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Song and Poems and Stories are NOT necessarilly autobiographical!!!
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jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 3, 2022, 2:00:05 PM12/3/22
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It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Zod
Dec 3, 2022, 4:05:52 PM12/3/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
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> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Steely Dan is one of the best examples....
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> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Steely Dan is one of the best examples....
Will Dockery
Dec 3, 2022, 4:42:51 PM12/3/22
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 3, 2022, 6:06:35 PM12/3/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>
However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
As a writer, my works are rarely autobiographical, although they do include some autobiographical elements. I have written only two autobiographical short stories ("The Blue Jay" and "My Favorite Song"), and several others that were loosely based on my personal experiences. Only one of my poems, "Love Thy Neighbor," is autobiographical -- and it only depicts an unfulfilled desire:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUNEz7YDJs
Fortunately, I moved.
NancyGene
Dec 3, 2022, 6:51:43 PM12/3/22
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> Fortunately, I moved.
But the neighbor stayed there...forever?
Michael Pendragon
Dec 3, 2022, 7:16:52 PM12/3/22
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NancyGene
Dec 3, 2022, 7:38:56 PM12/3/22
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Dennis Rowan
Dec 3, 2022, 7:57:56 PM12/3/22
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Savagely funny!!
Will Dockery
Dec 3, 2022, 11:25:36 PM12/3/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
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> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
As Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
"Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
🙂
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 12:16:18 AM12/4/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> >
> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>
> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> >
> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>
> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 1:02:06 AM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 1:08:22 AM12/4/22
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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:16:18 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > >
> > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
> >
> > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
> There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
Bullshit, Donkey.
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > >
> > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
> >
> > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
> There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
George has said that his father built a house-in-a-box, and he has said that all the boys in his house were subjected to corporal punishment. That's about half of the poem's content right there.
So what part did George make up? Having to take his shoes off before going inside? Not being allowed to play like other kids? Wanting to buy his father's house and burn it down?
It really doesn't matter, because the bare-assed whipping scene is the one we've been discussing, and anyone who's experienced corporal punishment has felt the sting of a belt more than once.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 1:18:07 AM12/4/22
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Wrong, Pendragon, because the poet has the final word as to the meaning and intent of his poetry.
George Dance has stated several times now that your interpretation of his poem is mistaken.
HTH and HAND.
George Dance has stated several times now that your interpretation of his poem is mistaken.
HTH and HAND.
W.Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 2:50:32 AM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:16:18 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>> > >
>> > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>> >
>> > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
>> There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
> Bullshit
No it isn't, little monkey.
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 12:16:18 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>> > >
>> > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>> >
>> > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
>> There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
> Bullshit
🙂
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 3:00:58 AM12/4/22
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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 1:18:07 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Wrong, Pendragon, because the poet has the final word as to the meaning and intent of his poetry.
>
> George Dance has stated several times now that your interpretation of his poem is mistaken.
A poem is open to interpretation, Donkey.
> Wrong, Pendragon, because the poet has the final word as to the meaning and intent of his poetry.
>
> George Dance has stated several times now that your interpretation of his poem is mistaken.
George's statements are not.
George has stated the following:
1) That the poem was "largely based on" his own experiences,
2) That the boys in his house were subject to corporal punishment,
3) That his father built a house-in-the-box.
Since the father in the poem builds a house-in-the-box and subjects his son (the speaker) to corporal punishment, and since the poem is "largely based on" George's personal experience, it is not a matter of question that the boy in the poem who got whipped with his daddy's belt was George.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 3:01:20 AM12/4/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 3:10:31 AM12/4/22
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Sure, there are elements from George Dance's childhood in the poem, but not all the details in the poem are autobiographical, as George has repeatedly stated.
HTH and HAND.
HTH and HAND.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 3:18:48 AM12/4/22
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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:10:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Sure, there are elements from George Dance's childhood in the poem, but not all the details in the poem are autobiographical, as George has repeatedly stated.
Possibly. But from George's *statements,* he was clearly the bare-assed little boy.
> Sure, there are elements from George Dance's childhood in the poem, but not all the details in the poem are autobiographical, as George has repeatedly stated.
Apparently he's still... wait for it... butt-hurt over the events in the poem, but that's no reason for you to pretend it never happened.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 3:21:38 AM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 4:21:49 AM12/4/22
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But we both already know that, don't we?
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 9:10:32 AM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:21:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:18:48 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:10:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> > > Sure, there are elements from George Dance's childhood in the poem, but not all the details in the poem are autobiographical, as George has repeatedly stated.
>> > Possibly. But from George's *statements,* he was clearly the bare-assed little boy.
>> >
>> > Apparently he's still... wait for it... butt-hurt over the events in the poem, but that's no reason for you to pretend it never happened.
>> If I remember correctly, George Dance denied that.
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:21:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:18:48 AM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:10:31 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> > > Sure, there are elements from George Dance's childhood in the poem, but not all the details in the poem are autobiographical, as George has repeatedly stated.
>> > Possibly. But from George's *statements,* he was clearly the bare-assed little boy.
>> >
>> > Apparently he's still... wait for it... butt-hurt over the events in the poem, but that's no reason for you to pretend it never happened.
>> If I remember correctly, George Dance denied that.
> If George denied that he was the boy
George Dance has stated that certain aspects of the characters in the poem are fictional, yes.
I'm sure you already know that, though, Pendragon.
HTH and HAND.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 10:46:34 AM12/4/22
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But I'm sure you already know that as well.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 10:52:45 AM12/4/22
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I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
HTH and HAND.
HTH and HAND.
Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 10:55:52 AM12/4/22
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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
I quoted his statements, Donkey.
> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
What's scrawny, white and red all over?
George's butt.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 10:59:18 AM12/4/22
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Like I said, I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
And on that note:
Ping: George J. Dance.
🙂
And on that note:
Ping: George J. Dance.
🙂
ME
Dec 4, 2022, 11:13:02 AM12/4/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 11:17:09 AM12/4/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:05:52 jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
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> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
🙂
Spam-I-Am
Dec 4, 2022, 12:58:36 PM12/4/22
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If I can connect with the story, poem or song, and it resonates on a personal level, then I’m satisfied.
Family Guy
Dec 4, 2022, 1:40:16 PM12/4/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that
...you aren't a trolling scumbag?
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that
> a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical!
Is this about George talking about his sad childhood of physical and mental abuse?
>this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
A lot of typos in that statement there, champ. Even with them, you still sounded like an idiot.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 2:06:33 PM12/4/22
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🙂
Spam-I-Am
Dec 4, 2022, 2:10:03 PM12/4/22
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sounds to me a bit like the slow drip of ketchup
from a bottle onto a burger at a bar with a beer,
as I read in anticipatory elation of every word.
In short, I think you’re swell. Have a nice day.
Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 2:22:08 PM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
> I quoted his statements
You quoted George's poetry, not actually statements.
HTH and HAND.
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
You quoted George's poetry, not actually statements.
HTH and HAND.
General-Zod
Dec 4, 2022, 3:54:23 PM12/4/22
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 4, 2022, 5:53:03 PM12/4/22
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Find a line in George's poem where he says it's "largely based on" his own experiences.
Find a line in George's poem where he says that all the boys in his house were subject to corporal punishment.
Did you even bother to read George's poem? (Rhetorical question.)
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2022, 10:35:04 PM12/4/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 4, 2022, 10:36:50 PM12/4/22
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🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 4, 2022, 10:37:38 PM12/4/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 5, 2022, 1:28:26 AM12/5/22
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🙂
W.Dockery
Dec 5, 2022, 2:29:01 AM12/5/22
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As I wrote earlier, George Dance can speak for himself, he doesn't need you or I to speculate about his meaning and intent.
Here's some of what George Dance has to say about his poem:
"It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
over a decade makes that much clearer.
As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
but I wanted to keep that hidden.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's some of what George Dance has to say about the poem. ^^^^^^^
For starters.
Here's some of what George Dance has to say about his poem:
"It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
over a decade makes that much clearer.
As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
but I wanted to keep that hidden.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Here's some of what George Dance has to say about the poem. ^^^^^^^
For starters.
Will Dockery
Dec 5, 2022, 12:06:38 PM12/5/22
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Michael Pendragon lied:
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon lied:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
No, you're lying, as usual, Pendragon.
Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon, you sleazy shit spewing little monkey?
🙂
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, Michael Pendragon lied:
> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> > > >
> > > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
> > >
> > > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
> > There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
>
> George has said
> > > Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
> > >
> > > However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
> > There are elements of autobiography in George Dance's poem, but it isn't exactly based on his life, as we know.
>
No, you're lying, as usual, Pendragon.
Again, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, Michael Pendragon, you sleazy shit spewing little monkey?
🙂
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Ash Wurthing
Dec 5, 2022, 4:38:18 PM12/5/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 6:06:35 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUNEz7YDJs
>
> Fortunately, I moved.
Nice work. Also nice humor...
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> >
> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>
> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
>
> As a writer, my works are rarely autobiographical, although they do include some autobiographical elements. I have written only two autobiographical short stories ("The Blue Jay" and "My Favorite Song"), and several others that were loosely based on my personal experiences. Only one of my poems, "Love Thy Neighbor," is autobiographical -- and it only depicts an unfulfilled desire:
> Anyone who writes knows that most writing is not autobiographical.
>
> However, when the poet says that his poem was "largely based on personal experience," one can assume that it's mostly autobiographical. Which covers George Dance (who, as you should be aware, is currently debating whether his poem that was "largely based on personal experience" is therefore "largely autobiographical"), and who seems to have been the inspiration for this post.
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHUNEz7YDJs
>
> Fortunately, I moved.
Nice work. Also nice humor...
Zod
Dec 5, 2022, 4:38:52 PM12/5/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Hi J.C.
Well put....!
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Hi J.C.
Well put....!
Will Dockery
Dec 5, 2022, 6:21:31 PM12/5/22
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:)
Conley Brothers
Dec 6, 2022, 11:47:40 PM12/6/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Shut the fuck up, Mr Obvious. In Dockery's case, he has admitted that the garbage he writes is mostly autobiographical.
Will Dockery
Dec 7, 2022, 1:15:18 AM12/7/22
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🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 7, 2022, 9:09:20 AM12/7/22
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W.Dockery
Dec 7, 2022, 4:20:14 PM12/7/22
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jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
🙂
> On Sunday Will Dockery wrote:
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> > >> Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>
>> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> > >> Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>
>> > hola Will
>> Hello there, Jordy.
>>
>
> Shalom Will
Good afternoon, my friend.
>> Hello there, Jordy.
>>
>
> Shalom Will
🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 7, 2022, 4:39:15 PM12/7/22
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W-Dockery
Dec 7, 2022, 6:50:12 PM12/7/22
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>> > Shalom Will
>> Good afternoon, my friend.
>
> bonjour, Will
Hello there, Jordy.
>> Good afternoon, my friend.
>
> bonjour, Will
:)
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 7, 2022, 11:40:06 PM12/7/22
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Family Guy
Dec 8, 2022, 1:44:38 AM12/8/22
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W.Dockery
Dec 8, 2022, 8:25:14 AM12/8/22
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Family Guy wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:40:06 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> >> > >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) > in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical....
> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 11:40:06 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 6:50:12 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, December 7, 2022 at 4:20:14 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > >> jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > > >> Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > >> > Shalom Will
>> > >> Good afternoon, my friend.
>> > >
>> > > bonjour, Will
>> > Hello there, Jordy.
>> >
>> > :)
>> hola Will
> WILL YOU ASSHOLES SHUT UP
You could consider trying that, yourself?
>> > >> > > >> Back to the topic, well put, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > >> > Shalom Will
>> > >> Good afternoon, my friend.
>> > >
>> > > bonjour, Will
>> > Hello there, Jordy.
>> >
>> > :)
>> hola Will
> WILL YOU ASSHOLES SHUT UP
🙂
Will Dockery
Dec 8, 2022, 5:23:58 PM12/8/22
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> >
>
> hola Will
Good afternoon, my friend, I hope your day is going great.
:)
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Will Dockery
Dec 8, 2022, 6:01:41 PM12/8/22
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On Thursday, December 8, 2022 at 5:55:01 PM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> Fucking Donkey.
Says the Burro.
:)
Says the Burro.
:)
Will Dockery
Dec 9, 2022, 10:11:28 AM12/9/22
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On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 4:05:52 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
Great band.
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
> Steely Dan is one of the best examples....
> >
> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
>
Great band.
George J. Dance
Dec 9, 2022, 2:25:09 PM12/9/22
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On 2022-12-03 2:00 p.m., jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Thanks for posting that, Jordy. It's probably the best original piece
you've posted here: on-topic, supported by argument and example, and
reasonable in tone throughout. Since some seem to want to discuss the
ubject further, though, let me ask you a follow-up question:
Suppose you read a songwriter or poet describing the main character of a
song or poem in this way: "The boy is a composite; largely based on my
own experience, but with some details other men have told me about their
childhoods."
https://groups.google.com/u/0/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JMaPb2xVZyU/m/NFVZaZzaUgoJ?hl=en
Would you assume that that song or poem was autobiographical? Do you
think anyone must assume that?
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarilly autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themeselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were bascially writing satiricle sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements incliuded in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similiar to the ones experianced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Thanks for posting that, Jordy. It's probably the best original piece
you've posted here: on-topic, supported by argument and example, and
reasonable in tone throughout. Since some seem to want to discuss the
ubject further, though, let me ask you a follow-up question:
Suppose you read a songwriter or poet describing the main character of a
song or poem in this way: "The boy is a composite; largely based on my
own experience, but with some details other men have told me about their
childhoods."
https://groups.google.com/u/0/g/alt.arts.poetry.comments/c/JMaPb2xVZyU/m/NFVZaZzaUgoJ?hl=en
Would you assume that that song or poem was autobiographical? Do you
think anyone must assume that?
W-Dockery
Dec 9, 2022, 2:40:18 PM12/9/22
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🙂
Coco DeSockmonkey
Dec 9, 2022, 2:41:04 PM12/9/22
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If "based on personal experience" = "autobiographical," then "largely based on personal experience" = "largely autobiographical."
Will Dockery
Dec 9, 2022, 2:57:47 PM12/9/22
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HTH and HAND.
Family Guy
Dec 9, 2022, 2:59:54 PM12/9/22
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Coco DeSockmonkey
Dec 9, 2022, 3:06:04 PM12/9/22
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George has already admitted that the boys in his house were subject to corporal punishment, which means that the bare-assed stanza is one of the true parts.
W-Dockery
Dec 9, 2022, 3:45:20 PM12/9/22
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It /might/ mean that.
HTH and HAND.
Coco DeSockmonkey
Dec 9, 2022, 3:55:07 PM12/9/22
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W.Dockery
Dec 9, 2022, 4:00:13 PM12/9/22
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Specific details may be fictionalized in the poem.
HTH and HAND.
Zod
Dec 9, 2022, 4:08:05 PM12/9/22
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On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 9, 2022, 9:30:07 PM12/9/22
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On Friday, December 9, 2022 at 2:25:09 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
W.Dockery
Dec 10, 2022, 2:10:18 PM12/10/22
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🙂
W.Dockery
Dec 13, 2022, 1:45:13 AM12/13/22
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jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Good morning Jordy, again, well put.
🙂
>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Good morning Jordy, again, well put.
🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 13, 2022, 9:53:02 AM12/13/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 13, 2022, 4:34:21 PM12/13/22
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Hope you're having a great afternoon.
🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 13, 2022, 4:47:28 PM12/13/22
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W.Dockery
Dec 13, 2022, 9:55:13 PM12/13/22
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🙂
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 14, 2022, 9:05:26 AM12/14/22
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2022, 1:12:30 PM12/14/22
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On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:53:02 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
:)
Ash Wurthing
Dec 14, 2022, 2:21:55 PM12/14/22
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You're definitely not a poet or writer and seeing what satisfies you, shows that you're easy to please...
Your title would be catchier as: "Songs*, stories and poems are not necessarily** autobiographical"
also I would:
* make 'Song' plural since the rest of your subject list are plurals
** change 'necessarilly' to 'necessarily'
Now 'song' could be used if change the form of the other subjects to:
"Song, Story and Poetry are not necessarily** autobiographical"
Still I would also:
** change 'necessarilly' to 'necessarily'
"All you zombies hide your faces,
All you people in the street,
All you sittin' in high places,
The rain's gonna fall on you"
-- 'All You Zombies' ~~The Hooters
"We're living, living like we're dead
You're living, living like there's sickness in your head
I'm only guilty of surviving
You're all guilty of playing both sides and
Where there are zombies there are rats
And where I'm from rats get the axe"
-- 'Red Queen' ~~KING 810
W.Dockery
Dec 14, 2022, 3:55:14 PM12/14/22
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
> I quoted his statements, Donkey.
> What's scrawny, white and red all over?
> George's butt.
So, you call that the "high road"?
> On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 10:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> I'll let George Dance speak for himself, just as he doesn't need you putting words in his mouth either, Pendragon.
> I quoted his statements, Donkey.
> What's scrawny, white and red all over?
> George's butt.
So, you call that the "high road"?
jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 14, 2022, 4:10:51 PM12/14/22
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Robert Burrows
Dec 14, 2022, 4:30:53 PM12/14/22
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Ash Wurthing
Dec 14, 2022, 5:11:18 PM12/14/22
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You see, I have come to the conclusion after watching Mr. Chase's poor juvenile social skills and inability to learn from experience (and why I don't come down on him as harshly), that he perhaps is "special" (as in on the spectrum) and that would explain so much about him and what he does.
W-Dockery
Dec 14, 2022, 5:30:16 PM12/14/22
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Hello again, Jordy.
🙂
Robert Burrows
Dec 14, 2022, 5:36:12 PM12/14/22
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jdcha...@gmail.com
Dec 14, 2022, 5:42:20 PM12/14/22
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Robert Burrows
Dec 14, 2022, 5:50:58 PM12/14/22
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Ash Wurthing
Dec 14, 2022, 6:45:44 PM12/14/22
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But I must ask, is all these hellos some kinda "real poetry" that us unreal poets are not privy to? And it isn't just we're all mad here, apparently we're all confused too!
"I don't wake at all
I just stare at the ceiling, at the floor
And stare at the wall
Wish this earth would disappear beneath me
Wish I would fall
My body straight to hell, my bones would break
And I would crawl"
-- 'Comin' Back to You' ~~KING 810
W.Dockery
Dec 14, 2022, 8:05:12 PM12/14/22
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Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:50:58 PM UTC-5, Robert Burrows wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:30:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:12:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:53:02 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > > >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical....
> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:50:58 PM UTC-5, Robert Burrows wrote:
>> On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:42:20 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 5:30:16 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wednesday, December 14, 2022 at 1:12:30 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:53:02 AM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >> > On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 1:45:13 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > >> > > jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> > > Good morning Jordy, again, well put.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > hola Will, thank you
>> > > >> Good afternoon, my friend, great to see a friendly face here today..
>> > > >> > > Good morning Jordy, again, well put.
>> > > >> > >
>> > > >> >
>> > > >> > hola Will, thank you
>> > > >>
>> > > >
>> > > > bonjour, Will
>> > >
>> > > Hello again, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > > 🙂
>> > Shalom, Will
>> https://youtu.be/Q5IS6XVx69k
>
>> > > >
>> > > > bonjour, Will
>> > >
>> > > Hello again, Jordy.
>> > >
>> > > 🙂
>> > Shalom, Will
>> https://youtu.be/Q5IS6XVx69k
>
> is all these hellos some kinda "real poetry"
No, they're just hellos, feel free to skip and ignore.
🙂
W-Dockery
Dec 15, 2022, 9:30:12 PM12/15/22
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Zod wrote:
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
> Steely Dan is one of the best examples....
Yes, a perfect example.
> On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical...
Yes, a perfect example.
W.Dockery
Jan 16, 2023, 5:05:14 AM1/16/23
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Jordy C. wrote:
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> autobiographical.
Again, agreed, Jordy.
>
> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
> autobiographical.
Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
"Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
HTH and HAND.
Jordy C
Jan 16, 2023, 9:53:54 AM1/16/23
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W-Dockery
Jan 16, 2023, 1:55:13 PM1/16/23
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🙂
Jordy C
Jan 17, 2023, 7:40:27 AM1/17/23
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Will Dockery
Jan 17, 2023, 12:45:36 PM1/17/23
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Coco DeSockmonkey
Jan 17, 2023, 2:03:22 PM1/17/23
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Chocolate cha-cha'd til morning was nigh;
Gave his nephew a sloppy Picaso
He's a fart knockin', mud packin' guy.
Will Dockery
Jan 17, 2023, 3:25:37 PM1/17/23
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On Sunday, December 4, 2022 at 3:54:23 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
Karla Rogers knows her poetry, yes.
🙂
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>
> > As Karla Rogers often reminded us:
> > On Saturday, December 3, 2022 at 2:00:05 PM UTC-5, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly autobiographical.
>
>
> > "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> Ms. Karla was a very smart young lady....
> > "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
Karla Rogers knows her poetry, yes.
🙂
Jordy C
Jan 18, 2023, 3:53:09 PM1/18/23
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W-Dockery
Jan 18, 2023, 6:05:14 PM1/18/23
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Jordy C wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 17, 2023 at 12:45:36 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Jordy C wrote:
>
>> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
>> > > >> > autobiographical.
>
>> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> > > > thank you, Will
>
>
>> > > >> > It's odd and puzzling how many people seem to think and believe that a poem or a song or a story is necessarally autobiographical! this is just NOT necessarily so! For example, the song or poem may be written from the POV of a writer's persona, or one of their many personas, or they may be written from the POV of invented characters... the members of Steely Dan, for example, have discussed how people would believe that they were writing about themselves, when they have said they were primarily writing *fiction*, they were basically writing satirical sings told from the point of view of invented characters... now, this doesn't mean that their may not be autobiographical elements included in the song or poem, their may indeed be thoughts and feeling or events included that are at least similar to the ones experienced by the character(s) in the song or poem, but this does not necessarily mean that the poem is by any means strictly
>> > > >> > autobiographical.
>
>> > > >> Again, agreed, Jordy.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Like I said, as Karla Rogers often reminded us:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> "Try not to mistake the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > >>
>> > > >> HTH and HAND.
>> > > > thank you, Will
>
>> Hello again my friend
>
> Shalom, Will
Good afternoon, great to see a friendly face here, my friend.
>
> Shalom, Will
:)
Jordy C
Jan 19, 2023, 10:32:37 PM1/19/23
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W.Dockery
Jan 19, 2023, 11:25:13 PM1/19/23
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Hello again my friend
🙂
Jordy C
Jan 20, 2023, 9:19:05 PM1/20/23
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