Google Groups no longer supports new Usenet posts or subscriptions. Historical content remains viewable.
Dismiss
Jazz Poetry
709 views
Skip to first unread message
Zod
Jul 24, 2020, 7:50:04 PM7/24/20
to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
"I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
"I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
W.Dockery
Jul 25, 2020, 1:44:03 PM7/25/20
to
Zod wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This method produced some spectacular poetry.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Zod
Jul 25, 2020, 8:22:03 PM7/25/20
to
Message has been deleted
Michael Pendragon
Jul 29, 2020, 10:34:09 AM7/29/20
to
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 4:20:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> https://www.grin.com/document/12330
>
> "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... Sandburg’s most popular jazz related poem is “Jazz Fantasia”, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."
>
Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?
> On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> Check this out:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>
> https://www.grin.com/document/12330
>
> "Carl Sandburg was one of the first white writers who treated jazz in his poetry and is considered one of the pioneers of jazz related poetry... Sandburg’s most popular jazz related poem is “Jazz Fantasia”, included in Smoke and Steel (1920)..."
>
Are you saying that writing "jazz related poetry" is what makes one a "jazz poet"?
Jordy C
Jul 29, 2020, 11:02:47 AM7/29/20
to
On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I would imagine that jazz poetry is quite similar and interrelated to beatnik poetry...
>
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael Pendragon
Jul 29, 2020, 12:33:11 PM7/29/20
to
However, my question was regarding Will's juxtaposition of the quotes by Kerouac and about Sandburg (above).
I don't see any connection between them, other than that they both use the word "jazz."
Message has been deleted
W.Dockery
Jul 29, 2020, 5:12:03 PM7/29/20
to
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> > >
> > > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
>
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> > >
> > > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> > >
> > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> > I would imagine that jazz poetry is quite similar and interrelated to beatnik poetry...
>
> I have my own guesses as well.
>
> However, my question was regarding Will's juxtaposition of the quotes by Kerouac and about Sandburg (above).
>
> I don't see any connection between them, other than that they both use the word "jazz."
There's a connection between Carl Sandburg and Jack Kerouac (the Beat poets), and you're not going to like it.
>
> I have my own guesses as well.
>
> However, my question was regarding Will's juxtaposition of the quotes by Kerouac and about Sandburg (above).
>
> I don't see any connection between them, other than that they both use the word "jazz."
As John William Corrington writes:
http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
------------------------------------------------
"John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."
"Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he
…has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
-Scott C. Holstad
-----------------------------------------------------
;)
Zod
Jul 29, 2020, 8:28:02 PM7/29/20
to
Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> There's a connection between Carl Sandburg and Jack Kerouac (the Beat poets), and you're not going to like it.
> As John William Corrington writes:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> ------------------------------------------------
> "John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."
> "Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he
> …has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
> -Scott C. Holstad
> -----------------------------------------------------
Outstanding...!
> As John William Corrington writes:
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
> ------------------------------------------------
> "John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."
> "Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he
> …has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
> -Scott C. Holstad
> -----------------------------------------------------
Message has been deleted
Rocky
Jul 30, 2020, 8:24:04 PM7/30/20
to
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:08:51 AM8/1/20
to
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
> On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I would imagine that jazz poetry is quite similar and interrelated to beatnik poetry...
There's a definite connection, also with Word Jazz by such artists as Ken Nordine:
Ken Nordine - Word Jazz -- Sound Museum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_ETFQKZ31g
And so it goes.
;)
Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2020, 4:38:43 AM8/1/20
to
All you have offered us so far is that both contain the word "jazz" -- which explains why your google search turned it up.
Can you define "Word Jazz" and "jazz poetry" in your own words?
Can you provide your own explanations as to how they interrelate?
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 4:45:15 AM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:38:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> Can you define "Word Jazz" and "jazz poetry" in your own words?
Better than that, let a real jazz poet tell it:
>
> Can you define "Word Jazz" and "jazz poetry" in your own words?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
"I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
Michael Pendragon
Aug 1, 2020, 5:29:05 AM8/1/20
to
Your Kerouac quote only shows that Kerouac likes the image of a jazz musician and (possibly) uses some minor improvisations in his works.
Man up and speak your own mind.
Message has been deleted
Message has been deleted
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:00:13 AM8/1/20
to
I have no reason to explain anything to a troll like Pendragon, who is obviously rabid to start a flame war with me.
Besides, Kerouac explains it perfectly.
:)
Besides, Kerouac explains it perfectly.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:08:52 AM8/1/20
to
to him, specifically. You don’t even know him. The
only reason I can think of that you might want to
explain your thoughts in writing is the same reason
Kerouac explained his thoughts in writing, a deep
desire to write and be read. If you don’t want to, don’t.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:11:23 AM8/1/20
to
Jazz poetry was Kerouac's thing, so let him tell it.
I'm more of rock and roll poet.
:)
I'm more of rock and roll poet.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:18:12 AM8/1/20
to
to be a rock and roll poet as opposed to a jazz poet,
if you can, and are of such a mind to explain yourself.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:22:49 AM8/1/20
to
I write songs with various musical collaborators, usually adapting my poems to song form.
Thus, while some poets write in meter, I write with a rocking beat.
Beat poetry, you might call it.
:)
Thus, while some poets write in meter, I write with a rocking beat.
Beat poetry, you might call it.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:30:11 AM8/1/20
to
you with them. You’re not a Beat poet, although their influence is obvious.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:39:16 AM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:30:11 AM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:22:49 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I write songs with various musical collaborators, usually adapting my poems to song form.
> >
> > Thus, while some poets write in meter, I write with a rocking beat.
> >
> > Beat poetry, you might call it.
> >
> > :)
>
> ‘Beat poetry’ is already well defined
It was a joke, Corey.
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:22:49 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I write songs with various musical collaborators, usually adapting my poems to song form.
> >
> > Thus, while some poets write in meter, I write with a rocking beat.
> >
> > Beat poetry, you might call it.
> >
> > :)
>
> ‘Beat poetry’ is already well defined
;)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:42:10 AM8/1/20
to
Was post-editing my comment a joke too?
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:43:38 AM8/1/20
to
No, I just cut you off at your first mistake.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:51:00 AM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 6:43:38 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, I just cut you off at your first mistake.
>
> :)
Mistake seems a bit harsh, but if I made a mistake in understanding you,
> No, I just cut you off at your first mistake.
>
> :)
it’s only because you were inarticulate in expressing yourself in the first
place. I don’t see any reason for unnecessary discourtesy, but some do.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:56:52 AM8/1/20
to
There you go, blaming your own comprehension problems on the writer.
I made a joke that went over your head.
Get over it.
:)
I made a joke that went over your head.
Get over it.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 7:03:58 AM8/1/20
to
That makes me feel bad. I really don’t. I won’t
bother you anymore. Have a wonderful day.
W.Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 7:16:04 AM8/1/20
to
I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
I thought it was an obvious one.
:)
I thought it was an obvious one.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 7:26:36 AM8/1/20
to
I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
W.Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 7:32:04 AM8/1/20
to
I write poetry to a rock and roll beat.
Get it?
:)
Get it?
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 9:09:59 AM8/1/20
to
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 11:55:29 AM8/1/20
to
No worries, I enjoyed our conversation this morning.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 12:01:57 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 11:55:29 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No worries, I enjoyed our conversation this morning.
>
> :)
That makes one of us. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad you enjoyed yourself.
> No worries, I enjoyed our conversation this morning.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 12:47:21 PM8/1/20
to
I didn't correct your typo, so you can enjoy that, I'm sure.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:03:57 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 12:47:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I didn't correct your typo, so you can enjoy that, I'm sure.
>
> :)
Did I make a typo? Sorry about that.
> I didn't correct your typo, so you can enjoy that, I'm sure.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:06:52 PM8/1/20
to
No worries, we all make mistakes, sometimes, Corey.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:09:25 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:06:52 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No worries, we all make mistakes, sometimes, Corey.
>
> :)
I’ll take your word for it.
> No worries, we all make mistakes, sometimes, Corey.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:15:59 PM8/1/20
to
Read your posts and see for yourself.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:18:51 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:15:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Read your posts and see for yourself.
>
> :)
I don’t need to, but thanks.
> Read your posts and see for yourself.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:22:00 PM8/1/20
to
No, you don't need to do anything, but you can.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:23:47 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:22:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, you don't need to do anything, but you can.
>
> :)
I’d need a reason. I don’t have one.
> No, you don't need to do anything, but you can.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:29:37 PM8/1/20
to
One reason would be to correct your error to avoid confusion.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:36:41 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:29:37 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> One reason would be to correct your error to avoid confusion.
>
> :)
I’m sorry you were confused, but that’s no reason for me to go back now.
> One reason would be to correct your error to avoid confusion.
>
> :)
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:38:30 PM8/1/20
to
No, your typo makes YOU look confused, Corey.
:)
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 1:40:58 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 1:38:30 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, your typo makes YOU look confused, Corey.
>
> :)
Okay, so how does my typo/spelling error, whatever it may be, make
> No, your typo makes YOU look confused, Corey.
>
> :)
me look confused to you, and what do I appear confused about?
W.Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 1:46:04 PM8/1/20
to
Scroll up and see for yourself.
:)
:)
Message has been deleted
W.Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 3:52:04 PM8/1/20
to
HTH & HAND.
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 5:12:21 PM8/1/20
to
Message has been deleted
W.Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 5:24:04 PM8/1/20
to
:D
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 5:46:44 PM8/1/20
to
That would be bad. I’m glad you were amused.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:22:44 PM8/1/20
to
I said that someone could be confused, not that I was confused.
Get it, now?
:)
Get it, now?
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:31:55 PM8/1/20
to
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:40:30 PM8/1/20
to
I wasn't confused because I knew that you'd just made an error typing.
A casual reader could be confused by your mistake.
:)
A casual reader could be confused by your mistake.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:43:03 PM8/1/20
to
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 6:47:49 PM8/1/20
to
credit than you do.” I hope the casual reader wasn’t confused.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 6:57:27 PM8/1/20
to
No worries, I know you appreciate when someone points out your spelling mistakes.
You're welcome.
:)
You're welcome.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 7:17:30 PM8/1/20
to
That’s the important thing, apparently, and I’m sure
the casual readers appreciate your effort to prevent
said confusion even if I don't, for whatever reason.
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 7:31:21 PM8/1/20
to
No worries, Corey, we all fuck up sometimes, even you.
:)
:)
Rocky
Aug 1, 2020, 7:44:04 PM8/1/20
to
hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
>>
>> I thought it was an obvious one.
>>
>> :)
> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer..
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
>>
>> I thought it was an obvious one.
>>
>> :)
> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
Best poetry, Corey....?
> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
I didn't know you liked Doc's poetry that much....
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 7:48:10 PM8/1/20
to
Nobody is that stupid. I’m sorry you were confused.
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 1, 2020, 7:49:22 PM8/1/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:31:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No worries, Corey, we all fuck up sometimes, even you.
>
> :)
You were right. Your friend was confused.
> No worries, Corey, we all fuck up sometimes, even you.
>
> :)
Zod
Aug 1, 2020, 7:52:03 PM8/1/20
to
Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:38:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> Can you define "Word Jazz" and "jazz poetry" in your own words?
> Better than that, let a real jazz poet tell it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> :)
Old Jack said it all right there....
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 4:38:43 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> Can you define "Word Jazz" and "jazz poetry" in your own words?
> Better than that, let a real jazz poet tell it:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> :)
Old Jack said it all right there....
Will Dockery
Aug 1, 2020, 10:21:49 PM8/1/20
to
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2020, 4:55:43 AM8/2/20
to
mistake. Please give my apologies to your oh so confused friend for his confusion.
W.Dockery
Aug 2, 2020, 5:26:04 AM8/2/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:26:36 AM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
> >
> > I thought it was an obvious one.
> >
> > :)
>
> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
> >
> > I thought it was an obvious one.
> >
> > :)
>
> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 2, 2020, 5:32:54 AM8/2/20
to
W.Dockery
Aug 2, 2020, 5:36:04 AM8/2/20
to
;)
Will Dockery
Aug 2, 2020, 2:46:45 PM8/2/20
to
On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:52:03 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Let a real jazz poet tell it:
:)
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Let a real jazz poet tell it:
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>
> > :)
>
> Old Jack said it all right there....
He said just enough to inspire a new generation of poets.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>
> > :)
>
> Old Jack said it all right there....
:)
Zod
Aug 2, 2020, 8:30:13 PM8/2/20
to
W.Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> This method produced some spectacular poetry.
Yes it surely did...
> Zod wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Yes it surely did...
Rocky
Aug 3, 2020, 8:34:51 PM8/3/20
to
Will Dockery
Aug 4, 2020, 3:19:09 AM8/4/20
to
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, Jordy C wrote:
Yes, jazz was very influential to the Beat poets.
> On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
> I would imagine that jazz poetry is quite similar and interrelated to beatnik poetry...
>
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> >
> > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> >
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>
Yes, jazz was very influential to the Beat poets.
Rocky
Aug 4, 2020, 8:24:02 PM8/4/20
to
hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 10:21:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:49:22 PM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:31:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > No worries, Corey, we all fuck up sometimes, even you.
>> > >
>> > > :)
>> > You were right. Your friend was confused.
>>
>> Wrong... I simply pointed out your spelling error.
>>
>> :)
> I’m quite sure you were right. Your friend appeared very confused by my spelling
> mistake. Please give my apologies to your oh so confused friend for his confusion.
You seem to have it mixed up, Pastor Corey....
> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 10:21:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:49:22 PM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:31:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > No worries, Corey, we all fuck up sometimes, even you.
>> > >
>> > > :)
>> > You were right. Your friend was confused.
>>
>> Wrong... I simply pointed out your spelling error.
>>
>> :)
> I’m quite sure you were right. Your friend appeared very confused by my spelling
> mistake. Please give my apologies to your oh so confused friend for his confusion.
Will Dockery
Aug 5, 2020, 1:21:59 PM8/5/20
to
:)
Rocky
Aug 5, 2020, 8:18:03 PM8/5/20
to
Message has been deleted
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 4:42:54 AM8/6/20
to
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:37:33 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Ha ha ha....
>
> Corey wrote it, so what else cam I say?
>
> ;)
What else cam you say?
>
> Corey wrote it, so what else cam I say?
>
> ;)
What else cam you say?
Will Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 4:45:32 AM8/6/20
to
On Wednesday, August 5, 2020 at 8:18:03 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> W.Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:26:36 AM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> > I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
> >> >
> >> > I thought it was an obvious one.
> >> >
> >> > :)
> >>
> >> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
>
> > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
>
> Ha ha ha....
Corey wrote it, so what else can I say?
> W.Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:26:36 AM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Saturday, August 1, 2020 at 7:16:04 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> > I'm sorry you didn't get the joke, Corey.
> >> >
> >> > I thought it was an obvious one.
> >> >
> >> > :)
> >>
> >> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
>
> > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
>
> Ha ha ha....
;)
Will Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 4:46:29 AM8/6/20
to
> >
> > ;)
>
> What else cam you say?
Good morning, Corey.
> > ;)
>
> What else cam you say?
:)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 4:48:43 AM8/6/20
to
Will Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 4:57:12 AM8/6/20
to
On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 4:48:43 AM UTC-4, hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Good morning, Corey.
> >
> > :)
>
> What else cam you say?
>
> > Good morning, Corey.
> >
> > :)
>
> What else cam you say?
> > > > > >> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
> > > > > >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> > > > > >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> > > > > >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> > > > > >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
:)
> > > > > >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
> > > > > >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
> > > > > >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
> > > > > >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
> > > > >
> > > > > > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 4:58:48 AM8/6/20
to
W.Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 5:04:03 AM8/6/20
to
I will, thanks.
;)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 5:06:04 AM8/6/20
to
W.Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 5:10:05 AM8/6/20
to
For once we agree, Corey.
;)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 5:15:36 AM8/6/20
to
does not equal us agreeing on anything. It would be
nice if we did agree on something, but that’s not it.
That’s not how agreement is reached, but thanks.
W.Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 5:42:04 AM8/6/20
to
hierony...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 5:10:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
>> > > > > > > > > > >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
>> > > > > > > > > > >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
>> > > > > > > > > > >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
>> > > > > > > > > > >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
> On Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 5:10:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > >> The reference to Beat poetry was obvious. The joke, not so much.
>> > > > > > > > > > >> I completely missed the humor you intended, but then again, I wasn’t
>> > > > > > > > > > >> really looking for it either. I think I was expecting a more serious answer.
>> > > > > > > > > > >> I don’t know what you thought was funny about referring to what you do as
>> > > > > > > > > > >> ‘Best poetry’, but my sense of humor is obviously a lot different than yours.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > I do try to make each poem my "best", yes.
> Your agreement with half of my previous comment
> does not equal us agreeing on anything. It would be
> nice if we did agree on something, but that’s not it.
> That’s not how agreement is reached, but thanks.
I agree with you again, Corey.
> does not equal us agreeing on anything. It would be
> nice if we did agree on something, but that’s not it.
> That’s not how agreement is reached, but thanks.
;)
hierony...@gmail.com
Aug 6, 2020, 5:45:08 AM8/6/20
to
W.Dockery
Aug 6, 2020, 5:48:03 AM8/6/20
to
> Okay. Have a nice day.
Likewise to you, Corey.
;)
Zod
Aug 6, 2020, 8:28:03 PM8/6/20
to
Zod
Aug 14, 2020, 9:42:03 PM8/14/20
to
W.Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> Zod wrote:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
>> "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> This method produced some spectacular poetry.
Some of the best ever...
Rocky
Aug 16, 2020, 10:02:03 PM8/16/20
to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KkQiCMdMH4
Gil Scott-Heron - Johannesburg
Zod
Aug 17, 2020, 9:25:33 PM8/17/20
to
On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 2:12:03 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > However, my question was regarding Will's juxtaposition of the quotes by Kerouac and about Sandburg (above).
> >
> > I don't see any connection between them, other than that they both use the word "jazz."
>
> There's a connection between Carl Sandburg and Jack Kerouac (the Beat poets), and you're not going to like it.
>
> As John William Corrington writes:
>
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> "John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."
>
> "Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he
>
> …has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
> -Scott C. Holstad
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> ;)
Quite true...
> On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 12:33:11 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, July 29, 2020 at 11:02:47 AM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 24, 2020 at 7:50:04 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> > > >
> > > > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> >
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexico_City_Blues
> > > >
> > > > "I want to be considered a jazz poet, blowing a long blues in an afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> > > >
> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > > I would imagine that jazz poetry is quite similar and interrelated to beatnik poetry...
> >
> > I have my own guesses as well.
> >
> >
> > However, my question was regarding Will's juxtaposition of the quotes by Kerouac and about Sandburg (above).
> >
> > I don't see any connection between them, other than that they both use the word "jazz."
>
> There's a connection between Carl Sandburg and Jack Kerouac (the Beat poets), and you're not going to like it.
>
> As John William Corrington writes:
>
> http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems
>
> ------------------------------------------------
>
> "John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."
>
> "Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he
>
> …has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
> -Scott C. Holstad
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
>
> ;)
Quite true...
Will Dockery
Aug 18, 2020, 2:51:34 AM8/18/20
to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSOp507HJMA
"Of his 1981, three-part "Movie" poem, "B-Movie," poet and self-described bluesologist, Gil Scott-Heron said when he wrote the poem he was "armed with a bunch of words" and a "vague structure." This is quite a modest assessment of a poem that is the highest achievement for modern poetry, a triumph of poetry's "spoken word" tradition fused with music perfectly. It is literature as orchestra; the blues as the evening news..." -Brian Gilmore
It is loading more messages.
0 new messages