> So be it.

Amen, brother.

[Family Guy]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:

> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...

Does this mean you are going to post another two dozen "Hello" postings that do absolutely nothing to the newsgroup but spam it and bump up nonsense postings?

[George Dance]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:18:25 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:

IKYABWAW.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:

> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
>

Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?

You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.

Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?

Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?

Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?

How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?

How many times have we asked you to stop?

If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.

No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.

If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts. This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.

If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us. This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.

But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.

Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.

Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?

Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.

You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.

Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:42:48 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot.
> So you whine 24/7. Basically, you've done nothing with your life, and you're trying to feel better about yourself by telling yourself that at least you're better than someone else; because that's all you have.
>

None of us have become rich and famous, George. But most of us have raised families and been gainfully employed for most of our adult lives.

Will's "biographical" posts show that he constantly passed his children (and wife) off on his in-laws, and spent the time he should have been caring for his family out boozing, drugging, sleeping around with the local skanks; squatting in boarded up houses with no electricity or running water; and spending what little money he earned (20+ years ago when he was actually working) on drugs, leaving his wife to support their children.

He now lives in a shed that he inherited from his mother -- after having lived off of her and his mentally disabled brother's disability check for 2+ decades; and has a son in prison for having sexually exploited minors.

So, yeah... we can all point to Will Donkey and say "Hey, at least I'm doing better than him" (George "Stink" Sulzbach excepted).

But so what?

Most of us would naturally take pity on the Donkey and treat him with kindness (suffer the little children and the childlike in mind), if he weren't flooding the group with nonsense 24/7 ("Hello" posts, multiple threads for each of his poems, blog links, necroposts and necrobumps, constantly repeated one-liners that he's second-handed from everyone else, etc.

It's easy for you to tolerate Will because you use AAPC primarily as a place to advertise your blog.

The rest of us, who want to post *and discuss* poetry, do not appreciate having to sift through dozens of "hello" posts to find our conversations.

Teach your Donkey to be considerate of others, and others will be considerate of him in return. That's the non-petty, non-combative version of Tit for Tat that most people naturally ascribe to.

> > Dockery likes being abused.
>
> That's what wannabe abusers always tell themselves.

Jim has a point there.

When the Donkey is ignored, he'll often start new attack threads to get our attention.

> > And I will abuse him.
> No you don't. You whine and cry and waste his time; but you don't manage to actually hurt anyone.

Stop it, George. No one whines and cries here (except for you). And since the Donkey has no job or immediate family living with him, he has all the time in the world.

Does anyone hurt the Donkey? No.

Does anyone want to hurt the Donkey? No.

No one wants to kick a man who's down.

I think that we would all be happy to get along with Will (or, at least, to ignore him), if he weren't constantly spamming our group, burying our conversations, etc.

> > Accepting responsibility.
> >
> > The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.
> You're full of shit, as usual, Chimp. If Will wasn't here, you'd be trying to abuse someone else, because without that you'd have no sense of self-worth.
>

You're projecting again, George. Jim has never given any indication that he suffers from low self-esteem. That's your thing ("boys can be such filthy things," etc.).

> > My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top.
> I doubt he even thinks about you that much; but, if he did, who'd blame him? Since virtually all you have to say is bullshit about Will, and virtually all your poetry is also bullshit about Will, why the hell wouldn't he want to bury it? Who do you think wants to read any of your crap here? Your monkey and your buffoon, of course; but AFAIC, he and Jordy are doing the group a public service.
>

No, George, Jordy isn't doing anyone a service (apart from servicing the Donkey). And your supporting him does a disservice to the group as well.

You're really the worst of the lot as, unlike Will and Jordy, you claim to be intelligent enough to know better.

> > You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...
> Since virtually all your "poetry" is bullshit about Will, as well, the same comment applies.

That isn't true, George. Jim posts a great deal of non-Donkey-related poetry in AYoS. As Jim has pointed out in the past, AYoS has become the last bastion for poetry here. AAPC has become a spam-dump and battlefield -- thanks to the antics of your Donkey and his socks.

> > You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.
> Unlike you, Jordy posts poems and links that are often worth reading.
> >
> > Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
> >
> I suspect that poor Jordy will just keep trying to appeal to your better nature, clinging to the belief that you still have one.

Jordy isn't appealing -- he accusing. Accusations don't accomplish anything -- other than fanning the pre-existing flames.

> > So be it.
>
> Amen, brother.

WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?

[George Dance]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> >
> Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?

And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.

> You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.

I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.

> Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
>

It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.

> Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?

Why do you expect anyone to care? If that's a problem for you, I'm sure you can figure out how to change your settings, or get someone to explain it for you. Why should everyone else change their posting habits to accommodate you?

> Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?

No one is "forcing" you either you or the Chimp to click on anyone else's posts. If you don't like clicking on posts, then don't. I skip tons of your bullshit each day.

> How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?

Let's see: there's the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon: Team Monkey. The same three who like to repeatedly post that Jordy (being gay and Jewish) is a child molester -- without a thought for whether that's "considerate or not.

> How many times have we asked you to stop?

You piss and moan about Jordy's posts almost as many times as you've called him a child molester. That's a lot of times.

> If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.

That's all it takes to get along with Michael Monkey -- respect his wishes and be considerate of him. Of course, he'll still call you a child molester, but he'll be happier.

The questions is: why the fuck does Michael Monkey think anyone would want to "get along" with a bedbug like him?

> No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.

What a great deal for Jordy: Stop posting so much, so the Monkey and his flunkies are freed up to bother other people more. How could he refuse?

> If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts.

That isn't going to help.

> This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.

So go post some poetry; stop whining and crying about what everyone else posts.

> If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us.

Of course you three aren't 're not interested in any but your own "poetry." That's no reason for everyone else to stop posting or reading them.

> This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.

What makes you think Jordy, or anyone else, would want to "discuss" poetry with you three trolls?

>
> But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.

"Wasted" is an adjective, Monkey; you're using it as a noun. Maybe Jordy can find some links to grammar pages for you; but, since you wouldn't read them either, that would be a "wasted" too.

> Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.

As someone who's tried that with the Monkey and the Chimp, I can assure Jordy that is not gonna happen. Notice that the Monkey's appealing to the same ethical rule (reciprocity) that he insists he doesn't have to follow.

> Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?

So, you call him a "troll". Why should he care?

> Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.

The Chimp was trolling him, just like you're trolling him.

> You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.

You're trying the same victim-blaming as your Chimp.

> Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.

If it's anything like that happened to me when I tried it, the results will be: Jordy will post less, while the Monkey and the Chimp will keep trolling (or, as the Monkey calls it, "reasoning") as usual.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > >
> > Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?
> And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.

Behave yourself, George.

The fact that you refer to Jim and I as a "chimp" and a "monkey" reveal your desire to keep AAPC a breeding ground for trolls and flamewars.

> > You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.
> I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.
>

AAPC is our group, George. It's your group, too -- even though you do your best to help the Donkey run it into the ground.

And, yes, I can safely say that most of us are familiar with the poetry "Jordy" posts links to. Most of these are well known poems that we read in our high school English classes.

> > Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
> >
> It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.
>

It's extremely rude to post 15 "Hellos" a day, George.

It's an attempt to 1) flood the group with garbage so that most of us will get tired of sifting through it and leave, and 2) an attempt to bury all of our conversations for the same reason.

> > Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?
> Why do you expect anyone to care? If that's a problem for you, I'm sure you can figure out how to change your settings, or get someone to explain it for you. Why should everyone else change their posting habits to accommodate you?
>

I don't link AAPC to my email, but others may do so.

Again, it's inconsiderate to anyone who might be doing it.

> > Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?
> No one is "forcing" you either you or the Chimp to click on anyone else's posts. If you don't like clicking on posts, then don't. I skip tons of your bullshit each day.
>

No one clicks on threads Jordy starts (except to report them as spam and have them blocked).

However, Will and Jordy start their "Hello" routine in the middle of ongoing conversations, and these are much more difficult to filter out..

Nor should anyone have to filter out dozens of mindless "Hello" posts a day in a Usenet group that they've joined to discuss poetry with others.

It is rude to the point of being passively obnoxious (passive-obnoxious is a new psychological term I've just coined specifically for Jordy).

> > How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?
> Let's see: there's the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon: Team Monkey. The same three who like to repeatedly post that Jordy (being gay and Jewish) is a child molester -- without a thought for whether that's "considerate or not.
>

We've stopped the child molester posts several months ago, George. It hasn't caused "Jordy" to cut back on his obnoxious "Hello" posts in return.

As for you accusatory implications: I'm Jewish, and I sincerely believe that "Jordy's" relationship with his nephew is... disturbing.

> > How many times have we asked you to stop?
> You piss and moan about Jordy's posts almost as many times as you've called him a child molester. That's a lot of times.

As I've said, Jordy is worst troll here -- that is to say he's the most annoying.

And yes, I've asked him to stop many times over the course of the past few years.

> > If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.
> That's all it takes to get along with Michael Monkey -- respect his wishes and be considerate of him. Of course, he'll still call you a child molester, but he'll be happier.
>

Again, we have stopped posting the "Jordy" poems several months ago. No one has been calling Jordy a "child molester" for some time now.

I realize that you only come to AAPC when you're looking for a fight, but you really need to familiarize yourself with the current state of affairs before you go shooting your mouth off.

> The questions is: why the fuck does Michael Monkey think anyone would want to "get along" with a bedbug like him?

Oh, look! Jim just called Jordy a "begbug," so now George the second-hander is going to call everyone else one.

> > No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.
> What a great deal for Jordy: Stop posting so much, so the Monkey and his flunkies are freed up to bother other people more. How could he refuse?
>

WTF is wrong with you, George Dance? No one would bother with *anyone* on your "team" if they weren't constantly trying to bury everyone else's conversations and poetry under a daily deluge of spam and nonsense.

> > If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts.
> That isn't going to help.

How would you know?

> > This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.
> So go post some poetry; stop whining and crying about what everyone else posts.

I've written and posted *five* new poems here this month.

How many have you posted?

> > If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us.
> Of course you three aren't 're not interested in any but your own "poetry." That's no reason for everyone else to stop posting or reading them.
>

I'm interested in *discussing* poetry, George. I've discussed many of the poems that you post on your blog with you.

I'm not interested in reading famous poems of someone else's choice. If Jordy has something to say about those poems, I'd be delighted to discuss it with him. But posting links without comments is just annoying.

You'd get more discussions about the poetry on your blog if you posted comments regarding it as well.

> > This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.
> What makes you think Jordy, or anyone else, would want to "discuss" poetry with you three trolls?

Anyone who doesn't want to discuss poetry should not come to a poetry discussion group. Go to RAP. RAP is the perfect place for Jordy to post his uncommented on youtube links.

> > But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.
> "Wasted" is an adjective, Monkey; you're using it as a noun. Maybe Jordy can find some links to grammar pages for you; but, since you wouldn't read them either, that would be a "wasted" too.
>

It's just a typo, George.

> > Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.
> As someone who's tried that with the Monkey and the Chimp, I can assure Jordy that is not gonna happen. Notice that the Monkey's appealing to the same ethical rule (reciprocity) that he insists he doesn't have to follow.
>

That's a bald-faced lie, George. I've been behaving civilly to you for years. Note that I'm still addressing, and referring to, you as "George" -- in spite of your calling me a monkey.

> > Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?
> So, you call him a "troll". Why should he care?

I doubt he will. But he constantly pretends that he's a nice guy who just wants peace.

Let's see if he really does.

> > Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.
> The Chimp was trolling him, just like you're trolling him.

Asking for peace is trolling?

WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?

> > You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.
> You're trying the same victim-blaming as your Chimp.

Jordy is hardly a victim.

Most of us find his "Hello" posts and blind links to be inconsiderate -- even rude -- behavior.

> > Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.
> If it's anything like that happened to me when I tried it, the results will be: Jordy will post less, while the Monkey and the Chimp will keep trolling (or, as the Monkey calls it, "reasoning") as usual.
>

What do you think I've done to you, George?

I treat you civilly even when you call me childish names.

When you're behaving like a p.o.s., I'll tell you so. But the remedy for that is simply for you to not behave like a p.o.s.

Like I said, you're supposedly intelligent enough to know better.

[George Dance]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:42:48 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot.
> > So you whine 24/7. Basically, you've done nothing with your life, and you're trying to feel better about yourself by telling yourself that at least you're better than someone else; because that's all you have.
> >
> None of us have become rich and famous, George. But most of us have raised families and been gainfully employed for most of our adult lives.

Since the three of you are anonymous trolls, Michael, you can pretend to be anything you like. There is no reason for anyone to believe any of your stories about yourself, any more than there is to believe your stories about everyone else here.

> Will's "biographical" posts show that he constantly passed his children (and wife) off on his in-laws, and spent the time he should have been caring for his family out boozing, drugging, sleeping around with the local skanks; squatting in boarded up houses with no electricity or running water; and spending what little money he earned (20+ years ago when he was actually working) on drugs, leaving his wife to support their children.
>
> He now lives in a shed that he inherited from his mother -- after having lived off of her and his mentally disabled brother's disability check for 2+ decades; and has a son in prison for having sexually exploited minors.

See above.

> So, yeah... we can all point to Will Donkey and say "Hey, at least I'm doing better than him" (George "Stink" Sulzbach excepted).

That's the option you've chosen. Alternately, you could look at your own accomplishments and derive your self-worth from them. But, of course, you can't do that (which is why you post anonymously); so inventing stories about Will is all you can do.

> But so what?

You tell me. You and your Chimp are the ones whining about it.

> Most of us would naturally take pity on the Donkey and treat him with kindness (suffer the little children and the childlike in mind), if he weren't flooding the group with nonsense 24/7 ("Hello" posts, multiple threads for each of his poems, blog links, necroposts and necrobumps, constantly repeated one-liners that he's second-handed from everyone else, etc.

Michael: the only people you "tolerate" on this group are those who cybersuck you; if you want a group composed only of those, then go find one. Ask your new friend "Piggy John-John" to set up an "alt.arts.suck-the monkey" group for you and them. Perfect solution.

>
> It's easy for you to tolerate Will because you use AAPC primarily as a place to advertise your blog.

Now, Michael, that's not true. Since you sniff behind me on every thread, you know that's not true. So, one has to ask again:

Why do you lie so much, Michael Monkey?

> The rest of us, who want to post *and discuss* poetry, do not appreciate having to sift through dozens of "hello" posts to find our conversations.

Corey Conman explained what to do about that. The only reason you didn't pay attention is that you prefer to bitch and moan about everyone who's not on Team Monkey.

> Teach your Donkey to be considerate of others, and others will be considerate of him in return. That's the non-petty, non-combative version of Tit for Tat that most people naturally ascribe to.

Yes, Michael; but that won't work for people like you who don't follow that or any ethics. I'm sure Will's aware of that as well as I am.

> > > Dockery likes being abused.
> >
> > That's what wannabe abusers always tell themselves.
> Jim has a point there.
>

I explained his point. He's trying to justify acting like his Monkey King by victim-blaming.

> When the Donkey is ignored, he'll often start new attack threads to get our attention.

IOW - he'll post "Hello" or something, and you'll whine that it's an "attack thread" so that you can start attacking him again.

> > > And I will abuse him.
> > No you don't. You whine and cry and waste his time; but you don't manage to actually hurt anyone.
> Stop it, George. No one whines and cries here (except for you).

"Waaah! We're *not* whining. You're just being mean to us!" What a silly little Monkey you sound like.

And since the Donkey has no job or immediate family living with him, he has all the time in the world.

You and the Chimp seem to have plenty of free time. (But of course you say you have "families" and "jobs".)

> Does anyone hurt the Donkey? No.

Of course not. Chimp tries, and Monkey tries, but all you do is make yourself look like fools.

> Does anyone want to hurt the Donkey? No.

Actually, that seems to be most of what the Monkey and Chimp want. Too bad all you can do is whine and cry about it.

> No one wants to kick a man who's down.

No, Michael; as we've seen, you love to try to "kick" anyone who won't cybersuck you; whether they're "down" or not isn't a consideration.

> I think that we would all be happy to get along with Will (or, at least, to ignore him), if he weren't constantly spamming our group, burying our conversations, etc.

Well, isn't that nice? You and your flunkies would be "happy" to ignore Will if he only stopped posting here. Just the way you three have been ignoring Zod since he stopped, right? Stop trying to bullshit the group.

> > >
> > > The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.
> > You're full of shit, as usual, Chimp. If Will wasn't here, you'd be trying to abuse someone else, because without that you'd have no sense of self-worth.
> >
> You're projecting again, George. Jim has never given any indication that he suffers from low self-esteem. That's your thing ("boys can be such filthy things," etc.).

Nonsense. The Chimp's problem, in a nutshell, is that he's getting old, looking back on his life, and realizing that he's failed, as a man and as a poet -- so he needs someone he can pretend to look down on. If it weren't Will, it would be someone else.

> > > My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top.
> > I doubt he even thinks about you that much; but, if he did, who'd blame him? Since virtually all you have to say is bullshit about Will, and virtually all your poetry is also bullshit about Will, why the hell wouldn't he want to bury it? Who do you think wants to read any of your crap here? Your monkey and your buffoon, of course; but AFAIC, he and Jordy are doing the group a public service.
> >
> No, George, Jordy isn't doing anyone a service (apart from servicing the Donkey). And your supporting him does a disservice to the group as well.

Well, boo-hoo! He's not serving your Team. That's what you have the Chimp, the MEatpuppet, and the Ashtroll for.

> You're really the worst of the lot as, unlike Will and Jordy, you claim to be intelligent enough to know better.

Yet it's only borderline retards like the Chimp and the MEatpuppet who are "intelligent" enough to buy your bullshit. That should tell you something.

> > > You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...
> > Since virtually all your "poetry" is bullshit about Will, as well, the same comment applies.
> That isn't true, George. Jim posts a great deal of non-Donkey-related poetry in AYoS.

And here you go advertising your "ezine" again. Did you forget your earlier whine about my "advertising" my blog?

> As Jim has pointed out in the past, AYoS has become the last bastion for poetry here.

Well, duh! You set up your vanity project for so the Chimp would get "published" -- no wonder he shills for it.

> AAPC has become a spam-dump and battlefield -- thanks to the antics of your Donkey and his socks.

Michael; aapc has been a battlefield for years, as you know; Team Monkey isn't the first gang of trolls to try to take it over (remember "The Song of the Smug Academic"), and you won't be the last. Trying to blame it all on your victim and his imaginary "socks" may work for a newbie, but don't try that bullshit on someone who's read the group and (unlike your Chimp) doesn't need you to "explain" what's happening.

> > > You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.
> > Unlike you, Jordy posts poems and links that are often worth reading.

"And there's no reply at all." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > > Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
> > >
> > I suspect that poor Jordy will just keep trying to appeal to your better nature, clinging to the belief that you still have one.
> Jordy isn't appealing -- he accusing. Accusations don't accomplish anything -- other than fanning the pre-existing flames.

All he's "accusing" the Chimp of is what everyone can see the Chimp doing here on a daily basis.

> > > So be it.
> >
> > Amen, brother.
> WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?

"Amen" means "so be it," Michael. I'd have thought that even a fake Jew like you would know that.

[Will Dockery]

Exactly, well put.

[George Dance]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:51:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:

> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > >
> > > Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?
> > And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.
> Behave yourself, George.
>
> The fact that you refer to Jim and I as a "chimp" and a "monkey" reveal your desire to keep AAPC a breeding ground for trolls and flamewars.
> > > You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.
> > I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.
> >
> AAPC is our group, George. It's your group, too -- even though you do your best to help the Donkey run it into the ground.
>
> And, yes, I can safely say that most of us are familiar with the poetry "Jordy" posts links to. Most of these are well known poems that we read in our high school English classes.
> > > Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
> > >
> > It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.
> >
> It's extremely rude to post 15 "Hellos" a day, George.
>
> It's an attempt to 1) flood the group with garbage so that most of us will get tired of sifting through it and leave, and 2) an attempt to bury all of our conversations for the same reason.

No, Michael, it really isn't. Just because you and the Chimp constantly think about Will and Jordy, does not mean that they think that much about you at all. I think you know that they don't, which is why you're constantly trying to get in their face (like here).

> > > Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?
> > Why do you expect anyone to care? If that's a problem for you, I'm sure you can figure out how to change your settings, or get someone to explain it for you. Why should everyone else change their posting habits to accommodate you?
> I don't link AAPC to my email, but others may do so.

IOW, you're now whining about Jordy not "realizing" something you just made up.

> Again, it's inconsiderate to anyone who might be doing it.

If anyone feels abused by it, they can read the advice I just gave them. It's not that hard to change one's group settings.

> > > Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?
> > No one is "forcing" you either you or the Chimp to click on anyone else's posts. If you don't like clicking on posts, then don't. I skip tons of your bullshit each day.
> >
> No one clicks on threads Jordy starts (except to report them as spam and have them blocked).

If that's what you're doing, then you're only clicking on his posts 15 times a day because you want to. Stop your paranoia about others "forcing" you to do that.

> However, Will and Jordy start their "Hello" routine in the middle of ongoing conversations, and these are much more difficult to filter out..

I have the same problem finding and reporting your Chimp's (and your other flunkies') troll posts. But unlike you I can take responsibility for my choices, rather than jabber that they're "forcing" me to report them.

> Nor should anyone have to filter out dozens of mindless "Hello" posts a day in a Usenet group that they've joined to discuss poetry with others.

If anyone ever comes here again to discuss poetry, that may be an issue. I'm content to leave it for if or when it comes up.

> It is rude to the point of being passively obnoxious (passive-obnoxious is a new psychological term I've just coined specifically for Jordy).

Not the first time you've tried to pass of your insults as "psychology". I think this is the perfect time for the perennial question:
What the fuck is wrong with you, Michael Monkey?

> > > How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?
> > Let's see: there's the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon: Team Monkey. The same three who like to repeatedly post that Jordy (being gay and Jewish) is a child molester -- without a thought for whether that's "considerate or not.
> >
> We've stopped the child molester posts several months ago, George. It hasn't caused "Jordy" to cut back on his obnoxious "Hello" posts in return.

Yes, Michael, I know that -- remember, I spend most of my time hear looking for and reporting Team Monkey trolls. I also know why you stopped; it wasn't to be nice to Jordy, and it wasn't because you worked out an accommodation with him. Nor does it make you a "nice" person who deserves "consideration" -- you three are still throwing your monkey poo at him, this thread being a good example.

> As for you accusatory implications: I'm Jewish, and I sincerely believe that "Jordy's" relationship with his nephew is... disturbing.

Just as you believe all your real and imagined enemies, including not just me but my father, are child molesters. But, please: tell me that you've stopped calling my father that, so you're really a nice person after all.

> > > How many times have we asked you to stop?
> > You piss and moan about Jordy's posts almost as many times as you've called him a child molester. That's a lot of times.
> As I've said, Jordy is worst troll here -- that is to say he's the most annoying.

And as I've said, you're *the* worst troll here. Are you pretending to be Russian today?

> And yes, I've asked him to stop many times over the course of the past few years.
> > > If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.
> > That's all it takes to get along with Michael Monkey -- respect his wishes and be considerate of him. Of course, he'll still call you a child molester, but he'll be happier.
> >
> Again, we have stopped posting the "Jordy" poems several months ago. No one has been calling Jordy a "child molester" for some time now.

Yes, you've stopped calling Jordy a child molester for now. Just as you've stopped calling my father a child molester for now. And you think that means we have to be nice to you? You're like a bedbug complaining about being squashed, when he wasn't biting anyone at the time. Fuck you: you're a bedbug, and squashing is all that you deserve.

> I realize that you only come to AAPC when you're looking for a fight, but you really need to familiarize yourself with the current state of affairs before you go shooting your mouth off.

Michael, I realize I don't post here all day long like you and your Chimp (great "jobs" you have to let you do that, BTW), but I'm familiar enough with the "current state of affairs". The Chimp's got cocky, now that he thinks you got rid of Zod, and is simply hoping to repeat the success with Jordy.

> > The questions is: why the fuck does Michael Monkey think anyone would want to "get along" with a bedbug like him?
> Oh, look! Jim just called Jordy a "begbug," so now George the second-hander is going to call everyone else one.

Nice spelling lame, Michael; too bad "begbug" was your own invention. If you'd paid attention to the group, yourself, you'd note that I called your Ashtroll a piece of bedbug shit a week or so ago (with you being the bedbug whose shit he was). Stop trying to take credit for my lines -- it's as obnoxious as when you try to take credit for my poetry.

> > > No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.
> > What a great deal for Jordy: Stop posting so much, so the Monkey and his flunkies are freed up to bother other people more. How could he refuse?
> >
> WTF is wrong with you, George Dance? No one would bother with *anyone* on your "team" if they weren't constantly trying to bury everyone else's conversations and poetry under a daily deluge of spam and nonsense.

What I noted about Jordy applies to Will: if he just posted what you allowed him to, then you'd just find someone else to troll. It's an alt-group, and not everyone is going to pretend you're the moderator.

> > > If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts.
> > That isn't going to help.
> How would you know?
> > > This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.
> > So go post some poetry; stop whining and crying about what everyone else posts.
> I've written and posted *five* new poems here this month.
>
> How many have you posted?

As you know, I've given up posting any new poems here. That's why you and your flunky "colleague" have been digging up old poems of mine to troll those threads.

> > > If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us.

> > Of course you three aren't interested in any but your own "poetry." That's no reason for everyone else to stop posting or reading them.

> >
> I'm interested in *discussing* poetry, George. I've discussed many of the poems that you post on your blog with you.

No, Michael; you've tried to draw me into discussions, but I'm no longer willing to help you pretend that you're anything but a troll. If you wish to pretend to be a literary critic, you have two flunkies (four, if you count your useful idiots, the Ashtroll and MEatpuppet) to "discuss" with. I'd suggest you look to them instead.

> I'm not interested in reading famous poems of someone else's choice. If Jordy has something to say about those poems, I'd be delighted to discuss it with him. But posting links without comments is just annoying.

For my part, I'd much rather read or listen to a poem than read or listen to someone else's "comments" about one. That's because I'm capable of understanding a poem on my own. I realize that's a hard concept for you to grasp, but there it is.

>
> You'd get more discussions about the poetry on your blog if you posted comments regarding it as well.

See above. Just because I'd welcome discussions of the poems I post, doesn't mean I'd welcome trying to discuss them with you.

> > > This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.
> > What makes you think Jordy, or anyone else, would want to "discuss" poetry with you three trolls?
> Anyone who doesn't want to discuss poetry should not come to a poetry discussion group. Go to RAP. RAP is the perfect place for Jordy to post his uncommented on youtube links.

Yes, Michael. I revived RAP as a place for that as a favor to you, remember? But, as someone who's been driven off both RAP and aapc by trolls in the past, I'm not going to enable such behavior on your part or your Chimp's. If Jordy wants to come to RAP, he's most welcome; but that's his choice, not yours, to make.

> > > But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.
> > "Wasted" is an adjective, Monkey; you're using it as a noun. Maybe Jordy can find some links to grammar pages for you; but, since you wouldn't read them either, that would be a "wasted" too.
> >
> It's just a typo, George.

Yes, Michael: Whenever you or your flunkies make a spelling or grammar mistake, it's always "just a typo".

> > > Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.
> > As someone who's tried that with the Monkey and the Chimp, I can assure Jordy that is not gonna happen. Notice that the Monkey's appealing to the same ethical rule (reciprocity) that he insists he doesn't have to follow.
> >
> That's a bald-faced lie, George. I've been behaving civilly to you for years.

Oh, look, you called me a liar again. Do I really need to post how many times you've called me a liar, and a paranoid, and a piece of shit, and a plagiarist, and other examples of your "civil" behavior, in the past month alone? I've been doing that for years; now, I think, it's easier to just tell you to stop spewing your self-serving shit.

> Note that I'm still addressing, and referring to, you as "George" -- in spite of your calling me a monkey.

Whoop-de-do! I'm calling you "Michael," you stupid cunt. Want me to tell you how "civil" that makes me?

> > > Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?
> > So, you call him a "troll". Why should he care?
> I doubt he will. But he constantly pretends that he's a nice guy who just wants peace.
>
> Let's see if he really does.

It's possible that Jordy thinks appeasement is the road to peace with you and your ilk; but I doubt he believes that any longer. As someone who tried the Neville Chamberlain thing with you, for years, I can assure him that it doesn't work.

> > > Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.
> > The Chimp was trolling him, just like you're trolling him.
> Asking for peace is trolling?

Since you're forgotten already, let's remind you of what your Chimp's comments in this thread:
<quote>
I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot. Dockery likes being abused.
And I will abuse him. Accepting responsibility.

The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.

My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top. You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.

Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.

So be it.
</q>

Keep pretending he was just "asking for peace".

> WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?
> > > You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.
> > You're trying the same victim-blaming as your Chimp.
> Jordy is hardly a victim.
>
> Most of us find his "Hello" posts and blind links to be inconsiderate -- even rude -- behavior.

I'm sure that all of your flunkies and idiots would say so, even those who don't read his posts, just because that's what you tell them. Of course, they'd also agree that you and the Chimp are not being inconsiderate and rude at all, but simply "asking for peace" -- so who gives a fuck what those four say?

> > > Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.
> > If it's anything like that happened to me when I tried it, the results will be: Jordy will post less, while the Monkey and the Chimp will keep trolling (or, as the Monkey calls it, "reasoning") as usual.
> >
> What do you think I've done to you, George?

OMFG, Michael! If I wanted to chronicle what you've done in the past six years, I'd never end this post. Go back and read the archives that you keep pretending that you know so well.

>
> I treat you civilly even when you call me childish names.
>
> When you're behaving like a p.o.s., I'll tell you so. But the remedy for that is simply for you to not behave like a p.o.s.

That's one. When I disagree with you when you're wrong (which you usually are), your normal response is to call me a piece of shit -- just like you call anyone anyone who disagrees with you a piece of shit.

> Like I said, you're supposedly intelligent enough to know better.

yes, Michael; I'm intelligent enough to know that, if I pretended to agree with you all the time, you wouldn't; after all, when was the last time you called your chimp or your buffoon a piece of shit? But, unlike those two, I'm also intelligent enough to realize that there's no reason to care what you call other people. And, judging by his past coments, I'm sure that Jordy is intelligent enough to realize the same thing.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 11:13:02 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:09:26 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:42:48 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:29:27 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > > I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot.
> > > So you whine 24/7. Basically, you've done nothing with your life, and you're trying to feel better about yourself by telling yourself that at least you're better than someone else; because that's all you have.
> > >
> > None of us have become rich and famous, George. But most of us have raised families and been gainfully employed for most of our adult lives.
> Since the three of you are anonymous trolls, Michael, you can pretend to be anything you like. There is no reason for anyone to believe any of your stories about yourself, any more than there is to believe your stories about everyone else here.
>

Which three of us are you referring to, George? You had been trolling Jim, who most certainly is not anonymous.

Nor, for that matter, am I. Like many writers, I write and publish under a pseudonym. Would you call Mark Twain, George Eliot, Lewis Carroll, and... wait for it... Ayn Rand "anonymous"?

> > Will's "biographical" posts show that he constantly passed his children (and wife) off on his in-laws, and spent the time he should have been caring for his family out boozing, drugging, sleeping around with the local skanks; squatting in boarded up houses with no electricity or running water; and spending what little money he earned (20+ years ago when he was actually working) on drugs, leaving his wife to support their children.
> >
> > He now lives in a shed that he inherited from his mother -- after having lived off of her and his mentally disabled brother's disability check for 2+ decades; and has a son in prison for having sexually exploited minors.
> See above.
> > So, yeah... we can all point to Will Donkey and say "Hey, at least I'm doing better than him" (George "Stink" Sulzbach excepted).
> That's the option you've chosen. Alternately, you could look at your own accomplishments and derive your self-worth from them. But, of course, you can't do that (which is why you post anonymously); so inventing stories about Will is all you can do.
>

It may come to you as a shock, but I never think of the Donkey when I'm not posting in AAPC.

My accomplishments? I've raised three amazing children (put two through college, and will be sending the third to college next in 2024).

I have a steady job, own a home, and believe that I've been a good husband and father.

As a writer, I've had a modicum of success in the small press arena; have published several magazines and books; and have created many works that I am proud of.

In terms of self-worth, I'm happy with who I am. Some people say that I like myself a bit more than is considered normal -- but I'm happy with that as well.

And, finally, I haven't invented any stories about Will Donkey. Will has posted his "autobiography" here, on your wiki page, and elsewhere on the internet. Anything I've said about Will came straight from the Donkey's mouth.

> > But so what?
>
> You tell me. You and your Chimp are the ones whining about it.

Accusing others of "whining" is a typical troll tactic used to avoid the actual issue.

> > Most of us would naturally take pity on the Donkey and treat him with kindness (suffer the little children and the childlike in mind), if he weren't flooding the group with nonsense 24/7 ("Hello" posts, multiple threads for each of his poems, blog links, necroposts and necrobumps, constantly repeated one-liners that he's second-handed from everyone else, etc.
> Michael: the only people you "tolerate" on this group are those who cybersuck you; if you want a group composed only of those, then go find one. Ask your new friend "Piggy John-John" to set up an "alt.arts.suck-the monkey" group for you and them. Perfect solution.
> >

That's another bald-faced lie, George.

1) I treat everyone who posts here equally (whether that's considered "good" or "bad" depends on how much one appreciates my honest opinions and critiques). That is, I treat everyone equally *so long as they abide by the AAPC Guidelines.*
2) No one here "cybersucks" me.
3) If by "Piggy John-John" you mean PJR, I doubt he considers me his friend; and he certainly would not suck up to me.

You're accusing me of what you and Will do with your little circle jerk group. But then, that's what you always do.

> > It's easy for you to tolerate Will because you use AAPC primarily as a place to advertise your blog.
> Now, Michael, that's not true. Since you sniff behind me on every thread, you know that's not true. So, one has to ask again:
>
> Why do you lie so much, Michael Monkey?

That is true, George.

Most of your posts are links to your blog. Other than that, you only create/get involved in flame wars over your own poetry, or troll those you mistakenly see as your enemies.

You never offer critiques of others' poetry, and rarely write/post any new poems of your own.

> > The rest of us, who want to post *and discuss* poetry, do not appreciate having to sift through dozens of "hello" posts to find our conversations.
> Corey Conman explained what to do about that. The only reason you didn't pay attention is that you prefer to bitch and moan about everyone who's not on Team Monkey.
>

Do you have any idea as to how childish you sound?

I don't remember what Corey advised, but it obviously didn't work, or I'd have followed it.

Again, I automatically report/block every thread that's started by Jordy and Stinky George. However, blocking threads takes time -- which can add up when there are upwards of 50 such threads a day.

And, also again, it is extremely to know at what point a conversation one has been participating in has devolved into a series of "Hellos" between Jordy and Will -- until one has both opened it, and scrolled up it to see if there are any legitimate posts awaiting a response.

> > Teach your Donkey to be considerate of others, and others will be considerate of him in return. That's the non-petty, non-combative version of Tit for Tat that most people naturally ascribe to.
> Yes, Michael; but that won't work for people like you who don't follow that or any ethics. I'm sure Will's aware of that as well as I am.
> > > > Dockery likes being abused.
> > >
> > > That's what wannabe abusers always tell themselves.
> > Jim has a point there.
> >
> I explained his point. He's trying to justify acting like his Monkey King by victim-blaming.

No one is victim-blaming, George.

When Jordy first started posting uncommented on links, I repeatedly asked him to either provide comments or stop spamming them. Jordy refused.

When Jordy first started saying "Hello" to Will and Stinky 10x/day, I asked him to take it to his personal email, or (at Karen's suggestion) to limit his greeting to a single thread. Jordy refused.

When someone continues to do something that others have repeatedly asked him to stop doing because it is inconsiderate and annoying, he is not the victim, but the aggressor. "Passive-obnoxious" is the perfect description of his behavior.

> > When the Donkey is ignored, he'll often start new attack threads to get our attention.
> IOW - he'll post "Hello" or something, and you'll whine that it's an "attack thread" so that you can start attacking him again.

Again, if Jordy started behaving considerately to others, others would gladly be considerate in return.

> > > > And I will abuse him.
> > > No you don't. You whine and cry and waste his time; but you don't manage to actually hurt anyone.
> > Stop it, George. No one whines and cries here (except for you).
> "Waaah! We're *not* whining. You're just being mean to us!" What a silly little Monkey you sound like.

No one is whining, George.

At this point, you've progressed from whining to throwing a tantrum.

> And since the Donkey has no job or immediate family living with him, he has all the time in the world.
> You and the Chimp seem to have plenty of free time. (But of course you say you have "families" and "jobs".)

In the past, several AAPC members have posted tallies of how many posts each of us makes per week/month/year. Will and Stinky each posted more than the rest of us combined.

> > Does anyone hurt the Donkey? No.
> Of course not. Chimp tries, and Monkey tries, but all you do is make yourself look like fools.

No, George, we don't try to hurt him.

The Donkey is impervious to emotional pain.

The Donkey chooses to play the troll here -- so we treat him as one.

> > Does anyone want to hurt the Donkey? No.
> Actually, that seems to be most of what the Monkey and Chimp want. Too bad all you can do is whine and cry about it.

Your paranoia/persecution complex extends to your "allies" as well.

> > No one wants to kick a man who's down.
> No, Michael; as we've seen, you love to try to "kick" anyone who won't cybersuck you; whether they're "down" or not isn't a consideration.
>

No one has ever cybersucked me, George.

I kick asses. If you act like an ass, I'll kick you. That's all.

> > I think that we would all be happy to get along with Will (or, at least, to ignore him), if he weren't constantly spamming our group, burying our conversations, etc.
> Well, isn't that nice? You and your flunkies would be "happy" to ignore Will if he only stopped posting here. Just the way you three have been ignoring Zod since he stopped, right? Stop trying to bullshit the group.
> > > >

Yes, I'd say that for the most part we have been ignoring him.

> > > > The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.
> > > You're full of shit, as usual, Chimp. If Will wasn't here, you'd be trying to abuse someone else, because without that you'd have no sense of self-worth.
> > >
> > You're projecting again, George. Jim has never given any indication that he suffers from low self-esteem. That's your thing ("boys can be such filthy things," etc.).
> Nonsense. The Chimp's problem, in a nutshell, is that he's getting old, looking back on his life, and realizing that he's failed, as a man and as a poet -- so he needs someone he can pretend to look down on. If it weren't Will, it would be someone else.
>

I don't know the particulars of Jim's life, but I'm certain that he has also been a good husband and father, has been gainfully employed for most of his adult life, and quite a lot to take pride in.

> > > > My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top.
> > > I doubt he even thinks about you that much; but, if he did, who'd blame him? Since virtually all you have to say is bullshit about Will, and virtually all your poetry is also bullshit about Will, why the hell wouldn't he want to bury it? Who do you think wants to read any of your crap here? Your monkey and your buffoon, of course; but AFAIC, he and Jordy are doing the group a public service.
> > >
> > No, George, Jordy isn't doing anyone a service (apart from servicing the Donkey). And your supporting him does a disservice to the group as well.
> Well, boo-hoo! He's not serving your Team. That's what you have the Chimp, the MEatpuppet, and the Ashtroll for.

AAPC is one team, George. Those on the "team" come here to post and discuss poetry. Those not on the "team" come here to troll.

> > You're really the worst of the lot as, unlike Will and Jordy, you claim to be intelligent enough to know better.
> Yet it's only borderline retards like the Chimp and the MEatpuppet who are "intelligent" enough to buy your bullshit. That should tell you something.
>

No, George. Jim and ME are both very intelligent people. You're just sticking in another IKYABAI variation because I correctly noted that Will and Jordy lack the intelligence to discuss poetry (or to respect the rights of those who do)>

> > > > You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...
> > > Since virtually all your "poetry" is bullshit about Will, as well, the same comment applies.
> > That isn't true, George. Jim posts a great deal of non-Donkey-related poetry in AYoS.
> And here you go advertising your "ezine" again. Did you forget your earlier whine about my "advertising" my blog?

My "ezine" is also an annual print zine. And, since it is *part of AAPC* (a very big part of AAPC), there is nothing wrong with advertising it here.

> > As Jim has pointed out in the past, AYoS has become the last bastion for poetry here.
> Well, duh! You set up your vanity project for so the Chimp would get "published" -- no wonder he shills for it.

Jim has a book of published poetry available at amazon.

> > AAPC has become a spam-dump and battlefield -- thanks to the antics of your Donkey and his socks.
> Michael; aapc has been a battlefield for years, as you know; Team Monkey isn't the first gang of trolls to try to take it over (remember "The Song of the Smug Academic"), and you won't be the last. Trying to blame it all on your victim and his imaginary "socks" may work for a newbie, but don't try that bullshit on someone who's read the group and (unlike your Chimp) doesn't need you to "explain" what's happening.
>

AAPC is only a battlefield because the Donkey tries to drive everyone away. It it's "always" been a battlefield, it's only because the Donkey has been doing so for the past 20+ years.

> > > > You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.
> > > Unlike you, Jordy posts poems and links that are often worth reading.
> "And there's no reply at all." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

This has already been addressed. Jordy posts poems that most of us studied in high school English classed. The AAPC Guidelines stipulate that one can only post the poetry of others if one offers their own thoughts on that poem.

Jordy's posts are spam that most of us report as such.

> > > > Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
> > > >
> > > I suspect that poor Jordy will just keep trying to appeal to your better nature, clinging to the belief that you still have one.
> > Jordy isn't appealing -- he accusing. Accusations don't accomplish anything -- other than fanning the pre-existing flames.
> All he's "accusing" the Chimp of is what everyone can see the Chimp doing here on a daily basis.

No one sees anything of the sort, George. That's another of your paranoid delusions.

> > > > So be it.
> > >
> > > Amen, brother.
> > WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?
> "Amen" means "so be it," Michael. I'd have thought that even a fake Jew like you would know that.

I'm asking WTF is wrong with you.

Don't you want to have AAPC become a forum where poets can post and discuss one another's poetry in a relatively peaceful atmosphere?

[Will Dockery]

Exactly, since Michael Pendragon hasn't stopped slinging his monkey shit since 2017.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:47:54 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:51:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > > >
> > > > Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?
> > > And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.
> > Behave yourself, George.
> >
> > The fact that you refer to Jim and I as a "chimp" and a "monkey" reveal your desire to keep AAPC a breeding ground for trolls and flamewars.
> > > > You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.
> > > I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.
> > >
> > AAPC is our group, George. It's your group, too -- even though you do your best to help the Donkey run it into the ground.
> >
> > And, yes, I can safely say that most of us are familiar with the poetry "Jordy" posts links to. Most of these are well known poems that we read in our high school English classes.
> > > > Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
> > > >
> > > It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.
> > >
> > It's extremely rude to post 15 "Hellos" a day, George.
> >
> > It's an attempt to 1) flood the group with garbage so that most of us will get tired of sifting through it and leave, and 2) an attempt to bury all of our conversations for the same reason.
> No, Michael, it really isn't. Just because you and the Chimp constantly think about Will and Jordy, does not mean that they think that much about you at all. I think you know that they don't, which is why you're constantly trying to get in their face (like here).
> > > > Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?
> > > Why do you expect anyone to care? If that's a problem for you, I'm sure you can figure out how to change your settings, or get someone to explain it for you. Why should everyone else change their posting habits to accommodate you?
> > I don't link AAPC to my email, but others may do so.
> IOW, you're now whining about Jordy not "realizing" something you just made up.

I've had AAPC set to post alerts in my email in the past. I'm sure others have done so as well.

> > Again, it's inconsiderate to anyone who might be doing it.
> If anyone feels abused by it, they can read the advice I just gave them. It's not that hard to change one's group settings.

Or Jordy could just be considerate.

> > > > Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?
> > > No one is "forcing" you either you or the Chimp to click on anyone else's posts. If you don't like clicking on posts, then don't. I skip tons of your bullshit each day.
> > >
> > No one clicks on threads Jordy starts (except to report them as spam and have them blocked).
> If that's what you're doing, then you're only clicking on his posts 15 times a day because you want to. Stop your paranoia about others "forcing" you to do that.
>

I have to click on the "report spam" button to block them.

If I don't block them, they will keep popping up 6+ times a day when Jordy and Will perform their ritual greetings.

> > However, Will and Jordy start their "Hello" routine in the middle of ongoing conversations, and these are much more difficult to filter out..
> I have the same problem finding and reporting your Chimp's (and your other flunkies') troll posts. But unlike you I can take responsibility for my choices, rather than jabber that they're "forcing" me to report them.
>

You report posts to have them removed.

I report them as "spam" since it's the only means I have of blocking them.

You do so out of pettiness.

I do so in an attempt to filter out Jordy's idiotic spam.

> > Nor should anyone have to filter out dozens of mindless "Hello" posts a day in a Usenet group that they've joined to discuss poetry with others.
> If anyone ever comes here again to discuss poetry, that may be an issue. I'm content to leave it for if or when it comes up.

People usually "lurk" in a group for a few days to get a feel for it prior to joining. No one would ever join a group where 3/4s of the threads consist of Will exchanging greetings with Jordy.

> > It is rude to the point of being passively obnoxious (passive-obnoxious is a new psychological term I've just coined specifically for Jordy).
> Not the first time you've tried to pass of your insults as "psychology". I think this is the perfect time for the perennial question:
> What the fuck is wrong with you, Michael Monkey?

If the diagnosis fits...

> > > > How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?
> > > Let's see: there's the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon: Team Monkey. The same three who like to repeatedly post that Jordy (being gay and Jewish) is a child molester -- without a thought for whether that's "considerate or not.
> > >
> > We've stopped the child molester posts several months ago, George. It hasn't caused "Jordy" to cut back on his obnoxious "Hello" posts in return.
> Yes, Michael, I know that -- remember, I spend most of my time hear looking for and reporting Team Monkey trolls.

You've misspelled "here," George.

> I also know why you stopped; it wasn't to be nice to Jordy, and it wasn't because you worked out an accommodation with him. Nor does it make you a "nice" person who deserves "consideration" -- you three are still throwing your monkey poo at him, this thread being a good example.
>

Why do you think I've stopped, George?

> > As for you accusatory implications: I'm Jewish, and I sincerely believe that "Jordy's" relationship with his nephew is... disturbing.
> Just as you believe all your real and imagined enemies, including not just me but my father, are child molesters. But, please: tell me that you've stopped calling my father that, so you're really a nice person after all.
>

According to your poem, your father abused you physically, and your family abused you emotionally. Your poem also implies that your father sodomized you on a regular basis.

If that isn't the message that you wanted to get across, I suggest that you revise your poem accordingly.

> > > > How many times have we asked you to stop?
> > > You piss and moan about Jordy's posts almost as many times as you've called him a child molester. That's a lot of times.
> > As I've said, Jordy is worst troll here -- that is to say he's the most annoying.
> And as I've said, you're *the* worst troll here. Are you pretending to be Russian today?

Illya rub off.

(In more ways than one.)

> > And yes, I've asked him to stop many times over the course of the past few years.
> > > > If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.
> > > That's all it takes to get along with Michael Monkey -- respect his wishes and be considerate of him. Of course, he'll still call you a child molester, but he'll be happier.
> > >
> > Again, we have stopped posting the "Jordy" poems several months ago. No one has been calling Jordy a "child molester" for some time now.
> Yes, you've stopped calling Jordy a child molester for now. Just as you've stopped calling my father a child molester for now. And you think that means we have to be nice to you? You're like a bedbug complaining about being squashed, when he wasn't biting anyone at the time. Fuck you: you're a bedbug, and squashing is all that you deserve.
>

You sound butthurt, George.

Holding grudges doesn't do anyone any good.

> > I realize that you only come to AAPC when you're looking for a fight, but you really need to familiarize yourself with the current state of affairs before you go shooting your mouth off.
> Michael, I realize I don't post here all day long like you and your Chimp (great "jobs" you have to let you do that, BTW), but I'm familiar enough with the "current state of affairs". The Chimp's got cocky, now that he thinks you got rid of Zod, and is simply hoping to repeat the success with Jordy.
>

WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?

Jim wants Jordy to stop flooding the group with sub-moronic "Hello" posts. We all do. That the only thing that's going on here.

> > > The questions is: why the fuck does Michael Monkey think anyone would want to "get along" with a bedbug like him?
> > Oh, look! Jim just called Jordy a "begbug," so now George the second-hander is going to call everyone else one.
> Nice spelling lame, Michael; too bad "begbug" was your own invention. If you'd paid attention to the group, yourself, you'd note that I called your Ashtroll a piece of bedbug shit a week or so ago (with you being the bedbug whose shit he was). Stop trying to take credit for my lines -- it's as obnoxious as when you try to take credit for my poetry.
>

I would never want to take credit for you poetry, George. Never.

> > > > No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.
> > > What a great deal for Jordy: Stop posting so much, so the Monkey and his flunkies are freed up to bother other people more. How could he refuse?
> > >
> > WTF is wrong with you, George Dance? No one would bother with *anyone* on your "team" if they weren't constantly trying to bury everyone else's conversations and poetry under a daily deluge of spam and nonsense.
> What I noted about Jordy applies to Will: if he just posted what you allowed him to, then you'd just find someone else to troll. It's an alt-group, and not everyone is going to pretend you're the moderator.
>

I fight trolls, George. End of story.

If Will stops trolling AAPC, I stop fighting Will.

If someone else starts trolling AAPC, I start fighting with him.

> > > > If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts.
> > > That isn't going to help.
> > How would you know?
> > > > This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.
> > > So go post some poetry; stop whining and crying about what everyone else posts.
> > I've written and posted *five* new poems here this month.
> >
> > How many have you posted?
> As you know, I've given up posting any new poems here. That's why you and your flunky "colleague" have been digging up old poems of mine to troll those threads.
>

Then stop projecting your own shortcomings on me.

> > > > If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us.
> > > Of course you three aren't interested in any but your own "poetry." That's no reason for everyone else to stop posting or reading them.
> > >
> > I'm interested in *discussing* poetry, George. I've discussed many of the poems that you post on your blog with you.
> No, Michael; you've tried to draw me into discussions, but I'm no longer willing to help you pretend that you're anything but a troll. If you wish to pretend to be a literary critic, you have two flunkies (four, if you count your useful idiots, the Ashtroll and MEatpuppet) to "discuss" with. I'd suggest you look to them instead.
>

Again, I must ask you to stop projecting your own shortcomings on me.

I continually attempt to engage in poetry-related discussions with you. If you refuse, don't claim that I'm only interested in discussing my own work.

> > I'm not interested in reading famous poems of someone else's choice. If Jordy has something to say about those poems, I'd be delighted to discuss it with him. But posting links without comments is just annoying.
> For my part, I'd much rather read or listen to a poem than read or listen to someone else's "comments" about one. That's because I'm capable of understanding a poem on my own. I realize that's a hard concept for you to grasp, but there it is.
> >

This is Alt.Arts.Poetry.COMMENTS (CAPS used for emphasis). RAP is where you go to read poetry. AAPC is where you go to *discuss* poetry.

This is a discussion group.

The point is not to read Jordy's thoughts on a well known poem, but to *discuss* Jordy's thoughts on that poem -- and to consider and express our own views regarding it as well.

> > You'd get more discussions about the poetry on your blog if you posted comments regarding it as well.
> See above. Just because I'd welcome discussions of the poems I post, doesn't mean I'd welcome trying to discuss them with you.
>

Then I strongly advise you to stick to posting at RAP.

> > > > This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.
> > > What makes you think Jordy, or anyone else, would want to "discuss" poetry with you three trolls?
> > Anyone who doesn't want to discuss poetry should not come to a poetry discussion group. Go to RAP. RAP is the perfect place for Jordy to post his uncommented on youtube links.
> Yes, Michael. I revived RAP as a place for that as a favor to you, remember? But, as someone who's been driven off both RAP and aapc by trolls in the past, I'm not going to enable such behavior on your part or your Chimp's. If Jordy wants to come to RAP, he's most welcome; but that's his choice, not yours, to make.
>

It's not a choice, George. It's a matter of common courtesy.

You post poetry in a group that was created for people to post poetry in.

You discuss poetry in a group that was created for people to discuss poetry in.

It is rude to thrust your own agenda on a group.

Groups have Guidelines, and those who choose not to follow the Guidelines have no business being in the group.

> > > > But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.
> > > "Wasted" is an adjective, Monkey; you're using it as a noun. Maybe Jordy can find some links to grammar pages for you; but, since you wouldn't read them either, that would be a "wasted" too.
> > >
> > It's just a typo, George.
> Yes, Michael: Whenever you or your flunkies make a spelling or grammar mistake, it's always "just a typo".

It is what it is.

> > > > Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.
> > > As someone who's tried that with the Monkey and the Chimp, I can assure Jordy that is not gonna happen. Notice that the Monkey's appealing to the same ethical rule (reciprocity) that he insists he doesn't have to follow.
> > >
> > That's a bald-faced lie, George. I've been behaving civilly to you for years.
> Oh, look, you called me a liar again. Do I really need to post how many times you've called me a liar, and a paranoid, and a piece of shit, and a plagiarist, and other examples of your "civil" behavior, in the past month alone? I've been doing that for years; now, I think, it's easier to just tell you to stop spewing your self-serving shit.
>

If you lie, I will call you a liar.

If you act like a paranoiac, I shall point it out to you.

If you behave like a piece of shit, I shall call you a piece of shit.

And if you steal someone else's poetry, I will call you on that as well.

This doesn't just go for you, but for *everyone* here -- including my so-called "team-mates."

> > Note that I'm still addressing, and referring to, you as "George" -- in spite of your calling me a monkey.
> Whoop-de-do! I'm calling you "Michael," you stupid cunt. Want me to tell you how "civil" that makes me?

And I'm pointing you that your second-handing "cunt" only shows how butthurt you are from its recent application to yourself.

> > > > Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?
> > > So, you call him a "troll". Why should he care?
> > I doubt he will. But he constantly pretends that he's a nice guy who just wants peace.
> >
> > Let's see if he really does.
> It's possible that Jordy thinks appeasement is the road to peace with you and your ilk; but I doubt he believes that any longer. As someone who tried the Neville Chamberlain thing with you, for years, I can assure him that it doesn't work.
>

Again, just what do you think I've done to you, George?

> > > > Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.
> > > The Chimp was trolling him, just like you're trolling him.
> > Asking for peace is trolling?
> Since you're forgotten already, let's remind you of what your Chimp's comments in this thread:
> <quote>
> I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot. Dockery likes being abused.

Will obviously gets off on it.

> And I will abuse him. Accepting responsibility.
> The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.
>

"Hello" posts are frowned upon in the Guidelines.

I want a group that gets along -- and that adheres to the established Guidelines.

This is not a social club. It is a place that has been specifically designated for literary discussions (especially poetry-related discussions).

> My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top. You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.
> Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
> So be it.
> </q>
>
> Keep pretending he was just "asking for peace".

This is the latest in a series of threads he's addressed to Jordy. Since Jordy has refused to respond to any of them, Jim's tone has become more severe.

> > WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?
> > > > You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.
> > > You're trying the same victim-blaming as your Chimp.
> > Jordy is hardly a victim.
> >
> > Most of us find his "Hello" posts and blind links to be inconsiderate -- even rude -- behavior.
> I'm sure that all of your flunkies and idiots would say so, even those who don't read his posts, just because that's what you tell them. Of course, they'd also agree that you and the Chimp are not being inconsiderate and rude at all, but simply "asking for peace" -- so who gives a fuck what those four say?
>

We behave rudely to those who are rude. As Mr. Tit-4-Tat, you should understand.

> > > > Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.
> > > If it's anything like that happened to me when I tried it, the results will be: Jordy will post less, while the Monkey and the Chimp will keep trolling (or, as the Monkey calls it, "reasoning") as usual.
> > >
> > What do you think I've done to you, George?
> OMFG, Michael! If I wanted to chronicle what you've done in the past six years, I'd never end this post. Go back and read the archives that you keep pretending that you know so well.
> >

I'm asking what I've done to you in response to one of your civil posts. Or even in response to one of your only marginally civil posts (those where you refer to me as a monkey).

As Jim has stated, I've send him private emails asking him to try getting along with you and accepting you as part of the group. I have bend over backwards trying to negotiate treaties between you and the other members -- only to have you fly off the handle at the tiniest criticism and launch into another round of your paranoia-fueled attacks.

> > I treat you civilly even when you call me childish names.
> >
> > When you're behaving like a p.o.s., I'll tell you so. But the remedy for that is simply for you to not behave like a p.o.s.
> That's one. When I disagree with you when you're wrong (which you usually are), your normal response is to call me a piece of shit -- just like you call anyone anyone who disagrees with you a piece of shit.
>

Post one example of that, George.

I call you a p.o.s. when you do shitty things like telling people who are in the hospital undergoing a bone marrow transplant that they could die soon -- not when you simply disagree with me.

> > Like I said, you're supposedly intelligent enough to know better.
> yes, Michael; I'm intelligent enough to know that, if I pretended to agree with you all the time, you wouldn't; after all, when was the last time you called your chimp or your buffoon a piece of shit? But, unlike those two, I'm also intelligent enough to realize that there's no reason to care what you call other people. And, judging by his past coments, I'm sure that Jordy is intelligent enough to realize the same thing.
>

I don't know who you're calling a "buffoon," but Jim has never once behaved like a p.o.s.

You, otoh, have done so -- several times.

BTW, You've misspelled "comments."

[W.Dockery]

George Dance wrote:

> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>

>> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...

> You're right, Jordy. Thank you for speaking up.

Agreed and seconded.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

LISTEN! While I talk to a wall
an exercise in futility, I know
But I'm sure I'm not alone
so many do so, to hear their echoes
-- (from Woke Verses)

No one to talk to while alone?
No need to pick up a phone
Just go to AAPC for your hellos
and you'll find your nodfellows
cheap 'n easy, they'll be your salutatory hos
they'll hola you long time for the rub of their ego

"Kill the spirits and you'll be blinded
And the end is always the same
Play with fire you burn your fingers
And lose your hold of the flame, oh
It's over, it's done
The end has begun
If you listen to fools
The mob rules..."
--'Mob Rules' ~~Black Sabbath w/ Ronnie James Dio \m/

I can finally see my screen again...
And what in the misbegotten legacy of whippin' fools is goin' on this troll time?

[W-Dockery]

You seem confused again.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

Bury away sWilly, I have a whole salvo ready for you...
Now since you cannot ever detail how someone is confused, it's perhaps you that is confused- but more likely deluded...

Such an interesting devolution of an "Usenet veteran", of his ego's prostitution, selling itself for illusion of a self aggrandizing revolution, only devolving into Lilliputian delusion.

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 5:45:23 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>

> > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...
>
> Bury away

Let's not.

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:51:59 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 11:18:25 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>

> > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...

>
> > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
> IKYABWAW.

What a surprise.

🙂

[ME]

Like I said to start off with.
It’s exactly what dance and will does.

[W.Dockery]

Not really.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

Again, well put, George.

[Will Dockery]

Again, agreed and seconded.

[Will Dockery]

Pendragon's just playing stupid again.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Why did you delete my response, deceitful Donkey?

Troll much?

[Will Dockery]

I was responding to George Dance, not you, you delusional little monkey.

[Ash Wurthing]

Funny how Will Dockery, AAPC moderator, can decree that he will respond to others post addressed not him as he pleases, but no one else is allowed. You mentioned MMP's name, so he has a right to respond to your post, ignorant tyrant.

Idiot tyrants that decree that everyone is in a gang against them and beneath them and they herd others like mere sheep, striping away their individuality. How they post edit and create libelous narratives of what others say, take away their speech and put their petty words in their mouths. Seeing these savant idiots here, just being the ridicule of Usenet poetry, I must say they're no kings, just lame goons just forcing their selves upon the rest of us.

[Edward Rochester Esq.]

Will Dockery has slid off the humanity scale.

The mere fact that he was banging another while his wife a son were in the other room, places him below the scale of scum bag.

Now both the wife and the other are no longer in his life..his brother is gone and alone he can ponder his miserable life.

Take this group away from him and he literally has nothing.

To point his pudgy fingers at others, is laughable.

[Ash Wurthing]

Illusory is his self-imagined elite standing in Usenet society
Like some kind of poetry pop idol, thinking he's better than me
But without worshipers, he make a pale facsimile of a creative deity
As the Bard said, a poor player-- at being an epitome of superiority
Just only an avatar of the nimiety of mediocrity
while he sits alone with his hopes and desires-
all pinned upon a digital signal choir

[Ash Wurthing]

I do believe, with how much you're having to repeat yourself, you may be having trouble convincing yourself let alone anyone else...

[W-Dockery]

I'm not here to try to convince anyone of anything, Ash.

"You buy your ticket, you take your choice."

And so it goes.

[W.Dockery]

> yes, Michael; I'm intelligent enough to know that, if I pretended to agree with you all the time, you wouldn't; after all, when was the last time you called your chimp or your buffoon a piece of shit? But, unlike those two, I'm also intelligent enough to realize that there's no reason to care what you call other people. And, judging by his past comments, I'm sure that Jordy is intelligent enough to realize the same thing.

Michael Pendragon doesn't want peace.

If Pendragon and his troll thugs wanted peace here, we could have it immediately.

And so it goes.

[Michael Pendragon]

Really?

Will you stop all of your "Hello Jordy" posts immediately?

Will limit your posts to 25 a day?

If you want a truce, those are the terms.

Non-negotiable.

[Will Dockery]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 4:14:55 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:

> On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 1:11:14 AM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>
> > "You buy your ticket, you take your choice."
>

> There isn't a quotation that says the above

There is now.

🙂

(Moved from the troll thread)

[Ash Wurthing]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:37:13 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:

You may have a point, at least for Team Ash...
If we wanted peace we would leave to go find somewhere better, peaceful and more rewarding, leaving this shitsty to it's owner, sWill "Shit Slingin' Spammin''" Dockery...
Will, Zod, Jordy and Dance's idea of peace is for those of us that post at a normal pace, to be buried under their over posting, thread bumping and necrohumping for all the attention. Let me find Dance's quote where he pretty much said we had to play the sWill spam and bumpin' game.
Trust me, if I brought my metal crew here and we spammed like them, they would be whining that we were hogging up the group...

[Ash Wurthing]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 2:37:13 PM UTC-4, W.Dockery wrote:

I do believe that sWill is bitter and jealous that not everyone is one of his thugs!

> And so it goes.

OH YES IT DOES GO ON!!! The Donkey shit plowing-
slinging it, trolling it the only way he knows
Mistaking people's upper lips for Zod's
the one he feels regularly as it prods
his ass opinions of his song and comix poet show
So obviously, onward the troll show must go!

[Will Dockery]

You're wrong again, Ash.

I don't have any thugs, they're all on your side of the fence.

HTH and HAND.

[W-Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...

> That’s exactly what will and dance does.

Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.

And so it goes.

[Michael Pendragon]

You know, for a donkey, you sure are whiny, Donkey.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Thursday, May 25, 2023 at 6:45:19 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You're wrong again, Ash.
>
> I don't have any thugs, they're all on your side of the fence.

Is it 'cause you call your goon your "nod men"? If there's any true gang, it would be your crew 'cause y'all are thicker that bullshit when it comes to seconding and giving nods to your posts...

And this "fence" of yours... I and myself are joining with me in apologizing for plowing over your imagined fence like a wrecking ball.

Although, Rochester now may be an honorary member of Ash's Gang-- I let him know of a fund raiser we're doing for one of our own and he chipped in to help a total stranger with no fanfare-- he did it anonymously without any expectations because he was told exactly where his money will be goin', 'cause this person's word is good as gold-- they're working two doubles this holiday weekend 'cause they're still trying to help their self out of their situation.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:

Yes, it goes-- the donkey shit slinging show-- you post five times as much as ME, always fighting or post editing so many of my posts-- even when they're not directed at you-- and you call ME obsessed? Who do you think you're trying to fool? Jordy? Because I've have yet to see any one other than your nodding yes men agree with you...

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 9:29:48 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > ME wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > >
> > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
> > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
> > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
> >
> > And so it goes.
> Yes, it goes-- the donkey shit slinging

Right, and here you are slinging the shit, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

[Ash Wurthing]

As you always say, I just call it as I see it!
Such a shame that you have nothing better to do than spend all your time on AAPC getting in the last shit slung word
Must be exhausting work defending and post editing that "corrected record" of your ego
Me? I'm off coordinating a poetry stream between 4 poets all in different locations...
I wonder if I could claim the title of most censored Usenet poet

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:47:54 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:51:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > > >
> > > > Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?
> > > And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.
> > Behave yourself, George.
> >
> > The fact that you refer to Jim and I as a "chimp" and a "monkey" reveal your desire to keep AAPC a breeding ground for trolls and flamewars.
> > > > You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.
> > > I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.
> > >
> > AAPC is our group, George. It's your group, too -- even though you do your best to help the Donkey run it into the ground.
> >
> > And, yes, I can safely say that most of us are familiar with the poetry "Jordy" posts links to. Most of these are well known poems that we read in our high school English classes.
> > > > Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
> > > >
> > > It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.
> > >
> > It's extremely rude to post 15 "Hellos" a day, George.
> >
> > It's an attempt to 1) flood the group with garbage so that most of us will get tired of sifting through it and leave, and 2) an attempt to bury all of our conversations for the same reason.
> No, Michael, it really isn't. Just because you and the Chimp constantly think about Will and Jordy, does not mean that they think that much about you at all. I think you know that they don't, which is why you're constantly trying to get in their face (like here).

Like the others here that have come and gone, in time the Pendragon thugs will be mostly forgotten after they've gone.

> yes, Michael; I'm intelligent enough to know that, if I pretended to agree with you all the time, you wouldn't; after all, when was the last time you called your chimp or your buffoon a piece of shit? But, unlike those two, I'm also intelligent enough to realize that there's no reason to care what you call other people. And, judging by his past coments, I'm sure that Jordy is intelligent enough to realize the same thing.

...

[Ash Wurthing]

How do I troll thee? Let me bump all the ways...

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>

> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...

Good afternoon, Jordy, again, well put.

[Ash Wurthing]

Compiling... composing... proposing a repurposing of the same old well worn meaningless purposes...
What do we have goin' on here? Jordy and I are no longer on speaking terms since he and Will drowned me out in the Afterburner poem link thread when I tried to tell him that the page he linked to was useless for me to try to read. I didn't stick around to see Jordy "hand wave" and bump in encouragement, Will calling me a "whiner" for saying I was not able to see the text. It became obvious that Jordy just posts for Will, Zod and no one else. So there's no need for me to pay any further attention to anything he posts on this group. I guess he didn't get it when I didn't go back to the Strange Days thread to check for his response to my question about the song.

[Will Dockery]

I sure do.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

But I don't think many are believing you. After seeing all the people that you have invited to this group- we're not to believe that ME wasn't one of them?

[Will Dockery]

I wouldn't expect you to, after all, you're on the side of the troll thugs, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

[Jordy C]

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> Compiling... composing... proposing a repurposing of the same old well worn meaningless purposes...
> What do we have goin' on here? Jordy and I are no longer on speaking terms since he and Will drowned me out in the Afterburner poem link thread when I tried to tell him that the page he linked to was useless for me to try to read. I didn't stick around to see Jordy "hand wave" and bump in encouragement, Will calling me a "whiner" for saying I was not able to see the text. It became obvious that Jordy just posts for Will, Zod and no one else. So there's no need for me to pay any further attention to anything he posts on this group. I guess he didn't get it when I didn't go back to the Strange Days thread to check for his response to my question about the song.

Honestly, believe it or not, there was never an attempt on my part to drown out your posts! The truth is that I truly ENJOY your posts! Have said many times that you are an interesting, intelligent, articulate, complex character, Imo, and I enjoy your posts even when we disagree about certain issues… I worry about your intensity at times,
But being rather intense myself, I enjoy that too! There is no conspiracy against you, truly!

[ME]

Ash, this is just one of the many lies will repeats over and over again here. Like accusing others of being obsessed with him or stalking him. It’s just part of his delusional behavior.

[Ash Wurthing]

Lol, this calls for a poem stream for Dockery doesn't realize that he created an enemy that is uniquely me, and even if he ever achieves peace with his lumped together enemies, it will not mean peace with me.

Ignorance is bliss to the clueless, isn't it. You have no reading comprehension do you? Let this blind man tell you, that your ego surely has blinded you worse than my blindness.

Ignorance is bliss to idiots
invidious to inconvenient truths and oblivious
to the ignorance of desires insidious.
Nothing is remiss in their reality of "according to me"-
the World determined by their ego's decree,
not the missed new opportunities they refuse to see-
for their seas are only colored by their past glories

You all try to hold me to rules in this strife
of this raucous riot you proudly call Life
and all I say in my defense is "Oh, well"
to the struggle of shallow minds in empty shells
on the slippery slope to their inglorious Hells
These rules of this discord's duplicity
that you decree and apply hypocritically
they serve you only and do no good for me
This self absorbed discord isn't accord
just ignorance pursued for your own reward

[W-Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:23:07 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> > > > ME wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
>> > > > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
>> > > > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
>> >

> this is just one of the many

Of course you're not expected to admit to being an obsessive stalker troll, ME.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

I didn't say conspiracy, you are trapped in the inescapable ever perpetuating vicious cycle of mutually assured contrariness..

You worry that I'm troubled... well I am-- by all of you humans I am troubled. All this trouble you call "Life" and it's struggle and strife of fools coddled by their self absorbed egos-- in shared ignorance they huddle. Their sight is muddled and their understanding befuddled-- they wonder why when their intentions they fumble, their dignity they scuttle and their grand sandcastles crumble.

[Will Dockery]

Agreed, no conspiracy.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

Agreed, the more he repeats them without anything to support them, the more they ring hollow.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 7:27:21 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> Compiling... composing... proposing a repurposing of the same old well worn meaningless purposes...
> What do we have goin' on here? Jordy and I are no longer on speaking terms since he and Will drowned me out in the Afterburner poem link thread when I tried to tell him that the page he linked to was useless for me to try to read. I didn't stick around to see Jordy "hand wave" and bump in encouragement, Will calling me a "whiner" for saying I was not able to see the text. It became obvious that Jordy just posts for Will, Zod and no one else. So there's no need for me to pay any further attention to anything he posts on this group. I guess he didn't get it when I didn't go back to the Strange Days thread to check for his response to my question about the song.

So we have the Court of the Public Opinion's Appeal in session and 'tis time for hard knocked brow beaten lessons. Those fools think they're scholars with prestigious LoseNet letters, but it's obvious that their mommas didn't teach them any better.

And I should really apologize for causing all this ruckus that will unfold-- but behold my defense, if the truth must be told- which with my kith and kin, my word is good as gold and theirs just fool's gold. After seeing their insistence to troll hog wild, I just couldn't resist the temptation to assist them in digging their trolling holes even deeper, just for their flame war to persist.

"Tho I remain guilty, they ask me how I plead
Plead? I don't plead to no man, I don't get on my knees
I'm goin' to hell- oh well, who's comin' with me
I'm goin' to hell for what- for the dissin' of my enemies"
-- 'Hellhounds' ~~ KING 810

I had to wash my hands of the Jordy situation, with him foolishly joining sWilly in the flame war. I was at one time tempted to defend him when it came to his nephew, but his friend Will immediately trying to sabotage it, after seeing Jordy's blind stubbornness in how he demonstrated his so called concern for his nephew by insisting on keeping his nephew's name here for no reason other than selfishness, I thought better of it. Even my imaginary friends weighed in, expressing concern for what Jordy was doing with bringing his nephew into a hostile place for no good reason other than his selfish need to boast about how proud he wss of his nephew. They know more about the effects of the Online on young people's lives than any of us and it's not very considerate to bring someone else's name into a flame war.

I WAS one that DIDN'T demand Jordy to completely leave the group, to stop posting music links or stop using emojis...

I was civil to him since I could excuse him for his naviety, for his self absorbed lack of social skills in a group environment and being exploited by Will who encouraged him to be petty with provocations. I warned him about being sloppy with his "getting back"-- when it's seen as independent acts away from what they may be in response to, then they just appear to be provocation and makes a "victim" become a just another combatant in a "mutual affray argument". But if Jordy thinks someone, Will, who got himself hopeless trapped in a four year flame war, is the person to listen to- all I can say "Oh fucking well" and walk away.

I also warned them about their sloppy obsessive trolling-- they had better ways to argue with their foes, but they just had to prove themselves to be the new "cool kids." And now they're trapped in the vicious cycle of real world online tit for tat. Long Live MAC!! (Mutually Assured Contrariness)

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:09:42 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:38:23 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:23:07 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:12:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > ME wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
> > > > > > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
> > > > > > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
> > > > > You know,
> > > > I sure do.
> > > But I don't think

Obviously.

> > Ash, this is just one of the many

<Lies snipped>

> Agreed, the more he repeats them

As long as the subject comes up, I'll of course repeat the truth.

HTH and HAND.

[Ash Wurthing]

Funny that, I post your very own words and you say so simple minded, that I lie. You know when you say that, you're saying that your very own words that I present are lies!

[Ash Wurthing]

It ain't conspiracies you need worry about, but what you refuse to see--

"you are trapped in the inescapable ever perpetuating vicious cycle of mutually assured contrariness"

"A lot of people have difficulty with brutal honesty,
but ironically it isn’t the brutality that bothers them."
Spam-I-Am (Hieronymous Corey), Sep 9, 2022

[ME]

Great job, Ash!!!

[ME]

Great job, Ash!!

[Ash Wurthing]

I must post a correction:

So we have the Court of the Public Opinion's Appeal in session and 'tis time for hard knocked brow beaten lessons. Those fools think they're scholars with prestigious LoseNet letters, but it's obvious that their mommas didn't teach them any better.

And I should really apologize for causing all this ruckus that will unfold-- but behold my defense, if the truth must be told- which with my kith and kin, my word is good as gold while my fores- theirs is just fool's gold. After seeing their insistence to troll hog wild, I just couldn't resist the temptation to assist them in digging their trolling holes even deeper, just for their flame war to persist.

[Ash Wurthing]

Thanks, the whippin fools keep me busy with hourly writing prompts and I just love bloviating with words.

And goddamned I typoed with my error correction-- you know what this calls for!

[W.Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
>> On Saturday, 27 May 2023 at 23:03:08 UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:09:42 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:38:23 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
>> > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:23:07 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:12:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 3:20:35 PM UTC-4, W-Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > ME wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
>> > > > > > > > > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
>> > > > > > > > > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
>> > > > > > > > You know,
>> > > > > > > I sure do.
>> > > > > > But I don't think
>> > > Obviously.
>> > > > > Ash, this is just one of the many
>> > > <Lies snipped>
>> > > > Agreed, the more he repeats them
>> > > As long as the subject comes up, I'll of course repeat the truth.
>> >

> I post your very own words

Misquoted and out of context, of course.

[ME]

That’s exactly what you do, will.

[Will Dockery]

No I don't.

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

Misquoted? Out of context?*
Please explain these profound words of yours, or they'll just be another of your empty assertions...
*psst, I'm not an idiot like you, I will not present evidence unless I'm damned sure it will back up what I say-- I don't like looking like a fool like you seem to do.

[ME]

He’s so fucking obvious, Ash.

[Ash Wurthing]

Salutations my brave reader, could I interest you in dreadful prose?
Here we go!
This dirge that I have begun
rambles and it's dreadfully long
for it's eternal and will be sung
from here to eternity, life long
by all the pain I see around me
those with avarice in their eyes
greedy to be happy, yet not free
The desolation in their voices
the dolorous sighs of hopes dying
as their aspirations crumble to the ground
Who would have wisdom, come gather around
while I tell that respite is six feet down
So steel yourself to the terror of the screams
for they're merely of slaughtered dreams

[W-Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 12:20:21 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:09:42 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:38:23 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
>> >> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:23:07 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 8:12:09 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> >> On Friday, May 26, 2023 at 8:38:27 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >> >> > On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
>> >> > > > > > > > > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
>> >> > > > > > > > > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
>> >> > > > > > > > You know,
>> >> > > > > > > I sure do.
>> >> > > > > > But I don't think
>> >> > > Obviously.
>> >> > > > > Ash, this is just one of the many
>> >> > > <Lies snipped>
>> >> > > > Agreed, the more he repeats them
>> >> > > As long as the subject comes up, I'll of course repeat the truth.
>> >> >
>> > I post your very own words
>> Misquoted and out of context, of course.

> Misquoted? Out of context

Yes, often.

[Will Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

>> On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 11:09:03 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:

>>> On Saturday, 27 May 2023 at 23:03:08 UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:

>>> > On Saturday, May 27, 2023 at 9:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> >> On Monday, 22 May 2023 at 22:57:39 UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > > >> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsiliblity...
>>> > > > > > > > > > That’s exactly what will and dance does.
>>> > > > > > > > > Says ME, the obsessive troll who stalked me here from Topix Forums simply to harass me.
>>> > > > > > > > You know,
>>> > > > > > > I sure do.
>>> > > > > > But I don't think
>>> > > Obviously.
>>> > > > > Ash, this is just one of the many
>>> > > <Lies snipped>
>>> > > > Agreed, the more he repeats them
>>> > > As long as the subject comes up, I'll of course repeat the truth.
>
> I post your very own words

Like I said, misquoted and out of context, of course.

HTH and HAND.

[ME]

I do enjoy how your writing speaks to my soul.

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:47:54 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:51:33 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 10:18:04 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 9:10:03 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> > > > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsilibulity...
> > > > >
> > > > Has it ever occurred to you that *you* are the "bully" here?
> > > And here's the chimp's litttle monkey pal to help him out with an IKYABWIJ.
> > Behave yourself, George.
> >
> > The fact that you refer to Jim and I as a "chimp" and a "monkey" reveal your desire to keep AAPC a breeding ground for trolls and flamewars.
> > > > You constantly flood our group with "Hello" posts and spam links to poems we're all familiar with.
> > > I wonder which is stupider: Michael Monkey's claim that this is his and his Chimp's group, or his claim that the two of them are familiar with "all" the poems online.
> > >
> > AAPC is our group, George. It's your group, too -- even though you do your best to help the Donkey run it into the ground.
> >
> > And, yes, I can safely say that most of us are familiar with the poetry "Jordy" posts links to. Most of these are well known poems that we read in our high school English classes.
> > > > Do you realize how inconsiderate that is?
> > > >
> > > It's not inconsiderate to say "Hello" or to post links to poems. The Monkey's simply upset again, because Jordy's friendly to people he doesn't like.
> > >
> > It's extremely rude to post 15 "Hellos" a day, George.
> >
> > It's an attempt to 1) flood the group with garbage so that most of us will get tired of sifting through it and leave, and 2) an attempt to bury all of our conversations for the same reason.
> No, Michael, it really isn't. Just because you and the Chimp constantly think about Will and Jordy, does not mean that they think that much about you at all. I think you know that they don't, which is why you're constantly trying to get in their face (like here).
> > > > Do you realize that some of us have AAPC notices show up in our email as well?
> > > Why do you expect anyone to care? If that's a problem for you, I'm sure you can figure out how to change your settings, or get someone to explain it for you. Why should everyone else change their posting habits to accommodate you?
> > I don't link AAPC to my email, but others may do so.
> IOW, you're now whining about Jordy not "realizing" something you just made up.
> > Again, it's inconsiderate to anyone who might be doing it.
> If anyone feels abused by it, they can read the advice I just gave them. It's not that hard to change one's group settings.
> > > > Do you ever think that you're wasting everyone's time by forcing them to click on 15 "Hello" posts a day?
> > > No one is "forcing" you either you or the Chimp to click on anyone else's posts. If you don't like clicking on posts, then don't. I skip tons of your bullshit each day.
> > >
> > No one clicks on threads Jordy starts (except to report them as spam and have them blocked).
> If that's what you're doing, then you're only clicking on his posts 15 times a day because you want to. Stop your paranoia about others "forcing" you to do that.
> > However, Will and Jordy start their "Hello" routine in the middle of ongoing conversations, and these are much more difficult to filter out..
> I have the same problem finding and reporting your Chimp's (and your other flunkies') troll posts. But unlike you I can take responsibility for my choices, rather than jabber that they're "forcing" me to report them.
> > Nor should anyone have to filter out dozens of mindless "Hello" posts a day in a Usenet group that they've joined to discuss poetry with others.
> If anyone ever comes here again to discuss poetry, that may be an issue. I'm content to leave it for if or when it comes up.
> > It is rude to the point of being passively obnoxious (passive-obnoxious is a new psychological term I've just coined specifically for Jordy).
> Not the first time you've tried to pass of your insults as "psychology". I think this is the perfect time for the perennial question:
> What the fuck is wrong with you, Michael Monkey?
> > > > How many AAPC members have repeatedly asked you to stop?
> > > Let's see: there's the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Buffoon: Team Monkey. The same three who like to repeatedly post that Jordy (being gay and Jewish) is a child molester -- without a thought for whether that's "considerate or not.
> > >
> > We've stopped the child molester posts several months ago, George. It hasn't caused "Jordy" to cut back on his obnoxious "Hello" posts in return.
> Yes, Michael, I know that -- remember, I spend most of my time hear looking for and reporting Team Monkey trolls. I also know why you stopped; it wasn't to be nice to Jordy, and it wasn't because you worked out an accommodation with him. Nor does it make you a "nice" person who deserves "consideration" -- you three are still throwing your monkey poo at him, this thread being a good example.
> > As for you accusatory implications: I'm Jewish, and I sincerely believe that "Jordy's" relationship with his nephew is... disturbing.
> Just as you believe all your real and imagined enemies, including not just me but my father, are child molesters. But, please: tell me that you've stopped calling my father that, so you're really a nice person after all.
> > > > How many times have we asked you to stop?
> > > You piss and moan about Jordy's posts almost as many times as you've called him a child molester. That's a lot of times.
> > As I've said, Jordy is worst troll here -- that is to say he's the most annoying.
> And as I've said, you're *the* worst troll here. Are you pretending to be Russian today?
> > And yes, I've asked him to stop many times over the course of the past few years.
> > > > If you wish to get along with others, you need to respect their wishes. You need to be considerate of them.
> > > That's all it takes to get along with Michael Monkey -- respect his wishes and be considerate of him. Of course, he'll still call you a child molester, but he'll be happier.
> > >
> > Again, we have stopped posting the "Jordy" poems several months ago. No one has been calling Jordy a "child molester" for some time now.
> Yes, you've stopped calling Jordy a child molester for now. Just as you've stopped calling my father a child molester for now. And you think that means we have to be nice to you? You're like a bedbug complaining about being squashed, when he wasn't biting anyone at the time. Fuck you: you're a bedbug, and squashing is all that you deserve.
> > I realize that you only come to AAPC when you're looking for a fight, but you really need to familiarize yourself with the current state of affairs before you go shooting your mouth off.
> Michael, I realize I don't post here all day long like you and your Chimp (great "jobs" you have to let you do that, BTW), but I'm familiar enough with the "current state of affairs". The Chimp's got cocky, now that he thinks you got rid of Zod, and is simply hoping to repeat the success with Jordy.
> > > The questions is: why the fuck does Michael Monkey think anyone would want to "get along" with a bedbug like him?
> > Oh, look! Jim just called Jordy a "begbug," so now George the second-hander is going to call everyone else one.
> Nice spelling lame, Michael; too bad "begbug" was your own invention. If you'd paid attention to the group, yourself, you'd note that I called your Ashtroll a piece of bedbug shit a week or so ago (with you being the bedbug whose shit he was). Stop trying to take credit for my lines -- it's as obnoxious as when you try to take credit for my poetry.
> > > > No one here would bother you if you stopped annoying everyone with your inconsiderate behavior.
> > > What a great deal for Jordy: Stop posting so much, so the Monkey and his flunkies are freed up to bother other people more. How could he refuse?
> > >
> > WTF is wrong with you, George Dance? No one would bother with *anyone* on your "team" if they weren't constantly trying to bury everyone else's conversations and poetry under a daily deluge of spam and nonsense.
> What I noted about Jordy applies to Will: if he just posted what you allowed him to, then you'd just find someone else to troll. It's an alt-group, and not everyone is going to pretend you're the moderator.
> > > > If you want peace, stop the "Hello" posts.
> > > That isn't going to help.
> > How would you know?
> > > > This is a poetry group, not your personal message board.
> > > So go post some poetry; stop whining and crying about what everyone else posts.
> > I've written and posted *five* new poems here this month.
> >
> > How many have you posted?
> As you know, I've given up posting any new poems here. That's why you and your flunky "colleague" have been digging up old poems of mine to troll those threads.
> > > > If you want peace, stop posting youtube links. We can all do our own internet searches for poetry that interests us.
> > > Of course you three aren't interested in any but your own "poetry." That's no reason for everyone else to stop posting or reading them.
> > >
> > I'm interested in *discussing* poetry, George. I've discussed many of the poems that you post on your blog with you.
> No, Michael; you've tried to draw me into discussions, but I'm no longer willing to help you pretend that you're anything but a troll. If you wish to pretend to be a literary critic, you have two flunkies (four, if you count your useful idiots, the Ashtroll and MEatpuppet) to "discuss" with. I'd suggest you look to them instead.
> > I'm not interested in reading famous poems of someone else's choice. If Jordy has something to say about those poems, I'd be delighted to discuss it with him. But posting links without comments is just annoying.
> For my part, I'd much rather read or listen to a poem than read or listen to someone else's "comments" about one. That's because I'm capable of understanding a poem on my own. I realize that's a hard concept for you to grasp, but there it is.
> >
> > You'd get more discussions about the poetry on your blog if you posted comments regarding it as well.
> See above. Just because I'd welcome discussions of the poems I post, doesn't mean I'd welcome trying to discuss them with you.
> > > > This is a "comments" group. If you have something to *say* about one of those poems, you link, we'd all be happy to learn your thoughts on it and discuss it with you.
> > > What makes you think Jordy, or anyone else, would want to "discuss" poetry with you three trolls?
> > Anyone who doesn't want to discuss poetry should not come to a poetry discussion group. Go to RAP. RAP is the perfect place for Jordy to post his uncommented on youtube links.
> Yes, Michael. I revived RAP as a place for that as a favor to you, remember? But, as someone who's been driven off both RAP and aapc by trolls in the past, I'm not going to enable such behavior on your part or your Chimp's. If Jordy wants to come to RAP, he's most welcome; but that's his choice, not yours, to make.
> > > > But posting links without comments is a wasted of everyone's time.
> > > "Wasted" is an adjective, Monkey; you're using it as a noun. Maybe Jordy can find some links to grammar pages for you; but, since you wouldn't read them either, that would be a "wasted" too.
> > >
> > It's just a typo, George.
> Yes, Michael: Whenever you or your flunkies make a spelling or grammar mistake, it's always "just a typo".
> > > > Respect the wishes of others, and they'll respect yours. Be considerate of others, and they'll be considerate in return.
> > > As someone who's tried that with the Monkey and the Chimp, I can assure Jordy that is not gonna happen. Notice that the Monkey's appealing to the same ethical rule (reciprocity) that he insists he doesn't have to follow.
> > >
> > That's a bald-faced lie, George. I've been behaving civilly to you for years.
> Oh, look, you called me a liar again. Do I really need to post how many times you've called me a liar, and a paranoid, and a piece of shit, and a plagiarist, and other examples of your "civil" behavior, in the past month alone? I've been doing that for years; now, I think, it's easier to just tell you to stop spewing your self-serving shit.
> > Note that I'm still addressing, and referring to, you as "George" -- in spite of your calling me a monkey.
> Whoop-de-do! I'm calling you "Michael," you stupid cunt. Want me to tell you how "civil" that makes me?
> > > > Right now, you are considered the worst troll in the group -- because you have the least to say. How many thousands of "Hello" posts have you made over the past few years?
> > > So, you call him a "troll". Why should he care?
> > I doubt he will. But he constantly pretends that he's a nice guy who just wants peace.
> >
> > Let's see if he really does.
> It's possible that Jordy thinks appeasement is the road to peace with you and your ilk; but I doubt he believes that any longer. As someone who tried the Neville Chamberlain thing with you, for years, I can assure him that it doesn't work.
> > > > Jim was tying to reason with you, just as I am trying to reason with you now.
> > > The Chimp was trolling him, just like you're trolling him.
> > Asking for peace is trolling?
> Since you're forgotten already, let's remind you of what your Chimp's comments in this thread:
> <quote>
> I find Dockery a wretched man, father husband and all around idiot. Dockery likes being abused.
> And I will abuse him. Accepting responsibility.
> The point is, you say we should have a group that gets along....having this in mind, you allow Dockery to say hello all day and night and respond, which enables us bad guys to give him what he wants.
> My comment was directed at you. You must know he buries all we have to say or all poetry we post, just to be at the top. You enable his idiotic behavior and help in the burying of those that would like to post poetry, something you do not do...You don't belong here, unless you feel you should enable Dockery to prove he is indeed the top asshole.
> Dockery likes being abused, I guess you do as well.
> So be it.
> </q>
>
> Keep pretending he was just "asking for peace".
> > WTF is wrong with you, George Dance?
> > > > You are not a scapegoat. You are the problem.
> > > You're trying the same victim-blaming as your Chimp.
> > Jordy is hardly a victim.
> >
> > Most of us find his "Hello" posts and blind links to be inconsiderate -- even rude -- behavior.
> I'm sure that all of your flunkies and idiots would say so, even those who don't read his posts, just because that's what you tell them. Of course, they'd also agree that you and the Chimp are not being inconsiderate and rude at all, but simply "asking for peace" -- so who gives a fuck what those four say?
> > > > Treat others as you'd like them to treat you in return. You'll be pleasantly surprised at the results.
> > > If it's anything like that happened to me when I tried it, the results will be: Jordy will post less, while the Monkey and the Chimp will keep trolling (or, as the Monkey calls it, "reasoning") as usual.
> > >
> > What do you think I've done to you, George?
> OMFG, Michael! If I wanted to chronicle what you've done in the past six years, I'd never end this post. Go back and read the archives that you keep pretending that you know so well.
> >
> > I treat you civilly even when you call me childish names.
> >
> > When you're behaving like a p.o.s., I'll tell you so. But the remedy for that is simply for you to not behave like a p.o.s.
> That's one. When I disagree with you when you're wrong (which you usually are), your normal response is to call me a piece of shit -- just like you call anyone anyone who disagrees with you a piece of shit.
> > Like I said, you're supposedly intelligent enough to know better.
> yes, Michael; I'm intelligent enough to know that, if I pretended to agree with you all the time, you wouldn't; after all, when was the last time you called your chimp or your buffoon a piece of shit? But, unlike those two, I'm also intelligent enough to realize that there's no reason to care what you call other people. And, judging by his past coments, I'm sure that Jordy is intelligent enough to realize the same thing.

Again, you nailed it, George.

[ME]

No he didn’t. Because there’s nothing intelligent about jordi’s uncle. He’s just an ass sucking perv.

[Will Dockery]

As if an ignorant troll like you would know.

🙂

[ME]

You know I’m not an ignorant troll, will.
That’s what has always scared you about ME.

And now, you’ve got Ash to deal with. So you know your days of bullying and running aapc are over.

But keep fooling yourself with delusional bullshit.
Let ME know how that’s working out for you.

[Ash Wurthing]

Lo7!
Yeah, I believe I plowed down his fence that he defined his world view of Usenet with-- so sorry whippin' fool.
Perhaps, he shoulda thought twice 'bout tanglin' with me over the comics...
Obviously he hasn't ever deal with someone like me-- I don't have all the things to lose, or the desires to try to fulfill or an demanding ego to be subservient to, like he does-- so I have nothing to lose here.

Ash, cousin to the Zaporozhian Cossacks, in response to the Columbus "Sultan"!
O sorry ass "sultan," Columbus devil and damned devil’s kith and kin, secretary to Lucifer himself. What the devil kind of knight are thou, that canst not slay a hedgehog with your naked arse? The devil shits, and your yes men eats. Thou shalt not, thou masturbator of your ego, make subjects of us- the captive audience. We have no fear of your troll posse, we will battle with thee.
Thou Georgian scullion, Dumlumbusian comix performer, spammer of Usenet, thread-slurper of AAPC, swineherder of Beat poetry, mule of unrepentant auto correct, veteran Losenet troll, catamite of noddery, lover of lot lizards, and fool of all the world and underworld, an idiot before Reality, grandiose imaginary victory claimer. Pig’s snout, mare’s arse, slaughterhouse cur, folk illiterate brow.

Morning Greetings, friends and enemies and those yet to become either!!!

[Ash Wurthing]

Yes, often you cannot ever substantiate anything you claim... you are that dense (1) to think that will convince anyone (2) that anyone will even pay attention to your empty words after too long.

I believe you know there's no one here to convince or fear them seeing your duplicity, so you're just here to drive anyone that doesn't accept your domination. Everyone else has left Dockery-- it's just your crew and the supposed gang of your enemies. RAP must has been a major flop for you huh? For you to devote so much effort to lord over everyone that remains here. How' your "AAPC" Farcebook with just your side of AAPC-- must not be very engaging since your here most of the day and night, every day.

You always attempt to pigeon hole me into some gang. But your deeds show your words to be hollow claims. With that cascade aimed at your foes, you and your goon squad were too much cowards to actually do it to them but me, who you knew you could gang up on since I operate alone.
If anything, your foes will be supporting me since you're always coming after me instead of them. So thank you for getting me reinforcements!

[Will Dockery]

That's what you were at Topix Forums, and that's what you've been since you stalked me here from there, ME.

And so it goes.

[W-Dockery]

I don't repost most of the lies and misrepresentations, if that's what you mean, but anything I claim can be verified by checking the archives.

> I believe you know there's no one here to convince

Absolutely not, I'm not here to convince anyone of anything, Ash.

No, why would you think rec.arts.poems would be a flop for me?

> You always attempt to pigeon hole me into some gang

That's what it looks like most of the time, but I don't expect you to agree with that.

> you're always coming after me

I don't "come after" you or anyone else, Ash. You continue to make posts to me and I respond to them.

HTH and HAND.

[Ash Wurthing]

Let me post all those passive aggressive bump posts of yours where you affirmed # George J Dance's attack on me on an attack thread based on a single simple error of attribution in one of my pieces, so to show every one your hypocrisy...
So unless Dance is a total hypocrite about his tit for tat ethic--
the "know all about" lame in that thread is awfully suspicious that it's a continuation of the comics laming that you three did for a year against me-- that was your attack upon me.

[Will Dockery]

No, you bragged about your comics, so I said let's see them.

A simple request that you have yet to manage to provide.

You brought the comics up, you bragged about knowing all about comics, so I simply said:

Show me.

HTH and HAND.

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...

Again, well put, Jordy.

[Ash Wurthing]

You have yet to prove that I bragged. In fact recently you were mentioning all of my bragging, like I was doing a lot of it. But when challenged, you couldn't post any proof. My one statement from a year ago hardly matches all the misrepresenting misquotes that you and your goons deliberately did to mock me as inferior to you Mr. Comics Who's Who. One statement compared to all flaunting of your work and that you're a Comics Who's Who. When I told you that I was only mentioning my work to let you know that you lost the chance to have someone to share a common interest with, you know what you said, he who accuses of bragging?
Will Dockery
May 15, 2021, 5:39:06 PM
Are you listed on the "Who's Who of American Comic Books 1928-1999", and if so, what name are you using, Ash?
I am:
https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/IuKNTT9c__0/m/3MiSsiqQCQAJ
Funny how Dunce attempts to lame me for a Shakespeare mistake like he's superior, but he couldn't even properly quote one simple statement I made without mangling it with maliciously twisted "paraphrasing."
If you weren't so full of your own braggadocio, you would had been able to read and understand that I only told you of my comics work to let you know that you blew your chance to see it.
Me telling you off and telling you what you cost yourself really must had stung that ego of yours for you to have to blow it so out of proportion so many times for over a year now.
I guess that you couldn't even understand Jordy's words about perspective and proportion that you keep bumping to lame other people but just laming yourself with the ignorance demonstrated by you doing it.
Keep it up sWilly, I love it, getting to mop up this shitsty with your sorry ass...

[Ash Wurthing]

Anyone here has the freedom of expression, including to criticize. Just because some spammers here think they're overlords of this dump that they help create with spamming, bumping and necrohumping to spam drown anyone else because they believe no one else has the right to criticize or express theirselves, who cannot accept what they don't want to hear-- criticism of what they're doing as well. And their narrative that their foes are taking a side, is just that- a self deluding narrative. The only way everyone is on a side against them is because they insist on making everyone their enemy by annoying them and fighting with them.

This is not the Columbus music scene stage, this is the World stage and you're no different than the rest of us, a no one unless elevated by others for what one provides to the others and the group environment.

[W-Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Sunday, May 28, 2023 at 8:55:29 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>> >
>> > how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...
>>
>> Again, well put, Jordy.

> Anyone here has the freedom of expression, including to criticize

And nobody is stopping them, are they?

🙂

[Ash Wurthing]

You keep demonizing it as trolling, lies and misrepresentations, which implies that you think I'm wrong and shouldn't be doing it.

[Will Dockery]

There is a difference between criticism and attack posts, Ash.

HTH and HAND

[W.Dockery]

Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:

> On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 10:57:39 PM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
>
>> how telling and insightful... the logic of the bully and abuser apparently, blaming scapegoats, denying and shifting responsibility for hideous behvaior... openly admitting to being abusive and bullying on a long term basis, yet basically implicitly contending that this abuse and bullying is not his fault or the fault of the other abusers, it is the fault of the person who is NOT being abusive, the person who is friends with the victim and gets along well with the victim... What a sad, nasty, mean spirited, petty example of human behavior, blaming scapegoats and shifting blame rather than accept responsibility...

>

> I find Dockery

You're an obsessed feeble-minded fuckwit, for starters, Senetto.

And so it goes.

[Ash Wurthing]

What's the matter cowardly jack ass-- you can't face my words so you go after someone else to try to get back at me?

[Will Dockery]

Not a thing, I made my point.

HTH and HAND.