Re: Batty / PJR
G&tSP
> On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> > not mine, not yours.
>
> Intelligent and good.
>
>
The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
metaphorically.
>
> > --
> > PJR :-)
>
> > <http://pjr.lasnobberia.net/verse/>
prettystuzz
<d6df4c66-1d40-4bb5...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
"G&tSP" <gan...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
There's a reason I don't look at rap and try to make sure I don't
crosspost there. I'd appreciate a warning in your subject heading if
it's not too much trouble. If it should happen again, I'll post the
solution to the first-person 'implied' puzzle.
>
G&tSP
> In article
> <d6df4c66-1d40-4bb5-87f5-febca6ff9...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Now, there's no need to resort to threats. I'm always willing to
change my ways when the request is reasonable.
If I start any other crossposted threads, I'll indicate all the other
group(s) than AAPC in the subject header.
G&tSP
Well, that first attempt didn't work so well. I put [+posted AAPC/RAP]
in the subject header and that didn't appear on google at all. I'll
try a different notation next time.
G&tSP
> On Nov 23, 9:41 pm, ray heinrich <r...@tekwit.com> wrote:
>
> > > Batty's red woolen hat is a good hat.
> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> > > not mine, not yours.
>
>
> > or bigger:
>
> > Batty's hat is a good hat.
> > It's a red wool hat.
> > It isn't green or blue or yellow.
> > It's just a hat that's red.
> > It warms his ears, just Batty's ears.
>
> or even bigger:
>
> It wasn't blue or yellow or green
> or brown or scarlet or black or ochre
> or peach or ruby or olive or violet
> or fawn or lilac or gold or chocolate
> or mauve or cream or crimson or silver
> or rose or azure or lemon or russet
> or grey or purple or white or pink or orange
> but red.
>
> (apologies to Tim Rice)
>
> > or smaller:
>
> > Batty's hat warms his ears,
> > not yours, not mine.
>
> > or tiny:
>
> > batty
> > not you
> > not me
>
> > or transmogrified:
>
> > Batty's steeple is a good steeple.
> > It's a red wood steeple.
> > It isn't green or blue or yellow.
> > It's just a steeple that's red.
> > It warms his belfry, just Batty's belfry.
Batty (Dance Mix)
Batty's hat is a good hat.
It's a red wool hat.
It isn't blue or yellow or green
or brown or scarlet or black or ochre
or peach or ruby or olive or violet
or fawn or lilac or gold or chocolate
or mauve or cream or crimson or silver
or rose or azure or lemon or russet
or grey or purple or white or pink or orange
but just a hat that's red.
It warms his ears, just Batty's ears.
Poem by Peter J Ross
edits by ray heinrich & George Dance
additional lyrics by Tim Rice & George Dance
Will Dockery
>Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> > > not mine, not yours.
>
> > Intelligent and good.
>
> The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
> wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
> and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
> remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
> metaphorically.
"Intelligent and good." ?!? Now that's some notable "in-depth
critique"... amazing, Cythera.
--
"Truck Stop Woman" by Will Dockery (the video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
ray heinrich
Batty's hat is a good hat.
It's a red wool hat.
It isn't Almond or Antique Brass or Apricot or Aquamarine
or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine or Banana Mania or Beaver
or Bittersweet or Black or Blizzard Blue or Blue
or Blue Bell or Blue Gray or Blue Green or Blue Violet
or Blush or Brick Red or Brown or Burnt Orange
or Burnt Sienna or Cadet Blue or Canary or Caribbean Green
or Carnation Pink or Cerise or Cerulean or Chestnut
or Copper or Cornflower or Cotton Candy or Dandelion
or Denim or Desert Sand or Eggplant or Electric Lime
or Fern or Forest Green or Fuchsia or Fuzzy Wuzzy
or Gold or Goldenrod or Granny Smith Apple or Gray
or Green or Green Blue or Green Yellow or Hot Magenta
or Inchworm or Indigo or Jazzberry Jam or Jungle Green
or Laser Lemon or Lavender or Lemon Yellow or Macaroni and Cheese
or Magenta or Magic Mint or Mahogany or Maize
or Manatee or Mango Tango or Maroon or Mauvelous
or Melon or Midnight Blue or Mountain Meadow or Mulberry
or Navy Blue or Neon Carrot or Olive Green or Orange
or Orange Red or Orange Yellow or Orchid or Outer Space
or Outrageous Orange or Pacific Blue or Peach or Periwinkle
or Piggy Pink or Pine Green or Pink Flamingo or Pink Sherbert
or Plum or Purple Heart or Purple Mountain's Majesty or Purple
Pizzazz
or Radical Red or Raw Sienna or Raw Umber or Razzle Dazzle Rose
or Razzmatazz or Yellow Orange or Red Orange or Red Violet
or Robin's Egg Blue or Royal Purple or Salmon or Scarlet
or Screamin' Green or Sea Green or Sepia or Shadow
or Shamrock or Shocking Pink or Silver or Sky Blue
or Spring Green or Sunglow or Sunset Orange or Tan
or Teal Blue or Thistle or Tickle Me Pink or Timberwolf
or Tropical Rain Forest or Tumbleweed or Turquoise Blue or Unmellow
Yellow
or Violet (Purple) or Violet Blue or Violet Red or Vivid Tangerine
or Vivid Violet or White or Wild Blue Yonder or Wild Strawberry
or Wild Watermelon or Wisteria or Yellow or Yellow Green
Will Dockery
Wow... intelligent & good!
=z=
hot damn ray...you must be in the fingernail polish business
or a makeup artist
or the paint industry
or an auto detailer
or baskin robbins
or a lipstick maker
or candlestick designer
or disney
or fuckin' skittles
or...
Will Dockery
Whatever Ray is, he fits the bill on the lowered bar of "intelligent &
interesting", eh...
ray heinrich
> or...
The Official Standard Crayon Colors from Wiki.
IAG on the acrofinder: ( http://www.acronymfinder.com/ )
1. Intelligent And Good
1.5 Irrelevant & Grotesque
2. International Association of Geomorphologists
3. Institute of Australian Geographers
4. It's All Good
5. I Am Gay
6. International Association of Gravity
7. Isometric Array Grammar
8. Involuntary Asset Growth
9. Internationale Arbeitsgemeinschaft der Berufsverbände
Christlischer Arbeitnehmerinnen in der Hauswirtschaft
I really like 6 and want to be subjected to 8.
ING:
Intelligent n' Good
International Network of Golf
I&G
Intelligent & Good
Irrelevant & Grotesque
The always IAG Ray
put the gun down
http://wordbiscuit.com
mom told you not to
Will Dockery
> mom told you not to
"What he /sEd/." -Dennis M. Hammes, Litt. D.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
George Dance
> Batty (Dance Mix)
>
snip
Now, *that's* intelligent and good.
Now that we've lost Rice's words, though, we can cut him out of the
credits. And since we've also lost his beat, we don't need 4 colours
per line, so we can reformat. And we should capitalize Red, for
consistency, and to please critics like Stuart Leichter who like
treating colours as things.
So I'd propose this as the final edit.
Batty (Dance Mix)
Batty's hat is a good hat.
It's a Red wool hat.
but just a hat that's Red.
Will Dockery
> On Nov 24, 3:02 pm, ray heinrich <r...@tekwit.com> wrote:
>
>
> snip
>
> Now, *that's* intelligent and good.
>
> Now that we've lost Rice's words, though, we can cut him out of the
> credits. And since we've also lost his beat, we don't need 4 colours
> per line, so we can reformat. And we should capitalize Red, for
> consistency, and to please critics like Stuart Leichter who like
> treating colours as things.
>
> So I'd propose this as the final edit.
>
>
> Betty's hat is a good hat.
>
> Poem by Peter J Ross
> edits by ray heinrich & George Dance
Supercalafragileistic & thought provoking.
George Dance
Hell, if we get rid of "Batty", we can cut PJ out of the credits, too,
and put you in. (Of course we have to change 'his' to 'her' in the
last line. Let's see what ray thinks.
> > It warms her ears, just Betty's ears.
>
> > by ray heinrich, George Dance & Will Dockery
Will Dockery
> On Nov 24, 9:19 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Hell, if we get rid of "Batty", we can cut PJ out of the credits, too,
> and put you in. (Of course we have to change 'his' to 'her' in the
> last line. Let's see what ray thinks.
That sounds like an interesting & intelligent idea to me...
tx_max_king
I must agree. When I first so it I thought 'sucks' would
be appropriate. I didn't comment per chance. there
might be some deep esoteric vein I wasn't aware of.
Evidently not.
Then Cythera kissed ass and I thought
'what a dumb boob'.
But then we all know that.
It does remind me of two poems.
One, I wrote (which may have been his inspiration).
I'll post it.
The second, by a poet whose politics I'm not
very fond of, nonetheless, it seems to be popular
with those of like mind.
The Red Wheelbarrow
William Carlos Williams
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
so much depends
upon
a red wheel
barrow
glazed with rain
water
beside the white
chickens.
----------------------------
Now that I would surmise might be considered
'intelligent and good' by some.
Although personally, I find it somewhat weak
and mostly a mild color juxtaposition.
C'est La Vie!
Will Dockery
> On Nov 23, 8:39 pm, "G&tSP" <gand...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 23, 6:32 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> > > > not mine, not yours.
>
> > > Intelligent and good.
>
> > The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
> > wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
> > and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
> > remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
> > metaphorically.
>
> I must agree. When I first so it I thought 'sucks' would
> be appropriate. I didn't comment per chance. there
> might be some deep esoteric vein I wasn't aware of.
> Evidently not.
> Then Cythera kissed ass and I thought
> 'what a dumb boob'.
> But then we all know that.
Jeeze, she makes it so painfully obvious.
> It does remind me of two poems.
> One, I wrote (which may have been his inspiration).
> I'll post it.
That should be "interesting & intelligent"... heh.
> The second, by a poet whose politics I'm not
> very fond of, nonetheless, it seems to be popular
> with those of like mind.
>
> The Red Wheelbarrow
> William Carlos Williams
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> so much depends
> upon
> a red wheel
> barrow
>
> glazed with rain
> water
>
> beside the white
> chickens.
> ----------------------------
>
> Now that I would surmise might be considered
> 'intelligent and good' by some.
> Although personally, I find it somewhat weak
> and mostly a mild color juxtaposition.
>
> C'est La Vie!
--
Will Dockery
> On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > not mine, not yours.
>
> Intelligent and good.
Well... "intelligent and good", huh? How so?
On-topic and of interest, I just came across an interesting thread
over at http://www.poets.org
Which in my opinion PJR's "Betty" is a serious contender for placement
in. Don't agree? Then amuse me by telling me why?
http://www.poets.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54176&sid=c7c1894e51386193c16032ff3426d59d
Some fair-use excerpts:
"...If we take the question of "worst poet ever" at face value it's a
no-brainer. Bud's choice, William Topaz McGonagall, is the hands-down
winner. For a century before Rod McKuen McGonagall's name served as a
synonym for bad poetry..."
"...I'll eliminate the usual suspects (e.g. Maya Angelou, Charles
Bukowski, Kahlil Gibran, Rod McKuen) as non-poets. That still leaves a
wealth of choices, though: Billy Collins, Dana Gioia, Allen Ginsberg,
Edgar Guest, et cetera. My pick is an individual who has devoted his
life to reminding us all what poetry isn't, a "poet" permanently stuck
in "I'm-so-deep-I'm-damned-near-Japanese" adolescence, a man who has
raised vacuity, self-promotion and pretension to art forms: Lawrence
Ferlinghetti..."
"...My choice: Peter Orlovsky. http://boppin.com/orlovsky.html "
And the thread goes on for page after page: Intelligent and
interesting... indeed.
ray heinrich
> might be some deep esoteric vein I wasn't aware of
I thought there was. There's usually a deep esoteric vein running
around somewhere. If you can't find it (or make it up), you're not a
very good reader.
You could change: "Intelligent and good" to
"With correct interpretation, this is deeply esoteric.
That would be: WC-I-TIDE
How about:
so much depends
upon
a red woolen
hat
not yellow
not blue
against Batty's
ears.
Ray
put the gun down
tx_max_king
> Batty / PJR
>
> > might be some deep esoteric vein I wasn't aware of
>
> I thought there was. There's usually a deep esoteric vein running
> around somewhere. If you can't find it (or make it up), you're not a
> very good reader.
>
> You could change: "Intelligent and good" to
> "With correct interpretation, this is deeply esoteric.
> That would be: WC-I-TIDE
>
> How about:
>
> so much depends
> upon
>
> a red woolen
> hat
>
> not yellow
> not blue
>
> against Batty's
> ears.
Still just sems like trite imagery to me, Ray.
Doesn't explain Cythera's orgasm over it.
Yet Cythera is allowed her orgasms any time
she feels the need.
More is better.
-max
(maybe he was attempting the Heinrich style, hmmm)
>
> Ray
>
> put the gun downhttp://wordbiscuit.com
George Dance
> On Nov 23, 6:32 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Betty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > that's red. It warms her ears, Betty's ears,
> > > not mine, not yours.
>
> > Intelligent and good.
>
> Well... "intelligent and good", huh? How so?
>
> On-topic and of interest, I just came across an interesting thread
>
> Which in my opinion PJR's "Betty" is a serious contender for placement
> in. Don't agree? Then amuse me by telling me why?
>
>
> Some fair-use excerpts:
>
> "...If we take the question of "worst poet ever" at face value it's a
> no-brainer. Bud's choice, William Topaz McGonagall, is the hands-down
> winner. For a century before Rod McKuen McGonagall's name served as a
> synonym for bad poetry..."
>
> "...I'll eliminate the usual suspects (e.g. Maya Angelou, Charles
> Bukowski, Kahlil Gibran, Rod McKuen) as non-poets. That still leaves a
> wealth of choices, though: Billy Collins, Dana Gioia, Allen Ginsberg,
> Edgar Guest, et cetera. My pick is an individual who has devoted his
> life to reminding us all what poetry isn't, a "poet" permanently stuck
> in "I'm-so-deep-I'm-damned-near-Japanese" adolescence, a man who has
> raised vacuity, self-promotion and pretension to art forms: Lawrence
> Ferlinghetti..."
>
>
> And the thread goes on for page after page: Intelligent and
> interesting... indeed.
>
> --
> "Truck Stop Woman" by Will Dockery (the video)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
Interesting read. I notice Colin goes on to pick a worse usenet poet,
as it usenet is special enough to merit its own categories. I wouldn't
put PJ there, though, despite Batty and possibly hundreds of poems as
poor, as he's written one or two good ones as well (and the worst poet
should have never written a good one). He's a tosser, who never seems
to spend more than 10 minutes on a poem; but even tossers get lucky
and put out a good one now and then. One point in his favour is that
he never produces two poems the same, and unvarying sameness looks
like an essential component for the worst poet: if you've read one of
his poems, you've read them all.
I'd have to think for a while about whom I'd pick for worst recognized
poet, but for worst internet poet it's a slam dunk: Tom Zart, "God's
most humble poet."
I’m God’s most humble poet
Whose poems have meter and rhyme.
Stories of love, faith, hate, honor and duty,
Obedience, war, heroes, history and crime.
I’ve performed my gift on T.V. and radio
Before millions I’ve never met.
Preached my praise of God and country
With 350 poems on the net.
[etc. etc.]
Tom Zart
George Dance
> Batty / PJR
>
> > might be some deep esoteric vein I wasn't aware of
>
> I thought there was. There's usually a deep esoteric vein running
> around somewhere. If you can't find it (or make it up), you're not a
> very good reader.
>
> You could change: "Intelligent and good" to
> "With correct interpretation, this is deeply esoteric.
> That would be: WC-I-TIDE
>
I always translate "Intelligent" in a crit as "I understood it" and
"good" as "I liked it" (as coming from a believer in objective
aesthetics).
I don't think the burden is on the reader to find a meaning; if he
comes up with his own, that's usually fine -- though I've read some
interpretations of poems here that seem deliberately perverse -- but I
don't think it's his job to supply one. Asking him to do tht is asking
him to do the poet's work for him.
> How about:
>
> so much depends
> upon
>
> a red woolen
> hat
>
> not yellow
> not blue
>
> against Batty's
> ears.
>
> Ray
>
> put the gun downhttp://wordbiscuit.com
George Dance
>
> > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Betty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > that's red. It warms her ears, Betty's ears,
> > > not mine, not yours.
>
> > Intelligent and good.
>
> Well... "intelligent and good", huh? How so?
>
> On-topic and of interest, I just came across an interesting thread
>
> Which in my opinion PJR's "Betty" is a serious contender for placement
> in. Don't agree? Then amuse me by telling me why?
>
>
> Some fair-use excerpts:
>
> "...If we take the question of "worst poet ever" at face value it's a
> no-brainer. Bud's choice, William Topaz McGonagall, is the hands-down
> winner. For a century before Rod McKuen McGonagall's name served as a
> synonym for bad poetry..."
>
> "...I'll eliminate the usual suspects (e.g. Maya Angelou, Charles
> Bukowski, Kahlil Gibran, Rod McKuen) as non-poets. That still leaves a
> wealth of choices, though: Billy Collins, Dana Gioia, Allen Ginsberg,
> Edgar Guest, et cetera. My pick is an individual who has devoted his
> life to reminding us all what poetry isn't, a "poet" permanently stuck
> in "I'm-so-deep-I'm-damned-near-Japanese" adolescence, a man who has
> raised vacuity, self-promotion and pretension to art forms: Lawrence
> Ferlinghetti..."
>
>
> And the thread goes on for page after page: Intelligent and
> interesting... indeed.
>
> --
> "Truck Stop Woman" by Will Dockery (the video)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
PS - I also think Colin's wrong about the worst 19th-century poet, who
he claims is McGonagall. I think that honour belongs to Canadian James
McIntyre. As evidence, check out McIntyre's "Shelley" that I posted
today.
http://groups.google.ca/group/alt.arts.poetry.comments/msg/e76f7cf4bbc65517?hl=en
George Dance
> On Nov 24, 9:29 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Hell, if we get rid of "Batty", we can cut PJ out of the credits, too,
> > and put you in. (Of course we have to change 'his' to 'her' in the
> > last line. Let's see what ray thinks.
>
> That sounds like an interesting & intelligent idea to me...
>
BTW, I checked out Colin's reference, in his 'worst poet' message you
quoted upthread, "that one of the best online poets around has joined
this discussion. We are in the presence of greatness, people!" That
has to be a reference to ray heinrich (who posted onto the thread, but
didn't pick a worst poet).
So I'm starting to doubt that ray will be willing to get involved in
this project. But I'll keep plugging along, nevertheless.
For this latest edit, I dropped the Dance Mix subtitle, and I added
more colours: Rice's, then whatever I could remember on my own, then
the HTML colour names. If you could think of any colours we've missed,
that would be great, too.
Betty
Betty's hat is a good hat.
It's a Red wool hat.
It isn't Alabaster or Alice Blue
or Almond or Amber
or Amethyst or Antique Brass
or Apple Green or Apricot
or Aqua or Aquamarine
or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine
or Auburn or Azure
or Baby Blue or Baby Pink
or Banana Mania or Beaver
or Beige or Bittersweet
or Black or Blizzard Blue
or Blue or Blue Bell
or Blue Gray or Blue Green
or Blue Violet or Blush
or Brick Red or Bronze
or Brown or Burgundy
or Burnt Orange or Burnt Sienna
or Cadet Blue or Canary
or Caribbean Green or Carnation Pink
or Cerise or Cerulean
or Champagne or Charcoal
or Chartreuse or Chestnut
or Chocolate or Cinnamon
or Claret or Cobalt
or Copper or Coral
or Corn or Cornflower
or Cotton Candy or Cream
or Cyan or Dandelion
or Denim or Desert Sand
or Ebony or Ecru
or Eggplant or Eggshell
or Electric Lime or Emerald
or Fawn or Fern
or Fire Engine Red or Forest Green
or Fuchsia or Fuzzy Wuzzy
or Gold or Goldenrod
or Granny Smith Apple or Gray
or Green or Green Blue
or Green Yellow or Honey Dew
or Hot Magenta or Hunter Green
or Inchworm or Indigo
or Ivory or Jade
or Jazzberry Jam or Jungle Green
or Kelly Green or Khaki
or Laser Lemon or Lavender
or Lawn Green or Lemon Yellow
or Lilac or Macaroni and Cheese
or Magenta or Magnola
or Magic Mint or Mahogany
or Maize or Manatee
or Mango Tango or Maroon
or Mauvelous or Melon
or Midnight Blue or Moss Green
or Mountain Meadow or Mulberry
or Mustard or Navy Blue
or Neon Carrot or Ochre
or Olive Drab or Olive Green
or Orange or Orange Red
or Orange Yellow or Orchid
or Outer Space or Outrageous Orange
or Pacific Blue or Peach
or Pear or Pearl
or Periwinkle or Persimmon
or Piggy Pink or Pine Green
or Pink Flamingo or Pink Sherbert
or Platinum or Plum
or Power Blue or Primrose
or Puce or Pumpkin
or Purple Heart or Purple Mountain's Majesty
or Purple Pizzazz or Radical Red
or Raspberry or Raw Sienna
or Raw Umber or Razzle Dazzle Rose
or Razzmatazz or Red Orange
or Red Violet or Robin's Egg Blue
or Rose or Royal Blue
or Royal Purple or Ruby
or Russet or Rust
or Saffron or Salmon
or Sapphire or Scarlet
or Screamin' Green or Sea Green
or Sepia or Shadow
or Shamrock or Shocking Pink
or Silver or Sky Blue
or Slate or Sorrel
or Spring Green or Steel Blue
or Sunglow or Sunset Orange
or Tan or Taupe
or Teal Blue or Terracotta
or Thistle or Tickle Me Pink
or Timberwolf or Titian
or Topaz or Tropical Rain Forest
or Tumbleweed or Turquoise Blue
or Ultramarine or Umber
or Unmellow Yellow or Vermilion
or Violet (Purple) or Violet Blue
or Violet Red or Vivid Tangerine
or Vivid Violet or White
or Wild Blue Yonder or Wild Strawberry
or Wild Watermelon or Wisteria
or Yellow or Yellow Green
or Yellow Orange or Zinnober
but just a hat that's Red.
It warms her ears, just Betty's ears.
poem by ray heinrich, George Dance, & Will Dockery
prettystuzz
<57d7888c-6c79-4e75...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Black isn't a color. It's an abstract fiction that exists only in the
mind, something like consonants, which can also be spelled out and made
to exist by consensus.
George Dance
All colours exist only in the mind. The claim that colours exist in
external reality, or objectively, means only that something exists
outside the mind that causes the mind to see the colour.
I can see (and by analogy) anyone can see black. Black's the colour
the mind normally sees when one closes one's lids. There are things
with a colour that looks close enough to that template (coal, ebony,
some girls' hair) that we can say they're coloured black.
Where, oh, where is the lovely and talented Karla to ask me what type
of commentary I want? Nowhere, so I'll have to just say. I want more
colour words. I've got it up from 70 lines to over 100, but I'm sure
it can be improved.
prettystuzz
c/p it from Google Groups to my news reader...
On Nov 27, 10:31am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Nov 26, 11:06pm, prettystuzz <leich...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article
> > <57d7888c-6c79-4e75-9124-5bc513202...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
> > George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
<snip>
> > Black isn't a color. It's an abstract fiction that exists only in the
> > mind, something like consonants, which can also be spelled out and made
> > to exist by consensus.
>
> All colours exist only in the mind. The claim that colours exist in
> external reality, or objectively, means only that something exists
> outside the mind that causes the mind to see the colour.
Okay, evidently neither of us knows what he's talking about, meaning we
belong here. And we're both apparently talking about the so-called
'visible spectrum' of light. Presumably light existed long before
anything we could call a mind with a lower-case em. Try to convince me
that the different frequencies of light waves don't correspond to what
we lay folk call 'color'. Mindless beasts and any number of other living
things respond to those frequencies; and as far as our own pea brains
can tell, those living things recognize and distinguish among 'colors'
if they have the optical and neurological receptors or whatever.
Since I'm already here, I'll go off philosophically and say that things
are not at all the color we see them to be, but rather they are the
complement, even the contrary of what we see. If we see a green leaf,
what we see is only what the leaf is reflecting and therefore the leaf
is absorbing red, having no green whatsoever (or too little of it to be
called 'green'); that is, the leaf, from its point of view, is red on
the outside; or, more precisely, its true color is everything but green,
which is why we can only see the green in the light.
>
> I can see (and by analogy) anyone can see black. Black's the colour
> the mind normally sees when one closes one's lids. There are things
> with a colour that looks close enough to that template (coal, ebony,
> some girls' hair) that we can say they're coloured black.
Then we agree about 'black' (of course, hair is colored by blood and
other colorful substances) but not yet about whether true colors exist
in the external world with or without our eyeballs and their minds.
The funny part (or Platonic part) is that we can't 'see' light at all,
even though 'white' light contains and comprises the entire visible
spectrum of 'color(s)'; we speak of that light as 'transparent'; yet
it's what makes everything else visible, especially, or most starkly by
contrast, what we call 'black', i.e., wherever there is no light.
From Black Elk: "Certain things among the shadows of a man's life do not
have to be remembered - they remember themselves".
>
> Where, oh, where is the lovely and talented Karla to ask me what type
> of commentary I want? Nowhere, so I'll have to just say. I want more
> colour words. I've got it up from 70 lines to over 100, but I'm sure
> it can be improved.
On my draft card is the color called Hazel.
prettystuzz
prettystuzz <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> > I can see (and by analogy) anyone can see black. Black's the colour
> > the mind normally sees when one closes one's lids. There are things
> > with a colour that looks close enough to that template (coal, ebony,
> > some girls' hair) that we can say they're coloured black.
>
> Then we agree about 'black' (of course, hair is colored by blood and
> other colorful substances) but not yet about whether true colors exist
> in the external world with or without our eyeballs and their minds.
I moved a paragraph (now lost) during that reply but never pasted it
back:
Normally when I close my lids my optic nerve and neurons continue
firing, and I don't see anything I or you would call 'black'; I don't
even think of it as being 'dark', but I suppose if I were in a
pitch-black dark space or a light-tight room, after some minutes I might
'see' what we'd call 'darkness' or 'black(ness)'. (I'm pretty sure Monet
painted that color, which he called something like 'deep darkness' in
all of his Nymph�es murals; it's also the color the US Navy weaves into
its pea coats and sweaters). But instead of our eye lids and eyes, let's
use a camera with its lens cap fitted tight onto the lens and expose a
roll of negative film inside the camera, with the camera inside a
light-tight environment like a darkroom. Now let's develop the film and
see what we get. We get a roll of negatives, every one of which is
completely transparent, or 'clear'; that is, the film's frames are
entirely devoid of any and every color; that is, there's nothing there
because the developing fluid etched away all of the emulsion since
nothing was there to arrest it, or more precisely, to attach its
electrons or ions to; the only thing(s) you can see on or in the film is
nothingness, and its positive version would look black if you exposed it
to photosensitive paper and developed the paper (but the 'image' could
not be 'black' since the paper must have some pigmentation in it. WIth
transparency (slide) film, the issues are different; yet on the
developed (positive) slide, you would see the entire emulsion, so to
say, which is more like 'black' paint than 'natural' light or its
absence.
Will Dockery
We're writing from the Shadowville angle, like Carson McCullers & Alan
Moore before us, where it is written on the Subway walls:
"Where black is the color, where none is the number."
prettystuzz
<57d7888c-6c79-4e75...@d10g2000yqh.googlegroups.com>,
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
There's what shirt makers call French Blue. There's Tobacco. There's
Coffee and Cafe Au Lait. There's Off-White. Cardinal Red. Graphite.
Camel. Roan. Palomino. Blood. Snot. Earwax. And about a dozen Minwax
names (Walnut, Cherry, Honey Pine, Oak, etc.). And Flax, Straw, & Hay.
prettystuzz
<1daea160-d4a9-411a...@v30g2000yqm.googlegroups.com>,
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Black isn't a color. It's an abstract fiction that exists only in the
> > mind, something like consonants, which can also be spelled out and made
> > to exist by consensus.
>
> We're writing from the Shadowville angle, like Carson McCullers & Alan
> Moore before us, where it is written on the Subway walls:
>
> "Where black is the color, where none is the number."
I've seen that cross-posted onto some Quizno's walls, cross-posted on a
Blimpie's sidewalk, but not at any Subway, though I'm not doubting you.
prettystuzz
<1b2c01c2-8b57-4467...@p8g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
Kiwi, and therefore Cordovan, Natural, Neutral & Saddle. From old
Crayola, Flesh and Oxblood.
You have "Power Blue" - did you mean 'Powder Blue'? And why-oh-why
didn't you list blond and blonde? Is Brunette allowed? Tow? Guacamole?
Molasses? Maple!!!
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > > Black isn't a color. It's an abstract fiction that exists only in the
> > > mind, something like consonants, which can also be spelled out and made
> > > to exist by consensus.
>
> > We're writing from the Shadowville angle, like Carson McCullers & Alan
> > Moore before us, where it is written on the Subway walls:
>
> > "Where black is the color, where none is the number."
>
> I've seen that cross-posted onto some Quizno's walls, cross-posted on a
> Blimpie's sidewalk, but not at any Subway, though I'm not doubting you.
Back in the early 1980s, 1981-83 or so, the wall grafitti here in
Shadowville was "The Clash" & "Patti Smith"... almost 30 years later
John Jonsey's spray painted homage to The Clash still remains on a
brick wall on the corner of Hamilton Road and 20-something-street, the
corner that used to be the location of Amanda's Diner, a historic
stretch that led in one direction to the then already history attempt
at a "hippie district" here, cenetred by the Electric Toadstool on one
end, and Tomahawk Records on the other. This was 1969-1971 or close to
those years, where I bought my first underground comic, "The Fabulous
Furry Freak Brothers" at an interesting attempt at an "alternative
strip mall"... and I think this is the first time any of this has made
it into the Usenet Archives, so thanks, Stuart, and more later, of
course.
Now, as the poem continues, here's my additions for the day, or for
now:
> > Betty Palin
>
> > Betty's hat is a good hat.
> > It's a Red wool hat.
> > It isn't Alabaster or Alice Blue
> > or Almond or Amber
> > or Amethyst or Antique Brass
> > or Apple Green or Apricot
> > or Aqua or Aquamarine
> > or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine
> > or Auburn or Azure
> > or Baby Blue or Baby Pink
> > or Banana Mania or Beaver
> > or Beige or Bittersweet
> > or Black or Blizzard Blue
> > or Blue or Blue Bell
> > or Blue Gray or Blue Green
> > or Blue Violet or Blush
> > or Brick Red or Bronze
> > or Brown or Burgundy
> > or Burnt Orange or Burnt Sienna
or Burnt Umber from Crayolas past,
or the Pale Blue Eyes of Canaan
> > or Pear or Pearl
> > or Periwinkle or Persimmon
> > or Piggy Pink or Pine Green
> > or Pink Flamingo or Pink Sherbert
> > or Platinum or Plum
or Platazul, that Silvery Blue
Come on Stuart, add a color or two... or maybe a spoken word interlude
or sample, where you repeat, "Black is not a colour"... "Black is not
a colour..." like in Revolution Number Nine?
Will Dockery
Exactly, which is where I so well recall Burnt Umber.
> You have "Power Blue" - did you mean 'Powder Blue'?
I saw that & dig power blue (& powder blue, which reminds me of Neal Young &
Powderfinger) in the way that it evokes Robert Blake & David Bowie & Blue,
Blue Electric Blue, which was the color of the first car I drove much of, a
1969 Plymouth Satelite which my father bought brand-new in LaGrange Georgia
on Troup Street the same day the first issue of the Gil Kane/Roy Thomas
version of Captain Marvel appeared in the Rexall Drug Store spinner rack.
So... Powder & Power in Electric Blue washboard... those other colours you
named here & elsewhere I dig, somewhat, and the old Crayola racism makes the
poem so... topical. Get it?
So for my part of the "Betty Palin" poem, all that should go in, and more,
or less.
And why-oh-why
> didn't you list blond and blonde? Is Brunette allowed? Tow? Guacamole?
> Molasses? Maple!!!
That's it... you really need a credit line, but it'll make it easier on the
hefty credits if you go Alan Moore & refuse...
--
Friday & Saturday night at Del Ranch: David McBride and Raisin' Kane!
http://www.myspace.com/delranch
Will Dockery
"prettystuzz" <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:leichtes-89CF2C...@news.giganews.com...
My father, Kelly H. Dockery's, car, which I drove from 1974-75 during the
bluebeat generation:
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/1968-1969-plymouth-sport-satellite-gtx-4.jpg
And, yes... I think I spelled Satellite wrong in the last post, but posted
before I could check...
prettystuzz
> >> external reality, or objectively, means only that something exists
> >> outside the mind that causes the mind to see the colour.
>
> >> I can see (and by analogy) anyone can see black. Black's the colour
> >> the mind normally sees when one closes one's lids. There are things
> >> with a colour that looks close enough to that template (coal, ebony,
> >> some girls' hair) that we can say they're coloured black.
>
> >> Where, oh, where is the lovely and talented Karla to ask me what type
> >> of commentary I want? Nowhere, so I'll have to just say. I want more
> >> colour words. I've got it up from 70 lines to over 100, but I'm sure
> >> it can be improved.
>
> > Kiwi, and therefore Cordovan, Natural, Neutral & Saddle. From old
> > Crayola, Flesh and Oxblood.
>
Not exactly, I was wrong, Oxblood was an Esquire Boot Polish color.
>
> > You have "Power Blue" - did you mean 'Powder Blue'?
>
> I saw that & dig power blue (& powder blue, which reminds me of Neal Young &
> Powderfinger) in the way that it evokes Robert Blake & David Bowie & Blue,
> Blue Electric Blue, which was the color of the first car I drove much of, a
> 1969 Plymouth Satelite which my father bought brand-new in LaGrange Georgia
> on Troup Street the same day the first issue of the Gil Kane/Roy Thomas
> version of Captain Marvel appeared in the Rexall Drug Store spinner rack.
>
I think there's an 'i' in the first name of the last part of CSN&Y, like
Patricia Neal has two in hers. You're trying to recall that motorcycle
from that movie directed by the guy who helped make Terry Kath famous,
who can still be heard on 'Colour My World', maybe CTA's spelling nod to
the Blackhawks.
> So... Powder & Power in Electric Blue washboard... those other colours you
> named here & elsewhere I dig, somewhat, and the old Crayola racism makes the
> poem so... topical. Get it?
>
Band-Aids are now transparent, but I wouldn't go so far as to use the r-
word about all that, I mean if you knew how to use Crayolas and a butter
knife (or Person Scout knife), you'd start with that Flesh crayon for
your base and you could add other colors to make any person's flesh look
genuine if a tetch too waxy.
> So for my part of the "Betty Palin" poem, all that should go in, and more,
> or less.
>
> And why-oh-why
>
> > didn't you list blond and blonde? Is Brunette allowed? Tow? Guacamole?
> > Molasses? Maple!!!
>
> That's it... you really need a credit line, but it'll make it easier on the
> hefty credits if you go Alan Moore & refuse...
But how could he not mention Maple? Would you ever forget to mention
Short'n'n Bread or Dirty Rice?
Will Dockery
"prettystuzz" <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
I remember the old Kiwi polish my father shined his combat boots with, but
it never had a colour, being Black:
http://www.copquest.com/82-5040.jpg
I note the Kiwi himself is White with Red Eyes.
That would be bright Red, like in the flags and football costumes, then? The
Maples not the rice and/or bread, that is.
Will Dockery
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
Honey Pie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a5_m5Wfb6k
Oak, etc.). And Flax, Straw, & Hay.
Hay & Hazel...
George Dance
> On Nov 27, 2:33 pm, prettystuzz <leich...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > Betty
>
snip
>
> > There's what shirt makers call French Blue. There's Tobacco. There's
> > Coffee and Cafe Au Lait. There's Off-White. Cardinal Red. Graphite.
> > Camel. Roan. Palomino. Blood. Snot. Earwax. And about a dozen Minwax
> > names (Walnut, Cherry, Honey Pine,
>
> Honey Pie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a5_m5Wfb6k
>
> Oak, etc.). And Flax, Straw, & Hay.
>
> Hay & Hazel...
>
> --
> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Thanks for all your help, men. I added those, and a few more that I've
come up with. The poem's now up to 165 lines (from 70 after I
reformatted ray's draft). I put in quince and xanthic, so that every
letter has a colour. I've also changed the endline, taking out ears
and substituting 'head': that takes it one more step away from PJ
Ross's original. (Which I'd like to do more of, BTW: probably changing
the colour and material of the hat as well, and I'm open to
suggestions on that score.
I don't really want to change 'Red,' though, since (as a bonus)
changing 'ears' to 'head' also gives us a concluding rhyme; and a
poem's not a poem unless it rhymes, innit?
I've also taken everyone else's name off, since I think I've
contributed enough original effort to make this edit mine. But of
course (as with the two Let's Write a Poem efforts) anyone else who
contributed (inc. Stuart) is free to take the same material to and
make it their poem. For example, at the extreme, if Will wants to
retitle it Betty Palin and keep everything else the same, that's fine
with me (though if you go that route, Will, you should take 'Blue' and
'White' out of the colour list, and make her hat Red, White, and
Blue.)
Betty
Betty's hat is a good hat.
It's a Red wool hat.
It isn't Alabaster or Alice Blue
or Almond or Amaranth
or Amber or Amethyst
or Antique Brass or Apple Green
or Apricot or Aqua
or Aquamarine or Arsenic
or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine
or Auburn or Azure
or Baby Blue or Baby Pink
or Banana Mania or Battleship Gray
or Bay or Beaver
or Beige or Biscuit
or Bisque or Bistre
or Bittersweet or Black
or Blizzard Blue or Blond
or Blood or Blue
or Blue Bell or Blue Gray
or Blue Green or Blue Violet
or Blush or Bole
or bondi blue or Brandeis Blue
or Brick Red or Bronze
or Brown or Buff
or Burgundy or Burnt Almond
or Burnt Orange or Burnt Sienna
or Burnt Umber or Butterscotch
or Cadet Blue or Cafe au Lait
or Camel or Canary
or Candy Apple Red or Caramel
or Cardinal or Caribbean Green
or Carmine or Carnation Pink
or Carnelion or Carrot
or Cerise or Cerulean
or Champagne or Charcoal
or Chartreuse or Chestnut
or Chocolate or Cinnamon
or Claret or Cobalt
or Cocoa or Coffee
or Columbia Blue or Columbine
or Copper or Coral
or Corbeau or Cordovan
or Corn or Cornflower
or Cotton Candy or Cream
or Crimson or Cyan
or Dandelion or Dartmouth Green
or Denim or Desert Sand
or Dove Gray or Dun
or Ebony or Ecru
or Eggplant or Eggshell
or Electric Blue or Electric Lime
or Emerald or Eton Green
or Fallow or Fandango
or Fawn or Fern
or Fire Engine Red or Flax
or Flesh or Forest Green
or French Blue or Fuchsia
or Fuzzy Wuzzy or Garnet
or Ginger or Gold
or Goldenrod or Granny Smith Apple
or Grape or Graphite
or Gray or Greige
or Green or Green Blue
or Green Yellow or Guacamole
or Hay or Hazel
or Heather or Henna
or Hoar Gray or Honey Dew
or Honey or Honey Pine
or Hot Magenta or Hot Pink
or Hunter Green or Hyacinth
or Ice Blue or Incarnadine
or Inchworm or Indigo
or Iron Gray or Isabelline
or Islamic Green or Ivory
or Jacinthe or Jasmine
or Jade or Jazzberry Jam
or Jonquil or Jungle Green
or Kelly Green or Khaki
or Laser Lemon or Lava
or Lavender or Lawn Green
or Lemon Yellow or Lilac
or Lime or Liver
or Macaroni and Cheese or Magenta
or Magnolia or Magic Mint
or Mahogany or Maize
or Malachite or Manatee
or Mango or Maple
or Marigold or Marmalade
or Maroon or Mauve
or Melon or Midnight Blue
or Mikado Yellow or Mint Green
or Misty Rose or Molasses
or Moss Green or Mountain Meadow
or Mountbatten Pink or Mousy
or Mud or Mulberry
or Mustard or Myrtle
or Nasturtium or Nattier Blue
or Natural or Navajo White
or Navy Blue or Neon Carrot
or Neutral or Nile Blue
or Nutmeg or Oak
of Oatmeal or Ochre
or Off-White or Olive Drab
or Olive Green or Olivine
or Orange or Orange Red
or Orange Yellow or Orchid
or Outer Space or Outrageous Orange
or Oxblood or Oyster White
or Pacific Blue or Palomino
or Pansy Purple or Peach
or Peacock Green or Pea Green
or Pear or Pearl
or Periwinkle or Persimmon
or Petunia or Piggy Pink
or Pine Green or Pink Flamingo
or Pink Sherbert or Pistachio
or Platinum or Plum
or Poppy or Powder Blue
or Powder Gray or Primrose
or Prussian Blue or Puce
or Pumpkin or Purple Heart
or Purple Mountain's Majesty or Purple Pizzazz
or Putty or Quince
or Radical Red or Raven
or Raspberry or Raw Sienna
or Raw Umber or Razzle Dazzle Rose
or Razzmatazz or Red Orange
or Red Violet or Rifle Green
or Roan or Robin's Egg Blue
or Rose or Royal Blue
or Royal Purple or Ruby
or Russet or Rust
or Sable or Saddle
or Saffron or Sage Green
or Salmon or Sandalwood
or Sapphire or Saxe Blue
or Scarlet or Screamin' Green
or Sea Green or Sepia
or Shadow or Shamrock
or Shocking Pink or Silver
or Sky Blue or Slate
or Sorrel or Spring Green
or Steel Blue or Straw
or Sunglow or Sunset Orange
or Taffy or Tan
or Tangerine or Taupe
or Teal Blue or Terracotta
or Thistle or Tickle Me Pink
or Timberwolf or Titian
or Tobacco or Topaz
or Tow or Tropical Rain Forest
or Tumbleweed or Turquoise
or Ultramarine or Umber
or Unmellow Yellow or Vermilion
or Violet (Purple) or Violet Blue
or Violet Red or Vivid Tangerine
or Vivid Violet or Walnut
or Wedgewood Blue or White
or Wild Blue Yonder or Wild Strawberry
or Wild Watermelon or Wisteria
or Xanthic or Yellow
or Yellow Green or Yellow Ochre
or Yellow Orange or Zinnober
but just a hat that's Red.
It warms her head, just Betty's head.
George Dance
ChristianKnight
Quite a catalouge.
Christ's love
ray heinrich
Colour. (Re-installed my favourite editor and it's spell
checker is stuck in a dictionary labeled: "Real-English".
I can only assume the U.S. dictionary I can't get to is
labeled: "Wanker-English" (ha ha very funny you perverse
lime-sucking hacker). But I've decided not to change it
for now because it's obviously a dancing lesson from god(s).
Anyway... assuming colour is the answer your brain comes up
with when viewing combinations of various energies of photons,
I googled for experiment-based estimates. Seems that primates
can discern about 1 to 10 million different colors. (Birds got
lots more.) Nice link:
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml
Also: Is black a color? Is white a color?
http://www.colormatters.com/vis_bk_white.html
So I decided to name the colours after their respective numbers,
make a script to list the numbers from 9,999,999 million to 0,
and paste these colours into the poem. Think of them as
minimal techno electronic dance colours:
Betty
Betty's hat is a good hat.
It's a Red(colour #1,537,391) wool hat.
or Christ's love or Satan's hate
or Puppy Poo or Frog Vomit
or colour #9,999,999
or colour #9,999,998
or colour #9,999,997
...
or colour #1,537,390
or colour #1,537,392
...
or colour #3
or colour #2
or colour #1
or colour #0
but just a hat that's red(colour #1,537,391).
It warms her head, just Betty's head.
The whole poem is at:
http://wordbiscuit.com/BattyHat.htm
Ray
P.S.
An obpoem's not a obpoem unless it rhymes:
Batty's hat's an invisible red
It sits quite nicely on his head.
Not green, not blue, and not for me.
A hat, that only he can see.
- - -
.
put the gun down
George Dance
> Just got back from turkey-day. So...
>
> Colour. (Re-installed my favourite editor and it's spell
> checker is stuck in a dictionary labeled: "Real-English".
> I can only assume the U.S. dictionary I can't get to is
> labeled: "Wanker-English" (ha ha very funny you perverse
> lime-sucking hacker). But I've decided not to change it
> for now because it's obviously a dancing lesson from god(s).
>
> Anyway... assuming colour is the answer your brain comes up
> with when viewing combinations of various energies of photons,
> I googled for experiment-based estimates. Seems that primates
> can discern about 1 to 10 million different colors. (Birds got
> lots more.) Nice link:http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2006/JenniferLeong.shtml
>
>
> So I decided to name the colours after their respective numbers,
> make a script to list the numbers from 9,999,999 million to 0,
> and paste these colours into the poem. Think of them as
> minimal techno electronic dance colours:
>
> Betty
>
> Betty's hat is a good hat.
> It's a Red(colour #1,537,391) wool hat.
> It isn't Alabaster or Alice Blue
> or Almond or Amaranth
> or Yellow Green or Yellow Ochre
> or Yellow Orange or Zinnober
> or colour #9,999,999
> or colour #9,999,998
> or colour #9,999,997
> ...
> or colour #1,537,390
> or colour #1,537,392
> ...
> or colour #3
> or colour #2
> or colour #1
> or colour #0
> but just a hat that's red(colour #1,537,391).
> It warms her head, just Betty's head.
>
> The whole poem is at:http://wordbiscuit.com/BattyHat.htm
>
> Ray
>
Yikes. I don't want to get involved in no 10-million-colour-word epic
-- at the rate I've been going (500 in 3 days), that would mean
completion in 60,000 days. So I'm cashing out right now, taking the
latest draft i've got and putting my name on it. I hope you do use it
as raw material and develop it further; and whatever you do, of course
consider it solely yours, not mine in any way.
Betty
Betty's hat is a good hat.
It's a Red felt hat.
It isn't Air Force Blue or Alabaster
or Alice Blue or Alizarin
or Almond or Amaranth
or Amaranth Cerise or Amber
or American Rose or Amethyst
or Android Green or Antique Brass
or Apple Green or Apricot
or Aqua or Aquamarine
or Army Green or Arsenic
or Asparagus or Atomic Tangerine
or Auburn or Azure
or Baby Blue or Baby Pink
or Banana or Battleship Gray
or Bay or Beaver
or Beige or Biscuit
or Bisque or Bistre
or Bittersweet or Black
or Blanched Almond or Blizzard Blue
or Blond or Blood
or Blue or Blue Bell
or Blue Gray or Blue Green
or Blue Violet or Blush
or Bole or Bondi Blue
or Brandeis Blue or Brass
or Brick Red or Brilliant Rose
or Brink Pink or British Racing Green
or Bronze or Brown
or Buff or Bulgarian Rose
or Burgundy or Burnt Almond
or Burnt Orange or Burnt Sienna
or Burnt Umber or Butterscotch
or Byzantine or Byzantium
or Cadet Blue or Cadmium Green
or Cadmium Orange or Cadmium Red
or Cadmium Yellow or Cafe au Lait
or Cambridge Blue or Camel
or Camouflage Green or Canary
or Candy Apple Red or Caput Mortuum
or Caramel or Cardinal
or Caribbean Green or Carmine
or Carmine Pink or Carmine Red
or Carnation or Carnelian
or Carolina Blue or Carrot
or Celadon or Cerise
or Cerise Pink or Cerulean
or Cerulean Blue or Champagne
or Charcoal or Chartreuse
or Cherry Blossom or Chestnut
or Chocolate or Cinnamon
or Claret or Classic Rose
or Cobalt or Cocoa
or Coffee or Columbia Blue
or Columbine or Cool Gray
or Copper or Copper Rose
or Coral or Coral Pink
or Coral Red or Corbeau
or Cordovan or Corn
or Cornflower or Cosmic Latte
or Cotton Candy or Cream
or Crimson or Cyan
or Dandelion or Dartmouth Green
or Davy's Gray or Denim
or Desert or Desert Sand
or Dodger Blue or Dogwood Rose
or Dove Gray or Drab
or Duke Blue or Dun
or Eagle Green or Earth Yellow
or Ebony or Ecru
or Eggplant or Eggshell
or Egyptian Blue or Electric Blue
or Electric Green or Electric Indigo
or Electric Lime or Electric Purple
or Electric Violet or Emerald
or Erythrean or Eton Blue
or Fallow or Falu Red
or Fandango or Fashion Fuchsia
or Fawn or Feldgrau
or Fern or Field Drab
or Firebrick or Fire Engine Red
or Flax or Flesh
or Forest Green or French Beige
or French Blue or French Rose
or Fuchsia or Fuchsia Pink
or Fuzzy Wuzzy or Gainsboro
or Gamboge or Garnet
or Ghost White or Ginger
or Gold or Golden Brown
or Golden Poppy or Goldenrod
or Golden Yellow or Granny Smith Apple
or Grape or Graphite
or Gray or Greige
or Green or Green Blue
or Green Yellow or Guacamole
or Halaya Ube or Han Blue
or Han Purple or Harlequin
or Hay or Hazel
or Heather or Heliotrope
or Henna or Hoar Gray
or Hoar White or Hollywood Cerise
or Honey or Honey Dew
or Honey Pine or Hot Magenta
or Hot Pink or Hunter Green
or Hyacinth or Ice Blue
or Incarnadine or Inchworm
or India Green or Indian Yellow
or Indigo or International Orange
or Iron Gray or Isabelline
or Islamic Green or Ivory
or Jacinthe or Jade
or Jasmine or Jazzberry Jam
or Jonquil or June Bud
or Jungle Green or Kelly Green
or Khaki or Klein Blue
or Lake or Languid Lavender
or Laser Lemon or Lava
or Lavender or Lawn Green
or Lemon or Lemon Chiffon
or Lilac or Lime
or Lincoln Green or Linen
or Liver or Luteous
or Macaroni and Cheese or Madder
or Magenta or Magic Mint
or Magnolia or Mahogany
or Maize or Majorelle Blue
or Malachite or Manatee
or Mango or Manilla
or Maple or Marigold
or Marmalade or Maroon
or Mauve or Mauve Taupe
or Maya Blue or Mazarine
or Meline or Melon
or Midnight Blue or Mikado Yellow
or Mint Cream or Mint Green
or Misty Rose or Mocassin
or Mocha or Mode Beige
or Molasses or Moss Green
or Mountain Meadow or Mountbatten Pink
or Mousy or MSU Green
or Mud or Mulberry
or Murrey or Mushroom
or Mustard or Myrtle
or Nasturtium or Nattier Blue
or Natural or Navajo White
or Navy Blue or Neon Carrot
or Neutral or Nile Blue
or Nutmeg or Oak
or Oatmeal or Ochre
or Office Green or Off-White
or Old Gold or Old Lace
or Old Lavender or Old Rose
or Olive Drab or Olive Green
or Olivine or Opera Mauve
or Orange or Orange Red
or Orange Yellow or Orchid
or Outer Space or Outrageous Orange
or Oxblood or Oyster White
or Pacific Blue or Palatinate Blue
or Palatinate Purple or Palomino
or Pansy Purple or Papaya Whip
or Paprika or Parchment
or Pastel Green or Pastel Pink
or Payne's Gray or Peach
or Peach Orange or Peach Puff
or Peach Yellow or Peacock Blue
or Pea Green or Pear
or Pearl or Periwinkle
or Persian Indigo or Persian Rose
or Persimmon or Peru
or Petunia or Phthalo Blue
or Phthalo Green or Pine Green
or Pink or Pink Flamingo
or Pink Orange or Pink Sherbert
or Pistachio or Platinum
or Plum or Poppy
or Portland Orange or Powder Blue
or Powder Gray or Primrose
or Prussian Blue or Psychedelic Purple
or Puce or Pumpkin
or Purple or Purple Heart
or Purple Mountain's Majesty or Purple Pizzazz
or Purple Taupe or Putty
or Quince or Radical Red
or Raspberry or Raspberry Rose
or Raven or Raw Sienna
or Raw Umber or Razzle Dazzle Rose
or Razzmatazz or Red Orange
or Red Violet or Rich Carmine
or Rich Lavender or Rich Maroon
or Rifle Green or Roan
or Robin's Egg Blue or Rose
or Rose Ebony or Rose Gold
or Rose Madder or Rose Quartz
or Rose Taupe or Rose Vale
or Rosewood or Rosy Brown
or Royal Blue or Royal Fuchsia
or Royal Purple or Ruby
or Russet or Rust
or Sable or Sacramento State Green
or Saddle Brown or Saffron
or Safety Orange or Sage
or Salmon or Salmon Pink
or Sand or Sandalwood
or Sand Dune or Sandy Brown
or Sangria or Sap Green
or Sapphire or Satin Sheen Gold
or Saxe Blue or Scarlet
or School Bus Yellow or Screamin' Green
or Sea Green or Seal Brown
or Seashell or Selective Yellow
or Sepia or Shadow
or Shamrock or Shocking Pink
or Sienna or Silver
or Skobeloff or Sky Blue
or Sky Magenta or Slate Blue
or Slate Gray or Smalt
or Snow or Sorrel
or Spring Bud or Spring Green
or Steel Blue or Straw
or Sunglow or Sunset Orange
or Taffy or Tan
or Tangelo or Tangerine
or Tangerine Yellow or Taupe
or Taupe Gray or Tawny
or Tea Green or Tea Rose
or Teal or Terracotta
or Thistle or Thulian Pink
or Tickle Me Pink or Tiffany Blue
or Timberwolf or Titian
or Tobacco or Tomato
or Topaz or Torch Red
or Tow or Tropical Rain Forest
or Tumbleweed or Turkish Rose
or Turquoise or Twilight Lavender
or Tyrian Purple or Ube
or Ultramarine or Umber
or UN Blue or Unmellow Yellow
or Upsdell Red or Vegas Gold
or Venetian Red or Vermilion
or Violet or Violet Blue
or Violet Red or Viridian
or Vivid Burgundy or Vivid Tangerine
or Vivid Violet or Walnut
or Watermelon or Wedgewood Blue
or Wenge or Wheat
or White or Wild Blue Yonder
or Wild Strawberry or Wisteria
or Xanadu or Xanthic
or Yale Blue or Yellow
or Yellow Green or Yellow Ochre
or Yellow Orange or Zinnober,
but just a hat that's Red.
It warms her head, just Betty's head.
> P.S.
> An obpoem's not a obpoem unless it rhymes:
>
> Batty's hat's an invisible red
> It sits quite nicely on his head.
> Not green, not blue, and not for me.
> A hat, that only he can see.
>
Batty's hat is a symbol, it's plain,
But I strive for the meaning in vain:
Is it 'intelligent'
To think what was meant
Was poet Pete's own batty brain?
> - - -
>
> .
> put the gun downhttp://wordbiscuit.com
Will Dockery
>
> Yikes. I don't want to get involved in no 10-million-colour-word epic
> -- at the rate I've been going (500 in 3 days), that would mean
> completion in 60,000 days. So I'm cashing out right now, taking the
> latest draft i've got and putting my name on it. I hope you do use it
> as raw material and develop it further; and whatever you do, of course
> consider it solely yours, not mine in any way.
>
> Betty
>
> Betty's hat is a good hat.
> It's a Red felt hat.
Bravo, red felt is good... maybe an homage to Ronee Blakely's big red
Stetson (not shown here):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSEP9oeUvJ8
But visible in luscious colour here with the Rolling Thunder Revue
almost exactly 34 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUu_RFSxIpQ
I thought he was talking about C-.
ray heinrich
What a list of colours! Gonna save this for itself but also for
possible
use as there's a LOT of work involved in assembling it from scratch.
-> George Dance said:
-> I always translate "Intelligent" in a crit as "I understood
-> it" and "good" as "I liked it" (as coming from a believer in
-> objective aesthetics).
Me too.
-> I don't think the burden is on the reader to find a meaning;
-> if he comes up with his own, that's usually fine -- though
-> I've read some interpretations of poems here that seem
-> deliberately perverse -- but I don't think it's his job to
-> supply one. Asking him to do that is asking him to do the
-> poet's work for him.
Job? Work? You make it sound so productive. :)
This pretty much sums it up for me:
"A poem is written first in its writer's language.
When you read it, you are translating it into your own language.
Which act requires more skill and creativity,
depends on the individual writer or reader."
Deliberately perverse interpretations can be fun, creative,
and sometimes even useful to one or both parties. (But usually,
in my subjective opinion, they're not entertaining enough.)
Ray
p.s You mentioned objective aesthetics. Generic or Rand?
p.p.s. This comes pretty close to my aesthetics:
"Evolutionary aesthetics ... the force of natural
selection moves a specific value from subjective to
objective. ... External forces (competing values, ideas,
groups; the extent of communication, random events, etc.)
determine how fast this change happens. Too little and
there is no change, too much and the change is reversed,
sometimes to the point of the value becoming so subjective
it is meaningless.
put the gun down
Will Dockery
>
> >http://www.poets.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=54176&sid=c7c1894e51386193...
>
> > Some fair-use excerpts:
>
> > "...If we take the question of "worst poet ever" at face value it's a
> > no-brainer. Bud's choice, William Topaz McGonagall, is the hands-down
> > winner. For a century before Rod McKuen McGonagall's name served as a
> > synonym for bad poetry..."
>
> > "...I'll eliminate the usual suspects (e.g. Maya Angelou, Charles
> > Bukowski, Kahlil Gibran, Rod McKuen) as non-poets. That still leaves a
> > wealth of choices, though: Billy Collins, Dana Gioia, Allen Ginsberg,
> > Edgar Guest, et cetera. My pick is an individual who has devoted his
> > life to reminding us all what poetry isn't, a "poet" permanently stuck
> > in "I'm-so-deep-I'm-damned-near-Japanese" adolescence, a man who has
> > raised vacuity, self-promotion and pretension to art forms: Lawrence
> > Ferlinghetti..."
>
> > "...My choice: Peter Orlovsky.http://boppin.com/orlovsky.html"
>
> > And the thread goes on for page after page: Intelligent and
> > interesting... indeed.
>
> > --
> > "Truck Stop Woman" by Will Dockery (the video)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvtQEf7bnfs
>
> PS - I also think Colin's wrong about the worst 19th-century poet, who
> he claims is McGonagall. I think that honour belongs to Canadian James
> McIntyre. As evidence, check out McIntyre's "Shelley" that I posted
> today.
>
I'll check him out, thanks GD.
--
"Black Crow's Brother & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
Peter J Ross
prettystuzz <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> In article
> <d6df4c66-1d40-4bb5...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> "G&tSP" <gan...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
>> On Nov 23, 6:32 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>> > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
>> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
>> > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
>> > > not mine, not yours.
>> >
>> > Intelligent and good.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
>> wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
>> and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
>> remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
>> metaphorically.
>
> There's a reason I don't look at rap and try to make sure I don't
> crosspost there.
Are you scared of something, Stuart?
--
PJR :-)
Will Dockery
> mom told you not to
"Intelligent & good..."
--
"Black Crow's Brother & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
prettystuzz
Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:38:23 -0500,
> prettystuzz <leic...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <d6df4c66-1d40-4bb5...@1g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
> > "G&tSP" <gan...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> >
> >> On Nov 23, 6:32 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> >> > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> >> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> >> > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> >> > > not mine, not yours.
> >> >
> >> > Intelligent and good.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >> The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
> >> wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
> >> and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
> >> remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
> >> metaphorically.
> >
> > There's a reason I don't look at rap and try to make sure I don't
> > crosspost there.
>
> Are you scared of something, Stuart?
Scared? Is that what one is when one's closet is bereft of one's
galoshes and dungarees?
Will Dockery
> On Nov 23, 6:32 pm, Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 20, 4:12 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > Batty's red woollen hat is a good hat.
> > > It's a hat that isn't yellow, it's just a hat
> > > that's red. It warms his ears, Batty's ears,
> > > not mine, not yours.
>
> > Intelligent and good.
>
> The above poem and critique (both reproduced in full here) deserve a
> wider exposure, IMO, because (1) both parties seem to enjoy reading
> and writing about "sucking," and (2) these are the best examples I
> remember ever seeing of the two ways that word can be used
> metaphorically.
"Intelligent and good."
Thanks for the laughs, Cythera.
=z=
>
> - Show quoted text -
Jet Black and Jet Blue?
Pina Colada
Quite a cantaloupe
said the toad,
mulling about the mud.
I'll camp out under
the tit of a mulberry
and wait for Lindbergh.
Will Dockery
> On Dec 3, 3:31 am, Will Dockery wrote:
>>Cythera <cyth...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> >> Intelligent and good.
>
> > Thanks for the laughs, Cythera.
>
"Here come the warm jets." -Brian Eno
http://music.hyperreal.org/artists/brian_eno/HCTWJlyrics.html
"The title Warm Jets came from the guitar sound on the track of that
name, which I described on the track sheet as 'warm jet guitar',
because it sounded like a tuned jet. Then I had the pack of playing
cards with the picture of the woman in there, and they sort of
connected. That was one of the things that was going on at the time:
this idea that music was still tied to some idea of revolution, and
that one of the revolutions was a sexual revolution. I wasn't making a
big political point, I just liked having fun with those things. Most
people didn't realise for a long time -- it was rather deeply
concealed!" -Brian Eno
Now /that/ is intelligent and good.
--
"Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
ray heinrich
Who could possibly be old enough to remember warm jets?
Just love the Budd (not just any light), so Budd/Eno stuff is a fav.
__Brian's Warm Jet Hat__
Brian's hat is a good hat.
It's a Here Come the Warm Jets hat
and it's a Needles in the Camel's Eye hat
and it's a Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch hat
and it's a Baby's on Fire hat
and it's a Cindy Tells Me hat
and it's a Driving Me Backwards hat
and it's a On Some Faraway Beach hat
and it's a Blank Frank hat
and it's a Dead Finks Don't Talk hat
and it's a Some of Them Are Old hat
but mainly it's a Here Come the Warm Jets hat
It warms his head, but not just Brian's head.
Being an Awwstin Texian and all, Stars of the Lid is a fav too.
(Music for Nitrous Oxide, Gravitational Pull vs. the Desire for
an Aquatic Life, Ballasted Orchestra)
Ambient Intelligence Technologies
http://wordbiscuit.com
Perfect for the Product Lifecycle
Will Dockery
> Who could possibly be old enough to remember warm jets?
> Just love the Budd (not just any light), so Budd/Eno stuff is a fav.
I actually had Taking Tiger Mountain (By Strategy) first, but those
two records wer big hits in my room back in the day.
> __Brian's Warm Jet Hat__
>
> Brian's hat is a good hat.
> It's a Here Come the Warm Jets hat
> and it's a Needles in the Camel's Eye hat
> and it's a Paw Paw Negro Blowtorch hat
> and it's a Baby's on Fire hat
> and it's a Cindy Tells Me hat
> and it's a Driving Me Backwards hat
> and it's a On Some Faraway Beach hat
> and it's a Blank Frank hat
> and it's a Dead Finks Don't Talk hat
> and it's a Some of Them Are Old hat
> but mainly it's a Here Come the Warm Jets hat
> It warms his head, but not just Brian's head.
The fat lady of Limberg awaits her jellyfish kiss...
> Being an Awwstin Texian and all, Stars of the Lid is a fav too.
> (Music for Nitrous Oxide, Gravitational Pull vs. the Desire for
> an Aquatic Life, Ballasted Orchestra)
>
> Ambient Intelligence Technologieshttp://wordbiscuit.com
> Perfect for the Product Lifecycle
Yes, yes...
George Dance
> My news server hasn't got this (c/p from Google Groups) yet, so the
> header's refs might not be completely accurate.
>
> On Nov 27, 11:21pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > On Nov 27, 7:29pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 27, 2:33pm, prettystuzz <leich...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> > > > George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > > > > Betty
>
>
> > > > There's what shirt makers call French Blue. There's Tobacco. There's
> > > > Coffee and Cafe Au Lait. There's Off-White. Cardinal Red. Graphite.
> > > > Camel. Roan. Palomino. Blood. Snot. Earwax. And about a dozen Minwax
> > > > names (Walnut, Cherry, Honey Pine,
>
> > > Honey Pie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a5_m5Wfb6k
>
> > > Oak, etc.). And Flax, Straw, & Hay.
>
> > > Hay & Hazel...
>
> > > --
> > > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> > come up with. The poem's now up to 165 lines (from 70 after I
> > reformatted ray's draft). I put in quince and xanthic, so that every
> > letter has a colour. I've also changed the endline, taking out ears
> > and substituting 'head': that takes it one more step away from PJ
> > Ross's original. (Which I'd like to do more of, BTW: probably changing
> > the colour and material of the hat as well, and I'm open to
> > suggestions on that score.
>
> > I don't really want to change 'Red,' though, since (as a bonus)
> > changing 'ears' to 'head' also gives us a concluding rhyme; and a
> > poem's not a poem unless it rhymes, innit?
>
> > I've also taken everyone else's name off, since I think I've
> > contributed enough original effort to make this edit mine. But of
> > course (as with the two Let's Write a Poem efforts) anyone else who
> > contributed (inc. Stuart) is free to take the same material to and
> > make it their poem. For example, at the extreme, if Will wants to
> > retitle it Betty Palin and keep everything else the same, that's fine
> > with me (though if you go that route, Will, you should take 'Blue' and
> > 'White' out of the colour list, and make her hat Red, White, and
> > Blue.)
>
> like contributing lines (except when the word is something like
> 'cumulonimbus' - which DR had told me could be a whole poem on its own);
> so I not only refuse any so-called credit but also vote to give you the
> full credit.
>
>
>
>
>
> > Betty
>
resnip
> > George Dance
>
> As c&c but not a contribution, consider as the beginning:
>
> Betty its hat's a good hat
>
> and though "bondi blue" looks very good - for a moment I confused that
> original iMac color with the Bodoni font family and gave you more credit
> than you deserved - you probably want a capital.
>
> Obpoem:
>
> Geo Dance his bête noir poem's
> as right and full a poem (&
> sent up tall for lasting long)
> as a goodly Stout its foam &
> so finishes late
> not flat or wrong
> to wait
> at last its lees to punctuate.
>
> Inc. Stuart
Thank you for the generous OBpoem, Stuart. In return, I'll do two
things. I've been obsessing on "Betty" since, and have got it up to
1,488 lines (that's 2,967 colors, not counting Red and Black). So the
two things I'll do for you are (1) I won't post it here, but (2) I'll
email you a copy if you'd like. (Same for anyone else who'd like
one.)
Will Dockery
<snip for brevity>
> Such dynamics!!!
Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7x-Pbejp0sjvhopobh4wcQ?feat=directlink
The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
her pale Blue Hat.
Paul Heslop
I still don't know why you tossers cross post to a photography group.
--
Paul (we break easy)
-------------------------------------------------------
Stop and Look
http://www.geocities.com/dreamst8me/
Will Dockery
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10, 12:57 am, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip for brevity>
>
> > > Such dynamics!!!
>
> > Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
>
>
> > The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
> > her pale Blue Hat.
>
> > --
> > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
> >http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>
> I still don't know why you tossers cross post to a photography group.
Because of my artistry as a photographer, as well as a poet. Good to
see you back around, Paul... Stuart tells me you have a poet brother
named Peter? Hope all is well with y'all.
George Dance
> On Dec 10, 12:57 am, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> <snip for brevity>
>
> > Such dynamics!!!
>
> Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
>
>
> The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
> her pale Blue Hat.
>
A good-looking lady with a funky hat. I'm looking forward to the poem/
song that develops.
My own "Betty" is up to 1,488 lines. I've also added an appendix that
gives the hexadecimal values for each color. (Sandy's hat looks like
#C1CACA.) I'm not posting that monster, but I'll be happy to send you
a copy if you'd like.
I haven't been able to come up with an alternative for "Betty,''
though I've been looking. I suggested to Maureen and my daughter that
I substitute one of their names, and they suggested throwing me out of
the apartment.
ray heinrich
-> The "poem" celebrates the purchase by the woman I love of a knitted
-> woollen hat for a stuffed toy in the shape of a plump black vampire
-> bat which she purchased for me about ten years ago.
Wow, this is amazing.
Now the existential metaphor has four more levels since Batty is not
the
prime entity but a stuffed toy (symbol) standing for both a physical
bat
and, at the same time, for the connection between you and your love.
The
hat, of course, adds another interactional layer: the continued vow
of
your love plus the universal vessel in which the relationship is
contained.
Black? Vampire? Purchased? (not to mention the ten years)
Well, this is the mongrel Rectal.Fart's.Poems and my Bushido code of
honour forbids me from baring your personal affairs in a place so
foul.
-> I posted it, after spending ten minutes writing it, as a way of
saying
-> thanks to the woman I love.
Ah! In the future you should spend no more than ten minutes writing
your
poetry as this seems to be a "sweet spot" beyond which all goes
downhill.
-> life
-> is the name of the game
->
-> at home
-> i play scrabble with my turds
->
-> and
-> i want to play the game with you
Alphabetic turds? Well, I take it back. You are a genius worthy
of Rectal.Fart's.Poems.
--------------------------------
-> My own "Betty" is up to 1,488 lines. I've also added an appendix
that
-> gives the hexadecimal values for each color. (Sandy's hat looks
like
-> #C1CACA.) I'm not posting that monster, but I'll be happy to send
you
-> a copy if you'd like.
Sounds cool, I'd like a copy.
ray
Paul Heslop
>
> On Dec 10, 4:39 pm, Paul Heslop <paul.hes...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 10, 12:57 am, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > <snip for brevity>
> >
> > > > Such dynamics!!!
> >
> > > Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
> >
> > >http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7x-Pbejp0sjvhopobh4wcQ?feat=dire...
> >
> > > The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
> > > her pale Blue Hat.
> >
> > > --
> > > "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
> > >http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
> >
> > I still don't know why you tossers cross post to a photography group.
>
> Because of my artistry as a photographer, as well as a poet. Good to
> see you back around, Paul... Stuart tells me you have a poet brother
> named Peter? Hope all is well with y'all.
well, firstly, whatever this is it isn't photography Will, so be a
good chap and don't post it here.
secondly it may be my son, Peter, though whether he still dabbles I
don't know.
thirdly, thanks for the kind wishes and I hope all is well with you
too.
Wolfgang Weisselberg
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 4:39 pm, Paul Heslop <paul.hes...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> I still don't know why you tossers cross post to a photography group.
> Because of my artistry as a photographer, as well as a poet.
So why don't you include food newsgroups (you eat, don't you),
computer newsgroups (you use one), car newsgroups (I assume you
drive one), crap newsgroups (everyone defecates), buying and
selling newsgroups (you do buy things, right?) and so on and so
on and so on?
Followup to alt.test, because you should test your newsgroups
first.
-Wolfgang
ronald reagan fry my eggs
news:4B21F912...@blueyonder.co.uk...
what's the matter, paul? dockery's been crossposting
since he's been here. something else must be bothering
you. since you don't post poetry, maybe you can
share some "reality."
one more thing...your little geocities thing don't work
no more. fyi
George Kerby
On 12/10/09 4:08 PM, in article
0fca2b20-5ff4-4698...@g12g2000yqa.googlegroups.com, "Will
Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 10, 4:39�pm, Paul Heslop <paul.hes...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>
>>> On Dec 10, 12:57 am, tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> <snip for brevity>
>>
>>>> Such dynamics!!!
>>
>>> Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
>>
>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7x-Pbejp0sjvhopobh4wcQ?feat=dire...
>
>>
>>> The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
>>> her pale Blue Hat.
>>
>>> --
>>> "Red Lipped Stranger & other stories" by Will Dockery:
>>> http://www.myspace.com/willdockery
>>
>> I still don't know why you tossers cross post to a photography group.
>
> Because of my artistry as a photographer, as well as a poet. Good to
> see you back around, Paul... Stuart tells me you have a poet brother
> named Peter? Hope all is well with y'all.
>
Yes. And a sister named Mary.
Tell us, are you the same Dockery who ran with the mouse up the clockery?
Will Dockery
>Will Dockery wrote:
> >tx_max_king <txmxk...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > <snip for brevity>
>
> > > Such dynamics!!!
>
> > Betty & Her Pale Blue Hat:
>
> >http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7x-Pbejp0sjvhopobh4wcQ?feat=dire...
>
> > The poem is about a girl named Betty... poor little Batty Betty with
> > her pale Blue Hat.
>
> A good-looking lady with a funky hat.
Yes, yes... indeed.
> I'm looking forward to the poem/
> song that develops.
It seems to be a step forward... in my opinion.
> My own "Betty" is up to 1,488 lines. I've also added an appendix that
> gives the hexadecimal values for each color. (Sandy's hat looks like
> #C1CACA.) I'm not posting that monster, but I'll be happy to send you
> a copy if you'd like.
>
> I haven't been able to come up with an alternative for "Betty,''
> though I've been looking. I suggested to Maureen and my daughter that
> I substitute one of their names, and they suggested throwing me out of
> the apartment.
Heh... probably pretty damned nippy up your way to have to spend the
night outdoors... maybe you should just keep it "Betty"?
Will Dockery
> > be heterosexual to find you and your opinions unattractive. Gays and
> > lesbians probably despise you as much as I do.
>
> on contraire, pete. many of my friends are musicians, artists,
> gays and lesbians. I love them all equally and they love me
> as well. We may not always agree politically, but we don't
> let that compromise our friendship.
> You seem to confuse the message with the messenger.
>
> -max
PJR seems to have some multiple confusion issues, tonight...
--
"Please meet me at the holocaust valley, and you can tell us all about
it someday..." -Sammy Walker
Will Dockery
> My most recent poem "Betty" is now over 1,500 lines long. That's too
> big to post to a group -- so, in order to get a copy onto the net,
> I've started a blog, "The Betty Blog." I'm posting the poem in reverse
> order of strophes, as when finished the poem can then be read in its
> proper order.
>
> I've already completed the posting of "Betty's Appendix," which gives
> the hexadecimal values for all but two or three of the more than 3,000
> colors mentioned in the poem.
>
> I hope you enjoy it.
>
> The Betty Blog
> <http://gdancesbetty.blogspot.com/>
Pretty amazing work, George...
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