Blogging "December"
George Dance
For those who don't want to click a link, I've copied the poem below.
For those who don't mind doing that, I urge you to click through to
see the amazing photo illustration by Torontonian Michael Gil.
http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-george-dance.html
December
Entire city ablaze
with lights of every colour,
to stave off the black.
George Dance
Will Dockery
The poem & photo, both splendid.
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> I recently blogged my tercet, "December", on The Betty Blog.
>
> For those who don't want to click a link, I've copied the poem below.
>
> For those who don't mind doing that, I urge you to click through to
> see the amazing photo illustration by Torontonian Michael Gil.
>
> http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-george-dance.html
>
>
> December
>
> Entire city
Cliché.
> ablaze
> with lights
Cliché.
> of every colour,
Cliché.
> to stave off
Cliché.
> the black.
Predictable.
Why are you completely incapable of writing an interesting poem?
(I'm assuming provisionally that you wrote the above; as a known
plagiarist you may well not have done.)
December
--------
The same invisible greyclad choir
of deaf contralto cats prolongs
your sleeplessness as mine, the same
streetbustle flute-and-bass for hire
twists glamours from your mind, and wrongs
frostwrite our footsteps with my name
as black as yours.
The intaglio pillars we believed
were tethering-posts for unicorns
are dreamed away by fog; the cold
unspeaking stars walk shoddy-sleeved
and hunched; no watchman moonlight scorns
thiefclouds that pocketed May-Day gold
we couldn't spend.
We lie as hares do, bundled down
to hideflesh flatness while our hearts
grow round and tight to meet the gun
next hunting. Damn this slushfoot town
of netpeek neighbours, tinselmarts
and icebars. Love, revive the Sun
and thaw the sky!
Written (by me) 2002-01-19.
Not to be represented as being a poem by George Dunce with or without
tiny alterations.
--
PJR :-)
Will Dockery
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> I recently blogged my tercet, "December", on The Betty Blog.
>
> > For those who don't want to click a link, I've copied the poem below.
>
> > For those who don't mind doing that, I urge you to click through to
> > see the amazing photo illustration by Torontonian Michael Gil.
>
> >http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-george-dance.html
<snip for brevity>
> a known plagiarist
Oh, Michael Cook is back?
--
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http://www.artemisrecords.net/dockeryconley.html
George Dance
> On Dec 11, 5:28 am, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Lights stave
> > night's blackness.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Cities ablaze in coloured lights yield no warmth,
> yet stave the night its darkest moments,
> and a darkest moment bathed in light
> cleanses it of its darkest remnants,
> leaving nothing but a light moment
> in a city ablaze in coloured light.
This reads almost like a triolet. You might enjoy having a try at
writing one of those:
"A triolet (pronounced /ˈtraɪ.əlɨt/ or US: /ˌtriː.əˈleɪ/) is a one
stanza poem of eight lines. Its rhyme scheme is ABaAabAB and often all
lines are in iambic tetrameter: the first, fourth and seventh lines
are identical, as are the second and final lines, thereby making the
initial and final couplets identical as well."
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike
License
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triolet
Will Dockery
> On Dec 13, 7:35 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Cities ablaze in coloured lights yield no warmth,
> > > yet stave the night its darkest moments,
> > > and a darkest moment bathed in light
> > > cleanses it of its darkest remnants,
> > > leaving nothing but a light moment
> > > in a city ablaze in coloured light.
>
> > This reads almost like a triolet. You might enjoy having a try at
> > writing one of those:
>
> at all, or that I would have even the slightest interest in trying to
> write 'one of those'. Excuse me. I know we're not close, but I
> certainly thought you knew me better than that.
You're not interested in learning and trying new things?
George Dance
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:26:18 -0800 (PST),
>
> > I recently blogged my tercet, "December", on The Betty Blog.
>
> > For those who don't want to click a link, I've copied the poem below.
>
> > For those who don't mind doing that, I urge you to click through to
> > see the amazing photo illustration by Torontonian Michael Gil.
>
> >http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-george-dance.html
>
>
>
> Cliché.
>
> Cliché.
>
> Cliché.
>
> Predictable.
>
You butchered every line, but thank you for commenting.
Will Dockery
And once again, PJR shows he's not really all that good at the
critique game.
--
Music & poetry by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
ggamble
Cythera
the black city
is black
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Butchers study, practise, and take pride in doing their work well.
Butchers are therefore much more like poets than you are.
> but thank you for commenting.
Look! Dunce has graduated from lies to mere insincerity!
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 3:39 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>>
>> December
>> --------
<...>
What, no critique, Dunce?
That's I shame. I'd have enjoyed laughing at your effort.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps I should have written:
"Now in *MY* opinion, which is *MINE*, and reminds *ME* of something
*I* think is funny that happened to *ME* here in Blottoville, this is,
to *ME*, a cliché, *I* think, and here's a link to *MY* website."
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 11, 7:00 am, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
<some dreck>
> This reads almost like a triolet.
Not to people who can read.
You forgot to burble cluelessly about Iambic Pentameter.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 13, 7:35 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > > Cities ablaze in coloured lights yield no warmth,
>> > > yet stave the night its darkest moments,
>> > > and a darkest moment bathed in light
>> > > cleanses it of its darkest remnants,
>> > > leaving nothing but a light moment
>> > > in a city ablaze in coloured light.
>>
>> > This reads almost like a triolet. You might enjoy having a try at
>> > writing one of those:
>>
>> Thank you, but I can't imagine you think your cut and paste informs me
>> at all, or that I would have even the slightest interest in trying to
>> write 'one of those'. Excuse me. I know we're not close, but I
>> certainly thought you knew me better than that.
>
> You're not interested in learning and trying new things?
Are you?
Feel free to attempt a triolet.
If you attempted any kind of poetry, it would certainly be an example
of "trying new things".
--
PJR :-)
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 7:51 pm, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 13, 7:35 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > > Cities ablaze in coloured lights yield no warmth,
> >> > > yet stave the night its darkest moments,
> >> > > and a darkest moment bathed in light
> >> > > cleanses it of its darkest remnants,
> >> > > leaving nothing but a light moment
> >> > > in a city ablaze in coloured light.
>
> >> > This reads almost like a triolet. You might enjoy having a try at
> >> > writing one of those:
>
> >> Thank you, but I can't imagine you think your cut and paste informs me
> >> at all, or that I would have even the slightest interest in trying to
> >> write 'one of those'. Excuse me. I know we're not close, but I
> >> certainly thought you knew me better than that.
>
> > You're not interested in learning and trying new things?
>
> Are you?
Of course, PJR, as I prove time after time... but you already knew
that.
--
Black Crow's Brother / Will Dockery & Gini Woolfolk:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxO1RAYTIFA
ggamble
On 16-Dec-2010, Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You're not interested in learning and trying new things?
> >
> > Are you?
>
> Of course, PJR, as I prove time after time... but you already knew
> that.
Are you going to try to write poetry at some point then?
George Dance
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:41:34 -0800 (PST),
>
> > On Dec 13, 3:39 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> December
> >> --------
>
> <...>
>
> What, no critique, Dunce?
You don't think I actually read it, did you?
>
> That's I shame.
George Dance
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:25:02 -0800 (PST),
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Dec 13, 3:39 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 10 Dec 2010 20:26:18 -0800 (PST),
>
> >> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >> > I recently blogged my tercet, "December", on The Betty Blog.
>
> >> > For those who don't want to click a link, I've copied the poem below.
>
> >> > For those who don't mind doing that, I urge you to click through to
> >> > see the amazing photo illustration by Torontonian Michael Gil.
>
> >> >http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/2010/12/december-george-dance.html
>
> >> Cliché.
>
> >> Cliché.
>
> >> Cliché.
>
> >> Cliché.
>
> >> Predictable.
>
> > You butchered every line,
>
> Butchers study, practise, and take pride in doing their work well.
OK, that is a reason not to use that metaphor for your action. How
about: You just tore it up like a little boy having a tantrum. Yes,
much better.
George Dance
>
> lit with every color
> the black city
> is black
I don't care for "the black city / is black." It reminds me of
"Batty's red hat ... is a hat that's red." Then again, you and PJ both
loved that, so the two of you might consider this to be great poetry,
too.
George Dance
> On Dec 13, 7:35 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Cities ablaze in coloured lights yield no warmth,
> > > yet stave the night its darkest moments,
> > > and a darkest moment bathed in light
> > > cleanses it of its darkest remnants,
> > > leaving nothing but a light moment
> > > in a city ablaze in coloured light.
>
> > This reads almost like a triolet. You might enjoy having a try at
> > writing one of those:
>
> at all, or that I would have even the slightest interest in trying to
> write 'one of those'.
Well, it looked to me like you were trying something different here,
using only a few lines, repeated, to achieve a certain effect. Poets
have been doing experiments like that for centures and some
combinations have been found to work better than others; those have
become standard form. The triolet is the standard form for what it
looked like you were trying to do here.
If you want to ever go beyond what you're doing now, then you'll have
to learn standard forms. But of course you may not want to go
anywhere; you may be perfectly content in the rut or groove you're now
in.
George Dance
Now, now, I'm sure that he and Cythera will agree that it was a
perfect little critique.
Cythera
> On Dec 14, 9:24 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > lit with every color
> > the black city
> > is black
>
> I don't care for "the black city / is black." It reminds me of
> "Batty's red hat ... is a hat that's red." Then again, you and PJ
You think about Peter a lot, don't you?
Do you imagine that he calls you on the phone?
George Dance
> On Dec 16, 10:27 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 14, 9:24 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > > lit with every color
> > > the black city
> > > is black
>
> > I don't care for "the black city / is black." It reminds me of
> > "Batty's red hat ... is a hat that's red." Then again, you and PJ
>
> You think about Peter a lot, don't you?
The two of you have been tag-trolling the group (including this
thread) a lot. If you don't want anyone here thinking about you, then
maybe you should rethink that.
Cythera
Now tell us about Shakespeare.
George Dance
Let's see ... The last thing I heard: you and PJ agreed that all
Shakespeare's plots were original. And, according to what you told me
today, if you agree, that makes it true.
(That may not be completely accurate, but it's certainly closer to the
truth than anything either of you two have written here in the past
week -- right?)
Will Dockery
Good luck, Gary, maybe your writers block is passing.
--
Poetry & Music of Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
George Dance
> forms are what I learned in school, before I developed what I do now.
> If you don't appreciate what I do now, that's fine. Allow that it
> might be a bit more complicated than it appears to you at first
> glance. If, irrespective of that, you find that you still just don't
> like the form of my work anyway. That's fine too. The line forms to
> your left. Please take a number. I think you're right behind
> Cythera. I was fortunate to have received a boat load of compliments
> on my work last night, so my ego can take a few rut worthy appraisals
> this morning.
Oh, no; I'm sorry, I wasn't saying I didn't like wht you do now. I
have a mixed reaction from day to day -- one I like, the next I'm
indifferent to, etc. -- which is what made me think that you were
experimenting. And I definitely see complexity in the word play; I
think I'm noticing only the tip of the iceberg there.
That's why I used 'rut' and 'groove' interchangeably; the only
difference being, one's positive, one's negative, and you pick the one
you're most comfortable with. Given your tale of last night (which I'm
glad went well), your writing does sound like a groove for now; so
let's leave it at that. The invitation to play with standard forms is
an open invitation.
i will add that I got nothing appealing from learning about standard
forms, in poem or book, myself; they taught us what the forms were,
but never why they were. It was Dennis Hammes who supplied the why:
that they were the result of centuries of experimentation. He didn't
use Burke's phrase, "The inherited wisdom of the past," but that's the
one that occurred to me.
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "c&c" wrote:
>
> > > If you could
> > > demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> > New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> > I generally
>
> blablabla
>
> You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
Not intentional, Corey... you asked, or rather stated:
"...If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new
poetic forms..."
And I responded with some facts to back up my statement about my habit
of trying new forms.
ggamble
On 16-Dec-2010, George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> If you want to ever go beyond what you're doing now, then you'll have
> to learn standard forms. But of course you may not want to go
> anywhere; you may be perfectly content in the rut or groove you're now
> in.
I find this to be hilarious coming from you.
Will Dockery
>George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > If you want to ever go beyond what you're doing now, then you'll have
> > to learn standard forms. But of course you may not want to go
> > anywhere; you may be perfectly content in the rut or groove you're now
> > in.
>
> I find this to be hilarious coming from you.
Have you written a poem this year, Gary?
Cythera
wrote:
> "ggamble" <g...@> wrote:
> >George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > If you want to ever go beyond what you're doing now, then you'll have
> > > to learn standard forms. But of course you may not want to go
> > > anywhere; you may be perfectly content in the rut or groove you're now
> > > in.
>
> > I find this to be hilarious coming from you.
>
> Have you written a poem this year, Gary?
You and George think about him a lot, don't you?
ggamble
On 17-Dec-2010, Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you written a poem this year, Gary?
Stop calling me Gary.
Have you ever written a poem, ever?
Have you ever answered a direct question?
I've written more poems this year than you've ever written in your lifetime.
Meat Plow
> On Dec 17, 11:57 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "c&c" wrote:
>>
>> > If you could
>> > demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>>
>> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>>
>> I generally
>
> blablabla
>
> You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
> Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
> talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses people,
> like me, off, if you care at all about such things.
Care? Certainly you jest.
--
Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a Pretty Corpse
ggamble
On 17-Dec-2010, Cythera <cyt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> You and George think about him a lot, don't you?
"I'm in their thought."
Barbara's Cat
> You really are a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
Sometimes?
--
Cm~
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "c&c" wrote:
>
>> > If you could demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
>> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
<snip for focus>
> Care? Certainly you jest.
Since by your own admission you've never written a poem or a song,
Meat, I don't see how you could pretend to care?
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Truck Stop Woman / Will Dockery & Henry Conley:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hv6u6GNe6Kk
Will Dockery
>
> You and George
You seem to think a lot about me and George, don't you, Cythera?
--
Music & poetry by Will Dockery & Friends:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Cythera
> Cythera said:
>
>
>
> > You and George
>
> You seem to think a lot about me and George, don't you, Cythera?
You wish.
Meat Plow
> Okay, since you decided to stick your big Meaty nose into this mess,
> I'll use you as a perfect example.
Get over your blowhard-self Corey.
<snip>
Meat Plow
> Get over my blowhard-self for me since I obviously haven't given you the
> slightest indication that I am capable, or possess the wherewithall to
> get over my blowhard-self on my own, silly snipper.
I think you are capable of getting over your own blowhard self. Your name
isn't Will Dockery after all.
<nothing to snip>
Meat Plow
> I can prove you wrong, and you know it.
Ok so you can't control yourself. Not a big deal since you are in the
company of the master of lack of self control and humility.
<snipabunchofshit>
Will Dockery
>c&c wrote:
> >Will Dockery wrote
>>>"c&c" wrote:
>
> >> > Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
> >> > talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses
> >> > people, like me, off, if you care at all about such things.
>
> >> Care? Certainly you jest.
>
> > Okay, since you decided to stick your big Meaty nose into this mess,
> > I'll use you as a perfect example.
>
> Get over your blowhard-self Corey.
>
> <snip>
Hmmm... what was that you were blabbering about people who <snip>,
Meat?
Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
"better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a
song?
> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
She Sleeps Tight / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uGY157cpiU
Meat Plow
> Exactly. Thank you. I couldn't have said it better. Have a great one.
You too. Give my regards to your mentor Dockery.
Meat Plow
> On Dec 17, 6:00 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>
> "No, YOU really the a self-absorbed, rude-assed prick sometimes, Will.
> Especially when you're afraid you have no idea what the fuck you're
> talking about, like now. Stop acting like ... that. It pisses people,
> like me, off, if you care at all about such things."
>
> God I hate it when you make me repeat nyself. It's not him, Will. It's
> you. He's real. You're just a real dick.
Your mentor Dockery has to learn when he takes a jab at someone he needs
to get out of the way of his own fist first.
Will Dockery
>
> Mentor is your word. If you've got words regarding mentor for
> Dockery, pass them on yourself. He obviously doen't listen to my
> blowhard-self
No, I definitely have taken note of quite a few good points you've
made over the years, man... we just rarely agree on many issues.
> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
> >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
<snip for focus>
> Dockery has to learn when he takes a jab
Not at all, just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Will Dockery
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> Cythera said:
>
> > > You and George
>
> > You seem to think a lot about me and George, don't you, Cythera?
>
> You wish.
No at all, but the fact is that 99% of your posts here are about
either "Will Dockery", "George Dance", or both of us, as this one was.
George Dance
>
> We rarely agree because you're a moron, too stupid
> and stubborn to humble yourself and admit when you're just plain
> wrong. It's really that simple.
This is worth keeping.
m@tt
> On Dec 17, 7:33 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Cythera said:
>
> > >"Will Dockery" wrote:
> > >> Cythera said:
>
> > > > > You and George
>
> > > > You seem to think a lot about me and George, don't you, Cythera?
>
> > > You wish.
>
> > No at all, but the fact is that 99% of your posts here are about
> > either "Will Dockery", "George Dance", or both of us, as this one was.
>
You can't know what she's feeling. I though we already covered
this the last time I claimed I knew what someone was 'thinking'.
Don't you remember your own bullshit?
: )
snip
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>
> But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
it turned out he'd never even written a song.
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
No, I'm not... these facts are archived, and discussed here often.
--
Red Lipped Stranger / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBhcN1WK144
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
> >"c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > >> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
> > > > >> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
> > > > >> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
> > > > >> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
> > > > >> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>
> > > > > But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> > > > Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> > > > having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> > > > it turned out he'd never even written a song.
>
The way this is going, it looks like I'll be repeating it again,
detail for detail, then, which is fine with me since I know my facts
and can prove them true.
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
<snip for focus>
> reflecting your Meatplow fable
*Yawn*.
Yeah, whatever.
Will Dockery
>
> *Yawn*.
> > Yeah, whatever.
>
> My sentiments exactly
For once we agree on something, then!
Now, to get back on-topic:
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Meat Plow
> On Dec 18, 2:59 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > > <snip for focus>
>>
>> > *Yawn*.
>> > > Yeah, whatever.
>>
>> > My sentiments exactly
>>
>> For once we agree on something, then!
>>
>> Now, to get back on-topic:
>
> Fuck you. You're not the topic here. Never were. You're not a poet
> because you hate poetry. You just want to be seen as a poet, because
> you think it a more romantic excuse for being and doing nothing with
> your life than just being the do nothing you are, so you cover yourself
> with turd words, words you think will impress, and pretend that you
> understand words like 'form', which anybody who can read sees, and by
> seeing knows that you haven't even the vaguest idea what you're mumbling
> about.
>
> I studied form; you didn't. The fact that I studied form is evident in
> everything I write to everyone who has studied form. You didn't study
> form; so you have no real idea what I'm writing about except to the
> extent that you saw a couple of smart people talking about forms once,
> and you decided to mimic them, ape like, thinking it would convince
> people that you were smart too. Will, you're not smart too because you
> didn't put the work in, and it's insulting to people who did put the
> work in that you treat the work with such disrespect.
Geez Corey take it easy.
Will Dockery
>
> You're not a poet
Thanks for giving your opinion, but the fact is I've written hundreds of
poems.
Here's a few from the archives:
Dream Tears:
http://tinyurl.com/2dtrb
Left Handed Summer:
http://tinyurl.com/29u63
Tuesday With Little Spain:
http://tinyurl.com/2295w
Shadowville Ballet:
http://tinyurl.com/23hza
Elephant Girl On Rankin:
http://tinyurl.com/2r7th
Opera Positions:
http://tinyurl.com/27kvm
Self Portrait:
http://tinyurl.com/36tcw
Combat Zone:
http://tinyurl.com/yvsbb
Looking Over The Bridge:
http://tinyurl.com/2b5ze
Mirror Twins:
http://tinyurl.com/2rj5t
Eating Rainbows For Breakfast:
http://tinyurl.com/34k5z
A Convolution In Her:
http://tinyurl.com/22von
Chapter One In This Compacted Book:
http://tinyurl.com/373u7
Spirit Song Horses:
http://tinyurl.com/2gdjx
Even As In Morning:
http://tinyurl.com/yqkap
Fawn Greyhound:
http://tinyurl.com/2xuyh
Ritual Memory:
http://tinyurl.com/24zdd
Skirt Of Printed Sunflowers:
http://tinyurl.com/22o7f
Retouched Evil:
http://tinyurl.com/27onq
Invasion Of The Warrior Lords:
http://tinyurl.com/3c4dz
Gold Like A Broken Ring:
http://tinyurl.com/2e9wp
Green Ringlets:
http://tinyurl.com/2yho6
Salt Ripple:
http://tinyurl.com/25632
And btw, thanks in advance.
"But, truly, I have wept too much! The Dawns are heartbreaking. Every
moon is atrocious and every sun bitter." -Arthur Rimbaud
Meat Plow
> Too much, huh? Sorry. I'm a little excitable today I suppose. Broken
> foot means I can't run, and I'm going stir crazy.
I'm not a Dockery 'hater.' While I find his lack of decorum and humility
abhorrent, I chalk it up to ignorance rather than subterfuge. He
certainly appears as having an agenda to shamelessly self-promote however
it's not necessarily evil.
Just sayin'
Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
70's.
Will Dockery
>
> Hope your broken foot mends soon. I know how it is to have such an injury
> having smashed my right foot and ankle in a Harley vs auto back in the
> 70's.
Yeah, here, too... in November 1978, the brakes failed on an electric hand
truck I was using at the mill, and it ran backwards over my right foot, as I
watched the foot snap all the way around backwards, then snap back. Ouch...
not a visual I enjoy replaying.
Will Dockery
>
> I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
> here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> Like I said, foot's already broke.
Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?
J Corey Connor
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
> > here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> > Like I said, foot's already broke.
>
> Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?
Don't even pretend to give a shit now. Fuch you; fuck off.
Will Dockery
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > I'm a junkie, and I need my endorphin/adrenaline cocktail. It's this
> > > here, or I jump out the window. I hoping you'd rather me not jump.
> > > Like I said, foot's already broke.
>
> > Sorry about your foot. How did that happen?
>
> Don't even pretend
To be such a self-proclaimed mystic seer, you sure aren't much of a
judge of sincerity, are you?
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
>
> -Will Dockery
>
> This later led to my development of a "newer" from, the Kristofferson
> Decima, but I digress...
--
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" wrote:
>>
>> If you could
>> demonstrate an interest in learning and trying new poetic forms
>
> New to /me/, but pretty ancient forms, really.
>
> I generally take a form and work with it for a period of weeks,
> months, and use it as best I can. In the past I've experimented with
> Decima, Haiku, Sestina and Sonnet forms, to name a few new to me at
> the time. Here's a Decima of mine:
>
> http://www.bookforumz.com/Dockeryftopic-39144-days0-orderasc-60.html
>
> Decima
>
> Decima, aim your rod to screen
> Film into the eyeless abyss
> To a level in lighted mist
> Tenth norn of afterimage dream
> Nests of ghosts in a webbed beam
> Glowing light child of Kaos string
> Nightswim bouncing and measuring
> A weird sister without anger.
Jesus
fuck
and a half!
I honestly assumed that even Dreckery could count up to ten.
Hint for Dreckery: the word "Décima" contains an etymological clue.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 2:16 am, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 10:57 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 17, 1:49 am, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > On Dec 16, 10:27 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>
>> > > > On Dec 14, 9:24 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>> > > > > lit with every color
>> > > > > the black city
>> > > > > is black
>>
>> > > > I don't care for "the black city / is black." It reminds me of
>> > > > "Batty's red hat ... is a hat that's red." Then again, you and PJ
>>
>> > > You think about Peter a lot, don't you?
>>
>> > The two of you have been tag-trolling the group (including this
>> > thread) a lot. If you don't want anyone here thinking about you, then
>> > maybe you should rethink that.
>>
>> Now tell us about Shakespeare.
>
> Let's see ... The last thing I heard: you and PJ agreed that all
> Shakespeare's plots were original.
Ooh, let's have Message-IDs for this claim!
> And, according to what you told me
> today, if you agree, that makes it true.
>
> (That may not be completely accurate, but it's certainly closer to the
> truth than anything either of you two have written here in the past
> week -- right?)
Did you study logic at school, Dunce? If you did, I think you may have
been holding the book upside down.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
Cythera <cyt...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 10:27 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Dec 14, 9:24 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > lit with every color
>> > the black city
>> > is black
>>
>> I don't care for "the black city / is black." It reminds me of
>> "Batty's red hat ... is a hat that's red." Then again, you and PJ
>
> You think about Peter a lot, don't you?
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that.
It's rather creepy, isn't it?
(Obviously, his attitude to every female poster in AAPC is even more
creepy, but the less obvious creepiness is also worth mentioning.)
> Do you imagine that he calls you on the phone?
Like his phone ever rings unless it's a debt-collector or a salesman.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> Could it be that Corey struck a nerve, since you probably were just
>>> indulging in a fantasy over these music-biz connections you have, kind
>>> of like when you were having fantasies of creating music that was
>>> "better" than mine, when it turned out you'd never even written a song?
>>> Just reminding you of the established facts, Meat Plow.
>>
>> But you didn't remind anybody of any "established facts"
>
> Yes I did, or at least those here who remember when Meat Plow was
> having fantasies of creating music that was "better" than mine, when
> it turned out he'd never even written a song.
Come off it, Dreckery. A tone-deaf man who tries to whistle Stairway
To Heaven in his bath creates music that's better than yours.
--
PJR :-)
Peter J Ross
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Dec 16, 1:49 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 13 Dec 2010 16:41:34 -0800 (PST),
>>
>> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> > On Dec 13, 3:39 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >> December
>> >> --------
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> What, no critique, Dunce?
>
> You don't think I actually read it, did you?
No. There were more than four lines, and some of the words had more
than six letter.
--
PJR :-)