Re: Killer-Poet Caught
Will Dockery
robertc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Yes, even poets can commit murder, as this arricle shows.
>
> Has anybody every read any of Porter's work?
>
> Bob Champ
>
> Fugitive Arrested 20 Years After Escape
>
> By MICHAEL KUNZELMAN, Associated Press Writer
>
> BOSTON - In Massachusetts, he is a twice-convicted murderer who
> vanished after escaping from prison. In Illinois, he is a poet and
> anti-war protester devoted to his local Unitarian church.
>
> The two lives of Norman Porter crumbled in Chicago on Tuesday, when
> undercover police investigators arrested the man who 20 years ago
fled
> from justice here and built a new life in Chicago.
>
> "He had us all fooled," said C.J. Laity, who knew Porter from poetry
> readings. "I've known him for many, many years. Obviously, I didn't
> know him as well as I thought."
>
> Porter waived extradition at a hearing Wednesday morning in Cook
County
> Circuit Court and was expected to return to Massachusetts by the end
of
> the day.
>
> Porter's whereabouts have been a mystery to police since he walked
away
> from a prerelease center in Walpole in December 1985. Ever since his
> escape, he has been at the top of the Massachusetts State Police's
> "Most Wanted" list.
>
> In 1960, at age 21, Porter shot and killed John Pigott, a 22-year-old
> store clerk, during a robbery of a clothing store.
>
> While he was awaiting trial, Porter and another inmate escaped from
> jail. They overpowered the jail master, David S. Robinson, then shot
> and killed him with a smuggled gun.
>
> Porter, who wasn't accused of pulling the trigger in Robinson's
> killing, eventually pleaded guilty to second-degree murder in both
> cases and was sentenced to consecutive life terms. However, in 1975,
> then-Gov. Michael Dukakis commuted one of those sentences.
>
> During his 26 years behind bars, Porter earned his high school
diploma
> and was working toward a college degree. He escaped in 1985 after he
> was transferred to a minimum security prison.
>
> Porter's friends in Chicago said Jacob "J.J." Jameson - as they know
> him - has been living in the city for the past 20 years. Porter, 65,
> was arrested in the Third Unitarian Church.
>
> "I've always known him to be a perfect gentleman, quite active in the
> community," said Charles Paidock, who met Porter more than a decade
ago
> at a forum on free speech and other social issues.
>
> Paidock, who was working on a play with Porter, said he never saw
> anything in his friend to suggest a violent past. "This is absolutely
a
> complete and total shock," he said.
>
> About a month ago, a tipster reportedly told Massachusetts police
that
> Porter was living in the Chicago area. Investigators matched Porter's
> fingerprints to his 1993 arrest on theft charges in Chicago, in which
> he used the Jameson alias.
>
> Porter acknowledged his real identity when police arrested him,
saying,
> "I had a good 20 years," according to Detective Lt. Kevin Horton of
the
> Massachusetts State Police Violent Fugitive Apprehension unit.
Do they allow Usenet access in prison? It would be interesting if
Porter would join us.
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Will Dockery
robertchamp2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Obviously the poetry community in Chicago is very upset about the
> discovery that one of their own was a fugitive from justice, as
> ChicagoPoetry.com web site makes clear:
>
>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=438&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>
> Here you can hear Porter (in his poet guise as J. J. Jameson) read
some
> of his poems:
>
> http://voices.e-poets.net/JamesonJJ
>
> And here, from the ChicagoPoetry.com web site, you can read a couple
> yourself:
>
>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
Dale Houstman
Will Dockery wrote:
> robertchamp2...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>
>>And here, from the ChicagoPoetry.com web site, you can read a couple
>>yourself:
>>
>>
>
> http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>
> I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
>
The poems do prove not only that poets can be killers (and supposedly
Villon had already proved that), but also that killers can be bad poets.
This world has many opportunities...
dmh
robertc...@yahoo.com
> I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
There are some nice things on the ChicagoPoetry.com site. Be sure to
check out the Poetry Video section, which contains clips of poets like
Ted Kooser, Robert Creeley, and Sharon Olds reading from their works.
Bob Champ
Will Dockery
robertchamp2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=438&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>
> > I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
>
> There are some nice things on the ChicagoPoetry.com site. Be sure to
> check out the Poetry Video section, which contains clips of poets
like
> Ted Kooser, Robert Creeley, and Sharon Olds reading from their works.
Woth it to get a look at Sharon Olds in action, if nothing else!
Hopefully she looks as sexy as her poems!
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Stuart Leichter
wrote on 3/24/05 4:38 PM:
Okay, but don't ever assume that OJ can play golf. He never could and never
will be able to.
Will Dockery
> in article 4243336D...@skypoint.com, Dale Houstman at
dm...@skypoint.com
> wrote on 3/24/05 4:38 PM:
>
couple
> >>> yourself:
> >>
> >>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72
> >> &mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> >>
> >> I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
> >
> > The poems do prove not only that poets can be killers (and
supposedly
> > Villon had already proved that), but also that killers can be bad
poets.
> >
> > This world has many opportunities...
>
never
> will be able to.
Not even video golf?
Was that you that accused me of being Bruce's brother last night, then
pissed the M*A*S*H* medics visiting from Benning off so bad they got
ejected? They were in the wrong, even First Sergent Harding agreed.
The trifocals and showboat billards skills tipped me off.
Stuart Leichter
Dockery at opb...@yahoo.com wrote on 3/24/05 8:25 PM:
> Stuart Leichter wrote:
>> in article 4243336D...@skypoint.com, Dale Houstman at
> dm...@skypoint.com
>> wrote on 3/24/05 4:38 PM:
>>
>>>>> And here, from the ChicagoPoetry.com web site, you can read a
> couple
>>>>> yourself:
>>>>
>>>>
> http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72
>>>> &mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
>>>>
>>>> I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
>>>
>>> The poems do prove not only that poets can be killers (and
> supposedly
>>> Villon had already proved that), but also that killers can be bad
> poets.
>>>
>>> This world has many opportunities...
>>
>> Okay, but don't ever assume that OJ can play golf. He never could and
> never
>> will be able to.
>
> Not even video golf?
>
> Was that you that accused me of being Bruce's brother last night, then
> pissed the M*A*S*H* medics visiting from Benning off so bad they got
> ejected? They were in the wrong, even First Sergent Harding agreed.
WTF R U talking about, Will?
Will Dockery
Stuart Leichter wrote:
> Will Dockery at wrote on 3/24/05 8:25 PM:
>
> >>>>> And here, from the ChicagoPoetry.com web site, you can read a
> > couple
> >>>>> yourself:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=72
> >>>> &mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll check these out, thanks, Bob.
> >>>
> >>> The poems do prove not only that poets can be killers (and
> > supposedly
> >>> Villon had already proved that), but also that killers can be bad
> > poets.
> >>>
> >>> This world has many opportunities...
> >>
> >> Okay, but don't ever assume that OJ can play golf. He never could
and
> > never
> >> will be able to.
> >
> > Not even video golf?
> >
> > Was that you that accused me of being Bruce's brother last night,
then
> > pissed the M*A*S*H* medics visiting from Benning off so bad they
got
> > ejected? They were in the wrong, even First Sergent Harding agreed.
>
> WTF R U talking about, Will?
Casino Royale.
Stuart Leichter
Dockery at opb...@yahoo.com wrote on 3/24/05 9:39 PM:
WTF R U talking about? I never saw it or ate it at Baskin-Robbins.
Will Dockery
> in article 1111718371....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, Will
> Dockery at opb...@yahoo.com wrote on 3/24/05 9:39 PM:
Peter Lorre shuffles by like a ghost, on camera, after being whacked by
Barry Nelson.
So, what *really* happened to Dennis M. Hammes?
> >>> The trifocals and showboat billards skills tipped me off.
M wears a wig and Steranko is Q.
Dale Houstman
Stuart Leichter wrote:
>>
>
>
> Okay, but don't ever assume that OJ can play golf. He never could and
> never will be able to.
>
>
But he can obviously play a jury, although he could afford to buy the
best back-up band. Do you finger the holes, or do they have valves?
dmh
robertc...@yahoo.com
Will Dockery wrote:
> robertchamp2...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Will Dockery wrote:
> >
>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=438&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> >
> Hopefully she looks as sexy as her poems!
>
Olds doesn't do it for me. Take a look at someone called Noel Jones,
however. Kind of a cutie, and she's reading a cute sexy poem, too.
Bob
Will Dockery
> >
>
http://chicagopoetry.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=438&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
> > >
> Woth it to get a look at Sharon Olds in action, if nothing else!
> > Hopefully she looks as sexy as her poems!
>
> Olds doesn't do it for me. Take a look at someone called Noel Jones,
> however. Kind of a cutie, and she's reading a cute sexy poem, too.
And what more can you ask of a female poet?
Thanks for the *heads up*.
ggamble
wrote:
> poet
Aw fuck Will, you blew it, just like you always do.
Too bad.
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Will Dockery
ggamble wrote:
> On 24 Mar 2005 20:10:48 -0800, "Will Dockery" <opb...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> > poet
>
> Aw fuck Will, you blew it, just like you always do.
>
> Too bad.
Are you going homophobic on me like your pal Michael Cook, Gas-fly?
Jesusfuck.
Dale Houstman
She looks fine, and (if my wife didn't object!) I probably wouldn't kick
her out of bed for eating crackers, but if she started spouting that
crap she calls poetry, I'd hit her in the head with the collected works
of Robert Frost and bury her where it would do the roses the most good.
All in good fun of course...
dmh
Thomas Keske
>> Yes, even poets can commit murder, as this arricle shows.
>>
>> Has anybody every read any of Porter's work?
>>
Yes, he wrote stuff like "Lady Rutherford's Cauliflower",
and something about his erectile dysfunction, which
he compared to puttering with a golf club and missing
the hole. Oh, dear.
Of course poets can be killers- Osama Bin Laden does
poetry, Mao Tse Tung did poetry.
It does seem a bit hypocritical for a man who committed
an execution-style murder to be on a high-horse about
anti-war causes, etc. People who are this heavily contaminated
should not degrade worthwhile causes by association.
Porter's life does illustrate the absurdity of human existence.
The real-life surrealism could almost have a charm to it,
if it were not also revealing life's cheapness.
Now, who is say what is good poetry? In Chicago, the papers
say, he was "one of the city's most beloved antiwar poets",
and a "poet of the month".
I suppose the moral of the story is that we all gotta move
to Chicago, our kind of town, so maybe our ramblings can
be well-received by trusting sorts who are easily fooled.
Let's face it.
However- what is the mark of *real* poetry? I would say
that being a real poet should mean never having to kill
anyone with a gun, in a bungled clothing-store hold-up.
A *real* poet should be able to kill people *with* his
poetry, killing bastards who deserve it, softly with
his surrealism.
The advantage of this, if you can pull it off, by bending
reality to fit your poetry, is that you don't have to go
to jail for it, like this pitful Porter fellow.
Tom Keske
....................................................................................
2. Poetry of Mao Tse-tung
... of Mao's poetry, quite a couple of years ago: As you can see, I got the text of "Answering to ... to those men, the last
line of Mao Tse-tung's poem ...
http://www.fa-kuan.muc.de/MAO2.RXML [Found on Google, Yahoo!]
The Long March by Mao TseTung
-- a lushih
October 1935
The Red Army fears not the trials of the Long March,
Holding light ten thousand crags and torrents.
The Five Ridges wind like gentle ripples
And the majestic Wumeng roll by, globules of clay.
Warm the steep cliffs lapped by the waters of Golden Sand,
Cold the iron chains spanning the Tatu River.
Minshan's thousand li of snow joyously crossed,
The three Armies march on, each face glowing.
=====================================================
I dunno. It doesn't seem to be working. Maybe it is losing
something in the translation.
robertc...@yahoo.com
Thomas Keske wrote:
> >> Yes, even poets can commit murder, as this arricle shows.
> >>
> >> Has anybody every read any of Porter's work?
> >>
>
> poetry, Mao Tse Tung did poetry.
>
My take...
There are killers who write poems (like Osama and, let's say--just for
gender balance--Bonnie Parker), and poets who kill (like Villon).
Occasionally the standard falls so low that readers get the two mixed
up. This happened in the case of J. J. Jameson--Mr. Porter--who was not
only accepted as a poet but also had a publisher, unlike many a more
talented soul.
Poetry is, in some ways, a racket. If you make the right noises, say
the right things, know the right people, you have an entree into Poetry
World even with mediocre talent. In this, poetry is no different from
any art form.
I was amazed by Porter's statement after his capture: "Well, I've had a
good twenty years." Never was the disconnect more visible (audible)
than in that statement.
Being an anti-war activist is no guarantee of virtue. A person can be
"anti" many things, but not be "pro" any.
Bob