PPB: April / William Carlos Williams

[George J. Dance]

Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
April, by William Carlos Williams

If you had come away with me
into another state
we had been quiet together.
But there the sun coming up
out of the nothing beyond the lake was
too low in the sky
[...]

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
#NationalPoetryMonth

[Will Dockery]

Excellent, one of the mentors of the Beat generation poets.

😀

[George J. Dance]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:53:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Excellent, one of the mentors of the Beat generation poets.
>
> 😀

That's a good way of looking at it. If Eliot's the main man behind modern academic verse (and he's pretty obviously seen that way), Williams has to be considered the man behind the "plain speech" tradition, of which the beats were the most successful in the 20th century, bar none.

[Will Dockery]

Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams, although I will have to brush up on my memory of Ginsberg's biography to remember the details.

[Chafetz Chayim benAvraham]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 9:42:29 AM UTC-7, George J. Dance wrote:

William Carlos Williams, 1958. Mina Loy, pp. 9-11 [unnumbered pages] IN: Mina Loy, 1958. Lunar Baedeker & time-tables. Selected poems (Jonathan Williams), 1-82 [unnumbered pages]

William Carlos Williams, 1968. The autobiography of William Carlos Williams (MacGibbon & Kee), 1-402

William Carlos Williams, 1978. A recognizable image: William Carlos Williams on art & artists [ed. Bram Dijkstra] (New Directions), 1-268
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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT


IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message
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There was a time when such a statement would lead toa month long flame
war...

:)

[George J. Dance]

True; there were probably just as many trollposts and flamewars then as now, but in those days at least some of them were "about the poetry."

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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While the current crop of trolls such as Brooke and "Me" are so stupid they
barely even know what a poem is.

:)

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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True that...

[Will Dockery]

Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams, although I will have

to brush up on my memory of Ginsberg's biography to remember the details. I
keep intending to get over that way but other things come agong, keeping me
busy.

[George J. Dance]

I think it's worth putting that information on aapc, if only because both Ginsberg and Williams are recurring subjects of interest here. So here's 3 paragraphs from the PPP article on Williams:

"One of his most notable contributions to American literature was his willingness to be a mentor for younger poets. Though Pound and Eliot may have been more lauded in their time, a number of important poets in the generations that followed were either personally tutored by Williams or pointed to Williams as a major influence. He had an especially significant influence on many of the American literary movements of the 1950s: poets of the Beat Generation, the San Francisco Renaissance, the Black Mountain school, and the New York School.

"He personally mentored Theodore Roethke, and Charles Olson, the latter instrumental in developing the poetry of the Black Mountain College which subsequently influenced many other poets. Robert Creeley and Denise Levertov, 2 other poets associated with Black Mountain, studied under Williams. Williams was friends with Kenneth Rexroth, the founder of the San Francisco Renaissance. A lecture Williams gave at Reed College was formative in inspiring 3 other important members of that Renaissance: Gary Snyder, Philip Whalen and Lew Welch.

"1 of Williams's most dynamic relationships as a mentor was with fellow New Jerseyite Allen Ginsberg. Ginsberg claimed that Williams essentially freed his poetic voice. Williams included several of Ginsberg's letters in Paterson, stating that 1 of them helped inspire the 5th section of that work. Williams also wrote introductions to 2 of Ginsberg's books, including Howl."

http://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/William_Carlos_Williams

[Will Dockery]

Thanks, George... for once, some actual poetry topic here... on a poetry group.

:)

[George J. Dance]

I'm glad you like, because I'm probably going to more of that. For one thing, I find I'm going back to the "Silent George" thing - reading things here, but just giving the discussions a pass, and spending the time working on the wiki instead.

For another, as you say, there's a lot of information on poetry on the wiki, which is there to be shared.

For a third, somewhat related, reason, there's been a pretty persistent disinformation campaign here about what's on the wiki, with the usual suspects calling that "personal attacks," "invasions of privacy," even "poetry" stolen from aapc members. I think it's time to start showing people exactly what the wiki is all about.

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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I'm with the plan to keep building and promoting the poetry Wiki, for sure.

Just don't stay totally silent, eh?

[Will Dockery]

"Chafetz Chayim benAvraham" wrote in message
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Thanks, Stephan...

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 May 2018 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT),

George J. Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:59:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams, although I will have
>> to brush up on my memory of Ginsberg's biography to remember the details. I
>> keep intending to get over that way but other things come agong, keeping me
>> busy.
>
> I think it's worth putting that information on aapc,

You "think" wrongly, Dunce.

<moronic babble snipped>



--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

[Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di]

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 2:34:26 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross babbles...

> You "think" wrongly, Dunce [sic]
>

Shalom & Boker tov, Peter...you don't know what you're talking about re: Reb Ginsberg and William Carlos Williams.
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[George J. Dance]

Indeed, Stephan. So let's put that information back on, and hope that PJ reads it this time:

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 5:56:11 PM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di wrote:

I do remember PJR has a dim view of Allen Ginsberg's poetry, I don't remember Peter ever giving his opinion on the poetry of W.C.W.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 May 2018 15:38:19 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery wrote:

> I do remember PJR has a dim view of Allen Ginsberg's poetry, I don't
> remember Peter ever giving his opinion on the poetry of W.C.W.

Nothing depends
upon

Dreckster's steal /
borrow

glazed by fire
water

snorting the white
powder.

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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WCW... now THIS is some modern poetry.

Pendragon... take notes.

:)

[Will Dockery]

"Peter J Ross" wrote in message news:slrnpfenf...@homeridae.org...

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 May 2018 07:53:43 -0700 (PDT),
George J. Dance wrote:

> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:59:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams, although I will
>> have
>> to brush up on my memory of Ginsberg's biography to remember the details.
>> I
>> keep intending to get over that way but other things come agong, keeping
>> me
>> busy.
>
> I think it's worth putting that information on aapc,

You "think"

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How's the English garden, Peter?

Growing potatoes by the score?

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

Not at all. Feel free to accuse WCW of having fathered the Beats with impunity. I certainly can't think any greater condemnation.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 4:59:14 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams,

That conjures up some particularly unsavory images.

[Will Dockery]

Your fantasy is noted, Pen...

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

:)

[Will Dockery]

WCW had an influence on the Beatniks, no doubt.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 2:10:49 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Your fantasy is noted, Pen...
>
> Not that there's anything wrong with that.

If you say so, Will.

[Will Dockery]

Sure... why would there be anything wrong with you having erotic fantasies
about Ginsberg and Williams, Pendragon?

That's your personal business, after all.

:)

[ME]

Desperate deflection noted and archived for the future, to show what a cowardly little pussy will is and always will be.

[Will Dockery]

Your post didn't make a lick of sense, "Me".

:)

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 4:18:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Your post didn't make a lick of sense, "Me".

Deflecting from the fact that the WCW-Ginsberg connection was your fantasy.

... or, perhaps, from your 34,872nd attempt to weasel out of meeting up with Jim.

[Will Dockery]

No, Pendragon, I didn't have any fantasy, I read the biographies.

[George J. Dance]

Only to those generally obsessed with such images, I'm sure.

[Will Dockery]

Whatever the image Pendragon had, he sure seemed to be slobbering over it.

😀

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
April, by William Carlos Williams

If you had come away with me
into another state
we had been quiet together.
But there the sun coming up
out of the nothing beyond the lake was
too low in the sky
[...]

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
#NationalPoetryMonth

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A shame Pendragon's homophobia taints his appreciation for classic modern
poetry.

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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Pen does seem to have gay sex on his mind a lot...

[Michael Pendragon]

You're the one who brought it up.

[Will Dockery]

No, I didn't bring up gay sex. You came up with that on your own, Pendragon.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, I didn't bring up gay sex. You came up with that on your own, Pendragon.

You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills, Will. Here's how it actually went down:

You wrote: "Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams,[sic]"

I replied: "That conjures up some particularly unsavory images."

To which you responded: "Your fantasy is noted, Pen... Not that there's anything wrong with that."

So, as everyone else here can plainly see, "gay sex" first entered the discussion with your introduction of the "Seinfeld" quote.

[Will Dockery]

Okay, I stand corrected.

Next question should be just what "unsavory images" would you get from two poets being friends?

https://pennyspoetry.wikia.com/wiki/William_Carlos_Williams

"One of Williams's most dynamic relationships as a mentor was with fellow New Jerseyite Allen Ginsberg. Ginsberg claimed that Williams essentially freed his poetic voice. Williams included several of Ginsberg's letters in Paterson, stating that 1 of them helped inspire the 5th section of that work. Williams also wrote introductions to 2 of Ginsberg's books, including Howl..."

[Michael Pendragon]

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 6:31:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 11:23:41 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > No, I didn't bring up gay sex. You came up with that on your own, Pendragon.
> >
> > You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills, Will. Here's how it actually went down:
> >
> > You wrote: "Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with Williams,[sic]"
> >
> > I replied: "That conjures up some particularly unsavory images."
> >
> > To which you responded: "Your fantasy is noted, Pen... Not that there's anything wrong with that."
> >
> > So, as everyone else here can plainly see, "gay sex" first entered the discussion with your introduction of the "Seinfeld" quote.
>
> Okay, I stand corrected.
>
> Next question should be just what "unsavory images" would you get from two poets being friends?
>

Oh, all sorts of horrible things. Dark, disturbing, creepy-crawly, and generally repulsive things. Nuremburg rallies, naked fatties playing marbles with severed eyeballs, decapitated space monkeys sharing peanut butter and poop sandwiches with Harlan Ellison ... you name it, it's in there.

[Will Dockery]

Okay, good answer.

:)

[George J. Dance]

As I said: "Only to those generally obsessed with such images, I'm sure."

[Will Dockery]

Pendragon wrote in message
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Actually, Jerry Seinfeld said that...

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

news:0d9fa04e-1852-49d8...@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:53:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Excellent, one of the mentors of the Beat generation poets.
>
> 😀

> That's a good way of looking at it. If Eliot's the main man behind modern
> academic verse (and he's pretty obviously seen that way), Williams has to
> be > considered the man behind the "plain speech" tradition, of which the
> beats were the most successful in the 20th century, bar none.

A simple chronology...

[George J. Dance]

Well, academics do that a lot; since a lot if not most of the poets of the last 100 years have been academics, I've noticed some of them trying to divide poetry into 2 traditions; but none of those match what I'd call the most important distinction - "heightened" vs. "plain" speech. On the other hand, Yvor Winters did that with the Renaissance, opposing the traditional, Italian-influenced canon with a "plain style" or "anti-Petrarchan" canon: Gascoigne, Raleigh, Nashe, Googe, and Turberville. Which looks like a good place to start.

Something I might write about one day; at least I can get the basic idea down here.

[Will Dockery]

It would make an interesting read, and timeline, the line to where, say, I am at follows a poetry path of the "right stuff", from Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Kipling, and Poe on into R. W. Service, Kemp and Dylan Thomas, on over with WCW and ee cummings (or Pound and Eliot), Ginsberg and the Beats, McKuen, Buk, Dylan and Cohen.

With dozens more in between...

[Michael Pendragon]

Your timeline's as culturally illiterate as its author. Poe predated Rimbaud, Baudelaire, and Kipling. Only Baudelaire was alive during Poe's lifetime, and he was 12 years Poe's junior.

A correct timeline would be Poe, Baudelaire, Rimbaud and Kipling.

[Will Dockery]

I didn't state my list was chronological, Pendragon, and George Dance will be actually writing the piece, not me.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 9:04:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I didn't state my list was chronological, Pendragon, and George Dance will be actually writing the piece, not me.
>

Do you understand that a "timeline" is, by definition, chronological?

[Will Dockery]

Yes, but I made a quick list, not a chronological timeline.

😀

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 9:18:16 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Yes, but I made a quick list, not a chronological timeline.

That, at least, is correct.

Here is your original statement (the one that I'd responded to):

"It would make an interesting read, and timeline, the line to where, say, I am at follows a poetry path of the "right stuff", from Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Kipling, and Poe on into R. W. Service, Kemp and Dylan Thomas, on over with WCW and ee cummings (or Pound and Eliot), Ginsberg and the Beats, McKuen, Buk, Dylan and Cohen."

You claim (in atrocious English, btw) that "the line ... follows a ... path ... from Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Kipling and Poe ... on [to] R. W. Service (et al.)."

The act of following a path (even a metaphorical one) necessitates a (in this case, chronological) progression.

[Will Dockery]

No, Pendragon, it was not a chronological timeline, just a quick list of poets that need to be covered.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 10:02:42 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, Pendragon, it was not a chronological timeline, just a quick list of poets that need to be covered.
>

No one is disputing that it was just a quick list of poets.

Your original statement, however, mistakenly claimed it to be both a "timeline" and a "path."

You obviously don't understand what a "timeline" is. You obviously don't understand what "following a path" means. You obviously have only the most basic understanding of the English language, as your constant misuses of it confirm.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, Pendragon, it was not a chronological timeline, just a quick list of poets that need to be covered.

DiarrhoeaLizard who cannot coherently write, and does not create but plunders on Youtube, is now posturing as a literati. He should realise PreparationH does not work on lips.
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Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
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IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark

[Will Dockery]

No, Pen, where you make your mistake here is that the timeline is something
George will write, not me.

I was simply tossing ideas on which poets should be included, not in any
specific order, as yet.

That's it, no argument to be had here.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 10:53:48 AM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> > No, Pendragon, it was not a chronological timeline, just a quick list of poets that need to be covered.
>
> DiarrhoeaLizard who cannot coherently write, and does not create but plunders on Youtube, is now posturing as a literati. He should realise PreparationH does not work on lips.
>

You've used that childish "PreparationH" taunt on several others as well. I strongly suggest that you return to the neighborhood playground, notebook in hand, and acquire some fresh material.

(Hopefully without getting yourself arrested in the process.)

[Michael Pendragon]

The only mistake was that expressed by your original statement.

With the clutter removed, you'd stated that "the line ... follows a ... path ... from Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Kipling and Poe ... on [to] R. W. Service (et al.)."

Regardless of who will be creating this timeline, the chronology is incorrect.

But let's look at your original statement in its entirety:

"It would make an interesting read, and timeline, the line to where, say, I am at follows a poetry path of the "right stuff", from Rimbaud, Baudelaire, Kipling, and Poe on into R. W. Service, Kemp and Dylan Thomas, on over with WCW and ee cummings (or Pound and Eliot), Ginsberg and the Beats, McKuen, Buk, Dylan and Cohen."

The portion which reads "and timeline, the line to where, say, I am at" clearly shows that you are referring to some timeline that *you* have either created, or that currently exists inside your head.

[Will Dockery]

I told you that it was simply a list of poets, not in any exact order.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 7:02:42 AM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:

> No, ************ it was not a chronological timeline, just a quick list of poets that need to be covered.

Shalom & Boker tov, Will...a quick note. One can never presume that DiarrhoeaLizard is capable of understanding that 'a quick list' is not 'a chronologiccal timeline', yet he wants to posture that you should have done a chronology. Since Diarrhoea cannot write, and is not a poet or artist, his stupidity is noted and archived.


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[Will Dockery]

I just quickly listed a few poets, in no specific order.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 2:22:27 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I told you that it was simply a list of poets, not in any exact order.

Yes, I know what you told me. However, that is not what you'd originally written.

I'm trying to raise your English skills to those of a second grader. Stop fighting it. You are in desperate need of such instruction.

[Will Dockery]

It was just a quick list, Pendragon.

😀

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:22:52 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> It was just a quick list, Pendragon.

No one is claiming others, you dumbass.

However, your original statement said that it was a timeline and that you were following a path from Rimbaud to Baudelaire to Kipling to Poe.

Your sentence said something different from what you'd intended to express. You can either acknowledge your mistake, learn from it, and improve your writing skills; or you can go on stamping your foot and whining about it, and spend the remainder of your life writing like an illiterate, backwoods welfare bum.

[Will Dockery]

Yes, he seems more desperate than usual, today.

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 3:48:14 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> However, your original statement said that it was a timeline and that you were following a path from Rimbaud to Baudelaire to Kipling to Poe.

I told you it was in no particular order yet, Pendragon.

[Michael Pendragon]

Keep stamping your foot, Will ... it won't change your original statement one little bit.

[Will Dockery]

I have no reason or intention of changing it, it was just a quick list.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I have no reason or intention of changing it, it was just a quick list.

Since it was just a randomly-ordered quick list, you should want your original statement to express that.

If you ever learn to express yourself properly, it would save you a great deal of time engaged in fruitless arguments, and would save you the embarrassment of showing yourself to be an even bigger idiot than even the most malicious of trolls would have deemed possible.

[Will Dockery]

Yes, it was a quick list, no posted to be picked apart for chronology.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 4:33:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Yes, it was a quick list, no posted to be picked apart for chronology.

Whatever. You were born a dumbass, illiterate, backwoods welfare bum, and you'll die a dumbass, illiterate, backwoods welfare bum. Rest in Peace, William "that's your upper lip you smell" Dockery.

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message
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On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:53:11 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Excellent, one of the mentors of the Beat generation poets.
>
> 😀

That's a good way of looking at it. If Eliot's the main man behind modern
academic verse (and he's pretty obviously seen that way), Williams has to be
considered the man behind the "plain speech" tradition, of which the beats
were the most successful in the 20th century, bar none.

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Here is where the idea of the list began, it seems.

[Will Dockery]

There you go, showing your status as a lying hypocrite again, Pendragon.

:)

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> Yes, it was a quick list, no posted to be picked apart for chronology.

As I have said, here and elsewhere, Will, DiarrhoeaDaemonPaedoLizard is profoundly mentally challenged...

[Will Dockery]

Yes, Stephan, sad but apparently, true.

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

"Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di" <stephanpi...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:83af2388-12dc-4e8e...@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, July 30, 2018 at 1:33:21 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Yes, it was a quick list, no posted to be picked apart for
>> chronology.
>
> As I have said, here and elsewhere, Will, DiarrhoeaDaemonPaedoLizard
> is profoundly mentally challenged...

Good work, Pendragon! He's unable to make up his mind which of the four
names he wants to use. See if you can push him to five.

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[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

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On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 10:34:55 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 6:31:27 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 11:23:41 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon
> > wrote:
> > > On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 9:47:48 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >
> > > > No, I didn't bring up gay sex. You came up with that on your own,
> > > > Pendragon.
> > >
> > > You really need to work on your reading comprehension skills, Will.
> > > Here's how it actually went down:
> > >
> > > You wrote: "Allen Ginsberg actually had connections with
> > > Williams,[sic]"
> > >
> > > I replied: "That conjures up some particularly unsavory images."
> > >
> > > To which you responded: "Your fantasy is noted, Pen... Not that
> > > there's anything wrong with that."
> > >
> > > So, as everyone else here can plainly see, "gay sex" first entered the
> > > discussion with your introduction of the "Seinfeld" quote.
> >
> > Okay, I stand corrected.
> >
> > Next question should be just what "unsavory images" would you get from
> > two poets being friends?
> >
>
> Oh, all sorts of horrible things. Dark, disturbing, creepy-crawly, and
> generally repulsive things. Nuremburg rallies, naked fatties playing
> marbles with severed eyeballs, decapitated space monkeys sharing peanut
> butter and poop sandwiches with Harlan Ellison ... you name it, it's in
> there.

> As I said: "Only to those generally obsessed with such images, I'm sure."

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And so it goes...

[Zod]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:42:29 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> April, by William Carlos Williams
>
> If you had come away with me
> into another state
> we had been quiet together.
> But there the sun coming up
> out of the nothing beyond the lake was
> too low in the sky
> [...]
>
> http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
> #NationalPoetryMonth

Good one.................

[Will Dockery]

Indeed, it is well established that William Carlos Williams is on the top level of modern poetry.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 4:41:00 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Indeed, it is well established that William Carlos Williams is on the top level of modern poetry.
>

WCW is a running joke in the Pendragon household.

[Will Dockery]

"George J. Dance" wrote in message

news:6bc3c747-7d5f-453d...@googlegroups.com...

Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
April, by William Carlos Williams

If you had come away with me
into another state
we had been quiet together.
But there the sun coming up
out of the nothing beyond the lake was
too low in the sky
[...]

http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
#NationalPoetryMonth

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Yet another modern poet that Michael Pendragon doesn't understand.

:)

[Good Time Charley]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 11:42:29 AM UTC-5, George J. Dance wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> April, by William Carlos Williams
>
> If you had come away with me
> into another state
> we had been quiet together.
> But there the sun coming up
> out of the nothing beyond the lake was
> too low in the sky
> [...]
>
> http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
> #NationalPoetryMonth

Fabuloous..............

[Will Dockery]

"Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di" wrote in message
news:42fd1748-64bb-4c39...@googlegroups.com...
> On Saturday, May 12, 2018 at 2:34:26 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross babbles...
>
>> You "think" wrongly, Dunce [sic]
>
> Shalom & Boker tov, Peter...you don't know what you're talking about re:
> Reb Ginsberg and William Carlos Williams.
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Poor Peter was so often wrong...

[General Zod]

On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 12:42:29 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> Today's poem on Penny's Poetry Blog
> April, by William Carlos Williams
>
> If you had come away with me
> into another state
> we had been quiet together.
> But there the sun coming up
> out of the nothing beyond the lake was
> too low in the sky
> [...]
>
> http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.ca/2018/04/april-william-carlos-williams.html
> #NationalPoetryMonth

Hard to top ole W.C.W.