"A YEAF OF SUNDAYS" July 2023 Has Published!

[Michael Pendragon]

https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website

Thanks again to all who contributed.

[Michael Pendragon]

[NancyGene]

Fabulous! We are proud to be among those fine poets. AYoS has also attracted new poets!

We see that the painting is Julius Hoeppner's "A Midsummer Night’s Dream" (1888), which was part of a book:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/144628375320.
https://www.paulfosterbooks.com/pages/books/9014/shakespeare-william-nister/a-midsummer-nights-dream
https://www.invaluable.com/auction-lot/julius-hoeppner-a-midsummer-night-s-dream-illustr-122-c-d4d427999e
"Julius Hoeppner was a German illustrator who collaborated with the publisher Ernest Nister to create this book. 6 Lithographs included inside."

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

NancyGene has brought it to my attention that I misspelled "Year" in this thread's title.

Oops!

"A Year of Sundays" July 2023 issue has published as well.

[Ash Wurthing]

No prob, just a problem for charlatans claiming to be "real poets"-- a trigger for those obsesso tizziers who like to hypocritically henpeck over typos since they have nothing else goin' for them or a legacy to be concerned of...

[Michael Pendragon]

[George Dance]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
>
> Thanks again to all who contributed.

And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.

[George Dance]

On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 9:05:15 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:

> On Thursday, August 3, 2023 at 8:23:02 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 8:42:51 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> NancyGene has brought it to my attention that I misspelled "Year" in this thread's title.

And thank you for the admission that you need NastyGoon around to correct your own spelling mistakes, Mr. Monkey. This is getting funnier and funnier.

[Faraway Star]

A "Yeaf".... hilarious...

[George Dance]

You know, if the Bandar-Log hadn't spent the last week trolling non-stop about "errors" in the poems I'd blogged on PPB (all of turned out not to be on the poems or even on PPB), I would have let this go.

[Faraway Star]

Except NG's fave poets John Dunne and Mr. Stillings are still trying to find their way to London, Ireland... ha ha ha.

[George Dance]

BTW, Zod, since you're here: we need a topic for tomorrow's Dancehall, and it's your turn to pick one if you want.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:

It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce. Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.

[Michael Pendragon]

What rock have you been living under, Dunce?

I have always thanked NancyGene for correcting my AYoS pageproofs, as well as for catching errors in my poetry.

[Michael Pendragon]

Well, gee... I wouldn't want George Dance laughing at a typo that I pointed out! I guess that I and my fellow Bandar-Logians should leave his posts alone.

[General-Zod]

How about:

Isolation / Outsiders

?

[George Dance]

Works for me. I like "Outsiders". That immediately suggested the immortal "He's a Rebel"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZXwM8uS-d4

[Ash Wurthing]

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:40:07 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:15:57 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:04:46 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> >
> > > A "Yeaf".... hilarious...
> > You know, if the Bandar-Log hadn't spent the last week trolling non-stop about "errors" in the poems I'd blogged on PPB (all of turned out not to be on the poems or even on PPB), I would have let this go.

If the conspirabid Cankook was referring to Ash, it's just Dunce well deserved tat-- he shouldn't had been laming for insigfigant errors caused by widespread erroneous Internet sources-- what good for the Canadian Goose is good for the Gander and that's triple ought shot...

> Well, gee... I wouldn't want George Dance laughing at a typo that I pointed out! I guess that I and my fellow Bandar-Logians should leave his posts alone.

What's this Cankook crap about 'Bandar-Log'? Ash has been told to remind the Dunce of his hounds, they have a song...
The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets - The Sounds of Tindalos
(from the Hand Of Cthulhu)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9c3GPEtGZg
"Can you sense that we're here
You've got nothing to fear
It's alright
You'll be fine
As you're sucked back in time
Are the walls of the house fading in, fading out?
Are you near?
Are you far?
Can you tell where you are?
Are you trapped?
Are you free?
Simultaneously?
Can you see everything?"

So let us fire up tonight's dumpster fire sermon with the 'Coelacanthem'
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQfMXmvPNYA&list=PLWUxknf-6Eh3fywLqY0koi0ZodODqAzzj&index=25
Maybe the 'Math Song' would be more to all your tastes?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCuSzJ4XP80
Or the 'The Dukes of Alhazred '...

[Ash Wurthing]

Quick before Zod logs-- his very own song!
"Zod was a sailor
He sailed the seven seas
He made love to the fish
He made love to the fish
One glance was all it took
She gave him the Innsmouth look"
The Innsmouth Look · The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlW8KamiXAU
It has a killer opening riff

[George Dance]

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 5:38:10 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:40:07 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:15:57 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:04:46 PM UTC-4, Faraway Star wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> > >
> > > > A "Yeaf".... hilarious...
> > > You know, if the Bandar-Log hadn't spent the last week trolling non-stop about "errors" in the poems I'd blogged on PPB (all of turned out not to be on the poems or even on PPB), I would have let this go.
> If the conspirabid Cankook was referring to Ash, it's just Dunce well deserved tat-- he shouldn't had been laming for insigfigant errors caused by widespread erroneous Internet sources-- what good for the Canadian Goose is good for the Gander and that's triple ought shot...

No, it had nothing to do with you. The world doesn't revolve around you, either.

> > Well, gee... I wouldn't want George Dance laughing at a typo that I pointed out! I guess that I and my fellow Bandar-Logians should leave his posts alone.
> What's this Cankook crap about 'Bandar-Log'? Ash has been told to remind the Dunce of his hounds, they have a song...

I see you've found that through your own research, so I'll say no more here.

> The Darkest of the Hillside Thickets - The Sounds of Tindalos
> (from the Hand Of Cthulhu)
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9c3GPEtGZg
> "Can you sense that we're here
> You've got nothing to fear
> It's alright
> You'll be fine
> As you're sucked back in time
> Are the walls of the house fading in, fading out?
> Are you near?
> Are you far?
> Can you tell where you are?
> Are you trapped?
> Are you free?
> Simultaneously?
> Can you see everything?"
>
> So let us fire up tonight's dumpster fire sermon with the 'Coelacanthem'
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQfMXmvPNYA&list=PLWUxknf-6Eh3fywLqY0koi0ZodODqAzzj&index=25
> Maybe the 'Math Song' would be more to all your tastes?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCuSzJ4XP80
> Or the 'The Dukes of Alhazred '...

Here's a song back atcha. It's also a link to the Dancehall, should you choose to come over to RAP and play nice.

Rush - 2112 (IV): Presentation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=di3q2bQUCdM&list=PL_uEAOzPGnDEhTeCJ6mWSnczO5XI4ku2E&index=2

[Will Dockery]

That's the topic?

I have a few good ones, since being an outsider is pretty much the story of my life.

🙂

[George Dance]

On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > >
> > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.

> It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.

Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.

> Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.

If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time

[Faraway Star]

Quite interesting, going there in the near future...

[Ash Wurthing]

Some Sunday forebodings...

"Along the shore the cloud waves break,
The twin suns sink behind the lake,
The shadows lengthen
In Carcosa.

Strange is the night where black stars rise,
And strange moons circle through the skies,
But stranger still is
Lost Carcosa.

Songs that the Hyades shall sing,
Where flap the tatters of the King,
Must die unheard in
Dim Carcosa.

Song of my soul, my voice is dead,
Die thou, unsung, as tears unshed
Shall dry and die in
Lost Carcosa."
--'Cassilda's Song' (Act 1, Scene 2), "The King in Yellow", Robert W. Chambers

"Orgy of silence
Conspiracy of peace
Only the sound
Of the cold northern breeze
Twinsun sink fading
Behind the black lake
Asleep is the mountains
Yet the night is awake
Strange is the night
Now black stars rise
And many moons circle
Through silent the night"
--'A Fine Day to Die' (intro) ~~Bathory

“I cannot forget Carcosa where black stars hang in the heavens; where the shadows of men's thoughts lengthen in the afternoon, when the twin suns sink into the lake of Hali; and my mind will bear for ever the memory of the Pallid Mask. I pray God will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in its truth—a world which now trembles before the King in Yellow."
"Night fell and the hours dragged on, but still we murmured to each other of the King and the Pallid Mask, and midnight sounded from the misty spires in the fog-wrapped city. We spoke of Hastur and of Cassilda, while outside the fog rolled against the blank window-panes as the cloud waves roll and break on the shores of Hali."**
-- 'The King in Yellow' (**The Yellow Sign), Robert W. Chambers

"Beside the ruined abbey;
And its fingers white on the waters shake,
Like the quivering curls of a silver snake,
For the pale old moon it must keep its wake
In the dark clouds thick and shaggy!
The night-wind hath a moaning tone,
And it cometh moaning by ;
The Hart's-tongue on the ancient stone,
That years have crumbled, one by one,
Answereth-sometimes like a groan,
And sometimes like a sigh."
"Shadows here and shadows there,
Shadows shifting everywhere,
Very thin and very tall,
Moving, mingling on the wall
Till they make one shadow all!"
--'The Phantasma Goria', A. J. Requier

Languishing in the lonely latitude of Gwylleery
through withered vines the sinister wind slithers
and it is sworn that mournful words echo weary
lamenting waning hours while pallid Luna dithers...
~~AW

[Will Dockery]

Yes, it is just a reminder that we all make mistakes sometimes.

[Michael Pendragon]

Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?

[Michael Pendragon]

There are typos and there are mistakes that change the meaning of the statement one is trying to make in a humorous manner:

"Friends and family ate the best folks I know, Pendragon" is an example of a typo that turns a clichéd piece of sentimental tripe into an unintentionally hilarious accusation of cannibalism.

When you make typos of this sort, people are going to remember (and laugh at) them.

[George Dance]

> > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.

> Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?

You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe. But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.

https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog

[Will Dockery]

Look who's talking.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

Well, I stand corrected. You *can* be more of a petty little cunt.

[Faraway Star]

Penhead why do you seem to be in such a tizzy today..?

[Michael Pendragon]

How's the weather along the Chattahoochee, Stink? The collective stench from your fellow campers must be overwhelming this time of year. Do the firemen stop by to hose you off now and then?

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:48:41 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> > >
> > > > It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.
> > > Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.
> > > > Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.
> > > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.
> > Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?
> You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe.

Pendragon is a second hander, what should we expect?

But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.
>
> https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog

...

[Ash Wurthing]

Why do always lie while claiming to be superior over us "zeros,"-- you do exactly what you say "zeros" do so you do know what your very own words value you at?

George Dance
Aug 7, 2023, 9:56:06 AM (16 hours ago)
On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> George Dance is a leader of none.
"NG, your Monkey King is a leader of four zeroes. Do the math (4X0=?) and you'll realize that makes their support evenly matched."

###GeorgeJDance loses an argument in a tantrum of demonizing and dehumanizing character assassination...
NG says that he leads zero (no) people and he resorts to character assassination of third parties by calling them zeros (nothings, which is unrelated to him having zero (no) followers), rather than address the actual assertion being argued that he has no followers.
~ ~ ~ ~
"Character assassination is a special form of lashing out often done by individuals with symptoms of BPD. Character assassination is generally a reaction to feeling threatened by the target."
"When individuals with symptoms of BPD feel threatened by others, they may lash out by assassinating the character of those they feel threatened by. Character assassination involves repeated demeaning, and in some cases slanderous, statements and accusations, in the presence of others whenever possible."
"The function of character assassination is to attack the credibility of those that are perceived as a threat in an effort to neutralize them."
'Why Some People with BPD Engage in Character Assassination'
https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/my-side-of-the-couch/202302/borderline-personality-disorder-and-character-assassination
~ ~ ~ ~
"Abstract:
In the media, during sporting events, in online forums, and in interpersonal interactions, whites often portray Black people as animals, especially as APES or MONKEYS. In this essay we consider what contemporary research on prejudice in American politics has to say about these dehumanizing portrayals of Black people."
'Hiding in plain sight: Dehumanization as a foundation of white racial prejudice'
https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/soc4.12913

[Ash Wurthing]

Yep all Dunce cares about is the tat, but we already knew all about that!!!
Your typo obsesso troll posse already create laming threads for every typo they manage to catch, so who are you trying to fool Dunce? But I don't mind, I like you fools showing us that your words are hypocritical and worthless and only your side is allowed to make errors. The more troll threads you obsessively create, the better for me-- I'm here to pick the bones of Usenet "real poetry"...

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Will Dockery]

Good Rush selection.

[ME]

will, please don’t post on this, or any other AYOS thread.
You’ve got thousands of other threads to post on.
Please leave these (AYOS troll and donkey free.
TIA.

[George Dance]

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:47:11 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:48:41 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> > > >
> > > > > It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.
> > > > Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.
> > > > > Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.
> > > > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.
> > > Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?
> > You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe. But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.
>
> > https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog

> Why do always lie while claiming to be superior over us "zeros,"-- you do exactly what you say "zeros" do

No, Asstroll; I'm quite able to answer your cuntiness with equal cuntiness, and your Monkey King's bitchiness with equal bitchiness just fine, but as I've explained to you, there are differences. For one thing, your king and you followers are aggressors: you all like launching unprovoked attacks on people who haven't attacked you. For another, you're liars: you'll make up any "fact" and repeat any smear. Morally and ethically, you're less than zero; any person has to be presumptively counted as "superior" to you on that score.

> so you do know what your very own words value you at?

> George Dance
> Aug 7, 2023, 9:56:06 AM (16 hours ago)
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > George Dance is a leader of none.
> "NG, your Monkey King is a leader of four zeroes. Do the math (4X0=?) and you'll realize that makes their support evenly matched."
>
> ###GeorgeJDance loses an argument

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> in a tantrum of demonizing and dehumanizing character assassination...

And the #Asstroll again declares an imaginary victory, this time for a fellow Bandar-Log follower.

> NG says that he leads zero (no) people and he resorts to character assassination of third parties by calling them zeros (nothings, which is unrelated to him having zero (no) followers), rather than address the actual assertion being argued that he has no followers.

It's a stupid argument from your Bandar-Log crew, which has also pushed the conspiracy theory that I lead an imaginary "Team Donkey" that not only tries to run the group, but pays secret operatives to infiltrate it and pose as new members (which is the B-L excuse for constantly trying to drive newcomers away). That contradiction is enough to show you "people" don't even believe your own propaganda.

> "Character assassination is a special form of lashing out often done by individuals with symptoms of BPD. Character assassination is generally a reaction to feeling threatened by the target."
> "When individuals with symptoms of BPD feel threatened by others, they may lash out by assassinating the character of those they feel threatened by. Character assassination involves repeated demeaning, and in some cases slanderous, statements and accusations, in the presence of others whenever possible."
> "The function of character assassination is to attack the credibility of those that are perceived as a threat in an effort to neutralize them."
> 'Why Some People with BPD Engage in Character Assassination'
> https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/my-side-of-the-couch/202302/borderline-personality-disorder-and-character-assassination

Hmm ... that reminds me of the idiot arguing that it's "highly probable" did not write a poem that's attributed to him because "you are a known plagiarist, a pathological liar, a sloppy editor (to put it mildly), and a petty little cunt." Perhaps I'll copy it there. Or maybe I'll save it for a thread on one of your attempted character assassinations. In any case, I'm sure it will prove useful.

> ~ ~ ~ ~
> "Abstract:
> In the media, during sporting events, in online forums, and in interpersonal interactions, whites often portray Black people as animals, especially as APES or MONKEYS. In this essay we consider what contemporary research on prejudice in American politics has to say about these dehumanizing portrayals of Black people."
> 'Hiding in plain sight: Dehumanization as a foundation of white racial prejudice'
> https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/soc4.12913

Sorry, but your team's already played the race card years ago. Back when they were the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Baboon,G declared themselves "possibly black" and Baboon to be "possibly racist", so they became the Big Buffoon. That is in no way a "racist" nickname. Neither is yours, Asstroll.

[ME]

Pussy pants dance, the same goes for you: please stay off the AYOS threads. You’ve posted mega spam threads of your BS.
Post on them.

[Ash Wurthing]

I didn't say anything about my race, although you already tried to paint me as a White supremacist-- just based of a name that you say is fake (so amusing, the duncery!) to I was pointing out how you across to outsiders with your monkey label...
Good thing none of us have revealed anything personal here. Since my people are just a figment of my imagination, they are me and surely to be lumped in as monkeys along with anyone else daring to criticize you and your cash cow-- and we are mixed in race, gender and sexuality-- so you may be calling a nonwhite a monkey without even knowing it. To outsiders, especially after the false slurring us over being against transphobia (which made you look like you were siding with transphobes-- even more duncery!), you come across as being willing to resort to any lowly malicious deed...

But please, don't stop for us. Your deeds are so fitting for someone who will soon fade away-- probably already has lost any relevancy, and your legacy will just be a sad precautionary tale to us that will have the world in your absence...

PJR and Nietzsche tried to warn you-- better person,don''t become what you say is wrong...

[Michael Pendragon]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:15:39 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:47:11 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:48:41 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.
> > > > > Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.
> > > > > > Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.
> > > > > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.
> > > > Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?
> > > You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe. But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.
> >
> > > https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog
>
> > Why do always lie while claiming to be superior over us "zeros,"-- you do exactly what you say "zeros" do
> No, Asstroll; I'm quite able to answer your cuntiness with equal cuntiness, and your Monkey King's bitchiness with equal bitchiness just fine, but as I've explained to you, there are differences. For one thing, your king and you followers are aggressors: you all like launching unprovoked attacks on people who haven't attacked you.
>

As both Ash and I have explained to you, there are no "aggressors... launching unprovoked attacks."

What we have is a group of individuals caught up in a neverending cycle of titting one another's tats -- with each individual and/or group believing that the other is the aggressor.

The attacks have gone on for so many years, and have been carried over to so many threads that it is impossible to determine who threw the first tat -- or even to determine what, precisely, a "tat" is.

For instance, if I ask Will and Jordy (nicely) to cut back on their off-topic "hello" posts, and they respond by doubling down on their efforts, I consider that to be a very big "tat."

Will and Jordy, otoh, see it as a passive-aggressive protest against others telling them what they can and cannot do.

I, however, see this as a pair of trolls defiantly continuing to troll the group, and retaliate accordingly.

And around and around we go.

You do the same thing. In fact, you have proclaimed that "Tit for Tat" is a "system of ethics" that you adhere to at AAPC.

I've got a list of grievances against you a long as my arm (a gross understatement), and you've got equally as many against me.

Who threw the first punch? IIRC we first exchanged heated words when you defended Pickles, Ginsberg, and NAMBLA regarding their views on "age of consent."

I don't know if you were suffering from residual butthurt over these exchanges, but when you allowed Pickles to post poetry that directly attacked me in your short-lived revival of The Sunday Sampler, you crossed over a line after which any future attacks against you can only be seen as retaliatory "tits" on my part.

I later attempted to bury the hatchet, and spent several years attempting to intercede on your behalf in your ongoing fights with Jim, ME, NancyGene and others who you claim are on my "team."

And, once again, you crossed over a line when you falsely accused me of prejudicial editorial policies regarding AYoS, which publishes *every* poem submitted by *every* AAPC member (who hasn't gotten themselves banned). From that point on, I again perceive my attacks as nothing more than retaliatory "tits" for your initial, unprovoked offense.

Of course, you'll deny this, and claim that you are the victim -- and, judging by your exhibiting textbook symptoms of having a persecution complex, I have no doubt that you wholeheartedly believe yourself to be the victim in this case.

But why argue over it? You will always see it from your paranoid perspective, just as I will always see it for what it is. (I'm phrasing it in this manner, to show you what my perspective is. You, no doubt, will see it differently.)

We (AAPC as a group) have only two options regarding these endless fights; we can:

1) Recognize that both "sides" feel that they are in the right, and that the attacks from their opponents are entirely unprovoked; and work together on coming to a compromise that will allow them to interact civilly; or

2) Continue to play "Tit for Tat" (with each side believing that they are the ones being tatted), and remaining at one another's throats until Google pull the plug on its groups/Usenet is discontinued.

> For another, you're liars: you'll make up any "fact" and repeat any smear. Morally and ethically, you're less than zero; any
> person has to be presumptively counted as "superior" to you on that score.

Funny, but that's exactly how I see you and your Donkey, George. You rephrase anything we say into a twisted shadow of itself, and your Donkey post-edits our responses then claims that we are agreeing with him.

This, too, is an example of the neverending cycle of retaliations-for-retaliations that your "ethical system" of Tit for Tat creates.

> > so you do know what your very own words value you at?
>
> > George Dance
> > Aug 7, 2023, 9:56:06 AM (16 hours ago)
> > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:39:56 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > George Dance is a leader of none.
> > "NG, your Monkey King is a leader of four zeroes. Do the math (4X0=?) and you'll realize that makes their support evenly matched."
> >
> > ###GeorgeJDance loses an argument
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > in a tantrum of demonizing and dehumanizing character assassination...
> And the #Asstroll again declares an imaginary victory, this time for a fellow Bandar-Log follower.

Here we go again!

Ash accuses you of "demonizing and dehumanizing character assassination," which is something that he (and I) believe to be a part of your m.o.

You respond by attacking him (via childish name-calling).

An adult would try to see why Ash feels this way regarding your behavior, and would make whatever changes are necessary to correct for the bad impression one is making on his peers. If you think that you're so much better than the so-called "Bandar-Logs," why don't you try acting like an adult (as opposed to a petty little cunt)?

And, no, I'm not just calling you a "petty little cunt" because ME labeled you as such. A "petty little cunt" is someone who lashes out against others over a perceived slight (however small). IOW: He is a card-carrying proponent of "Tit for Tat."

> > NG says that he leads zero (no) people and he resorts to character assassination of third parties by calling them zeros (nothings, which is unrelated to him having zero (no) followers), rather than address the actual assertion being argued that he has no followers.
> It's a stupid argument from your Bandar-Log crew, which has also pushed the conspiracy theory that I lead an imaginary "Team Donkey" that not only tries to run the group, but pays secret operatives to infiltrate it and pose as new members (which is the B-L excuse for constantly trying to drive newcomers away). That contradiction is enough to show you "people" don't even believe your own propaganda.
>

That is not what we've said, George. Once again you have used your patented Dunce Logic to twist our words around into something that they do not mean.

1) No one has said that pay secret operatives to infiltrate the group. We all know that none of you has any money to speak of.

2) No one has said that you're trying to drive your friends/allies away. We are saying that you and your Donkey are dead-set on driving those who disagree with/dislike you from the group. You do this by inviting "friends" from non-poetry groups (Pickles, Jordy, Vinyl Cunt, & co.), and flooding the group with reciprocal slurps, pointless "hello" posts, OT discussions, etc. By doing this, you change AAPC from a poetry discussion group, to the equivalent of a personal Facebook -- thereby forcing those of us who wish to discuss poetry to seek out another forum.

> > "Character assassination is a special form of lashing out often done by individuals with symptoms of BPD. Character assassination is generally a reaction to feeling threatened by the target."
> > "When individuals with symptoms of BPD feel threatened by others, they may lash out by assassinating the character of those they feel threatened by. Character assassination involves repeated demeaning, and in some cases slanderous, statements and accusations, in the presence of others whenever possible."
> > "The function of character assassination is to attack the credibility of those that are perceived as a threat in an effort to neutralize them."
> > 'Why Some People with BPD Engage in Character Assassination'
> > https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/my-side-of-the-couch/202302/borderline-personality-disorder-and-character-assassination
> Hmm ... that reminds me of the idiot arguing that it's "highly probable" did not write a poem that's attributed to him because "you are a known plagiarist, a pathological liar, a sloppy editor (to put it mildly), and a petty little cunt." Perhaps I'll copy it there. Or maybe I'll save it for a thread on one of your attempted character assassinations. In any case, I'm sure it will prove useful.
>

And here you go again! This time you're titting Ash for one of my tats (although, from my perspective, it was a tit in retaliation for your having falsely accused me of editorial prejudice).

IOW: It's just Tit for Tat raising its ugly head again, to keep the venom circulating.

> > ~ ~ ~ ~
> > "Abstract:
> > In the media, during sporting events, in online forums, and in interpersonal interactions, whites often portray Black people as animals, especially as APES or MONKEYS. In this essay we consider what contemporary research on prejudice in American politics has to say about these dehumanizing portrayals of Black people."
> > 'Hiding in plain sight: Dehumanization as a foundation of white racial prejudice'
> > https://compass.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/soc4.12913
> Sorry, but your team's already played the race card years ago. Back when they were the Monkey, the Chimp, and the Big Baboon,G declared themselves "possibly black" and Baboon to be "possibly racist", so they became the Big Buffoon. That is in no way a "racist" nickname. Neither is yours, Asstroll.
>

You have no way of knowing what race any of us are, Dunce. And the use of words like "chimp" and "monkey" is racially insensitive at best.

When I was in college, I got in quite a bit of trouble for having used the word "monkeys" in a newspaper article. I had used the word to mean "stupid" or "foolish" people. I had cited Émile Borel's "Infinite Monkey Theorem" and noted that while there was never any shortage of monkeys on our campus, typewriters were as scarce as three-digit IQs. In accordance with my cultural experiences at the time, my use of "monkey" had no racial connotations whatsoever.

I was subsequently taught that words like "Monkey," "Ape," and "Chimp" are examples of what are known as "buzz-words" -- racially-charged words that will set off a negative reaction in people of color based on the connotations these words have acquired over years of having been employed as racial epithets and in depictions of African-Americans in racially demeaning cartoons, advertisements, etc.

Since you have no means of knowing which of the members of "Team Monkey" have African-American ancestry, you would be wise to limit your name-calling to words that are not racially-charged.

Better yet, you might try acting like an adult, working out a compromise that *everyone* can live with, and leave your "ethical system" of "Tit for Tat" on the playground where it belongs.

[Michael Pendragon]

No response, George?

I'm offering a plan for achieving peace at AAPC. Are you willing to put aside the childish doctrine of Tit for Tat, recognize that both sides feel that the other is the aggressor, and work toward making a compromise that is amenable to all concerned?

[General-Zod]

Thou hast nailed it, G.D.

[Michael Pendragon]

If you wish to participate in this thread, please comment on the poems that appeared in the July issue.

If you're here solely to slurp the Dunce's posts, your presence is not welcomed.

[Ash Wurthing]

On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 10:10:05 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, August 10, 2023 at 12:15:39 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 2:47:11 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 9:11:32 AM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 8:48:41 AM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
> > > > > > > > > https://mpsilvertone.wixsite.com/website
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
> > > > > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.
> > > > > > Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.
> > > > > > > Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.
> > > > > > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.
> > > > > Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?
> > > > You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe. But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.
> > >
> > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog
> >
> > > Why do always lie while claiming to be superior over us "zeros,"-- you do exactly what you say "zeros" do
> > No, Asstroll; I'm quite able to answer your cuntiness with equal cuntiness, and your Monkey King's bitchiness with equal bitchiness just fine, but as I've explained to you, there are differences. For one thing, your king and you followers are aggressors: you all like launching unprovoked attacks on people who haven't attacked you.
> >
> As both Ash and I have explained to you, there are no "aggressors... launching unprovoked attacks."
>
> What we have is a group of individuals caught up in a neverending cycle of titting one another's tats -- with each individual and/or group believing that the other is the aggressor.

George likes to Dunce brand his foes as monkeys, using Kipling, but poor Dunce in effort to be so highly literate, ignored the rest of Kipling-- as I alluded to in response to his cash cow self aggrandizing basked in New Age appropriation that his guide is the wolf:
"But the wildest of all the wild animals was the Cat. He walked by himself, and all places were alike to him."
--'Just So Stories' ~~Rudyard Kipling

> The attacks have gone on for so many years, and have been carried over to so many threads that it is impossible to determine who threw the first tat -- or even to determine what, precisely, a "tat" is.
>
> For instance, if I ask Will and Jordy (nicely) to cut back on their off-topic "hello" posts, and they respond by doubling down on their efforts, I consider that to be a very big "tat."
>
> Will and Jordy, otoh, see it as a passive-aggressive protest against others telling them what they can and cannot do.
>
> I, however, see this as a pair of trolls defiantly continuing to troll the group, and retaliate accordingly.

It is obvious-- outsiders say that they're acting like teenagers. And from the get go, when I tried to tell Will and Zod about people's opinion of what they see going on-- other than the fighting, they cited the selfish spamming for the attention, which is the main reason they wouldn't waste their time here and that they believe will keep the fighting going.
They're not interested in Jordy's concept of how this place should work-- he and he friends can have Usenet and they'll stay on social media and the modern Internet that has an audience and so many more opportunities...

[Ash Wurthing]

You didn't know? That's all Zod is good for-- to, as George and Will like to lame* because they know all about the lameness they project-- Will and Zod are useless for commenting on anyone's poems other than "slurping" his buddies work with cloying lip service nods and "slurping"* Dance's inane tirades.

And George likes to project his gang's m.o., that is obvious to all, upon his foes. His gang without fail supports each other every time, without fail; while the other side is not as constant in comparison.

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

Which social media platforms do you recommend?

The FB version of AYoS isn't turning into the Algonquin Round Table discussion forum that I'd hoped for.

Are there any existing platforms that focus on poetry discussion that you're familiar with?

[Michael Pendragon]

[Ash Wurthing]

Unfortunately, like with drive by posters and what I've seen with poetry blogs, too many poets are introverts and not the boldest or chattiest -- I believe it goes with the territory... Some, their voice is in their love to write and not in discussing the mechanics-- only a few's passion extends that far. So even with a good sized group, you're not going to get the kind of discussions like you would with a group of horror writers-- I've been among them and know how lively their discussions can get.
FB is losing it's shine to platforms like Twitter (now X- quite appropriate and possibly lookin' at it's demise)
(as you saw with the Amanda Gorman Florida situation, she was posting in Twitter IIRC)
and Instagram.

> Are there any existing platforms that focus on poetry discussion that you're familiar with?

Now, we use Discord for the ultimate platform-- but it doesn't have the fully open public visibility like FB or a forum-- you have to have a Discord account and know the name of the server/group, access is usually restricted to those granted access to the server-- they have troll problems like Usenet had, so not just anyone can posted without being vetted. Many Youtubers have Discord servers. They have a chat app layout but have threading and referenced responding to others, and multiple channels (sub groups) can be set up to reduce lumped together clutter like here. Problem is you don't have the ease of use of a newsgroup reader or email account. And there will be a learning curve for those not familiar with Discord.

I've also seen some of my associated go to Discourse, but never got around to getting familiar with it.


I can only think of a newer non-Usenet Group Group as a place for forum like discussions. It can be used with an email, preferably Google, account for ease and familiarity to Usenet users and control can be had to deal with problems.

[Ash Wurthing]

My previous answer may had strayed from your original question-- you want poetry discussion-- Reddit is the place has several active subreddits for poetry.

[Michael Pendragon]

Thanks, Ash. I'll check Reddit out over the weekend.

NOTE TO ANY LURKING DONKEYS: Don't get your hopes up, I'm not planning on leaving AAPC.

[Ash Wurthing]

You could set up a subreddit for AYoS

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[Michael Pendragon]

[NancyGene]

Reddit isn't user friendly.

[Michael Pendragon]

[General-Zod]

Ash Wurthing wrote:

>Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 3:55:52 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 3:35:42 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>> >> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 2:54:51 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>> > > >> On Wednesday, August 2, 2023 at 7:42:50 PM UTC-4, Michael Monkey aka "Michael Pendragon" wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks again to all who contributed.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > And thank you, Mr. Monkey, for letting us know about the title change, and for the chance to archive it.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > It would have been archived long before you responded to it, Dunce.

>> > > > > > > > > > Of course it was "archived" as soon as you posted it Mr.. Monkey. My reply was to ensure that it stays archived. The Bandar-Log has a nasty habit of deleting and memory-holing their typos (while amplifying those of their targets), and I'd like to see that asymmetry corrected.

>> > > > > > > > > > > Once again, one feels compelled to remind you that the world does not revolve about George Dance.
>> > > > > > > > > > If that means we're going to see multiple flame threads on aapc about your typo, too, then I can only say that it's about time.
>> > > > > > > > > Could you possibly be any more of a petty little cunt?
>> > > > > > > > You sound just like your MEatpuppet, asswipe. But to answer your question: Yes, I can do more to reach your level. For instance, like you I can have a colleague put up a screenshot.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > https://imgur.com/gallery/LxL4qog
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Why do always lie while claiming to be superior over us "zeros,"-- you do exactly what you say "zeros" do
>> > > > > > No, Asstroll; I'm quite able to answer your cuntiness with equal cuntiness, and your Monkey King's bitchiness with equal bitchiness just fine, but as I've explained to you, there are differences. For one thing, your king and you followers are aggressors: you all like launching unprovoked attacks on people who haven't attacked you.
>> > > > > >

>> > > > > As both Ash and I have explained to you, there are no "aggressors.... launching unprovoked attacks."

>> > > > >
>> > > > > What we have is a group of individuals caught up in a neverending cycle of titting one another's tats -- with each individual and/or group believing that the other is the aggressor.
>> > > > George likes to Dunce brand his foes as monkeys, using Kipling, but poor Dunce in effort to be so highly literate, ignored the rest of Kipling-- as I alluded to in response to his cash cow self aggrandizing basked in New Age appropriation that his guide is the wolf:
>> > > > "But the wildest of all the wild animals was the Cat. He walked by himself, and all places were alike to him."
>> > > > --'Just So Stories' ~~Rudyard Kipling
>> > > > > The attacks have gone on for so many years, and have been carried over to so many threads that it is impossible to determine who threw the first tat -- or even to determine what, precisely, a "tat" is.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > For instance, if I ask Will and Jordy (nicely) to cut back on their off-topic "hello" posts, and they respond by doubling down on their efforts, I consider that to be a very big "tat."
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Will and Jordy, otoh, see it as a passive-aggressive protest against others telling them what they can and cannot do.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I, however, see this as a pair of trolls defiantly continuing to troll the group, and retaliate accordingly.
>> > > > It is obvious-- outsiders say that they're acting like teenagers. And from the get go, when I tried to tell Will and Zod about people's opinion of what they see going on-- other than the fighting, they cited the selfish spamming for the attention, which is the main reason they wouldn't waste their time here and that they believe will keep the fighting going.

>> > > > They're not interested in Jordy's concept of how this place should work-- he and he friends can have Usenet and they'll stay on social media and the modern Internet that has an audience and so many more opportunities....

>> > > >
>> > > Which social media platforms do you recommend?
>> > >
>> > > The FB version of AYoS isn't turning into the Algonquin Round Table discussion forum that I'd hoped for.
>> > >
>> > > Are there any existing platforms that focus on poetry discussion that you're familiar with?
>> > My previous answer may had strayed from your original question-- you want poetry discussion-- Reddit is the place has several active subreddits for poetry.
>> >
>> Thanks, Ash. I'll check Reddit out over the weekend.
>>
>> NOTE TO ANY LURKING DONKEYS: Don't get your hopes up, I'm not planning on leaving AAPC.

> You could set up a subreddit for AYoS

I have tried Reddit and find it interesting at times...

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