Re: Charles Bukowski

[Will Dockery]

On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
> "Vera" wrote
>
> > > His name suggests a Polish background.
>
> > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
>
> > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > part rather than that essential last line.
>
> > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
>
> > > Thank you!
>
> > > Vera
>
> > huh? you're copying Bukowski? I think you like
> > yourself WAY too much for there to ever be
> > any confusion about the two.
>
> I think someone else compared Vera's style to Buk's, and she doesn't
> know much about him, so she is curious.

Probably the "chopped-up-prose" thing, I guess,

> Someone at the local strip mall said the old man looked like Jimmy
> Buffet, so he asked me who he is for much the same reason. My answer
> was, "Well, he isn't Warren Buffet; I think he's a musician." I
> looked up Jimmy Buffet, and excepting the ubiquitous Hawaiian shirt, I
> still think the old man looks more like Teddy Roosevelt. "Bully!"

Interesting that Buffett /and/ Roosevelt come to mind constantly when
I'm around Barfield, he's got the swashbucking sailor-rough riding
warrior poet thing down, and have lived it since I first met him as a
kid.

On the Buffett angle, here's probably the ultimate JB song-poem:

A Pirate Looks At Forty

Mother, mother ocean, I have heard you call
Wanted to sail upon your waters since I was three feet tall
You've seen it all, you've seen it all

Watched the men who rode you switch from sails to steam
And in your belly you hold the treasures few have ever seen
Most of 'em dream, most of 'em dream

Yes I am a pirate, two hundred years too late
The cannons don't thunder, there's nothin' to plunder
I'm an over-forty victim of fate
Arriving too late, arriving too late

I've done a bit of smugglin', I've run my share of grass
I made enough money to buy Miami, but I pissed it away so fast
Never meant to last, never meant to last

And I have been drunk now for over two weeks
I passed out and I rallied and I sprung a few leaks
But I got stop wishin', got to go fishin'
Down to rock bottom again
Just a few friends, just a few friends

(instrumental)

I go for younger women, lived with several awhile
Though I ran 'em away, they'd come back one day
Still could manage to smile
Just takes a while, just takes a while

Mother, mother ocean, after all the years I've found
My occupational hazard being my occupation's just not around
I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown

Coda:
I feel like I've drowned, gonna head uptown

-Jimmy Buffett, 1974

> Wry little poem by Buk, thanks for posting.

It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.

Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes

"...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
killed her."

and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.

--
"God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars

"Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

[Will Dockery]

"George Dance" wrote

> On Jul 23, 3:48 pm, "Vera" wrote:
>
> > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >
>

> Here's a good link (to some poems and some stories as well:)
> http://bukowski.net/poems/

>
> > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > part rather than that essential last line.
>

> Good idea. I did contact Harper Collins (who owns the rights) to get
> permission to put a poem up, but they require a letter and 4-6
> weeks.
> Your idea of quoting is much better. So here's a quote from one I
> liked from the above site:
>
> <quote>
> magical mystery tour
>
> I am in this low-slung sports car
> painted a deep, rich yellow
> driving under an Italian sun.
> I have a British accent.
> I'm wearing dark shades
> an expensive silk shirt.
> there's no dirt under my
> fingernails.
> the radio plays Vivaldi
> and there are two women with
> me
> one with raven hair
> the other a blonde.
> they have small breasts and
> beautiful legs
> and they laugh at everything I
> say.
>
> [...]
>
> after lunch we will have a
> flat tire on the other side of
> the mountain
> and the blonde will change the
> tire
> while
> raven hair
> photographs me
> lighting my pipe
> leaning against a tree
> the perfect background
> perfectly at peace
> with
> sunlight
> flowers
> clouds
> birds
> everywhere.
> </q>

>
> > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
>

> Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
> be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
> same Naturalistic style.
>
> That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
> poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
> inventor, just an exemplar.

Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to Buk...
never really saw her as the Barfly type...

[Amadeus Jinn]

"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1185303375.7...@o61g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...

>
> I might look these up later, if
> they're online somewhere, and post them here...

There is room. :)

> great stuff.

You say.

AJ

[Amadeus Jinn]

"Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:67d03$46a65e4f$18d62320$20...@KNOLOGY.NET...

>> > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!

:)

>>
>> Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
>> be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
>> same Naturalistic style.

There are numerous court cases involving artistic style,
but only related to graphic art that has an easily discernable style.

>>
>> That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
>> poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
>> inventor, just an exemplar.

Radio DJs make the poets look sick.

>
> Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to Buk...
> never really saw her as the Barfly type...

Ah, okay...

AJ

[baloney]

The old man only looks like Teddy. The old salts I knew were my
father's friends, but they weren't poets. I spent a lot time on boats
as a kid. I cleaned a lot of fish, caught some too.

Anyway, Barfield, whom I only know from what you've written, seems
like a character from a southern gothic novel, eccentric, a little
wild, interesting. I can't fault others for eccentricity, but I'm a
mousy eccentric.

It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't. I
like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain
appeal. In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
influenced by Buk.

> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>
> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
> killed her."
>
> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>

Post one when you find it.

Have fun with the boat. I usually get a boat fixing chore put on me
when I visit my sister.

[Will Dockery]

On Jul 25, 8:54 am, "Vera" wrote:
> "Will Dockery" wrote

> I'm not. However, on a hot day, I've popped into a bar for a glass
> of beer between shopping. I don't feel comfortable being on my own
> so don't stay long. I treat myself to scotch & dry before a dental
> appointment. That way, I don't hate the dentist.

I tend to stay away from bars on hot days because they're so dark and
cool that I dread going back outside until after nightfall... and
stepping outside into the sunshine and sometimes 100+ degree
surroundings is quite a shock, no matter how well prepared for it I
think I may be...

There's the film "Barfly" (with Faye Dunnaway!) which gives a
fictionalized version of Bukowski, that's worth looking for... and
here's a good group of Buk's poems:

http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/charles_bukowski/poems

[Will Dockery]

"baloney" wrote

> On Jul 24, 2:56 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
> > his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
> > compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
> > memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
> > better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
> >
> It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't.

Well, the common dislike of Bukowski here is pretty interesting, in light of
the firestorm of reaction here recently to another "poet" who has much more
in common with Buk than Vera or Pandora, the
chopped-up-confessional-prose-verse, the "fucken" plain speaking language,
the /punch-line/ zinger at the end... Houstman, in a candid moment, might
call Bukowski's poetry "shit", as he would others using the style... in a
candid moment, or a confused one.

> I like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain
appeal.

Well, like Blue's poem about Bukowski, and the flood of Buk-wannabes,
sometimes the navel-gazings laced with "fuckens" and all that are
interesting and amusing, and liven up a poetry reading since there's usually
always a punk or two to jump up with that and scare the manager of the joint
(I remember a few years ago when a host was forced by the managment to
unplug the mic of Joseph Garcia when he went on and on with a poem about
"fucking the wide vagina of the universe" or something like that in cosmic,
sloppy detail... miss old Joe...) but my real favorites are the ones (like
Houstman, Rimbaud, Ginsberg and... yeah, again, Kerouac) who also include
the brilliant flashing chains of images with the gritty facts of passing out
and waking up in the gutter... as I wrote a couple of weeks ago in a post
that seems to have been passed over (since it got no responses):

> >I can't agree with that since Kerouac is a quite brilliant poet, in my
Opinion.
> really? how so? how was Kerouac a "brilliant" poet?

In my opinion he was.

His poems, even more than the other writings, were intended to be flowing
blasts of image and thought, conciously modeled after the feeling evoked by
a free jazz saxophonist, and that he made it work, most notably in his
masterpiece "Mexico City Blues" was pretty brilliant.

Here's an example from MCB (and an aside to Baloney, if you're reading this,

[Which I don't know if you did or not]

I think you might see why I relate Dale Housman's poetry to Beat poems such
as this, as well as the example of William Burroughs I gave earlier), that
shows the flow of image on image in Kerouac's brilliant poetry:

----
230th Chorus

Love's multitudinous boneyard
of decay,
The spilled milk of heroes,
Destruction of silk kerchiefs
by dust storm,
Caress of heroes blindfolded to posts,
Murder victims admitted to this life,
Skeletons bartering fingers and joints.

-Jack Kerouac
----

That's it, my non-expert opinion on why Kerouac was a "brilliant" poet, take
it or leave it.

In fact, how about you follow your own "rules" and explain for a few
paragraphs how Kerouac's poetry was /not/ "brilliant"?

Nope, you'll no doubt just jeer at "Will Dockery" and manage to avoid
anything else, am I right?

Here's Kerouac's "mission statement" on what his poetry was intended, and
did, achieve:

"I want to be considered a jazz poet blowing a long blues in an
afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac

And, sorry, pal, but here's an expert opinion cut-n-paste that supports my
opinion that Kerouac's poetry is indeed "brilliant":

"Kerouac is being popularized as an icon of culture - my regret is that
sight of him as an artist will be lost.. We'll know his name and some work
considered typical. But we'll miss one of the finest, brightest sensoriums
that has graced verse with intelligence and intellect. [...] Kerouac is best
known for his novel "On the Road", but his masterpiece is "Mexico City
Blues", a religious poem startling in its majesty and comedy and gentleness
and vision. [...] Kerouac is known worldwide as a novelist. He is sometimes
also known as the writer of haiku-type poems or intermediate-length poems on
the subject of Rimbaud or Budhism. But Kerouac is little known as the author
of several major poems which he considered to be blues works. These books
include the unpublished Washington D.C. Blues, San Francisco Blues, and
Berkeley Blues. They range in style from Dos Passos-like descriptive verse
to poetrylike journals. Outstanding in all modern poetry is the epic- length
Mexico City Blues. [...] The rules of Mexico City Blues were that they
should be written on the pages of a pocket notebook such as Kerouac nearly
always carried. Each page of the notebook would be a chorus. Eventually, in
the developing structure of the poem, each line becomes a complete, and
whole,independent image. [...] A further rule of Mexico City Blues was that
it must all be spontaneous - all a risk - a free, inspired, or noninspired,
flowing statement, liberated from judgements about its value. It was done
for itself - as an organism lives for itself." -Michael McClure

Urm, well, that's where I'm at, or hoping to /get to/.

> In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
> influenced by Buk.

This is the "Ghost of C Earl Nelson", who had a flurry of posts here a week
or so ago? I read through some of that, and I guess you're right... as far
as that sort of thing goes, I guess I prefer Chuck's "Perfect Angel" or...
"Spectre".

[Heathcliff]

The age old Buk debate....

Another poet Pendragon is clueless about...

[Terry Zod]

On Friday, July 27, 2007 at 1:02:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

Outstanding history view...

[Zod]

I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.

[W-Dockery]

Good find, Zod.

🙂

[Michael Pendragon]

If you think the above even remotely resembles a critical analysis of a poem, you're every bit the sub-moronic, illiterate nincompoop I've always taken you for.

[W-Dockery]

I've never claimed to be a poetry critic, but this thread is definitely valid poetry commentary.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

You not only claimed that could write a critical analysis of one of Buk's poems, but claimed to be working on said analysis as well.

To claim that you're still working on a one-paragraph critical analysis 6 years after the fact would be ridiculous.

You are obviously incapable of performing the task.

[Will Dockery]

Again, I don't claim to be a poetry critic

In fact, most posters here don't post poetry critique.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

You certainly aren't a poetry critic, Donkey... however, that is not the point.

One does not need to be a poetry critic to write a one-paragraph, critical analysis of a poem. Most junior high school children have to write them as part of the curriculum of their English class. I realize that you didn't make it through high school (even with the extra years you put in),

And since you seem to be confused as to the nature of this incident, allow me to refresh your drug and booze-addled memory:

a) You claimed that you understood Buk's poetry better than I did.
b) I challenged you to write a critical analysis (one paragraph or more) of any Buk poem of your choice, and that I would then write a vastly superior analysis of it -- much as I had done when I'd asked you to explain what you thought L. Cohen's "Suzanne Takes You Down" meant.
c) You kept pretending that you were working on it, until so much time had passed that your lie became a joke.

It has now been 6 years, and you've still been unable to write a one-paragraph critical analysis of a Bukowski poem.

You are obviously a very intellectually-limited man.

[Will Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 2:56:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:

> I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.

Thanks again, Zod.

Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.

HTH and HAND.

[Michael Pendragon]

Your poetry makes Charles Bukowski appear literate.

[General-Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

>

> Thanks again, Zod.

> Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.

> HTH and HAND.

This section easily fulfills Penhead's request for your thoughts on Buk, Doc:

********************************

It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.

Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes

"...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
killed her."

and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.

*********************************

[Michael Pendragon]

You're an imbecile, Stink.

I asked for a *critical analysis* of a poem -- not simply naming a poem he likes because it describes a sexual act.

[W.Dockery]

General-Zod wrote:

Good afternoon, and, again, good find, Zod.

:)_

[Zod]

Penhead, you are a lying malicious troll a bogus Voodoo boy not to mention a delusional nut job... ha ha.

You are also one stupid mother fucker...

[Zod]

Coole... coole....!

[W-Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 1, 2023 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> > Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.
>

>> This section easily fulfills Penhead's request for your thoughts on Buk, Doc:
>>
>> ********************************
>> It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
>> his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
>> compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
>> memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
>> better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
>>
>> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
>> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
>> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>>
>> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>> killed her."
>>
>> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>> *********************************

> You're an imbecile, Stink.

> I asked for a *critical analysis* of a poem

So what, I'm not here to answer all your demands, Pendragon.

Like Zod says, you're:

"A control freak on an ego trip."

HTH and HAND.

[W.Dockery]

>> >> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>> >> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
>> > I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.
>> Thanks again, Zod.
>>
>> Charles Bukowski is an obvious influence on my poetry style.

> Your poetry makes Charles Bukowski

Says Michael Pendragon, the delusional nutjob who thinks he's a better poet than T.S. Eliot.

HTH and HAND.

[Will Dockery]

Agreed, good find

[W.Dockery]

>> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>
>> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>
>> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.

Good morning my friend, again, good find.

🙂

[Will Dockery]

Good memories, I had forgotten Barfield's boat.

🙂

[Zod]

On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:28:58 PM UTC-4, Your Increeasingly Loving Jinn wrote:
> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:67d03$46a65e4f$18d62320$20...@KNOLOGY.NET...

>
> >> > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!

> :)

> >>
> >> Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
> >> be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
> >> same Naturalistic style.

> There are numerous court cases involving artistic style,
> but only related to graphic art that has an easily discernable style.

> >>
> >> That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
> >> poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
> >> inventor, just an exemplar.

> Radio DJs make the poets look sick.

> >
> > Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to Buk...
> > never really saw her as the Barfly type...

> Ah, okay...
> AJ
> >
> > --

> > "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
> > http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
> >
> > "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
> > http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

Is this Corey...?

[Will Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:28:58 PM UTC-4, Your Increeasingly Loving Jinn wrote:
>> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:67d03$46a65e4f$18d62320$20...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>>
>> >> > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
>> :)
>> >>
>> >> Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
>> >> be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
>> >> same Naturalistic style.
>> There are numerous court cases involving artistic style,
>> but only related to graphic art that has an easily discernable style.
>> >>
>> >> That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
>> >> poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
>> >> inventor, just an exemplar.
>> Radio DJs make the poets look sick.
>> >
>> > Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to Buk...
>> > never really saw her as the Barfly type...
>> Ah, okay...
>> AJ
>> >

>> > --
>> > "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>> > http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>> >
>> > "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>> > http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

> Is this Corey...?

No, that was the late Tom Bishop.

[General-Zod]

Was it the big pontoon boat...?

[W-Dockery]

Tom Bishop.

[Zod]

On Sunday, February 5, 2023 at 9:57:35 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:

OK I remember hearing about him but he died before I could meet Tom....

[W.Dockery]

I liked Tom Bishop, a very creative poet.

[W-Dockery]

This was Barfield's sailboat.

[Will Dockery]

I've noticed that Corey and Tom had similar personality traits, but definitely are different people.

[Zod]

baloney wrote:
> On Jul 24, 2:56 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
> > > "Vera" wrote
>
> > > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >
> > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > > > part rather than that essential last line.
> >

> > > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
> >

Cool discussion of the one and only Buk....!

[W-Dockery]

Agreed, good times.

[Zod]

Indeed, a better group membership back then it seems....

[W.Dockery]

Since most of the posters are nothing but thugs and trolls, Now, yes.

:)

[Zod]

On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:45:14 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
>

> >> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
> >> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
> >> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
> >> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
> >> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
> >> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
> >> killed her."
> >> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
> >> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
> >> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
> >> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.

> >> --
> >> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
> >> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
> >> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
> >> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>

> > I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.

> Good find, Zod.

I thank....

[W-Dockery]

This was the small sailboat Barfield brought back with him from Florida, back in 2007.

[Will Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> On Tuesday, January 31, 2023 at 11:45:14 PM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
>> Zod wrote:
>>

>> >> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
>> >> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>> >> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>> >> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
>> >> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>> >> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>> >> killed her."
>> >> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>> >> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>> >> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>> >> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.

>> >> --
>> >> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
>> >> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
>> >> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>>
>> > I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.
>> Good find, Zod.

> I thank....

Good morning my friend, hope you and Mike are having a great Sunday morning.

[W-Dockery]

Good morning my friend, thanks again for helping keep the record straight.

🙂

[General-Zod]

Heard of that fellow but never did meet him....

[Zod]

On Wednesday, July 25, 2007 at 10:06:19 AM UTC-4, baloney wrote:

> On Jul 24, 2:56 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
> > > "Vera" wrote
>
> > > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >
> > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > > > part rather than that essential last line.
> >

> > > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
> >

> > > > > Thank you!
> >
> > > > > Vera
> >
> > > > huh? you're copying Bukowski? I think you like
> > > > yourself WAY too much for there to ever be
> > > > any confusion about the two.
> >
> > > I think someone else compared Vera's style to Buk's, and she doesn't
> > > know much about him, so she is curious.
> >
> > Probably the "chopped-up-prose" thing, I guess,
> >
> > > Someone at the local strip mall said the old man looked like Jimmy
> > > Buffet, so he asked me who he is for much the same reason. My answer
> > > was, "Well, he isn't Warren Buffet; I think he's a musician." I
> > > looked up Jimmy Buffet, and excepting the ubiquitous Hawaiian shirt, I
> > > still think the old man looks more like Teddy Roosevelt. "Bully!"
> >
> > Interesting that Buffett /and/ Roosevelt come to mind constantly when
> > I'm around Barfield, he's got the swashbucking sailor-rough riding
> > warrior poet thing down, and have lived it since I first met him as a
> > kid.

> The old man only looks like Teddy. The old salts I knew were my
> father's friends, but they weren't poets. I spent a lot time on boats
> as a kid. I cleaned a lot of fish, caught some too.
> Anyway, Barfield, whom I only know from what you've written, seems
> like a character from a southern gothic novel, eccentric, a little
> wild, interesting. I can't fault others for eccentricity, but I'm a
> mousy eccentric.
> >

> It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't. I
> like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain
> appeal. In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
> influenced by Buk.

> > Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
> > of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
> > poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
> > there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
> > time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
> >
> > "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
> > killed her."
> >
> > and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
> > friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
> > where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
> > they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
> >

> Post one when you find it.
> Have fun with the boat. I usually get a boat fixing chore put on me
> when I visit my sister.

Is this Karen T.....?

[W-Dockery]

Tom passed away about fifteen years ago.

[W.Dockery]

Yes.

🙂

[General-Zod]

Sorry to hear that.... what happened to him...?

[W-Dockery]

Again, Tom Bishop, rumored to have committed suicide.

R.I.P.

[Zod]

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 8:50:13 AM UTC-5, W-Dockery wrote:
> Zod wrote:
> > On Tuesday, July 24, 2007 at 6:28:58 PM UTC-4, Your Increeasingly Loving Jinn wrote:
> >> "Will Dockery" <will.d...@knology.net> wrote in message news:67d03$46a65e4f$18d62320$20...@KNOLOGY.NET...
>

> >> >> Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
> >> >> be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
> >> >> same Naturalistic style.
> >> There are numerous court cases involving artistic style,
> >> but only related to graphic art that has an easily discernable style.
> >> >>
> >> >> That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
> >> >> poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
> >> >> inventor, just an exemplar.
> >> Radio DJs make the poets look sick.
> >> >
> >> > Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to Buk...
> >> > never really saw her as the Barfly type...
> >> Ah, okay...
> >> AJ
>

> > Is this Corey...?
> Again, Tom Bishop, rumored to have committed suicide.
>
> R.I.P.

Oh, sad... so fucking sad....

[W.Dockery]

Tom Bishop did leave some interesting poetry, archived here under various names.

[Will Dockery]

baloney wrote:
> Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jul 24, 10:00 am, baloney wrote:
> > > "Vera" wrote
>
> > > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >
> > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > > > part rather than that essential last line.
> >

> > > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
> >

With Dan Barfield moving back to town soon, I suspect there will be more boating adventures to come.

:)

[W.Dockery]

I spoke with him on the phone a few times, a good guy.

[Will Donkey]

I heerd Barfly was dyin' of cancer. Any truth to that rumor?

[General-Zod]

Outstanding news...!

[W-Dockery]

Yes, his illness was misdiagnosed.

:)

[General-Zod]

Sure do miss her great posts here...!

[Zod]

On Friday, July 27, 2007 at 1:02:51 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> "baloney" wrote

> > On Jul 24, 2:56 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
> > > his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
> > > compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
> > > memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
> > > better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
> > >
> > It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't.

> Well, the common dislike of Bukowski here is pretty interesting, in light of
> the firestorm of reaction here recently to another "poet" who has much more
> in common with Buk than Vera or Pandora, the
> chopped-up-confessional-prose-verse, the "fucken" plain speaking language,
> the /punch-line/ zinger at the end... Houstman, in a candid moment, might
> call Bukowski's poetry "shit", as he would others using the style... in a
> candid moment, or a confused one.

> > I like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain
> appeal.

> Well, like Blue's poem about Bukowski, and the flood of Buk-wannabes,
> sometimes the navel-gazings laced with "fuckens" and all that are
> interesting and amusing, and liven up a poetry reading since there's usually
> always a punk or two to jump up with that and scare the manager of the joint
> (I remember a few years ago when a host was forced by the managment to
> unplug the mic of Joseph Garcia when he went on and on with a poem about
> "fucking the wide vagina of the universe" or something like that in cosmic,
> sloppy detail... miss old Joe...) but my real favorites are the ones (like
> Houstman, Rimbaud, Ginsberg and... yeah, again, Kerouac) who also include
> the brilliant flashing chains of images with the gritty facts of passing out
> and waking up in the gutter... as I wrote a couple of weeks ago in a post
> that seems to have been passed over (since it got no responses):
> > >I can't agree with that since Kerouac is a quite brilliant poet, in my
> Opinion.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

More Doc on Bukowski and Kerouac ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> > really? how so? how was Kerouac a "brilliant" poet?

Doc's thoughts on the poetry of Jack Kerouac, below:

> In my opinion he was.
> His poems, even more than the other writings, were intended to be flowing
> blasts of image and thought, conciously modeled after the feeling evoked by
> a free jazz saxophonist, and that he made it work, most notably in his
> masterpiece "Mexico City Blues" was pretty brilliant.
> Here's an example from MCB (and an aside to Baloney, if you're reading this,
> [Which I don't know if you did or not]
> I think you might see why I relate Dale Housman's poetry to Beat poems such
> as this, as well as the example of William Burroughs I gave earlier), that
> shows the flow of image on image in Kerouac's brilliant poetry:
> ----
> 230th Chorus
> Love's multitudinous boneyard
> of decay,
> The spilled milk of heroes,
> Destruction of silk kerchiefs
> by dust storm,
> Caress of heroes blindfolded to posts,
> Murder victims admitted to this life,
> Skeletons bartering fingers and joints.
> -Jack Kerouac
> ----
> That's it, my non-expert opinion on why Kerouac was a "brilliant" poet, take
> it or leave it.
> In fact, how about you follow your own "rules" and explain for a few
> paragraphs how Kerouac's poetry was /not/ "brilliant"?
> Nope, you'll no doubt just jeer at "Will Dockery" and manage to avoid
> anything else, am I right?
> Here's Kerouac's "mission statement" on what his poetry was intended, and
> did, achieve:
> "I want to be considered a jazz poet blowing a long blues in an
> afternoon jam session on Sunday. I take 242 choruses; my ideas vary
> and sometimes roll from chorus to chorus or from halfway through a
> chorus to halfway into the next." -Jack Kerouac
> And, sorry, pal, but here's an expert opinion cut-n-paste that supports my
> opinion that Kerouac's poetry is indeed "brilliant":
> "Kerouac is being popularized as an icon of culture - my regret is that
> sight of him as an artist will be lost.. We'll know his name and some work
> considered typical. But we'll miss one of the finest, brightest sensoriums
> that has graced verse with intelligence and intellect. [...] Kerouac is best
> known for his novel "On the Road", but his masterpiece is "Mexico City
> Blues", a religious poem startling in its majesty and comedy and gentleness
> and vision. [...] Kerouac is known worldwide as a novelist. He is sometimes
> also known as the writer of haiku-type poems or intermediate-length poems on
> the subject of Rimbaud or Budhism. But Kerouac is little known as the author
> of several major poems which he considered to be blues works. These books
> include the unpublished Washington D.C. Blues, San Francisco Blues, and
> Berkeley Blues. They range in style from Dos Passos-like descriptive verse
> to poetrylike journals. Outstanding in all modern poetry is the epic- length
> Mexico City Blues. [...] The rules of Mexico City Blues were that they
> should be written on the pages of a pocket notebook such as Kerouac nearly
> always carried. Each page of the notebook would be a chorus. Eventually, in
> the developing structure of the poem, each line becomes a complete, and
> whole, independent image. [...] A further rule of Mexico City Blues was that
> it must all be spontaneous - all a risk - a free, inspired, or noninspired,
> flowing statement, liberated from judgements about its value. It was done
> for itself - as an organism lives for itself." -Michael McClure
> Urm, well, that's where I'm at, or hoping to /get to/.

> > In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
> > influenced by Buk.

> This is the "Ghost of C Earl Nelson", who had a flurry of posts here a week
> or so ago? I read through some of that, and I guess you're right... as far
> as that sort of thing goes, I guess I prefer Chuck's "Perfect Angel" or...
> "Spectre".
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Doc's thoughts on Charles Bukowski, in case any here have missed it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[W-Dockery]

>> as that sort of thing goes, I guess I prefer Chuck's "Perfect Angel" or....

>> "Spectre".
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> Doc's thoughts on Charles Bukowski, in case any here have missed it ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Thanks again for reading and commenting, Zod.

🙂

[Will Dockery]

Zod wrote:

> baloney wrote:

>> > It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though
>> > his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I
>> > compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
>> > memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
>> > better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
>> >

>> It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't. I

>> like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain

>> appeal. In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
>> influenced by Buk.

>> > Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
>> > of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>> > poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>> > there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
>> > time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>> >
>> > "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>> > killed her."
>> >
>> > and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>> > friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>> > where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>> > they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>> >
>> Post one when you find it.
>> Have fun with the boat. I usually get a boat fixing chore put on me
>> when I visit my sister.

> Is this Karen T.....?

Again, yes.

[W.Dockery]

Yes, Karen used the "Baloney" moniker for a while.

[General-Zod]

Sailing up and down the river to the Gulf, count me in....!!

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:
> "Vera" wrote:
> > "Will Dockery" wrote
> > > "George Dance" wrote

> > > > "Vera" wrote:
> >
> > > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >

> > > > Here's a good link (to some poems and some stories as well:)
> > > >http://bukowski.net/poems/

> >
> > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > > > part rather than that essential last line.
> >

> > > > Good idea. I did contact Harper Collins (who owns the rights) to get
> > > > permission to put a poem up, but they require a letter and 4-6
> > > > weeks.
> > > > Your idea of quoting is much better. So here's a quote from one I
> > > > liked from the above site:
> >
> > > > <quote>
> > > > magical mystery tour
> >
> > > > I am in this low-slung sports car
> > > > painted a deep, rich yellow
> > > > driving under an Italian sun.
> > > > I have a British accent.
> > > > I'm wearing dark shades
> > > > an expensive silk shirt.
> > > > there's no dirt under my
> > > > fingernails.
> > > > the radio plays Vivaldi
> > > > and there are two women with
> > > > me
> > > > one with raven hair
> > > > the other a blonde.
> > > > they have small breasts and
> > > > beautiful legs
> > > > and they laugh at everything I
> > > > say.
> >
> > > > [...]
> >
> > > > after lunch we will have a
> > > > flat tire on the other side of
> > > > the mountain
> > > > and the blonde will change the
> > > > tire
> > > > while
> > > > raven hair
> > > > photographs me
> > > > lighting my pipe
> > > > leaning against a tree
> > > > the perfect background
> > > > perfectly at peace
> > > > with
> > > > sunlight
> > > > flowers
> > > > clouds
> > > > birds
> > > > everywhere.
> > > > </q>

> >
> > > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
> >

> > > > Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
> > > > be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
> > > > same Naturalistic style.
> >

> > > > That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
> > > > poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
> > > > inventor, just an exemplar.
> >

> > > Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to
> > Buk...
> > > never really saw her as the Barfly type...
> >

> > I'm not. However, on a hot day, I've popped into a bar for a glass
> > of beer between shopping. I don't feel comfortable being on my own
> > so don't stay long. I treat myself to scotch & dry before a dental
> > appointment. That way, I don't hate the dentist.
> I tend to stay away from bars on hot days because they're so dark and
> cool that I dread going back outside until after nightfall... and
> stepping outside into the sunshine and sometimes 100+ degree
> surroundings is quite a shock, no matter how well prepared for it I
> think I may be...
> There's the film "Barfly" (with Faye Dunnaway!) which gives a
> fictionalized version of Bukowski, that's worth looking for... and
> here's a good group of Buk's poems:
> http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/charles_bukowski/poems

Love that Mickey Roark and Fay D. movie... and Buk lives on...!

[W.Dockery]

Agreed, excellent film.

[Zod]

Saw it when I was in the Navy

[W.Dockery]

Criterion has it out on DVD, or did at one point.

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Jul 25, 8:54 am, "Vera" wrote:
> > "Will Dockery" wrote
> > > "George Dance" wrote

Cool... old school looking web site... !!

[W.Dockery]

Quite excellent.

🙂

[Zod]

Ha ha... agreed and seconded....!!

[W.Dockery]

A good daydream, but Dan Barfield has been known to make it happen.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

Good afternoon, my friend.

🙂

[Zod]

Howdy....!

[General-Zod]

Yep:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M3RmWRcYhc

[W-Dockery]

Fantastic clip.

[W-Dockery]

Hello there, Zod.

🙂

[W.Dockery]

Yes, he's looking for a house here, definitely good news.

[General-Zod]

Hardly ever see this movie on DVD, do you...?

[General-Zod]

> Hello there, Zod.

Good day to you kind sir...!!

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:
> "baloney" wrote

> > Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though

> > > his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was probably when I

> > > compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
> > > memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
> > > better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.
> > >
> > It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't.

> Well, the common dislike of Bukowski here is pretty interesting, in light of
> the firestorm of reaction here recently to another "poet" who has much more
> in common with Buk than Vera or Pandora, the
> chopped-up-confessional-prose-verse, the "fucken" plain speaking language,
> the /punch-line/ zinger at the end... Houstman, in a candid moment, might
> call Bukowski's poetry "shit", as he would others using the style... in a
> candid moment, or a confused one.

> > I like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain
> appeal.

> Well, like Blue's poem about Bukowski, and the flood of Buk-wannabes,
> sometimes the navel-gazings laced with "fuckens" and all that are
> interesting and amusing, and liven up a poetry reading since there's usually
> always a punk or two to jump up with that and scare the manager of the joint
> (I remember a few years ago when a host was forced by the managment to
> unplug the mic of Joseph Garcia when he went on and on with a poem about
> "fucking the wide vagina of the universe" or something like that in cosmic,
> sloppy detail... miss old Joe...) but my real favorites are the ones (like
> Houstman, Rimbaud, Ginsberg and... yeah, again, Kerouac) who also include
> the brilliant flashing chains of images with the gritty facts of passing out
> and waking up in the gutter... as I wrote a couple of weeks ago in a post
> that seems to have been passed over (since it got no responses):
> > >I can't agree with that since Kerouac is a quite brilliant poet, in my
> Opinion.

> > really? how so? how was Kerouac a "brilliant" poet?

> whole,independent image. [...] A further rule of Mexico City Blues was that

> it must all be spontaneous - all a risk - a free, inspired, or noninspired,
> flowing statement, liberated from judgements about its value. It was done
> for itself - as an organism lives for itself." -Michael McClure
> Urm, well, that's where I'm at, or hoping to /get to/.

> > In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
> > influenced by Buk.

> This is the "Ghost of C Earl Nelson", who had a flurry of posts here a week
> or so ago? I read through some of that, and I guess you're right... as far
> as that sort of thing goes, I guess I prefer Chuck's "Perfect Angel" or...

> "Spectre".

Again, well put....!

[W.Dockery]

Good afternoon my friend, I hope you and Mike are enjoying the Springtime weather today.

🙂

[General-Zod]

Great news....!!

[W.Dockery]

Pretty much never, it is a rare one.

[W-Dockery]

Good afternoon, thanks again for reading and commenting.

🙂

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:

> On Jul 25, 8:54 am, "Vera" wrote:
> > "Will Dockery" wrote
> > > "George Dance" wrote

> There's the film "Barfly" (with Faye Dunaway!) which gives a

> fictionalized version of Bukowski, that's worth looking for... and
> here's a good group of Buk's poems:
> http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/charles_bukowski/poems

> --
> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

Barfly - "Eternal Answer..." - Mickey Rourke x Faye Dunaway x Alice Krige x Jack Nance
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2pKZqipHgo

[W-Dockery]

Good afternoon, text me or stop by for more details.

[Zod]

Will Dockery wrote:
> "Vera" wrote:
> > "Will Dockery" wrote
> > > "George Dance" wrote

> > > > On Jul 23, 3:48 pm, "Vera" wrote:
>
> > > > > His name suggests a Polish background.
> >
> > > > > I found little of his poetry in Google, but maybe I didn't
> > > > > search well enough. Don't have that much time on the net--
> >

> > > > Here's a good link (to some poems and some stories as well:)
> > > >http://bukowski.net/poems/
> >

> > > > > Would someone be so kind as to post something of his
> > > > > (not in complete form, of course!) Best to leave out a middle
> > > > > part rather than that essential last line.
> >

> > > > > At least I should know whose style I'm copying!
> >

> > > > Hey, I never said you were copying Bukowski; a glance at dates should
> > > > be enough to dispel that idea. What I said is that you wrote in the
> > > > same Naturalistic style.
> >
> > > > That Naturalism or "Realism" already looked dominant in cntemporary
> > > > poetry in the early 70s (here in Canada, anyway). Bukowski's not its
> > > > inventor, just an exemplar.
> >
> > > Ah, okay... I was really wondering where Vera came to be compared to
> > Buk...
> > > never really saw her as the Barfly type...
> >
> > I'm not. However, on a hot day, I've popped into a bar for a glass
> > of beer between shopping. I don't feel comfortable being on my own
> > so don't stay long. I treat myself to scotch & dry before a dental
> > appointment. That way, I don't hate the dentist.
> I tend to stay away from bars on hot days because they're so dark and
> cool that I dread going back outside until after nightfall... and
> stepping outside into the sunshine and sometimes 100+ degree
> surroundings is quite a shock, no matter how well prepared for it I
> think I may be...

> There's the film "Barfly" (with Faye Dunnaway!) which gives a

> fictionalized version of Bukowski, that's worth looking for... and
> here's a good group of Buk's poems:
> http://famouspoetsandpoems.com/poets/charles_bukowski/poems
> --
> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery

Good day and again.... well put.....!

[W-Dockery]

Great film, hopefully I'll run across a DVD copy again one day soon.

:)

[General-Zod]

A great amount of BARFLY is visible on YOUTUBE

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=barfly+movie

[W.Dockery]

Good afternoon my friend, hope you and Mike are doing well today

🙂

[W-Dockery]

Good find.

[General-Zod]

Hi there, enjoying the bright sunshine on side of river, with Mike, doing some fishing and conversing, come join if you wish...!

[General-Zod]

Okay... will do...!

[W-Dockery]

Good morning, I'll get downtown again one of these days.

🙂

[Zod]

You know where the camp is...!

[Zod]

On Wednesday, March 22, 2023 at 9:08:44 AM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Tuesday, March 21, 2023 at 11:45:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Zod wrote:

> > >> It probably goes without saying that Buk's one of my favorites, though

> > >> his name hasn't come up much lately (the last time was prbably when I

> > >> compared Chuck's "shock" style to Buk)... Dale Houstman gave me a very
> > >> memorable paperback book blurb quote when he wrote that I was "...a
> > >> better poet than Bukowski..." or something similar.

> > >> Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
> > >> of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
> > >> poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
> > >> there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
> > >> time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
> > >> "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
> > >> killed her."
> > >> and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
> > >> friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
> > >> where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
> > >> they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.

> > >> --
> > >> "God's Toybox" by Dockery-Beck:
> > >> http://www.myspace.com/shadowvilleallstars
> > >> "Hasty Pudding" by Dockery-Conley:
> > >> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
> >

> > > I know Penhead will enjoy this one... ha ha.
> > Good find, Zod.
> If you think

Not seeing much thinking going on from your camp, you silly little mother fucker....!

[W.Dockery]

General-Zod wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:

>> baloney wrote:
>>> Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> The old man only looks like Teddy. The old salts I knew were my
>>> father's friends, but they weren't poets. I spent a lot time on boats
>>> as a kid. I cleaned a lot of fish, caught some too.
>>> Anyway, Barfield, whom I only know from what you've written, seems
>>> like a character from a southern gothic novel, eccentric, a little
>>> wild, interesting. I can't fault others for eccentricity, but I'm a
>>> mousy eccentric.
>>> >

>>> It doesn't surprise me that you'd like Buk and Houstman wouldn't. I

>>> like Buk in small doses; he's not my favorite, but there is a certain

>>> appeal. In case you haven't noticed, Earl Nelson's work is highly
>>> influenced by Buk.

>>> > Anyhow, I don't have the book handy and no time to Google (a few hours
>>> > of sailboat repair await today) but "Boarding House Madrigals" is the
>>> > poetry book of Buk's I'd name as a favorite out of the dozens out
>>> > there, containing many favorites which were fun to read aloud when the
>>> > time came to wake up the audience. The one where Buk writes
>>> >
>>> > "...My old lady wouldn't let me sleep..." a few more lines "...so I
>>> > killed her."
>>> >
>>> > and the one where he wakes up from a drunken night and finds his
>>> > friend with his big toes in his old lady's... well, you can guess
>>> > where, or know the poem already... I might look these up later, if
>>> > they're online somewhere, and post them here... great stuff.
>>> >

>>> Post one when you find it.
>>> Have fun with the boat. I usually get a boat fixing chore put on me
>>> when I visit my sister.

>> With Dan Barfield moving back to town soon, I suspect there will be more boating adventures to come.

>

> Sailing up and down the river to the Gulf, count me in....!!

Exploring the backwaters.

🙂

[Zod]

I know those well from earlier days...!!