"Fog" by Carl Sandburg

[Rocky]

Love his poem "The Fog":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0

"Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[Will Dockery]

Great choice, Zod.

[Zod]

A fave...

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 9:23:07 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> > > Love his poem "The Fog":
> > >
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> > >
> > > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>

> A fave...

It will stand as a masterpiece of simplicity.

[Zod]

I daresay I do agree...

[Zod]

Fine poem, an example for us all...

[W.Dockery]

I just read his poem "Muckers" yesterday.

Great stuff.

[Will Dockery]

https://www.bartleby.com/165/18.html

...

[Ted Schmedly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITwpVVObV4k

[W.Dockery]

Good video, Zod.

[W.Dockery]

Or I should say it deserves to.

[Zod]

Yes, enjoyed the C.S. poem called "Grass"...

[W.Dockery]

On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:54:03 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>
> Yes, enjoyed the C.S. poem called "Grass"...

Grass is a great poem, yes:


Grass by Carl Sandburg
https://www.shmoop.com/grass-carl-sandburg/analysis.html

[Zod]

Great essay...

[W.Dockery]

What's My Line? - Carl Sandburg; Milton Berle; Nick Adams [panel] (Sep 11, 1960)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkJ2-rP78TU&t=578s

MYSTERY GUEST: Carl Sandburg; Milton Berle

PANEL: Dorothy Kilgallen, Nick Adams, Arlene Francis, Bennett Cerf

[Zod]

Pretty cool...

[Zod]

My fave of Carl S.......

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:06:53 -0700 (PDT),

<creepy_mike>
Elaborate on what's great about it.
</creepy_mike>




--
PJR :-)

μεγάλη ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ὑπερισχύει.
- Esdras A 4.41

[Will Dockery]

I'm loving this one, which reminds me of someone I knew long ago:

Red-headed Restaurant Cashier / Carl Sandburg
https://www.bartleby.com/231/0219.html

[Will Dockery]

Jealous of Carl Sandburg much, PJR?

;)

[George J. Dance]

On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:

I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote and, for some reason, stuck into his "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock":

The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
And seeing that it was a soft October night,
Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:52:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> 'm not sure on the sates of the poems, but I take it that Sandburg's cam after Eliot's?

No, Will. Sandburg based it Eliot's poem *before* Eliot had written it.

[Will Dockery]

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:25:46 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
>

> I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote and, for some reason, stuck into his "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock":
>
> The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
> The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
> Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
> Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
> Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
> Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
> And seeing that it was a soft October night,
> Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

I'm not sure on the sates of the poems, but I take it that Sandburg's came after Eliot's?

(Typos fixed)

[Michael Pendragon]

Typos not fixed.

But even if you do manage to catch them all, it's still a ridiculous question.

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:04:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:25:46 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
>> >
>> > > Love his poem "The Fog":
>> > >
>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>> > >
>> > > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>> > >
>> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> > I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote and, for some reason, stuck into his "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock":
>> >
>> > The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
>> > The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
>> > Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
>> > Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
>> > Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
>> > Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
>> > And seeing that it was a soft October night,
>> > Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

>> I'm not sure on the dates of the poems, but I take it that Sandburg's came after Eliot's?

>>
>> (Typos fixed)


> Typos not fixed.

Typo laming noted, troll.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Don't be such a drama queen. I let the typos go the first time. It was only when you'd claimed to have fixed them that I pointed out your mistake.

[Will Dockery]

Nothing dramatic about calling a troll a troll.

[Zod]

Is there a back story on this, GD?

[Zod]

Good question...

[Will Dockery]

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:25:46 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
>
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote and, for some reason, stuck into his "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock":
>
> The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
> The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
> Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
> Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
> Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
> Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
> And seeing that it was a soft October night,
> Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

Reading a good essay on Sandburg:

---
https://www.csmonitor.com/1983/1123/112301.html

"Poetry is a series of explanations about life, fading off into horizons too swift for explanation," Sandburg wrote. His genius was the ability to pluck out of those horizons everyday things and people, and make them over into cultural archetypes. Symbols such as grass, a copper telephone wire, a harvest moon, a red headed girl,m took on universal meanings in Sandburg's affectionate eye..."

***

[Admiral Zod]

He might as well be since he will never match the Mighty Sandburg...

[Zod]

On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 4:36:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:

> True, not even close.

Yep...

[Will Dockery]

:)

[Zod]

Hate to say it, poor Peter tries so hard....

[George J. Dance]

> I'm not sure on the [d]ates of the poems, but I take it that Sandburg's came after Eliot's?
>
> (Typos fixed)

I'm still checking that out. I was going by the fact that "Prufrok" appeared in /Poetry/ in 1915, but I've found evidence that Sandburg had written "Fog" in 1914.

Sandburg published a suite of poems, "Chicago Poems," in /Poetry/, March 1914. "Fog" wasn't one of them. However, as I discovered (in Penny's Poetry Pages, of all places), Harriet Monroe mentions "Fog" in her comments on poems she did publish:

"I remember the emotion with which I first read many of these poems ... That first conviction of beauty and power returns to me as I read them again. This is speech torn out of the heart, because the loveliness of ... a fog coming on "little cat feet,"—the incommunicable loveliness of the earth, of life—is too keen to be borne "

So Sandburg's poem was written by 1914. OTOH, Eliot began writing "Prufrock" in 1910, and I wasn't able to find a date for when he'd written the "yellow fog" strophe.


"

[George J. Dance]

Sandburg told an interesting story about "Fog"; Penny's Poetry Pages has the scoop: "At a time when he was carrying a book of Japanese "Haiku", he went to interview a juvenile court judge, and he had cut through Grant Park and saw the fog over Chicago harbor. He had certainly seen many Chicago fogs before, but this time he had to wait forty minutes for the judge, and he only had a piece of newsprint handy, so he decided to create an "American Haiku".[1]

[Will Dockery]

Interesting, American Haiku a full forty years before Jack Kerouac's.

[Michael Pendragon]

Will Donkey suddenly realizes that poetry existed long before the beatniks.

[Will Dockery]

> poetry existed long before the beatniks

It is well known that Carl Sandburg led the way for Beat poetry:

http://www.ashevillepoetryreview.com/2004/issue-14/carl-sandburg-chicago-poems

------------------------------------------------

"John William Corrington argues that Bukowski has done for the American vernacular, 'what William Carlos Williams claimed to have done'. While his use of American working class idiom and his focus on non-traditional subject matter makes him a natural heir to poets intent upon stripping away literary pretense — poets such as Williams, and later Ginsburg and the Beats — Bukowski owes a debt of thanks, instead, to another poet: the often critically overlooked Carl Sandburg. Like Bukowski, Sandburg’s poetry is raw, his subject matter is the common man and his colloquial narrative style makes Sandburg one of the most uniquely American poets of the Modernist period..."

"Of the poet Charles Bukowski, John William Corrington suggests that he

…has replaced the formal, frequently stilted diction of the Pound-Eliot-Auden days with a language devoid of the affectations, devices, and mannerisms that have taken over academic verse and packed the university and commercial quarterlies with imitations of Pound and others. Without theorizing, without plans or school or manifestos. Bukowski has begun the long awaited return to a poetic language free of literary pretense and supple enough to adapt itself to whatever matter he chooses to handle..."
-Scott C. Holstad

-----------------------------------------------------

:)

[Zod]

Interesting past back story....

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery wrote:

> Jealous of Carl Sandburg much, PJR?

No. Who could envy an incompetent poetaster?

Are you trying to read the poems of John Donne, which you claimed
recently to have bought?

IIRC, I told you that, if you ever learned how to read and wanted to
study a poet to imitate, you should study not Donne but Pope.

I now have an even better idea: After learning to read, study not Pope
but Crabbe. His verse is almost as correct as Pope's, and you'll enjoy
his sympathy with the indigent and feckless more than you'll enjoy
Pope's social climbing.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 8 Sep 2020 18:13:50 -0700 (PDT),

Zod wrote:

> On Tuesday, September 8, 2020 at 4:36:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Admiral Zod wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:17:34 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Jealous of Carl Sandburg much, PJR?
>>

>> > He might as well be since he will never match the Mighty Sandburg...
>>
>> True, not even close.
>
> Yep...

Mutually masturbate much, kooks?

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:25:45 -0700 (PDT),

George J. Dance wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
>> Love his poem "The Fog":
>

> I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea
> from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote

Similarly, Edmund Spenser took the idea of the Spenserian Stanza from
John Keats.

[W.Dockery]

Thanks, PJR, I'll look for books by these two poets.

[Zod]

Good choices...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-8BiMYMl0

************Welcome to my channel ELS (English Literature Studies).Today’s video is about George Crabbe as a Transition poet.He is also known as one of the Precursor of the Romantic Movement****************

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:11:55 -0700 (PDT),

Zod wrote:

> On Friday, September 11, 2020 at 3:55:47 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross
> wrote:
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 6 Sep 2020 13:17:33 -0700
>> (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > Jealous of Carl Sandburg much, PJR?
>>
>> No. Who could envy an incompetent poetaster?
>>
>> Are you trying to read the poems of John Donne, which you claimed
>> recently to have bought?
>>
>> IIRC, I told you that, if you ever learned how to read and wanted
>> to study a poet to imitate, you should study not Donne but Pope.
>>
>> I now have an even better idea: After learning to read, study not
>> Pope but Crabbe. His verse is almost as correct as Pope's, and
>> you'll enjoy his sympathy with the indigent and feckless more than
>> you'll enjoy Pope's social climbing.
>

> Good choices...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ab-8BiMYMl0
>
> ************Welcome to my channel ELS (English Literature
> Studies).Today’s video is about George Crabbe as a Transition
> poet.He is also known as one of the Precursor of the Romantic
> Movement****************

People who share my contempt for the ~Romantic Movement~ may prefer to
think of Crabbe as one of the last Augustans.

As "English Literature Studies ELS" says, Cowper, Thomson and
Goldsmith are also worth reading. But it's unfair to describe any of
the four as "transitional". Even at their worst, they're not as bad as
the poets of the ~Romantic Movement~, and at their best they're very
good indeed.

Your homework for this week, Plod, is in two parts.

1. Spend a few years learning to read.

2. Read Thomson's "Seasons", Goldsmith's "Deserted Village" and as
much Cowper and Crabbe as you can find.

[W.Dockery]

Good find, Zod.

[W.Dockery]

I'm taking notes.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2020 17:53:38 +0000,

It's possible that Plod is able to spend a few years learning to read.

You, OTOH... nah.

[Will Dockery]

Okay, I'll just stick with Carl Sandburg and the Beat poets, then.

;)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2020 12:46:21 -0700 (PDT),

> Okay, I'll just stick with Carl Sandburg and the Beat poets, then.

Colour me unsurprised.

[Will Dockery]

Yes, I have the complete Carl Sandburg to finish, and after that, John Donne, so I have plenty of poetry to keep me busy for a while.

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

Peter J Ross <peadar...@gmail.com> wrote in
news:slrnrlq9oj.1cq...@id-313441.user.individual.net:

I think he's too busy being trolled by Benders.

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"I am not in the habit of calling anyone stupid or inferring that they
are stupid, because I'm not overly bright myself." - Raytard Murphy
shows his grasp of the blindingly obvious.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 12 Sep 2020 20:43:31 +0000 (UTC),

I think he's too busy being trolled by soap.

[Cujo DeSockpuppet]

Peter J Ross <peadar...@gmail.com> wrote in

news:slrnrlqelr.1cq...@id-313441.user.individual.net:

I think he's too busy being trolled by the English language.

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"Nutrinos (sic) are one of the key understanding to this idea. This is
how most aliens traverse the multiverse at this time." - Edmo on a full
delusional ride in his own created reality.

[Will Dockery]

I see you're still stuck 16 years in the past.

:)

[Zod]

W.Dockery wrote:

> Ted Schmedly wrote:

>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 1:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>>> Rocky wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Love his poem "The Fog":
>>>

>>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>>>
>>> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>>>
>>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>>> I just read his poem "Muckers" yesterday.
>>>
>>> Great stuff.

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITwpVVObV4k

> Good video, Zod.

Agreed....

[W.Dockery]

Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone of the Beat Generation to come.

:)

[Admiral Zod]

Interesting... T.S. Eliot had the famous quote about borrowing and stealing from great artists, correct...?

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,

W.Dockery wrote:

> Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
> of the Beat Generation to come.

Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".

That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.

[Zod]

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 5:51:31 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 10:50:03 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Love his poem "The Fog":
> > >>
> > >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> > >>
> > >> "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> > >>
> > >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >

> > > Great choice, Zod.
> >
> > My fave of Carl S.......
>
> I'm loving this one, which reminds me of someone I knew long ago:
>
> Red-headed Restaurant Cashier / Carl Sandburg
> https://www.bartleby.com/231/0219.html

A great one...

[Zod]

On Tuesday, August 18, 2020 at 4:28:45 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 9:23:07 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >
> > > > Love his poem "The Fog":
> > > >
> > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> > > >
> > > > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >

> > A fave...
>
> It will stand as a masterpiece of simplicity.

Indeed so...

[Zod]

You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the gianta of poetry...

[Zod]

I like some of that John Donne poetry...

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT),

Zod wrote:

> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:19:38 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,
>> W.Dockery wrote:
>>
>> > Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
>> > of the Beat Generation to come.
>>
>> Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
>> blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".
>>
>> That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.
>

> You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the gianta of poetry...

Says somebody who thinks that Will Dreckery is one of the gianta of
poetry.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 24 Sep 2020 18:43:20 -0700 (PDT),

Zod wrote:

> I like some of that John Donne poetry...

Which if his poems do you like, and what do you like about them?

[W.Dockery]

Peter J Ross wrote:

> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT),
> Zod wrote:

>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:19:38 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,
>>> W.Dockery wrote:
>>>
>>> > Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
>>> > of the Beat Generation to come.
>>>
>>> Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
>>> blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".
>>>
>>> That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.
>>
>> You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the gianta of poetry...

> Says somebody who thinks that Will Dreckery is one of the gianta of
> poetry.

Yeah, Carl Sandburg's poetry I can only hope to compare to, someday.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:45:06 +0000,

Yeah, a deposit of feral pigeon shit is something you can only hope to
compare to, someday.

[W.Dockery]

Peter J Ross wrote:

> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:45:06 +0000,
> W.Dockery wrote:

>> Peter J Ross wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT),
>>> Zod wrote:
>>
>>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:19:38 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>>>>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,
>>>>> W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
>>>>> > of the Beat Generation to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
>>>>> blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.
>>>>
>>>> You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the gianta of poetry...
>>
>>> Says somebody who thinks that Will Dreckery is one of the gianta of
>>> poetry.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, Carl Sandburg's poetry I can only hope to compare to, someday.

> Yeah

And so it goes.

:)

[Zod]

Indeed so....

[W.Dockery]

Peter J Ross wrote:

> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 25 Sep 2020 19:45:06 +0000,
> W.Dockery wrote:

>> Peter J Ross wrote:
>>
>>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT),
>>> Zod wrote:
>>
>>>> On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:19:38 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
>>>>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,
>>>>> W.Dockery wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
>>>>> > of the Beat Generation to come.
>>>>>
>>>>> Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
>>>>> blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".
>>>>>
>>>>> That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.
>>>>
>>>> You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the gianta of poetry...
>>
>>> Says somebody who thinks that Will Dreckery is one of the gianta of
>>> poetry.
>>
>>
>> Yeah, Carl Sandburg's poetry I can only hope to compare to, someday.

> Yeah, a deposit of feral pigeon shit is something you can only hope to
> compare to, someday.

You don't get Carl Sandburg, which says a lot about your lack of credibility in judging poetry, PJR.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Which has no bearing on his judgement of your swill.

[W.Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 9:23:07 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Love his poem "The Fog":
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>>> > >
>>> > > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>>>
>>> A fave...

>> It will stand as a masterpiece of simplicity.

> Fine poem, an example for us all...

Yes, a lot to learn from Carl Sandburg.

[Zod]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:19:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >

> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Great choice, Zod.

It remains in my top ten favorite poems....

[W.Dockery]

Rocky wrote:
>
> Love his poem "The Fog":

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0

> "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Carl Sandburg at his best.

[Zod]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:19:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Great choice, Zod.
Good for many reads...

[W.Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 9:23:07 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Love his poem "The Fog":
>>> > >
>>> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>>> > >
>>> > > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>>>

>>> A fave...

>> It will stand as a masterpiece of simplicity.

> Fine poem, an example for us all...

"Less is more."

[Zod]

On Friday, September 4, 2020 at 2:51:59 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 29 Aug 2020 18:06:53 -0700 (PDT),
> Zod wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 at 7:18:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, August 28, 2020 at 9:54:03 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Yes, enjoyed the C.S. poem called "Grass"...
> >>
> >> Grass is a great poem, yes:
> >>
> >>
> >> Grass by Carl Sandburg
> >> https://www.shmoop.com/grass-carl-sandburg/analysis.html
> >
> > Great essay...
> <creepy_mike>
> Elaborate on what's great about it.
> </creepy_mike>

>
>
>
>
> --
> PJR :-)
>
> μεγάλη ἡ ἀλήθεια καὶ ὑπερισχύει.
> - Esdras A 4.41

Hello Peter, where have you been...?

[Zod]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:19:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >

> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Great choice, Zod.
Indeed......

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
>>
>> Love his poem "The Fog":
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>>
>> "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>>
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Great choice, Zod.

An example of my contribution of poetry related content to this group....

[Zod]

On Friday, September 25, 2020 at 1:12:58 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 16:34:36 -0700 (PDT),
> Zod wrote:
>
> > On Friday, September 18, 2020 at 4:19:38 PM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 14 Sep 2020 20:53:03 +0000,
> >> W.Dockery wrote:
> >>
> >> > Another example of a Carl Sandburg poem that set the stage and tone
> >> > of the Beat Generation to come.
> >>
> >> Carl Sandburg, ludicrously bad "poet" though he was, surely can't be
> >> blamed for the ludicrously even worse "poetry" of the "beats".
> >>
> >> That would be like blaming Emmy Dickinson for Amy Lowell.
> >

> > You must be insane, carl Sandburg is one of the giants of poetry...
> Says somebody

Just my opinion...

[Zod]

On Sunday, September 6, 2020 at 4:25:46 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> I like it as well, but it always looked to me like he took the idea from a better poem, one that T.S. Eliot wrote and, for some reason, stuck into his "Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock":
>
> The yellow fog that rubs its back upon the window-panes,
> The yellow smoke that rubs its muzzle on the window-panes,
> Licked its tongue into the corners of the evening,
> Lingered upon the pools that stand in drains,
> Let fall upon its back the soot that falls from chimneys,
> Slipped by the terrace, made a sudden leap,
> And seeing that it was a soft October night,
> Curled once about the house, and fell asleep.

Interesting, which poem came first...?

[Zod]

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 1:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> I just read his poem "Muckers" yesterday.
>
> Great stuff.

I remember that poem well...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9erxBAwbtU

[Zod]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:19:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Great choice, Zod.

Probably still his best...

[Zod]

As a New Year special, I plan to read CS's "Chicago" poem tonight at the fireside festivities...

[W.Dockery]

I'm kind of busy tonight, but would like to come check that out.

[General Zod]

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 1:32:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
>
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
>
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
>
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> I just read his poem "Muckers" yesterday.
>
> Great stuff.

Yes, love that one...

[Will Dockery]

I was curious which poem came first, but haven't found out yet.

Perhaps George Dance knows?

[Zod]

This does need to be investigated...

[Zod]

On Monday, August 17, 2020 at 6:19:51 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, August 16, 2020 at 9:54:02 PM UTC-4, Rocky wrote:
> >
> > Love his poem "The Fog":
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xX1YWIRk-d0
> >
> > "Fog" Carl Sandburg poem CARL SANDBURG RECITES (poetry is like music--listen for musical effects)
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Great choice, Zod.
THX

[Will Dockery]

Sone of it will be a simple matter of lining the dates up, as in which came first.

[W.Dockery]

Try context, Nancy G.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Everybody makes typos.

The context is what makes it funny, Will.


Michael Pendragon
“I’m only here for the waffles”
-- Will “Poppin’ Fresh” Dockery

[W.Dockery]

I don't know the dates the poems were written on.

[Michael Pendragon]

It just keeps getting better!


Michael Pendragon
“Interesting, which poem came first...?

I was curious which poem came first, but haven't found out yet.
Perhaps George Dance knows?
This does need to be investigated...
Sone of it will be a simple matter of lining the dates up, as in which came first.

I don't know the dates the poems were written on.”

[NancyGene]

The formula that we learned in college for figuring out the date on which a poem was written is to count the number of letters in the poet's last name, multiply that by the year that he was born, subtract the number of years that he lived in Columbus, and divide that by the number of children he had. Take the first 8 numbers, and that will be the date that the poem was written.

[Will Dockery]

Okay, So what is the answer?

:)