Stephan Pickering plagiarizes another poem and no one is surprised

[NancyGene]

Pickering plagiarized Marge Piercy and Jacob Glatstein for his “original” poem. We cut most of the garbage Stephan Pickering wrote, which was undoubtedly stolen from other sources. Below are the most egregious examples of passages that Stephan Pickering has stolen for his “original” poem.

The following section is totally Glatstein’s poem, not just the words in quotes:

[IV.
[Like a tiny candle over each grave,
[a cry will burn,
[each one for itself.
['I am I' --
[thousands of slaughtered I's
[will cry in the night:
['I am dead, unrecognized,
[my blood still unredeemed'.
[-- Ya'akov Glatshteyn / Yankev Glatshteyn / Jacob Glatstein, 1987. 'I have never been here before', p. 111 in: Ya'akov Glatshteyn, 1987. Selected poems of Yankev Glatshteyn [ed./trans. R.J. Fein] (Jewish Publication Society), 1-215 [Yiddish & English]
_______

The below section is stolen from “Growing up Haunted” in “The Art of Blessing the Day: Poems with a Jewish Theme” by Marge Piercy. We have numbered the corresponding lines in each “poem”.

Pickering’s plagiarized version:

the underside of every leaf
is fear (1), shadows (2) gathering (3)
at the foot of our beds (4),
transforming gristle into haze (5),
made real by Hebrew letters
and syllables. (6)
_________

Marge Piercy’s original lines:

FEAR WAS THE UNDERSIDE OF EVERY LEAF (1)
we turned, the knowledge that our
cousins, our other selves, had been
starved and butchered to ghosts.
The question every smoggy morning
presented like a covered dish:
why are you living and all those
mirror selves, sisters, gone
into smoke like stolen cigarettes?

I remember my grandmother’s cry
When she learned the death of all she
Remembered, girls she bathed with,
Young men with whom she shyly
Flirted, wooden shul where
Her father rocked and prayed,
Red haired aunt plucking the
Balalaika, world of sun and snow
Turned to shadows on a yellow page. (2)

Assume no future you may not have
to fight for, to die for, muttered
GHOSTS GATHERED ON THE FOOT (3)
OF MY BED (4) EACH NIGHT. What you
carry in your blood is us,
the books we did not write,
music we could not make, a world
GONE FROM GRISTLE TO SMOKE (5), ONLY
AS REAL NOW AS WORDS CAN MAKE IT. (6)

Piercy's full poem is here:
https://books.google.com/books?id=WT8TAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT120&lpg=PT120&dq=The+art+of+blessing+the+day+Growing+up+Haunted+Marge+Piercy&source=bl&ots=vX6zXp_Vo3&sig=ETlomMeGKRvAfkvvezYsYaQ5wsw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwivm8yZ1NvbAhUytlkKHRWIDz0Q6AEwBnoECAEQSA#v=onepage&q=The%20art%20of%20blessing%20the%20day%20Growing%20up%20Haunted%20Marge%20Piercy&f=false

[NancyGene]

We helpfully posted this to the sampler thread and his standalone thread, for educational purposes. We need to join the glorified free poetry site and let them know that their wonderful new peer-reviewed poet is a fraud and a thief.

[Michael Pendragon]

ROTFLMAO! Pick's the world's first pathological plagiarist!

[NancyGene]

Yes, we were vastly amused. He doesn't think he will get caught, but when he does, he claims that he had the book for 100 years, has been studying the author since 1950, and that everyone is anti-Semitic, which still doesn't excuse the plagiarism. He plagiarizes and still comes up with crap, which means that he needs help even to write badly.

[Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:33:56 PM UTC-7, NancyGene wrote:

Shalom & Boker tov...the lying continues. My lines of the final stanza are my creaton, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence.


STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark

[Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di]

This is an outright lie, coming from an antisemitic cyberstalker who has never published. The last lines of the last stanza are my creation, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence. I also quote from Ya'akov Glatshteyn in my section IV, and give Reb Glatshteyn full credit. STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:50:39 PM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:38:25 PM UTC-7, Chafetz Chayim haYehu'di wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 1:33:56 PM UTC-7, NancyGene wrote:
> >
> > Shalom & Boker tov...the lying continues. My lines of the final stanza are my creaton, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence.
> >
> >
> > STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
> > Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
> > לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
> > THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
> >
> > IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
> > davening in the musematic dark
>
> This is an outright lie,

It sure is, Pick. Everything you say is an outright lie.

[NancyGene]

The odds are astronomically small that Pickering came up with those lines on his own. The subject of Marge Piercy's poem is the Holocaust, and the words are the same or shuffled around a little/similar words substituted. We call thievery. Please sentence him to riding his Hello Old Kitty bike in circles for the rest of his life.

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 2:12:17 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is a liar...

I can easily photocopy, and send to Will Dockery, my handwritten, 3 page draft of the poem dated 18 June 2018. There was no plagiarism, to be sure. NaziGene has never published, but is a documented fabricating cyberstalker. Sorry, everyone, but believing 'her' bullshit is your karma, not mine. I am reminded of the uproar when similarities were discovered between 'Bob Dylan' and Woody Guthrie, between 'Bob Dylan' are others. Poets absorb. NaziGene lies. NaziGene loses once again.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
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לעולם לא אשכח

IN PROGRESS: Shabtai Zisel benAvraham v'Rachel Riva:
davening in the musematic dark

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT

לעולם לא אשכח

[George J. Dance]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:56:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> It sure is, Pick. Everything you say is an outright lie.

Now you're playing IKYABWAI with him, too, are you?

[NancyGene]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:26:54 PM UTC, stephanpi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 2:12:17 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is a liar...
>
> I can easily photocopy, and send to Will Dockery, my handwritten, 3 page draft of the poem dated 18 June 2018.

What good would it do to have a handwritten copy dated today when you put it on aapc on June 17? We don't think you hand-wrote it on your computer screen. Marge Piercy published her poetry collection in 1999, so she beat you by 19 years. Her publisher needs to know that you filched her words.

> There was no plagiarism, to be sure.

You stole words from authors and were caught. You are a plagiarist and a liar who will not admit that he can't write without cribbing from other people's writing.

> NaziGene has never published,
Since you don't know who we are, you have no way of knowing that. Besides, we are now published on All Poetry, which you think is such a great site.

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:30:19 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is still fabricating...

Shalom & Erev tov, Will...my hand-written mss is dated 16 June 2018, with my scribbled corrections. NaziGene did not write it, I did. It was then typed on my keyboard, and published, first, at allpoetry.com, then at aapc facebook. There was no plagiarism of Marge Piercy, nor have I read her book. The fact remains NaziGene is NOT telling the truth, has NOT published, but has an invalidated agenda of libel (cf. 'her' critiques and smears against your videos). Once again, NaziGene is shown to be an illusionist. I have been publishing since late 1969, have been peer-reviewed. NaziGene has no ostensible education, and I am not plagiarising/lying. NaziGene is lying...and 'she' is irrelevant to my ontological authenticity. 'Her' constant libels against me as a Jew / Yehu'di (I am hardly 'fake') are noted, and ignored. 'She' owes me -- and George Dance and Will Dockery - an apology, and 'her' silence.

[Michael Pendragon]

It's a statement of truth, Dunce.

I don't think Pick has ever made a post without at least one lie in it.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:09:07 PM UTC-4, stephanpi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:30:19 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is still fabricating...
>
> Shalom & Erev tov, Will...my hand-written mss is dated 16 June 2018, with my scribbled corrections. NaziGene did not write it, I did. It was then typed on my keyboard, and published, first, at allpoetry.com, then at aapc facebook. There was no plagiarism of Marge Piercy, nor have I read her book. The fact remains NaziGene is NOT telling the truth, has NOT published, but has an invalidated agenda of libel (cf. 'her' critiques and smears against your videos). Once again, NaziGene is shown to be an illusionist. I have been publishing since late 1969, have been peer-reviewed. NaziGene has no ostensible education, and I am not plagiarising/lying. NaziGene is lying...and 'she' is irrelevant to my ontological authenticity. 'Her' constant libels against me as a Jew / Yehu'di (I am hardly 'fake') are noted, and ignored. 'She' owes me -- and George Dance and Will Dockery - an apology, and 'her' silence.
>

Thief.

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:49:06 PM UTC-7, PaedoBarney is1) lying; 2) thoroughly refuted by me:

> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:09:07 PM UTC-4, stephanpi...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:30:19 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is still fabricating...
> >
> > Shalom & Erev tov, Will...my hand-written mss is dated 16 June 2018, with my scribbled corrections. NaziGene did not write it, I did. It was then typed on my keyboard, and published, first, at allpoetry.com, then at aapc facebook. There was no plagiarism of Marge Piercy, nor have I read her book. The fact remains NaziGene is NOT telling the truth, has NOT published, but has an invalidated agenda of libel (cf. 'her' critiques and smears against your videos). Once again, NaziGene is shown to be an illusionist. I have been publishing since late 1969, have been peer-reviewed. NaziGene has no ostensible education, and I am not plagiarising/lying. NaziGene is lying...and 'she' is irrelevant to my ontological authenticity. 'Her' constant libels against me as a Jew / Yehu'di (I am hardly 'fake') are noted, and ignored. 'She' owes me -- and George Dance and Will Dockery - an apology, and 'her' silence.

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 6:48:32 PM UTC-7, PsychoBarney is attempting...something...

> I don't think Pick has ever made a post without at least one lie in it.

Shalom & Erev tov, George...unsurprisingly, PaedoBarney makes a statement about himself, but wants to use me (or his flimsy nomenclature of 'Pick', which I have never been called except by aapc trolls)...

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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לעולם לא אשכח

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...I have never plagiarised Marge Piercy. I have read: 1976. Woman on the edge of time (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-369

I have never read her 'Growing up haunted', and did some research:

1995 'Growing up haunted', Tikkun 10(4):51 [read tonight]

1997 'Growing up haunted', pp. 119-120 in: What are girls made of? (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-159

1999 'Growing up haunted', pp. 108-109 in: The art of blessing the day: poems with a Jewish theme (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-175

I have not read 1997 or 1999. However, based on what I have perused, she can do what the shiksha NaziGene cannot: write with Yehu'dit sensitivity without lying.

[Michael Pendragon]

Thief.

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 8:14:00 PM UTC-7, PaedoLizard fabricates...

PaedoBarney lies. Prove it, troll, using my 16 June 2018 3 page mss written on a wide-ruled legal pad, then entered into the computer.

[Usenet Editor]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 7:54:17 PM UTC, NancyGene wrote:

Great detective work, which absolutely proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the Steven Pickering is a thieving plagiarist. It is no coincidence he has allied himself with a couple of other word thieves.

[Usenet Editor]

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 12:09:07 AM UTC, stephanpi...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:30:19 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is still fabricating...
>
> Shalom & Erev tov, Will...

Dockery has not posted in this thread yet and has wisely avoided it and you. Seeing how he has been banned from sites for his own plagiarism, he can't afford to back up your obviously fraudulent writing.

>my hand-written mss is dated 16 June 2018, with my scribbled corrections. NaziGene did not write it, I did. It was then typed on my keyboard, and

*Slap*

Are you really going to keep babbling that your poem is original and your proof is a hand written copy from yesterday when the original that you stole from was written years ago?

Did you really say you would send it to Will Dockery to verify your handwritten letter dated yesterday is authentic? What would that prove, that you can opy words off a computer screen? Being a liar, thief, and a plagiarist, how can anyone take the word of Will Dockery? That's even funnier than watching you scramble and doing damage control.

You've been busted, and Nancy has bested you once again. None of your crying about antisemitism can fix that. You use your religion as an excuse to steal and commit other vile acts. You should be ashamed.

[George J. Dance]

On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:48:32 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:41:30 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:56:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > It sure is, Pick. Everything you say is an outright lie.
> >
> > Now you're playing IKYABWAI with him, too, are you?
>
> It's a statement of truth, Dunce.

Let's add "truth" to the words you don't understand, Psycho.

[NancyGene]

Thank you. For some (insane) reason, Stephan Pickering thinks that he can take other people's words, change a couple of words and their order and proclaim that it is his own original creation. We reported him.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 4:10:41 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 9:48:32 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 5:41:30 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Monday, June 18, 2018 at 4:56:33 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > It sure is, Pick. Everything you say is an outright lie.
> > >
> > > Now you're playing IKYABWAI with him, too, are you?
> >
> > It's a statement of truth, Dunce.
>
> Let's add "truth" to the words you don't understand, Psycho.

George "IKYABWAI" Dunce is now copying my "List of Words and Phrases Will Dockery Refuses to Understand" list.

How pathetic can one second-hander be?

[stephanpi...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, June 19, 2018 at 1:17:14 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is learning a lesson:

No amount of obfuscsation and (illegal) cyberstalking on 'her' part, will hide the fact that 'she' is a liar, that there was no plagiarism on my part. I gave full credit to Ya'akov Glatshteyn, and Marge Piercy's 1995 poem was unread by me until late yesterday 18 June 2018.

[ME]

Well, I for one, am shocked and amazed!!

[George J. Dance]

Case in point. In this case, the truth is that Michael Psychodragon not only copied "his" list schtick from PJ Ross, but he even copied the pretense that it was "his" invention from PJ Ross as well:

<quote>
From: Peter J Ross <p...@homeridae.org>
Newsgroups: alt.arts.poetry.comments
Subject: Re: Johnny Cash / new poetry book
Date: 7 Jun 2018 18:06:24 GMT

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 6 Jun 2018 11:33:54 -0700 (PDT),
Michael Pendragon wrote:

> I didn't. I said that I'd played up to your narcissistic
> personality disorder in order to get you to shut the fuck up about
> it.
>
> Add "discussion" to the ever-growing list of words and phrases Will
> Dockery refuses to understand.

Is there a single phrase in the above forty words that Creepy Mike
hasn't borrowed from me?

Your desire to be me is getting quite creepy, Creepy Mike.
</q>

>
> How pathetic can one second-hander be?

Unfortunately, it looks like "Creepy Mike" is determined to show us the answer to that.

[Michael Pendragon]

I guess that lowers your status to "third-hander," Dunce. Congratulations.

[Usenet Editor]

Smacked the fuck down!

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 12:32:56 AM UTC-7, Useless Typer whines...

Shalom & Boker tov...I've briefly scanned 20+ postings this a.m. from troll fascists like you. Hence, aapc is still suffocating under the weight of your 4th reich sheet...


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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
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[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:54:15 -0700 (PDT),

NancyGene wrote:

> Pickering plagiarized Marge Piercy and Jacob Glatstein for his
> “original” poem. We cut most of the garbage Stephan Pickering
> wrote, which was undoubtedly stolen from other sources. Below are
> the most egregious examples of passages that Stephan Pickering has
> stolen for his “original” poem.
>
> The following section is totally Glatstein’s poem, not just the
> words in quotes:
>
> [IV.
> [Like a tiny candle over each grave,
> [a cry will burn,
> [each one for itself.
> ['I am I' --
> [thousands of slaughtered I's
> [will cry in the night:
> ['I am dead, unrecognized,
> [my blood still unredeemed'.
>
> [-- Ya'akov Glatshteyn / Yankev Glatshteyn / Jacob Glatstein, 1987.
> 'I have never been here before', p. 111 in: Ya'akov Glatshteyn,
> 1987. Selected poems of Yankev Glatshteyn [ed./trans. R.J. Fein]
> (Jewish Publication Society), 1-215 [Yiddish & English]

Quoting text and attributing it to the original author isn't
plagiarism. Duh!

Given how many millions of "poems" are available on the Web, I'm
amazed that you couldn't find one that resembled the Pickhead's "poem"
more closely. The resemblance is so faint as to be probably
accidental.

If you've got no better evidence than you've provided so far to
support your accusations of plagiarism, you'd better shut up and
apologise to the Pickhead. Otherwise he'll have good grounds to sue
you for defamation.




--
PJR :-)

τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
- Democritus

[Richard Oakley]

Who's side are you on?
Like you fucking care about
anything, or anyone.

Half-assed paralegal, lol.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:

> Given how many millions of "poems" are available on the Web, I'm
> amazed that you couldn't find one that resembled the Pickhead's "poem"
> more closely. The resemblance is so faint as to be probably
> accidental.
>
> If you've got no better evidence than you've provided so far to
> support your accusations of plagiarism, you'd better shut up and
> apologise to the Pickhead. Otherwise he'll have good grounds to sue
> you for defamation.

Peter...

The last lines of the last stanza are my creation, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence. I also quote from Ya'akov Glatshteyn in my section IV, and give Reb Glatshteyn FULL credit. For NaziGene to claim otherwise is more of 'her' bullshit Yehu'di baiting agendas.

NaziGene is a documented cyberstalker. This is one, of many, efforts on 'her' part.

I have never plagiarised Marge Piercy. I have read: 1976. Woman on the edge of time (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-369

When writing my new poem on 16 June 2018 (in long-hand, on a yellow, wide-ruled legal pad), I had never read her 'Growing up haunted', but did some research:

1995 'Growing up haunted', Tikkun 10(4):51 [read 18 June]

1997 'Growing up haunted', pp. 119-120 in: What are girls made of? (Alfred
A. Knopf), 1-159

1999 'Growing up haunted', pp. 108-109 in: The art of blessing the day:
poems with a Jewish theme (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-175

I have not read 1997 or 1999. However, based on what I have perused, she

can do what this cyberstalking troll cannot: write with Yehu'dit sensitivity
without lying.

NaziGene is a relentless cyberstalker, a liar, who has libelled Will Dockery and his famly, libelled me and my family (stating I have invented children, two of whom live in Yisra'el). 'She' has violated cyberstalking statutes, and, in time, 'she' will find that 'her' inflated self-importance will pale in a deposition hearing. I could care less what Richard Oakley is phantasising about.


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[ME]

Then sue them pick.
Maybe PJR and the drama queen can represent you.
Do it and don't talk about.
OK??

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:

I had noticed there was very little similarity, also... but this is coming from Michael Pendragon's mentor, PRJ.

I mean, really now.

:)

[Will Dockery]

What side are you on, Richard?

Don't we want to discover the truth around here?

[Will Dockery]

No reason to sue, just set the record straight right here, for as long as that takes.

:)

[NancyGene]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 6:42:38 PM UTC, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 8:58:37 AM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> > Given how many millions of "poems" are available on the Web, I'm
> > amazed that you couldn't find one that resembled the Pickhead's "poem"
> > more closely. The resemblance is so faint as to be probably
> > accidental.
> >
> > If you've got no better evidence than you've provided so far to
> > support your accusations of plagiarism, you'd better shut up and
> > apologise to the Pickhead. Otherwise he'll have good grounds to sue
> > you for defamation.
>
> Peter...
>
> The last lines of the last stanza are my creation, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence. I also quote from Ya'akov Glatshteyn in my section IV, and give Reb Glatshteyn FULL credit. For NaziGene to claim otherwise is more of 'her' bullshit Yehu'di baiting agendas.
>
> NaziGene is a documented cyberstalker. This is one, of many, efforts on 'her' part.
>
>
> I have never plagiarised Marge Piercy. I have read: 1976. Woman on the edge of time (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-369
>
> When writing my new poem on 16 June 2018 (in long-hand, on a yellow, wide-ruled legal pad), I had never read her 'Growing up haunted', but did some research:
>
> 1995 'Growing up haunted', Tikkun 10(4):51 [read 18 June]
>
> 1997 'Growing up haunted', pp. 119-120 in: What are girls made of? (Alfred
> A. Knopf), 1-159
>
> 1999 'Growing up haunted', pp. 108-109 in: The art of blessing the day:
> poems with a Jewish theme (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-175
>
> I have not read 1997 or 1999. However, based on what I have perused, she
> can do what this cyberstalking troll cannot: write with Yehu'dit sensitivity
> without lying.
>
> NaziGene is a relentless cyberstalker, a liar, who has libelled Will Dockery and his famly, libelled me and my family (stating I have invented children, two of whom live in Yisra'el). 'She' has violated cyberstalking statutes, and, in time, 'she' will find that 'her' inflated self-importance will pale in a deposition hearing. I could care less what Richard Oakley is phantasising about.

Peter has the right to his opinion, but he is wrong. What we wrote is below, for Pickering's edification. He might want to check the first post in this thread for an accurate representation of what we wrote.

"The following section is totally Glatstein’s poem, not just the words in quotes:"

[IV.
[Like a tiny candle over each grave,
[a cry will burn,
[each one for itself.
['I am I' --
[thousands of slaughtered I's
[will cry in the night:
['I am dead, unrecognized,
[my blood still unredeemed'.
[-- Ya'akov Glatshteyn / Yankev Glatshteyn / Jacob Glatstein, 1987. 'I have never been here before', p. 111 in: Ya'akov Glatshteyn, 1987. Selected poems of Yankev Glatshteyn [ed./trans. R.J. Fein] (Jewish Publication Society), 1-215 [Yiddish & English]

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Pickering’s plagiarized stanza:

the underside of every leaf

is fear, shadows gathering
at the foot of our beds,
transforming gristle into haze,

made real by Hebrew letters
and syllables.

_________

Marge Piercy’s original lines:

Fear was the underside of every leaf
Ghosts gathered on the foot
Of my bed each night
Gone from gristle to smoke, only
As real now as words can make it.

Pickering stole “shadows” from earlier in Piercy’s poem. This is absolutely plagiarism, and there is NO way that Stephan Pickering could have independently come up with this last stanza without taking liberties with Marge Piercy's poem.

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[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 5:12:01 PM UTC-7, NaziGene is lying still...

> Pickering stole “shadows” from earlier in Piercy’s poem. This is absolutely plagiarism, and there is NO way that Stephan Pickering could have independently come up with this last stanza without taking liberties with Marge Piercy's poem.

Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...NaziGene is lying still, fabricating a scenario which did not, does not exist. Poets for centuries (and NaziGene is NOT a poet) have used, manipulated, 'tapped' into currents of images/thoughts.

The last lines of the last stanza are MY creation, and any resemblance to Marge Piercy is coincidence.

I have never plagiarised Marge Piercy. I have read: 1976. Woman on the edge of time (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-369

When writing my new poem on 16 June 2018 (in long-hand, on a yellow, wide-ruled legal pad), I had never read her 'Growing up haunted', but did some research:

1995 'Growing up haunted', Tikkun 10(4):51 [read 18 June]

1997 'Growing up haunted', pp. 119-120 in: What are girls made of? (Alfred
A. Knopf), 1-159

1999 'Growing up haunted', pp. 108-109 in: The art of blessing the day:
poems with a Jewish theme (Alfred A. Knopf), 1-175

I have not read 1997 or 1999. However, based on what I have perused, she
can do what this cyberstalking troll cannot: write with Yehu'dit sensitivity
without lying.

NaziGene keeps repeating her fabrications for 'her' own shaky mind-set, her fluid sense of identity. That is 'her' karma, not mine. I created my newest poem, no one else.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

[ME]

Yes, they will beat this fucking dead horse until no one else gives a shit. And then they claim VICTORY!!
Of nothing.

[Will Dockery]

Which horse is dead, "Me"?

The one NG rode in on, apparently.

👍

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 6:15:13 PM UTC-7, Will Dockery wrote:
> Which horse is dead, "Me"?
>
> The one NG rode in on, apparently.
>
> 👍

NaziGene is perhaps revealing more about 'her' phantasies/lying than 'she' realises. We suspect 'her' inability to write/be published derives from 'her' lack of education. Indeed, this prevents 'her' (in 'her' delusion that 'she' is an artist), from grasping, like Shelley's 'monster', that at 'her' birth, there was possible synonymy between evisceration and dehiscence when 'she' almost bit 'her' tongue off. This trauma has plagued 'her' pathetic, empty lack of self-identity. 'She' is bitter than there are poets, such as us, who can transform ideas/images resonating in traditions, and 'she' is unable to write anything more than fake bubblegum wrapper lists of ingredients. Hence, we have 'her' shrieking lies about 'plagiarism' because 'she' cannot discern creativity. 'She' should study the parallels between Duchamp and Shabtai Zisel / 'Bob Dylan', if 'she' were able. We can only guess 'her' chronic stupidity is familial. Is this why bigdick94 and 'her' are so attracted to each other's illusions?

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:12:00 -0700 (PDT),

NancyGene wrote:

> Peter has the right to his opinion, but he is wrong.

And yet you're too scared to reply directly to what I wrote.

Why is that, I wonder?

<refuted accusations snipped>

[ME]

OK pick. I'll explain this one time for you. I have at least 8 email accounts. They all have different names. That just happened to be who I was doing in 94. But u answer and post under ME.
Got it?!

[NancyGene]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 6:04:46 PM UTC, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:12:00 -0700 (PDT),
> NancyGene wrote:
>
> > Peter has the right to his opinion, but he is wrong.
>
> And yet you're too scared to reply directly to what I wrote.

Not at all, but we don't need to answer the same information twice if it is included in another post. Someone else favors quantity over quality, and we don't need to answer every post (see the beginning of this sentence).

> Why is that, I wonder?

Perhaps we were doing something else and decided to answer only once. However, we certainly are willing to debate the points. We gave our proof of plagiarism, including words, phrases and ideas that Pickering stole, even to the order of the words lines in the poems. He stole from Marge Piercy.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:38:43 -0700 (PDT),

You didn't reply to my refutation of your claims even once.

Instead, you repeated your refuted accusations at least twice in other
contexts, presumably hoping that I wouldn't notice.

There's a word for what you did. The word is "Dreckeryesque".

Fuck off, Dreckery-Clone.

[Michael Pendragon]

Have you seen the one where Pick took a passage from a Winnie the Pooh tale (that Benj. Hoff had previously quoted in "The Tao of Pooh"), stuck the word "kosher" in front of Piglet's name, translated 2 or 3 words into Hebrew, and presented as an original poem?

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT),

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> Have you seen the one where Pick took a passage from a Winnie the
> Pooh tale (that Benj. Hoff had previously quoted in "The Tao of
> Pooh"), stuck the word "kosher" in front of Piglet's name,
> translated 2 or 3 words into Hebrew, and presented as an original
> poem?

No, I haven't seen that. I've seen you mentioning it, but I haven't
been interested enough to look up the details.

Prick is so ignorant of Hebrew that he doesn't even know that it's
written right-to-left, so I'd be surprised if he could translate
anything into Hebrew successfully.

It's not impossible that Prick is a plagiarist as well as a racist, a
liar, a spammer, a whiner etc etc: the important point is that Nancy's
claims of plagiarism aren't supported by satisfactory evidence, but
are nevertheless frequently repeated. People who make false
accusations of plagiarism are no better than plagiarists.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:55:36 AM UTC-7, PaedoBarney is ?functionally autistic...

PaedoBarney, like NaziGene, is a relentless liar. Mr Hoff was given credit at aapc facebook from my actual mss. I do not consider aapc google and PaedoBarney arbiters of my art.

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STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:38:45 AM UTC-7, NaziGene is still trying to imagine the inside of a brick...

> We gave our proof of plagiarism, including words, phrases and ideas that Pickering stole, even to the order of the words lines in the poems. He stole from Marge Piercy.

Shalom & Boker tov, everyone...There was no 'proof' because it never happened. NaziGene has been refuted by me, and by Mr Ross. 'She' is delusional.


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

Peter...do not be so innocuous and petulant to give me Hebrew lessons. My name is not 'Prick' either.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT
לעולם לא אשכח

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 3:23:19 PM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 12:11:39 PM UTC-7, Peter J Ross wrote:
> > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:55:35 -0700 (PDT),
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > Have you seen the one where Pick took a passage from a Winnie the
> > > Pooh tale (that Benj. Hoff had previously quoted in "The Tao of
> > > Pooh"), stuck the word "kosher" in front of Piglet's name,
> > > translated 2 or 3 words into Hebrew, and presented as an original
> > > poem?
> >
> > No, I haven't seen that. I've seen you mentioning it, but I haven't
> > been interested enough to look up the details.
> >
> > Prick is so ignorant of Hebrew that he doesn't even know that it's
> > written right-to-left, so I'd be surprised if he could translate
> > anything into Hebrew successfully.
> >
> > It's not impossible that Prick is a plagiarist as well as a racist, a
> > liar, a spammer, a whiner etc etc: the important point is that Nancy's
> > claims of plagiarism aren't supported by satisfactory evidence, but
> > are nevertheless frequently repeated. People who make false
> > accusations of plagiarism are no better than plagiarists.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > PJR :-)
> >
> > τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
> > - Democritus
>
> Peter...do not be so innocuous and petulant to give me Hebrew lessons. My name is not 'Prick' either.
>

Perhaps you might set an example by not calling him "Peter."

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 12:31:07 -0700 (PDT),

Perhaps he might also learn what "innocuous" means. It's possible that
he knows what "petulant" means, but I have my doubts.

Incidentally, I was taught Hebrew by Hugh Mackay, Preben
Wernberg-Møller, James Barr and Géza Vermes. (There was also a bloke
who taught me Hebrew Prose Composition whose name now escapes me.)

They all agreed that Hebrew was written right-to-left, not
left-to-right.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

Welcome to the Cyberian 4th Reich.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

Peter...my Hebrew IS right-to-left (see below). Professor Vermes's work on the Judaean Desert Scrolls I think is, now, outdated and in error (the 'Essenes' never existed as Rachel Elior has demonstrated). His writings on Yeshu benMiriam I find useless.

[NancyGene]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 6:48:20 PM UTC, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 11:38:43 -0700 (PDT),
> NancyGene wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 6:04:46 PM UTC, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 20 Jun 2018 17:12:00 -0700
> >> (PDT), NancyGene wrote:
> >>
> >> > Peter has the right to his opinion, but he is wrong.
> >>
> >> And yet you're too scared to reply directly to what I wrote.
> > Not at all, but we don't need to answer the same information twice
> > if it is included in another post. Someone else favors quantity
> > over quality, and we don't need to answer every post (see the
> > beginning of this sentence).
> >
> >> Why is that, I wonder?
> > Perhaps we were doing something else and decided to answer only
> > once. However, we certainly are willing to debate the points. We
> > gave our proof of plagiarism, including words, phrases and ideas
> > that Pickering stole, even to the order of the words lines in the
> > poems. He stole from Marge Piercy.
>
> You didn't reply to my refutation of your claims even once.

Give us time, but you didn't give specific reasons for your opinion, other than it was not plagiarism. "So let it be written, so let it be done."

> Instead, you repeated your refuted accusations at least twice in other
> contexts, presumably hoping that I wouldn't notice.

No, you presume wrongly. We were giving examples of plagiarism in poetry for those who are slow to pick up on how to spot thievery in poems.

> There's a word for what you did. The word is "Dreckeryesque".

Oh, no, not that! We are dying...

> Fuck off, Dreckery-Clone.
Why would anyone want to be cloned from someone so inferior; we prefer to be an Illuminati clone.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:40:08 -0700 (PDT),
NancyGene wrote:

<snip>

*plonk*

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 11:58:37 AM UTC-4, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 18 Jun 2018 12:54:15 -0700 (PDT),
> NancyGene wrote:
>
> > Pickering plagiarized Marge Piercy and Jacob Glatstein for his
> > “original” poem. We cut most of the garbage Stephan Pickering
> > wrote, which was undoubtedly stolen from other sources. Below are
> > the most egregious examples of passages that Stephan Pickering has
> > stolen for his “original” poem.
> >

> > The following section is totally Glatstein’s poem, not just the
> > words in quotes:
> >
> > [IV.
> > [Like a tiny candle over each grave,
> > [a cry will burn,
> > [each one for itself.
> > ['I am I' --
> > [thousands of slaughtered I's
> > [will cry in the night:
> > ['I am dead, unrecognized,
> > [my blood still unredeemed'.
> >
> > [-- Ya'akov Glatshteyn / Yankev Glatshteyn / Jacob Glatstein, 1987.
> > 'I have never been here before', p. 111 in: Ya'akov Glatshteyn,
> > 1987. Selected poems of Yankev Glatshteyn [ed./trans. R.J. Fein]
> > (Jewish Publication Society), 1-215 [Yiddish & English]
>

> Quoting text and attributing it to the original author isn't
> plagiarism. Duh!
>
> > _______
> >
> > The below section is stolen from “Growing up Haunted” in “The Art of
> > Blessing the Day: Poems with a Jewish Theme” by Marge Piercy. We
> > have numbered the corresponding lines in each “poem”.
> >
> > Pickering’s plagiarized version:
> >

> > the underside of every leaf

> > is fear (1), shadows (2) gathering (3)
> > at the foot of our beds (4),
> > transforming gristle into haze (5),

> > made real by Hebrew letters

> > and syllables. (6)

> > _________
> >
> > Marge Piercy’s original lines:
> >

> Given how many millions of "poems" are available on the Web, I'm
> amazed that you couldn't find one that resembled the Pickhead's "poem"
> more closely. The resemblance is so faint as to be probably
> accidental.
>
> If you've got no better evidence than you've provided so far to
> support your accusations of plagiarism, you'd better shut up and
> apologise to the Pickhead. Otherwise he'll have good grounds to sue
> you for defamation.
>

> --
> PJR :-)
>
> τὸν οἰόμενον νόον ἔχειν ὁ νουθετέων ματαιοπονεῖ.
> - Democritus

Peter seems to have nailed it, this time.

:)

[NancyGene]

Pickering did not make it clear to the reader which words were his and which were being quoted. He started Section IV the same way he did the other sections, despite his claim that "George...I reprinted Section IV exactly as it appears on page 111 in the 1987 volume. I set off the section by stars from III and V so that one could read Reb Glayshteyn. NaziGene, not being a poet, fails to understand how a poet can quote another poet."

Where are the stars below? The reader would assume that the first 3 lines are Pickering's (to the period) and the quotation is from Glatstein.

IV.

Like a tiny candle over each grave,
a cry will burn,
each one for itself.
'I am I' --
thousands of slaughtered I's
will cry in the night:
'I am dead, unrecognized,
my blood still unredeemed'.
-- Ya'akov Glatshteyn / Yankev
Glatshteyn / Jacob Glatstein, 1987.
'I have never been here before',
p. 111 in: Ya'akov Glatshteyn, 1987.
Selected poems of Yankev Glatshteyn
[ed./trans. R.J. Fein] (Jewish
Publication Society), 1-215
[Yiddish & English]

No, Pickering's words are very clearly reworkings of lines from "Growing up Haunted".

"the underside of every leaf is fear," (Pickering)
"Fear was the underside of every leaf" (Piercy)

We would be interested in knowing how this particular phrase ended up on Pickering's wide-ruled legal pad, since this musing doesn't sound like Pickering at all. Piercy's poem continues "fear was the underside of every leaf WE TURNED" (our emphasis), which makes sense in the poem. Pickering's continues with:

"shadows gathering at the foot of our beds," (Pickering)
"Ghosts gathered on the foot of my bed each night (Piercy)

Pickering took Piercy's line and changed a couple of words and the order and inserted "shadows" from earlier in her poem. What was part of the story in Piercy's poem is just dropped in there by Pickering.

"transforming gristle into haze, made real by Hebrew letters and syllables." (Pickering)
"Gone from gristle to smoke, only as real now as words can make it." (Piercy)

Pickering again changed a few words and their order in the line to say the same thing.

The odds of Pickering's and Piercy's lines being so similar by coincidence are zero. The lines even fall in the same order.

> If you've got no better evidence than you've provided so far to
> support your accusations of plagiarism, you'd better shut up and
> apologise to the Pickhead. Otherwise he'll have good grounds to sue
> you for defamation.

If you have no better argument that it is NOT plagiarism than just because you say so, you should not be pontificating on the subject. Pickering is much more likely to be sued for plagiarism than we are for defamation. Three strikes and he is out.

You have the floor.

[ME]

He nailed it fuck head. And I just wanted to make sure you've got another post that you can make sure is ARCHIVED for posterity

BECAUSE EVERYONE WILL BE CHECKING AAPC FOR ALL THINGS CONCERNING THE DRAMA QUEENS VAST ESTATE WHEN HE PASSES.

So thanks, PJR, for nailing it for him. That way he can set the record straight here on aapc.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 2:36:41 PM UTC-7, NancyGene is still a relentless liar...


Shalom & Erev tov, everyone...

On my hand-written mss. Section IV is separated by stars from III and V by a line of *****. They are not present in the printed form because they were/are unnecessary for the reader. Despite 'her' lies, I did not plagiarise Reb Glatshteyn. NaziGene just does not know how to read, and readers have education, which 'she' decidedly does not. Peter J Ross can do which 'she' cannot: read.


NaziGene is not a writer, and my legal pad is contemporaneous documentation. 'She' keeps insisting that my imagery is stolen from Ms Piercy. I did not, of course, and similarities of cadence and concepts is coincidence (to correct NaziGene's delusions, another equally applicable idea is 'convergence'). Just because NaziGene makes one of 'her' flippant deductions about my work (which she envies from 'her' illiteracy; she has never read Marge Piercy. I have read NaziGene, and discern only relentless stupidity. I give NaziGene a study question ('she' might wish to have someone read, slowly, the English to 'her'):

the 'orderly' minds of the
trolls among us are well-tended
cemeteries without
gravestones.

[ME]

In the immortal words of Dennis Hammers(?):
Try to make your sentences make sense.

[George J. Dance]

On Wednesday, June 20, 2018 at 9:12:05 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:

> Yes, they will beat this fucking dead horse until no one else gives a shit. And then they claim VICTORY!!
> Of nothing.

It's funny how the alleged wolf turned into a dead horse so quickly.

[George J. Dance]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 6:58:25 PM UTC-4, ME wrote:
> In the immortal words of Dennis Hammers(?):
> Try to make your sentences make sense.

"Can't touch this," as MC Hammers(?) would say.

[Michael Pendragon]

Peter's understanding of plagiarism seems to have gotten incredibly fuzzy over the past year or so.

The similarities between his "poem" and the original might as well be flashing in hot pink neon.

[Michael Pendragon]

Go touch yourself, long head.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:19:04 PM UTC-7, PaedoBarney is talking into his pampers again...

Shalom & Erev tov, Will...PaedoBarney is upset that about 9+ readers, here and elsewhere, have read my poem (with high praise), and they reject the NaziGene conspiracy theories. There is a second part in the works. In the meantime, I'm sure that PaedoBarney will find that, under the Whiter House, he will have his New York state mental diagnostic papers revised, and his 'medications' from pharmacracy more expensive.

*******************

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT

[Michael Pendragon]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 9:03:02 PM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 5:19:04 PM UTC-7, PaedoBarney is talking into his pampers again...
>
> Shalom & Erev tov, Will...PaedoBarney is upset that about 9+ readers, here and elsewhere, have read my poem (with high praise), and they reject the NaziGene conspiracy theories. There is a second part in the works. In the meantime, I'm sure that PaedoBarney will find that, under the Whiter House, he will have his New York state mental diagnostic papers revised, and his 'medications' from pharmacracy more expensive.
>

Nine whole readers!

Is that including Faline's ghost and your mummy-cat?

[Will Dockery]

Admit it, Pendragon, you'd be lucky to score as many as nine readers.

:)

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:29:36 PM UTC-7, PaedoEunuch struts...


Shalom & Erev tov, Will...actually, these are individuals who have contacted me. But I've been assured by two different sources that probably well over 200 have read my work. PaedoBarney cannot write except postcards to his chicken hawks.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

STEPHAN PICKERING / חפץ ח"ם בן אברהם
Torah אלילה Yehu'di Apikores / Philologia Kabbalistica Speculativa Researcher
לחיות זמן רב ולשגשג...לעולם לא עוד
THE KABBALAH FRACTALS PROJECT

לעולם לא אשכח

[Coco DeSockmonkey]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 11:37:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Admit it, Pendragon, you'd be lucky to score as many as nine readers.
>

Pick's readers:

1) Will Dockery
2) George Dunce
3) Faline's ghost
4) Samantha the Mummy-Cat
5) His imaginary daughter in Israel
6) His imaginary son in Israel
7) His real American daughter
8) His real American son
9) Shitzel Zitzel's secretary

[Will Dockery]

You left off:

10) Michael Pendragon

Since you never, ever miss a Stephan Pickering post.

😀

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-7, Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:

Shalom & Erev tov, Will...you and I both the tiresome accusation my oldest daughter in Yisra'el, and my oldest son in Yisra'el, are not imaginary. In fact, NaziGene has never been able to find out who they are because they have Hebrew names, and an Yisra'eli mother. One wonders what NaziGene will say when sitting for a deposition for cyberstalking?

[Michael Pendragon]

I was listing the 9+ readers who've bestowed "high praise" on his stolen poem.

I'd labeled it as the garbage that it is.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 2:10:59 AM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Thursday, June 21, 2018 at 8:51:40 PM UTC-7, Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:
>
> Shalom & Erev tov, Will...you and I both the tiresome accusation my oldest daughter in Yisra'el, and my oldest son in Yisra'el, are not imaginary. In fact, NaziGene has never been able to find out who they are because they have Hebrew names, and an Yisra'eli mother. One wonders what NaziGene will say when sitting for a deposition for cyberstalking?
>

There you go, Will! Pick's cyber stalking again (as per the Merriam-Webster definition that you'd suggested we apply across the boards).

Now's the time to call him out on it.

Or do you only complain about "stalking" when it's directed against you?

[Will Dockery]

Actually, Pendragon, it looks to me like Stephan is accusing NG of stalking him, which does look true since NG actually did follow him here from the Bob Dylan newsgroup.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Actually, Pendragon, it looks to me like Stephan is accusing NG of stalking him, which does look true since NG actually did follow him here from the Bob Dylan newsgroup.
>

That's because you're a dumbass motherfucking son of a bitch (combining both the collective stupidity of both designations).

His statement that "One wonders what NaziGene will say when sitting for a deposition for cyberstalking?" clearly implies that he is planning on bringing a lawsuit against NancyGene (if she ever provides him with her real name, that is).

This constitutes an implied threat and is fully in keeping with the Merriam-Webster definition of "stalking" that you claimed should be applied across the boards.

It's a shame that "across the boards" somehow excludes both Pick and yourself.

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:24:34 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:15:58 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Actually, Pendragon, it looks to me like Stephan is accusing NG of stalking him, which does look true since NG actually did follow him here from the Bob Dylan newsgroup.
> >
>
> That's because

That's because that is exactly how it seems to have happened.

Stephan Pickering was here first, posting about poetry.

And, along comes NG, sniffing behind him... or, some would say... stalking.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Not according to the Merriam-Webster definition.

NancyGene's posts do not threaten Pick in any way. She does not so much as imply that she is going to alert anyone about Pick's psychotic, racist, plagiaristic, etc., posts; nor does she imply that she will be showing up at his shelter.

NancyGene points out the various lies in his posts. And the majority of her posts can be viewed as "hostile" toward Pick. However, she is not "stalking" him.

Pick, otoh, just posted an implied threat that he bringing "libel" charges against NancyGene.

*That* constitutes "stalking" under the M-W definition.

Perhaps you should make an attempt to comprehend a definition before you suggest we apply it across the boards.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, PaedoBarney stalks his own delusions...

Shalom & Boker tov, Will...all of this PsychoBarneyism is the effort of a Youtube thief and Dockery family libeller to start the day with his delusions. I do not care, and his racialist dementia is irrelevant. I stalk no one, I have not plagiarised (which is disproved time and again), and I do not live in a shelter, etc. etc. etc. etc. The cyberstalking and libels of NaziGene do not have to proven; 'she' wrote/writes them. I am only here for the poetry, and the history of poetry's transformative mar'ot/revelations.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 11:43:04 AM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 7:50:28 AM UTC-7, PaedoBarney stalks his own delusions...
>
> Shalom & Boker tov, Will...all of this PsychoBarneyism is the effort of a Youtube thief and Dockery family libeller to start the day with his delusions. I do not care, and his racialist dementia is irrelevant. I stalk no one, I have not plagiarised (which is disproved time and again), and I do not live in a shelter, etc. etc. etc. etc. The cyberstalking and libels of NaziGene do not have to proven; 'she' wrote/writes them. I am only here for the poetry, and the history of poetry's transformative mar'ot/revelations.
>

Winnie the Pooh knows who you are, Pick, and where he can find you ... and Piglet, too.

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:50:28 AM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:35:50 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > > Actually, Pendragon, it looks to me like Stephan is accusing NG of stalking him, which does look true since NG actually did follow him here from the Bob Dylan newsgroup.
> > > >
> > >
> > > That's because
> >
> > That's because that is exactly how it seems to have happened.
> >
> > Stephan Pickering was here first, posting about poetry.
> >
> > And, along comes NG, sniffing behind him... or, some would say... stalking.
>
> Not according to the Merriam-Webster definition.
>
> NancyGene's posts do not threaten Pick in any way. She does not so much as imply that she is going to alert anyone

<snip>

Wrong, Pendragon...

NG has already stalked Pickering over to the "All Poetry" site and has begun posting against him there:

https://allpoetry.com/poem/13914660-%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%99-%D7%99%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%9C-%D7%9C%D7%96%D7%9B%D7%95%D7%A8...I-can-remember-by-ChafetzChayim

And so it goes.

[Michael Pendragon]

Posting warnings about an emotionally deranged, lying, plagiarizing, libeling, NAMBLA-supporting, racist is a civic duty.

"Stalking" involves a stated or implied threat to someone's physical or financial well-being.

NancyGene warns the unwary that a psychopath walks among them. Pick stalks.

[Will Dockery]

Whatever, it still fits your definition.

[Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:10:43 AM UTC-7, PsychoBarney is hardly a 'therapist'...


Shalom & Boker tov, Will...PaedoBarney keeps presenting a diagnosis of himself, which his chicken hawks delight in.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:15:58 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Whatever, it still fits your definition.

Why do you lie so much, Will?

How does warning people about a nutjob pose a threat?

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:17:48 PM UTC-4, Chafetz Chayim ha'Yehu'di wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 10:10:43 AM UTC-7, PsychoBarney is hardly a 'therapist'...
>
>
> Shalom & Boker tov, Will...PaedoBarney keeps presenting a diagnosis of himself, which his chicken hawks delight in.
>

I've never even been to the Hundred Acre Wood, Pick, much less stolen from its denizens.

[Will Dockery]

About as much as me pointing out that my Copyrights were infringed/abused when Cujo allegedly stole and posted my video.

Which you have lyingly defended, Pendragon.

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:32:54 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> About as much as me pointing out that my Copyrights were infringed/abused when Cujo allegedly stole and posted my video.
>
> Which you have lyingly defended, Pendragon.

No, Will.

The video belongs to the individual who filmed it.

*If* Cujo were making money from it, you would be entitled to residuals.

Cujo is *NOT* making money from it; therefore your "copyright" isn't being infringed on, and you are not entitled to anything ...

... apart from a good sulk in the corner of your brother's shed.

[Will Dockery]

I filmed it...

Just sit the camera on a tripod and switch the ON button, Pendragon.

You're quite the hypocrite here defending Cujo's blatant thievery.

👍

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> I filmed it...

If you'd filmed it, you'd have posted it.

You'd post a video of yourself puking your guts up onstage of one existed.

> Just sit the camera on a tripod and switch the ON button, Pendragon.
>
> You're quite the hypocrite here defending Cujo's blatant thievery.

I haven't seen Cujo's video, but it appears that an audience member filmed a blind-stinking-drunk stumbling around the stage in a quasi-Zorro getup. The audience member, knowing Cujo's expertise in the field of Kookology, forwarded him a copy.

That sounds like fair use to me.

[Will Dockery]

Even so, using the audio content of the poem and music would need my consent to be used.

If the video is silent, it might get a pass.

What you don't get is that "Autograph of Zorro" is Copyrighted, the song is not public domain.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

The song is Copyrighted.

Whoop-de-damn-do.

Music is licensed through ASCAP, BMI, & co. Your music is not.

You performed your song in public. Someone made a video of that performance.

*UNLESS THEY ARE CHARGING MONEY FOR IT,* they have the right to post it anywhere they damn well please.

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:53:06 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 1:46:23 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > I filmed it...
>
> If you'd filmed it, you'd have posted it.

That's why I'd like to see it, the last time Cujo posted "Autograph of Zorro", it was one of the two I've had on YouTube for over a decade.

[ME]

And Michael, I plan to do just that.
Cujo and I are working out details. I've already checked on any litigious issues.

[Will Dockery]

On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 2:40:42 PM UTC-4, mydemon...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, June 22, 2018 at 2:16:58 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > Even so, using the audio content of the poem and music would need my consent to be used.
> >
> > If the video is silent, it might get a pass.
> >
> > What you don't get is that "Autograph of Zorro" is Copyrighted, the song is not public domain.
> >
>
> The song is Copyrighted.

Yes, and according to Copyright law, as a creator of the work, I have control of the uses made of it, including videos.

[mydemon...@gmail.com]

Technically, the video is of your *performance*. A performance is not a song.

For the 137th time, you would only be entitled to residuals *IF* Cujo were making money from the video.

He's not. You're not. There's nothing you can do about it.