Perry Rhodan #43

Will Dockery™

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Feb 23, 2019, 10:44:37 PM2/23/19

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I just found a copy of Perry Rhodan which is one of the issues with s letter from me to Forest J. Ackerman.

Photo on the United Federaation page.

:)

General Zod

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Feb 23, 2019, 10:51:22 PM2/23/19

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Cool.....

Scan it....

Will Dockery™

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Feb 23, 2019, 11:01:22 PM2/23/19

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I had a letter in #32 also, still looking for that one.

General Zod

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Feb 24, 2019, 2:04:54 AM2/24/19

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I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....

Zod

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Feb 24, 2019, 7:27:46 PM2/24/19

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Will have a look see...........

Will Dockery™

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Feb 25, 2019, 1:27:47 AM2/25/19

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On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....

Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6

Stephan Pickering commented:

"The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."

General Zod

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Feb 25, 2019, 4:12:14 AM2/25/19

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Cool stuff ....

Will Dockery™

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Feb 25, 2019, 5:31:43 AM2/25/19

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Indeed, and thanks for having a look, Zod.

General Zod

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Feb 25, 2019, 7:42:16 PM2/25/19

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Outstanding.............

Blackbeard

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Mar 6, 2019, 7:36:36 PM3/6/19

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 10:44:37 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery™ wrote:
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> I just found a copy of Perry Rhodan which is one of the issues with s letter from me to Forest J. Ackerman.
>
> Photo on the United Federaation page.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwVxR4y5tpk

"A team of astronauts is sent to the moon to rescue an alien who is seeking help to save her dying race. They are attacked by a force of bandit robots and discover that enemy spies are out to kill the alien."

This is the original 1967 film in 5 parts.

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The Perry Rhodan movive....

Will Dockery™

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Mar 6, 2019, 11:57:00 PM3/6/19

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Good find, General Zod.

General Zod

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Mar 7, 2019, 12:10:39 AM3/7/19

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I love old cheesy science fiction....

Will Dockery™

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Mar 7, 2019, 2:09:44 AM3/7/19

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Interesting find, Zod...

I remember that this film would sometimes come in the late night movie show on television, back in the 1970s.

Blackbeard

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Mar 7, 2019, 7:48:37 PM3/7/19

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 10:44:37 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery™ wrote:

More movies tomorrow...

Will Dockery™

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Mar 28, 2019, 5:56:17 PM3/28/19

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Bumped for "Me".

General Zod

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Mar 28, 2019, 7:20:44 PM3/28/19

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvI0uRWrMtc

Scene from the Perry Rhodan movie, Mission Stardust (released in Italy as ...4...3...2...1...Morte) 1967

Message has been deleted

General Zod

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Mar 28, 2019, 11:42:19 PM3/28/19

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On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:27:47 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery™ wrote:

Right on...……...

General Zod

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Mar 29, 2019, 10:25:25 PM3/29/19

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On Monday, February 25, 2019 at 1:27:47 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery™ wrote:

Here since ME seems to have missed it.....

General Zod

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Mar 30, 2019, 3:02:20 AM3/30/19

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On Saturday, February 23, 2019 at 10:44:37 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery™ wrote:
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I liked a lot of the more off the wall Sci-Fi...

Lost In Space had valuable characters... Dr. Smith and The Robot...

Will Dockery™

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Mar 30, 2019, 4:53:00 AM3/30/19

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Good clip, Zod.

Always was a Thora fan.

😊

General Zod

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Mar 30, 2019, 5:40:37 PM3/30/19

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Will Dockery™ wrote:
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> I just found a copy of Perry Rhodan #43 which is one of the issues with s letter from me to Forest J. Ackerman.

>
> Photo on the United Federaation page.
>
> :)

For sale here:

https://www.amazon.com/Life-Hunt-Perry-Rhodan-43/dp/4416460260

Life Hunt (Perry Rhodan, 43) Mass Market Paperback – Unabridged, 1974
by Kurt Brand (Author), Wendayne Ackerman (Translator)

Product details
Mass Market Paperback: 153 pages
Publisher: Ace; 1st edition (1974)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 0441660266
ISBN-13: 978-0441660261
ASIN: 4416460260
Package Dimensions: 6.9 x 4.1 x 0.3 inches

Will Dockery

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Apr 17, 2021, 1:27:19 AM4/17/21

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Bumped for Pendragon.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 17, 2021, 10:56:06 AM4/17/21

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There's a big difference between having written a letter to the editor and saying that you "knew" the editor.

I exchanged a couple of emails with Frankie Laine and Patti Page, but I wouldn't say that I knew them.

Zod

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Apr 17, 2021, 11:29:48 AM4/17/21

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If they write back it makes a difference, Boss....

Will Dockery

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Apr 18, 2021, 4:52:55 AM4/18/21

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> I just found a copy of Perry Rhodan which is one of the issues with s letter from me to Forest J. Ackerman.
>
> Photo on the United Federaation page.

Updated link:

https://www.google.com/search?q=%22perry+rhodan%22+%2243%22+%22ace%22&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwig4MjztIfwAhUC3VMKHSPVBNsQ2-cCegQIABAA

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 4:30:39 AM4/20/21

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On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 10:56:06 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:

It depends on the content of tthe letters you received. FJA discussed the editing of his proposed Perry Rhodan fanzine, which he wanted to call the Rhodmagnetic Digest, which I would edit. This morphed into my Phobia zine, which was of a more general scope.

I also had a letter published in Perry Rhodan #32:

https://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Perry-Rhodan-Clark-Darlton/dp/B0006XFG78

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 20, 2021, 9:55:25 AM4/20/21

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If writing a fan letter to a comic book is the highlight of your literary career, I feel sorry for you.

Forry's suggesting that a fan boy with literary aspirations put out a fan zine, doesn't qualify said fan boy to claim that he knew Forry personally.

W.Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 11:19:04 AM4/20/21

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Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 20, 2021, 12:05:25 PM4/20/21

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Apparently it was: "The series has spun off into comic books, audio dramas, video games and the like."

Wikipedia.

You should take two seconds to fact check prior to posting.

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 12:09:02 PM4/20/21

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None of that happened in the United States, you're looking at the German version.

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 12:23:58 PM4/20/21

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On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
>
> > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
> Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
>
> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
>
> Stephan Pickering commented:
>
> "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."

There was never a comic book version of Perry Rhodan in the United States, see above for details.

Coco DeSockmonkey

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Apr 20, 2021, 12:40:37 PM4/20/21

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That doesn't change the fact there was a comic book version.

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 12:50:31 PM4/20/21

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Never in the United States, only in Germany.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 20, 2021, 1:15:06 PM4/20/21

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I heard you the first time.

That still doesn't make your false claim correct.

W-Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 1:36:04 PM4/20/21

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You still don't seem to understand, though.

Okay, I'll add this, Forrest J Ackerman had nothing to do with a Perry Rhodan comic book.

FJA and his wife Wendy produced a hundred or so paperback novels of Perry Rhodan in the U.S. and this is what I corresponded with him about, never a comic book, which never existed in English.

HTH and HAND.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 20, 2021, 1:53:18 PM4/20/21

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Very good.

You should have *specified* what you were referring to when you falsely claimed that "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

Words matter.

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 2:02:38 PM4/20/21

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You should have learned what the Perry Rhodan series was before ignorantly calling it a comic book.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 20, 2021, 2:08:37 PM4/20/21

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Judging by the cover art, it was probably on a similar literary level.

But be that as it may, the fact remains that you were mistaken about its never having been a comic book.

Will Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 2:27:25 PM4/20/21

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No, you were mistaken.

FJA never worked on a Perry Rhodan comic book, ever.

Coco DeSockmonkey

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Apr 20, 2021, 2:33:59 PM4/20/21

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You said that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book.

You didn't say that FJA never worked on the comic book version of Perry Rhodan.

Words matter.

W.Dockery

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Apr 20, 2021, 3:04:04 PM4/20/21

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There was a comic book version of Perry Rhodan in Germany, but never here for American fans.

Marvel or DC could have possibly done it well, similarly to their Star Trek and Star Wars comix adaptations, though.

Zod

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Apr 20, 2021, 5:10:34 PM4/20/21

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Perry Rhodan is a Science Fiction series, much like a German Star Trek...

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?29512

Series: Perry Rhodan in EnglishSeries Record # 29512
Series Tags: science fiction (5), space opera (1), Perry Rhodan (1)

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119

Author: Forrest J. AckermanAuthor Record # 119
Legal Name: Ackerman, Forrest James
Birthplace: Los Angeles, California, USA
Birthdate: 24 November 1916
Deathdate: 4 December 2008

Will Dockery

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Apr 21, 2021, 1:48:53 PM4/21/21

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On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 5:10:34 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:

They also made a Perry Rhodan movie but like the comics, it isn't much ore than a footnote when discussing Perry Rhodan:

https://www.blackgate.com/2020/07/25/19-movies-goes-to-the-movies-with-perry-rhodan/

"Perry Rhodan is a German science fiction series that has been published weekly between September 1961 and February 2019 for over 3000 issues..."

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 21, 2021, 1:51:14 PM4/21/21

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You said that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book.

You didn't say that the comic book version of Perry Rhodan is relatively insignificant.

Words matter.

Will Dockery

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Apr 21, 2021, 1:58:59 PM4/21/21

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I wrote:

"Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/PpGQetxjQfY/m/n4mbIHLqAQAJ

Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 21, 2021, 3:34:01 PM4/21/21

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Yes, Will, that's what you wrote.

> Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book.

You do realize that you neglected to mention that you were only talking about "Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan" in your initial statement.

There is a world of difference between:

"Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

and

"Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book."

Words matter.

W-Dockery

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Apr 21, 2021, 5:31:05 PM4/21/21

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I never said never.

> a comic book.
>
>> > You didn't say that the comic book version of Perry Rhodan is relatively insignificant.
>> >
>> > Words matter.
>
>> I wrote:
>>
>> "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."
>> https://groups.google.com/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/PpGQetxjQfY/m/n4mbIHLqAQAJ
>
> Yes, Will, that's what you wrote.
>
>> Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book.
>
> You do realize that you neglected to mention that you were only talking about "Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan" in your initial statement.
>
> There is a world of difference between:
>
> "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."
>
> and
>
> "Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book."
>
> Words matter.

We were discussing FJA and how I knew him, which was through his Perry Rhodan series, which was not a comic book.

Get it, now?

Context also matters.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 21, 2021, 10:01:09 PM4/21/21

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There was no context, Will.

You never supplied the necessary information (that FJA didn't work on the comic book).

And, even if you had supplied it, your statement would still be incorrect.

What you should have said was that FJA had no connection with the comic book.

Words matter.

Will Dockery

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Apr 21, 2021, 10:12:00 PM4/21/21

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You somehow just assumed that it was a Perry Rhodan comic book, it wasn't.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 21, 2021, 10:21:00 PM4/21/21

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Yes, I assumed it was a comic book.

The covers shown on Wikipedia look like comic books, and your entire familiarity with literature and poetry comes from comic books.

And, had you wanted to correct my mistake, you should have said that "Perry Rhodan" was a science fiction book series that FJA had worked on, and that FJA had nothing to do with the comic book series that was derived from it.

You didn't.

You said that "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

You either didn't know of the comic book series' existence, or you didn't think before you wrote.

In either case, your statement was incorrect.

Will Dockery

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Apr 21, 2021, 10:37:16 PM4/21/21

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On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:21:00 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 21, 2021 at 10:12:00 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > Stephan Pickering commented:
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."
> > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > There was never a comic book version of Perry Rhodan in the United States, see above

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > > > >> Forrest J. Ackerman's American version of Perry Rhodan was not a comic book.
>

> > > > We were discussing FJA and how I knew him, which was through his Perry Rhodan series, which was not a comic book.
>

> > > You never supplied the necessary information (that FJA didn't work on the comic book).
> > You somehow just assumed that it was a Perry Rhodan comic book, it wasn't.
>
> Yes, I assumed it was a comic book.
>
> The covers shown on Wikipedia look like comic books

No more than Star Wars and Star Trek art, which Perry Rhodan is basically the German version of.

But you've never understood Science Fiction so well, have you?

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 8:56:27 AM4/22/21

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In the literary scheme of things, a "Star Trek" book would be about a half step above a comic book.

> But you've never understood Science Fiction so well, have you?

Unlike you, I went to college, where my split minor was literature. As part of my minor, I took a class in Science Fiction.

Sci-Fi as a genre (serial books like "Perry Rhodan" and "Star Trek") is pulp fiction -- which is to literature as rock lyrics are to poetry.

I am not a fan of pulp fiction, as the payoff isn't worth my time and effort. I found Le Guin's "The Left Hand of Darkness" to be a complete waste of time.

I do, however, enjoy literary Science Fiction. Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" (restored, unedited version) and Lewis' "Out of the Silent Planet" trilogy are masterpieces.

But, as per usual, you are attempting to shift the focus of our discussion away from the salient point: your statement that "Perry Rhodan" wasn't a comic book was just plain wrong.

And rather than simply admitting that fact, you persist in making a jackass of yourself by attempting to "prove" that you are correct.

And, FWIW, even if I had no understanding of Science Fiction whatsoever, that would still have no bearing on the fact that your statement was incorrect.

Words matter.

Will Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:00:52 AM4/22/21

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On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 11:29:48 AM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 10:56:06 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:

> > On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 1:27:19 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> > > On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
> > > > Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
> > > >
> > > > https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
> > > >
> > > > Stephan Pickering commented:
> > > >
> > > > "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."

> > > Bumped for Pendragon.
> > There's a big difference between having written a letter to the editor and saying that you "knew" the editor.
> >
> > I exchanged a couple of emails with Frankie Laine and Patti Page, but I wouldn't say that I knew them.

> If they write back it makes a difference, Boss....

Yes, he had looked at the small press publications I had sent him and thought I would do well with a Perry Rhodan fanzine, so we went back and forth on that for a while.

Edward Rochester Esq.

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:04:27 AM4/22/21

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I'm not sure why you want to try and explain anything to a stone who happens to wear baggy pants.

The man is illiterate and becoming more so as the days go by.

Will Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:09:56 AM4/22/21

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There was no false claim.

Perry Rhodan comics are obscure even in Germany.

Find out something about the topic before trying to argue about it next time, Pendragon.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:21:13 AM4/22/21

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Again, encouraging a fan to start a fanzine sounds like typical self-promotion. It certainly doesn't qualify you to claim that you knew the man.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:23:15 AM4/22/21

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Anne Sullivan got through to Helen Keller. I'm hoping to get through to a potato.

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:24:13 AM4/22/21

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Obscurity is also beside the point.

There is a "Perry Rhodan" comic book series. You claimed that there wasn't. You were wrong.

Words matter.

Will Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:32:12 AM4/22/21

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So, you've given your opinion and you're entitled to that.

I was there and see it differently.

:)

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:40:24 AM4/22/21

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Of course you do.

Zu-Bolton dropped in your classroom a couple of times, and you've blown that up into his having been the "poet-in-residence" at your school as well as your personal tutor.

You have a habit of blowing things out of proportion.

W-Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 9:51:05 AM4/22/21

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There was never a Perry Rhodan comic book in the United States, never one edited by FJA.

There doesn't seem to have even been a Perry Rhodan comic in Germany since around the Eighties, from what I can tell.

Perry Rhodan is a series of pulp fiction style Sci-Fi novels, mainly, although some spin offs happened, none of those happened here in America.

All clear now?

:)

Michael Pendragon

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Apr 22, 2021, 10:12:56 AM4/22/21

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Yes.

It's also perfectly clear that there was also a "Perry Rhodan" comic book.

You were wrong, Will.

100% dead wrong.

Get over yourself and deal with it.

Will Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 10:32:13 AM4/22/21

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On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 10:12:56 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 22, 2021 at 9:51:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > There was never a Perry Rhodan comic book in the United States, never one edited by FJA.
> >
> > There doesn't seem to have even been a Perry Rhodan comic in Germany since around the Eighties, from what I can tell.
> >
> > Perry Rhodan is a series of pulp fiction style Sci-Fi novels, mainly, although some spin offs happened, none of those happened here in America.
> >
> > All clear now?
> Yes.
>
> It's also perfectly clear that there was also a "Perry Rhodan" comic book.

Never in America, which is where we we were discussing Perry Rhodan.

German publications are not relevant to the discussion.

FJA never edited or translated Perry Rhodan comix, and I read and wrote letters to his English language Perry Rhodan, never to Germany.

You were mistaken when you called Perry Rhodan a comic book, just admit it and move along, Pendragon.

Coco DeSockmonkey

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Apr 22, 2021, 10:40:50 AM4/22/21

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"Perry Rhodan" has been a book series and a comic book series.

You neglected to specify which one you were talking about.

Since I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan," I assumed you were referring to the comic book (since comic books make up the bulk of your literary experience).

I was wrong.

But this has no bearing on your statement's being incorrect.

"Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series. You misspoke out of ignorance.

You were wrong. Deal with it.

Will Dockery

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Apr 22, 2021, 10:46:39 AM4/22/21

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No, the Perry Rhodan comic books were obscure, even in Germany.

There was never a Perry Rhodan comic book available to American readers, only a paperback novel series edited by FJA and translated by his wife Wendy.

That's it, no comix.

You were mistaken, no big deal, Pendragon.

W-Dockery

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While you don't even know the difference between a paperback novel and a comic book.

> Zu-Bolton dropped in your classroom a couple of times, and you've blown that up into his having been the "poet-in-residence" at your school as well as your personal tutor.

No, not a tutor but he did influence my poetry and he was cool to hang out with.

> You have a habit of blowing things out of proportion.

Dan Barfield introduced Ahmos Zu-Bolton to the class as Poet in Residence, he was the teacher of the class so I had no reason to argue about it.

Zod

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Apr 22, 2021, 6:12:49 PM4/22/21

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The fuckhead Pendragon is STILL stirring this shit up...?

It has been well established what happened and Dance got the full story from Barfield himself...

Idiot troll, you are, Pen....

W.Dockery

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I would say I know him on the level I know you or anyone else I write back and forth to, Pendragon.

Will Dockery

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Yes, the silly shit just keeps going around and around.

General Zod

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On Thursday, March 7, 2019 at 1:57:00 AM UTC-3, Will Dockery wrote:
> Good find, General Zod.

THX

Zod

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On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 1:36:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>

> > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 12:50:31 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 12:40:37 PM UTC-4, cocodeso...@gmail.com wrote:

> >> > On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 12:23:58 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
> >> > > > Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Stephan Pickering commented:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."

> >> > > There was never a comic book version of Perry Rhodan in the United States, see above for details.
> >> > That doesn't change the fact there was a comic book version.
>
> >> Never in the United States, only in Germany.
> >
> > I heard you the first time.
> You still don't seem to understand, though.
>
> Okay, I'll add this, Forrest J Ackerman had nothing to do with a Perry Rhodan comic book.
>
> FJA and his wife Wendy produced a hundred or so paperback novels of Perry Rhodan in the U.S. and this is what I corresponded with him about, never a comic book, which never existed in English.
>
> HTH and HAND.

The motherfucker is just playing stupid, Doc.....

Will Dockery

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> The <name calling snipped> is just playing stupid, Doc.....

I've wondered about that.

Will Dockery

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No, actually, you did that.

Zod

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It was German only comix though...

General Zod

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He seems a be narrow minded...

Zod

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Will Dockery wrote:

> On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
>>
>> > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
>> Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
>>
>> https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
>>
>> Stephan Pickering commented:
>>
>> "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."

> Bumped for Pendragon.

Cool info...

Will Dockery

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Pendragon stopped responding which usually means he knows he is wrong but will never admit it.

Michael Pendragon

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It means that Pendragon doesn't open or read threads where the most recent post has been made by your sock.

It also means that I have nothing further to say in the matter. "Perry Rhodan" was, among other things, a comic book series. You were wrong, and refuse to admit it.

Your getting the last word in won't change the fact that you were wrong. Nor will it convince anyone reading through the thread that you were not.

W-Dockery

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No, Perry Rhodan was never, ever a comic book in the United States, which is the version we were discussing. What Germany produced is not relevant.

Second, we were discussing Forrest J. Ackerman, who edited the English translations of the Perry Rhodan novels, never comics.

You didn't know anything about Perry Rhodan and thought they were comic books, and you were corrected.

Admit that you were wrong, Pendragon.

:)

Will Dockery

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May 2, 2021, 12:43:00 PM5/2/21

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On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 9:55:25 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 20, 2021 at 4:30:39 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 10:56:06 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > On Saturday, April 17, 2021 at 1:27:19 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, February 24, 2019 at 2:04:54 AM UTC-5, General Zod wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I saw it on the Facebook poetry page....
> > > > > Perry Rhodan #43... A letter from Wm. Dockery on page 153. I was 12 or 13 years old back then. Just found this at Book Nook, which has a huge collection of these. :) — at Book Nook.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53026411_10157368056194363_2421294740902248448_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=eb6a8f0ebae30ada4f7c1a02db9a78ea&oe=5CDDD6B6
> > > > >
> > > > > Stephan Pickering commented:
> > > > >
> > > > > "The English translations were actually quite faithful to the German originals...Every week since 8 September 1961 Perry Rhodan has appeared in Germany. By February 2019 = 3000 booklet novels, 400 paperbacks, 200 hardbacks. Ace Books 1969-1978 published translations of #s 1-126. Wendayne Ackerman z"l self-published translations of 127-144 from 1978-1979. Even now, they are still fun to read...and have had an enormous influence on Europe's sci-fi writers...One will note the cover blurbs are by Forry Ackerman z"l..."
> > > > Bumped for Pendragon.
> > >

> > > There's a big difference between having written a letter to the editor and saying that you "knew" the editor.
> > >
> > > I exchanged a couple of emails with Frankie Laine and Patti Page, but I wouldn't say that I knew them.

> > It depends on the content of tthe letters you received. FJA discussed the editing of his proposed Perry Rhodan fanzine, which he wanted to call the Rhodmagnetic Digest, which I would edit. This morphed into my Phobia zine, which was of a more general scope.
> >
> > I also had a letter published in Perry Rhodan #32:
> >
> > https://www.amazon.com/Challenge-Perry-Rhodan-Clark-Darlton/dp/B0006XFG78
> If writing a fan letter to a comic book is the highlight of your literary career, I feel sorry for you.
>
> Forry's suggesting that a fan boy with literary aspirations put out a fan zine, doesn't qualify said fan boy to claim that he knew Forry personally.

Perry Rhodan, as edited in English by Forry Ackerman, was not a comic book.

How is that?

Michael Pendragon

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I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.

That still doesn't negate the fact that "Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series.

Michael Pendragon
"So we walked around the corner and passed the Sweet Gum Head bar (real name), there were two guys with green hair kissing, and it was surprising and funny to us. In no way was [our giggling] a homophobic reaction. "
– Will Dockery, proving that he’s LGBT friendly.

Will Dockery

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May 2, 2021, 1:48:24 PM5/2/21

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:46:06 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 11:54:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > No, Perry Rhodan was never, ever a comic book in the United States, which is the version we were discussing. What Germany produced is not relevant.
> >
> > Second, we were discussing Forrest J. Ackerman, who edited the English translations of the Perry Rhodan novels, never comics.
> >
> > You didn't know anything about Perry Rhodan and thought they were comic books, and you were corrected.
> >
> > Admit that you were wrong, Pendragon.
>
> I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.
>
> That still doesn't negate the fact that "Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series.

And I have admitted that I should have specified that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book in America, although there was a German comic book for a while.

How about we end this one here?

Michael Pendragon

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May 2, 2021, 1:50:34 PM5/2/21

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Why don't you admit that you'd never had any idea that it had been a comic book?

Michael Pendragon
“Since this is the say for that, and I doubt anyone else will strep up and state it.”
-- Will Dockery, on… something.

Will Dockery

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:50:34 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.
> > >
> > > That still doesn't negate the fact that "Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series.
> > And I have admitted that I should have specified that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book in America, although there was a German comic book for a while.
> >
> > How about we end this one here?
> Why don't you admit that you'd never had any idea that it had been a comic book?

Because that's not true, I had actually seen a couple of copies of the comic, which was called "Perry", not "Perry Rhodan", at Emmy's Schntzel House (long gone since the 1980s), along with some other German magazines and books, but I ddn't think an obscure German publication from fifty years ago was relevant to our /specific/ discussion of Forry Ackerman and the English version of Perry Rhodan, which were the novels, never comics.

To give you an idea of what the Perry Rhodan novels were like in America, they were very similar to the Doc Savage paperback series, numbered, one every month or so.

Will Dockery

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May 2, 2021, 2:15:03 PM5/2/21

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No, you were the one wh was wrong.

The Perry Rhodan series Forry Ackerman edited, translated by his wife Wendy, was not a comic book.

That settled, we can move on when you're ready.

:)

Michael Pendragon

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:00:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:50:34 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:48:24 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > > I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.
> > > >
> > > > That still doesn't negate the fact that "Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series.
> > > And I have admitted that I should have specified that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book in America, although there was a German comic book for a while.
> > >
> > > How about we end this one here?
> > Why don't you admit that you'd never had any idea that it had been a comic book?
> Because that's not true, I had actually seen a couple of copies of the comic, which was called "Perry", not "Perry Rhodan", at Emmy's Schntzel House (long gone since the 1980s), along with some other German magazines and books, but I ddn't think an obscure German publication from fifty years ago was relevant to our /specific/ discussion of Forry Ackerman and the English version of Perry Rhodan, which were the novels, never comics.
>

I call bullshit.

If you had been aware of the comic book, why did you write: "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book"?

Michael Pendragon
PJR: Do you ever read the posts to which you reply?
WILL: Okay, good point.

Will Dockery

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On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 3:46:09 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 2:00:32 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 2, 2021 at 1:50:34 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.
> > > > >
> > > > > That still doesn't negate the fact that "Perry Rhodan" was also a comic book series.
> > > > And I have admitted that I should have specified that Perry Rhodan was never a comic book in America, although there was a German comic book for a while.
> > > >
> > > > How about we end this one here?
> > > Why don't you admit that you'd never had any idea that it had been a comic book?
> > Because that's not true, I had actually seen a couple of copies of the comic, which was called "Perry", not "Perry Rhodan", at Emmy's Schntzel House (long gone since the 1980s), along with some other German magazines and books, but I ddn't think an obscure German publication from fifty years ago was relevant to our /specific/ discussion of Forry Ackerman and the English version of Perry Rhodan, which were the novels, never comics.
> >
> I call bullshit.

So, you'd be wrong once again.

> If you had been aware of the comic book, why did you write: "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book"?

Because Forry Ackerman did not edit a comic book, I didn't read Perry Rhodan comic books, because Perry Rhodan comic books were not published in America, in English translations.

Thus, Perry Rhodan as I knew it was not a comic book.

Michael Pendragon

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But that isn't what you said, Will. What you said was: "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

Michael Pendragon
“I admit my mistakes when I make one.”
-- Will Dockery

General Zod

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The old German cafes have fallen from fashion, sadly...

Will Dockery

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Not the version we were discussing, the Forrest J Ackerman American edition from Ace Books, which were novels only, no comix.

Michael Pendragon

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May 3, 2021, 8:35:38 AM5/3/21

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It doesn't matter what we were discussing, Will. What you said was: "Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book."

Not only was Perry Rhodan a comic book, but you claim to have "actually seen a couple of copies."

What you *intended* to say and what you actually *wrote* are two very different things.,

Words matter.

Learn how to use them correctly.

Will Dockery

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No, it was your mistake.

You, for some reason, thought that Perry Rhodan was an American comic book, editied by Forry Ackerman, I suppose, since that who the discussion was about at the start.

There was never a Perry Rhodan comic book in the U.S. and never one edited by F.J.A. only the series of pulp style novels here.

Michael Pendragon

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You should have specified that in your original statement.

"Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book" is an absolute statement. It means that there was never any comic book version of Perry Rhodan.

You obviously know this, because you were able to correct your statement above.

Michael Pendragon
MMP: Have you been eating those marijuana brownies again?
WILL DOCKERY: No, but I will admit the one I ate was pretty good.

W-Dockery

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Forrest J. Ackerman edited the series of Perry Rhodan paperback novels his wife Wendy translated to English from German.

There was not an American Perry Rhodan comic book.

Michael Pendragon

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On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:16:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Forrest J. Ackerman edited the series of Perry Rhodan paperback novels his wife Wendy translated to English from German.
>
> There was not an American Perry Rhodan comic book.

You should have specified that in your original statement.

"Perry Rhodan wasn't a comic book" is an absolute statement. It means that there was never any comic book version of Perry Rhodan.

You obviously know this, because you were able to correct your statement above.

Words matter.

Learn how to write what you actually mean to say.

Michael Pendragon
“Sure, I can accept it, and also identify it as a lie and misrepresentation”
-- Will Dockery, unsuccessfully denying that he’s in denial.

W.Dockery

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May 3, 2021, 9:24:05 AM5/3/21

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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:16:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Forrest J. Ackerman edited the series of Perry Rhodan paperback novels his wife Wendy translated to English from German.
>>
>> There was not an American Perry Rhodan comic book.

> You should have specified that in your original statement.

And you should have found out something about the Perry Rhodan series before calling it a comic boo, which it was not, not here in the U.S.A.

Will Dockery

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On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:01:16 AM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > I've already admitted that I'd never heard of "Perry Rhodan" before.

So, now you have.

:)

Michael Pendragon

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May 3, 2021, 9:37:31 AM5/3/21

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I believe I called it a comic *book*, Boo-Boo.

And, IMHO, that estimation isn't far off the mark.

But that doesn't change the fact that what you meant to say and what you actually wrote were two very different things.

Words matter.

Learn how to use them correctly.

Michael Pendragon

“and you know… that over the years, I HAVE come really
close to "converting" to negrohood... remember in the early 1980s
when I hated white folks and all that?”
-- Will Dockery, on racism and "negrohood."

W.Dockery

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Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:24:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Monday, May 3, 2021 at 9:16:05 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> >> Forrest J. Ackerman edited the series of Perry Rhodan paperback novels his wife Wendy translated to English from German.
>> >>
>> >> There was not an American Perry Rhodan comic book.
>>
>> > You should have specified that in your original statement.
>

>> And you should have found out something about the Perry Rhodan series before calling it a comic book, which it was not, not here in the U.S.A.

> I believe I called it a comic *book*, Boo-Boo.

Which was incorrect, since FJA never edited a Perry Rhodan comic book, and no comic like that existed in the U.S.

> And, IMHO, that estimation isn't far off the mark.

Depends on how close you consider Science Fiction series such as Star Wars and Star Trek to comic books, I suppose.

Perry Rhodan is basically the German version of that sort of space opera.