"True" wrote:
>Tell me about this "heyoka"? I have not heard the term.
I know this question was directed to Brenda, but I
feel that I must share my answer as well.
I first learned of the Heyoka in the book, "Black Elk Speaks".
If you do not already own this book, then you have a
lot of studying to do. It is a standard, introductory
text.
John Neihardt dedicates Chapter 16 to the Heyoka Ceremony
and describes it in detail, as seen through the eys of Black
Elk.
If I am correct in the usage of the Sioux word, "heyoka"
it rougly translates to "sacred clown". It is the Oglala
Sioux equivalent of the Trickster/bodhisattva spirit that
helps humanity.
You may want to also visit this informative site:
http://www.hayoke.com/id18.htm
HAY-YO-KAY HOT SPRINGS
Heyoka
"The elders speak, too, of the 'heyoka', a person who, in vision
or dreams is visited by the Thunder Beings, and who assists humanity
in it's exploration into the new worlds. The 'heyoka', too, becomes
one who is contrary to the accustomed and accepted rules of society. The
'heyoka' does so precisely to push the fold of accepted reality,
to sound the wake-up call. According to Ogalala Sioux Elder, Looks-for-Buffalo,
"The Heyoka is the counterpoint to the Thunder Beings who
repeatedly dissolve the existing order and fashion a new arrangement
from the pieces.
"Not all 'heyokas' are indigenous peoples, many are living among
modern society. Modern day heyokas are charged to live as witnesses
against the corruption of the Fourth World and to assist the shift
into the Fifth World, as planetary midwifes."
From Lame Deer Seeker of Visions:
"Another kind of medicine man is the heyoka, the sacred clown.
"To us a clown is somebody sacred, funny, powerful, ridiculous,
holy, shameful, visionary. Fooling around, a clown is really performing
a spiritual ceremony. He has a power, it comes from the Thunder beings,
not the animals on earth.
"It is very simple to become a heyoka, all you have to do is dream
about the lightning, the Thunderbirds, you do this and when you wake
up in the morning, you are a heyoka, there is nothing you can do about it.
"It is not easy to be a heyoka. It is even harder to have one
in the family. ... the wise old people know that heyokas are thunder-
dreamers, that the Thunder beings commanded them to act in a silly way.
"The heyokas get their power from the wakinyan, the sacred flying
ones, the Thunderbirds. These Thunderbirds are the wakan oyate - the
spirit nation. If the Thunder-beings want to put their power on earth,
they send a dream to a man, a vision about thunder and lightning. By
this dream they appoint him to work his power for them in a human way.
This is what makes him a heyoka. Every dream which has some symbol
of the thunder powers in it will make you into a heyoka.
"A clown's work is sacred, it's a medicine man's job."
John (Fire) Lame Deer
and Richard Erdoes
Lame Deer Seeker of Visions
The Life of a Sioux Medicine Man
Simon and Schuster (1972)
"I came to the conclusion long ago, after prayerful search and study
and discussion with as many people as I could meet, that all religions
were true, and also, that all had some error in them; and whilst I hold
by my own, I should hold others as dear...." -- Mahatma Gandhi
Mr. Dockery, is there a reason you are quoting my posts from the
archives without attribution, and adding your URL?
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=97pa0r031k4%40drn.newsguy.com
From: Chive Mynde <chyve...@my-deja.com>
Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca
Subject: Re: Can one be a Christian witch?
Date: 2 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0800
Organization: The Vegetable Kingdom
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Because he thought he wouldn't get caught?
> http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=97pa0r031k4%40drn.newsguy.com
>
> From: Chive Mynde <chyve...@my-deja.com>
> Newsgroups: alt.religion.wicca
> Subject: Re: Can one be a Christian witch?
> Date: 2 Mar 2001 15:23:07 -0800
> Organization: The Vegetable Kingdom
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Here in aapc we already knew Dockery was a net.kook; unless he has
some convincing excuse it seems that we'll now have to add him to our
list of plagiarists too.
[follow-ups set]
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Peter J Ross wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 at 20:04 GMT, a jury from alt.arts.poetry.comments
> found Chive Mynde guilty of posting this:
>
>
>>willd...@blackplanet.com (Will Dockery) wrote in message news:<2883cd71.03032...@posting.google.com>...
>>
>
>
> Here in aapc we already knew Dockery was a net.kook; unless he has
> some convincing excuse it seems that we'll now have to add him to our
> list of plagiarists too.
>
> [follow-ups set]
>
I called him on that a week ago... he was posting lists copied off a
webpage without any attributions, and his only defense was prettymuch
that it isn't copyrighted, so it's okay for him to just copy it whenever
he feels like.
--
theoneflasehaddock
Offender of the Faith.
A reel Troll.
Damn grass-gropin, tree-huggin, elf-suckin, dandelion-eatin,
pacifistic, new-age, massmedia, oppositionally-defiant,
counter-culture, wannabe fluffybunnies anyhow....
Don't like my postings? post and whine about it.
(J00 HAVVE VIOLATE D YOUR TERMMS OF ZERVICE (KEEYWERD: TOSSAQ))
> Peter J Ross wrote:
>
>> Here in aapc we already knew Dockery was a net.kook; unless he has
>> some convincing excuse it seems that we'll now have to add him to our
>> list of plagiarists too.
>>
>> [follow-ups set]
>
> I called him on that a week ago... he was posting lists copied off a
> webpage without any attributions, and his only defense was prettymuch
> that it isn't copyrighted, so it's okay for him to just copy it whenever
> he feels like.
He's a very naughty little boy. I'd say that he'd now lost all
credibility in aapc if he'd had any to begin with.
Btw, there were two bogus groups in your crosspost list, so I've
replaced them with real ones.
[AUK readers who want the full story can get Message-IDs from the
References line. The question is: Does plagiarising Chive Mynde make
Will Dockery a bigger net.kook than Chive is?]
> Here in aapc we already knew Dockery was a net.kook; unless he has
> some convincing excuse
I think he does. He might just be unfamiliar with Usenet conventions,
netiquette, etc. Of course, I'm familiar with them but I disregard them anyway.
> Peter J Ross <gad...@meow.org> wrote in message news:<m73t5b...@gadfly.meow.org>...
>
>> Here in aapc we already knew Dockery was a net.kook; unless he has
>> some convincing excuse
>
> I think he does. He might just be unfamiliar with Usenet conventions,
> netiquette, etc.
For the moment, then, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt, while
checking Google any time I notice him saying something more lucid than
his usual kookscreed.
> Of course, I'm familiar with them but I disregard them anyway.
You don't know much about netiquette till you know when to ignore it
;-)
Your time would be better spent concentrating on kook infestations
like "Joe" in soc.men, and Snyder in alt.feminism.
> > Of course, I'm familiar with them but I disregard them anyway.
>
> You don't know much about netiquette till you know when to ignore it
> ;-)
Heh.