the nasobeest / c&c / PJR

[Peter J Ross]

the nasobeest
-------------

now sir that my applause has ceased
I introduce the nasobeest

he walks on noses not on legs
and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs

left by the pens of scholars bald
who to my smart soirées are called

by jewelly toads that walk on legs
and not on noses thumbs or pegs

to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
discoverer of this beest am I

now sir that my applause has ceased
I introduce the nasobeest



Note 1 : Non-kooks don't need to read note 2.

Note 2 : The above is obviously partly an imitation, partly an
extremely free translation of


Das Nasobēm
-----------

Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
einher das Nasobēm,
von seinem Kind begleitet.
Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.

Es steht noch nicht im Meyer.
Und auch im Brockhaus nicht.
Es trat aus meiner Leyer
zum ersten Mal ans Licht.

Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
(wie schon gesagt) seitdem,
von seinem Kind begleitet,
einher das Nasobēm.


a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern
(1871-1914), whom you can easily look up if you're not a total moron.

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
> the nasobeest
> -------------
>
> now sir that my applause has ceased
> I introduce the nasobeest
>
> he walks on noses not on legs
> and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> left by the pens of scholars bald
> who to my smart soirées are called
>
> by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> discoverer of this beest am I
>
> now sir that my applause has ceased
> I introduce the nasobeest

A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.

> Note 1 : Non-kooks don't need to read note 2.
>
> Note 2 : The above is obviously partly an imitation, partly an
> extremely free translation of
>
> Das Nasobēm
> -----------
>
> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> einher das Nasobēm,
> von seinem Kind begleitet.
> Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.
>
> Es steht noch nicht im Meyer.
> Und auch im Brockhaus nicht.
> Es trat aus meiner Leyer
> zum ersten Mal ans Licht.
>
> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> (wie schon gesagt) seitdem,
> von seinem Kind begleitet,
> einher das Nasobēm.
>
> a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern
> (1871-1914), whom you can easily look up if you're not a total moron.
>
> --
> PJR :-)

--
Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:
http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4

[the messenjah]

On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:

Ross. You're a fuckhead.
>
> --
> PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

On Sep 28, 9:58 pm, the messenjah <theguyontheb...@veryfast.biz>
wrote:

>
> Ross. You're a fuckhead.

That about covers it... heh.

[Will Dockery]

On Sep 29, 8:09 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 9:59 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>
> > > the nasobeest
> > > -------------
>
> > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>

> Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.

Well, yours are much better, of course...

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>Will Dockery wrote:
> >Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > the nasobeest
> > > > > -------------
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > > Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.
>
> > Well, yours are much better, of course...
>

>  I can't judge better, but I do know funny, and that's not even funny

Well, your poems are funnier, too.

[nerissa]

Peter J Ross wrote:

------- partly snipped because my newsserver forces me to do so --------

> the nasobeest
> -------------
>
> now sir that my applause has ceased
> I introduce the nasobeest
>
>

> Das Nasobem

> -----------
>
> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet

> einher das Nasobem,

> von seinem Kind begleitet.
> Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.
>
>
>

> a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern
> (1871-1914), whom you can easily look up if you're not a total moron.

I love this! I only miss the accompanying child in your "translation" and
ask you to add one, to make sure the nasobeest will stay around.

nerissa

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>

> Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny. LOL.

No offense intended, Corey, and the more I find out about the writer of The
Nasobeest, Christian Morgenstern, the more this falls in line with some of
my traditional reviews of your poetry:

http://www.reference-global.com/doi/abs/10.1515/9783110807646.137

Here's a few more poems by Christian Morgenstern, with English translation
by Max Knight:

http://www.jbeilharz.de/morgenstern/morgenstern_poems.html

These translations were originally published in:

The Gallows Songs
Christian Morgenstern's Galgenlieder
A Selection
Translated, with an
Introduction, by Max Knight
University of California Press 1964.

© 1963 by Max E. Knight

A good, short write-up on Wikipedia, also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Morgenstern

Christian Otto Josef Wolfgang Morgenstern (May 6, 1871 in Munich- March 31,
1914 in Meran) was a German author and poet from Munich. Morgenstern married
Margareta Gosebruch von Liechtenstern on March 7, 1910. He worked for a
while as a journalist in Berlin, but spent much of his life traveling
through Germany, Switzerland, and Italy, primarily in a vain attempt to
recover his health. His travels, though they failed to restore him to
health, allowed him to meet many of the foremost literary and philosophical
figures of his time in central Europe.

Morgenstern's poetry, much of which was inspired by English literary
nonsense, is immensely popular, even though he enjoyed very little success
during his lifetime. He made fun of scholasticism, e.g. literary criticism
in "Drei Hasen", grammar in "Der Werwolf", narrow-mindedness in "Der Gaul",
and symbolism in "Der Wasseresel". In "Scholastikerprobleme" he discussed
how many angels could sit on a needle. Still many Germans know some of his
poems and quotations by heart, e.g. the following line from "The Impossible
Fact" ("Die unmögliche Tatsache", 1910):

"For, he reasons pointedly / That which must not, can not be."

Embedded in his humorous poetry is a subtle metaphysical streak, as e.g. in
"Vice Versa", (1905):

"A rabbit in his meadow lair
Imagines none to see him there.
But aided by a looking lens
A man with eager diligence
Inspects the tiny long-eared gnome
From a convenient near-by dome.
Yet him surveys, or so we learn
A god from far off, mild and stern."

Gerolf Steiner's mock-scientific book about the fictitious animal order
Rhinogradentia (1961), inspired by Morgenstern's nonsense poem Das Nasobem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nasobame

is testament to Christian Morgenstern's enduring popularity.

[adamlynn]

If your intention was to write an entertaining imitation/translation
of the Morgentern poem then you succeeded. I like your version,
it gets me half the way there, but I think that the demands of
translation make the syntax of your rendition sound tortured.
That's probably unavoidable. I think you could write a better
poem if you took (or stole, depending on you poetics)
the core ideas and images from the original piece and
wrote something that you could call your own. You could
always dedicate it to C.M. if you felt any guilt, although
I doubt that he'd be offended; he's been dead for almost
a hundred years.

Thanks for posting some poetry.

[adamlynn]

> Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

"Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny."

<snip will's sycophantic reply>

I.....(long sigh..............):




<snip will's sycophantic reply>

[adamlynn]

> Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

see the sad and needy plant
called the georgia sycophant
try to crawl up corey's leg
like a vine would climb a peg

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>
> see the sad and needy

<snip>

Oh yeah, I remember when I nailed your slurping up to ggamble the
other day, in which you obvious were craving an /audience/ with him...
a shame the little guy won't even bother to respond to you, eh, Adam?

Meanwhile, here, your little ploy for revenge is completely misplaced,
as my observation/critique was pretty exact. Christian Morgenstern
wrote just the kind of poetry that J. Corey Connor excells in, of the
same type (in my opinion) that poets such as Shel Silverstein &
Theodor Seuss Geisel wrote, humorous, surreal "nonsense" poems. Corey
knew what I was referencing, and others who pay attention would...
except you, of course, who spend a lot of your time sucking up to one
poet or another you're trying to weasel yourself into good graces
with.

Here's some of my earlier critique of Corey's humor/surrealist
poetry:

http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3392455/rhyming_cc_poetry_is_...

On Dec 12, 10:500am, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
"tedious", "dreck", "gobbledygook", "hot air", "bullshit", "crap",
"pretentious", "not good", "semi-literate", "nonsense rhymes".
0Please
add your comment here. 0I'm building a collection of aapc momentos.
Thank you for your time.

Dockery: I compared your poetry to Shel Silverstein and Dr. Seuss a
couple of times, which I consider praise, so you might want to add
those.

Corey: My perception is that you don't really respect or understand
the work
of either of those men beyond their popular appeal and commercial
success,

Dockery: That's not really true at all, but I understand that you not
knowing
me, or my multiple influences and interests over the years, that
you'd
not know that.

Not that Silversteen & Seuss are as important to me as some other
poets, true, I do and have dug a lot of their work, Seuss, of course,
since mid-childhood, Silversteen through his many great songs, some
quite serious, or relatively so, or serious by my reckoning.

One personal favorite of mine by Shel Silversteen, which I wouldn't
mind doing a cover of, really, is "Couple More Years":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?vDhg-MDS2810Y

Anyway... as usual, the details on almost anything can get fairly
complicated.

Corey: which I do not share, so I really don't perceive your
comparison as praise. 0I think you perceive my work as similar to
theirs by virtue of style, but that such a style as they or I possess
is less virtuous, serious, or not as credible as other poetic works.
I think the exact opposite.

Dockery: Well, yes, I touched on that, above. Up-to-date on
Silversteen, my friend Julie has a thin hardback of his,
which (probably) belonged to her grandfather, as the house she lives
in she inherited from him, and all his almost endless number of
cultural and just plain cool artifacts, that I keep passing in the
hallway on the table, and think of you and smile almost every time I
pass it.

I'll make it a point to pick it up and read a bit of it and report
back on it, soon. The cover is outstanding, and I wish I could
remember more about it, but I haven't even had my coffee yet...
later.

Corey: Besides, I already have you on record with "gobbledygook",
which
pretty much speaks for itself, and which I really do appreciate you
saying. 0The word gobbledygook alone makes me smile.

This relates to Christian Morgenstern, who, in case you haven't
noticed, was the writer of the poem, not PJR, who merely translated
it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Morgenstern

"...Morgenstern's poetry, much of which was inspired by English

literary nonsense, is immensely popular, even though he enjoyed very
little success during his lifetime. He made fun of scholasticism, e.g.
literary criticism in "Drei Hasen", grammar in "Der Werwolf", narrow-
mindedness in "Der Gaul", and symbolism in "Der Wasseresel". In
"Scholastikerprobleme" he discussed how many angels could sit on a
needle. Still many Germans know some of his poems and quotations by
heart, e.g. the following line from "The Impossible Fact" ("Die
unmögliche Tatsache", 1910):

"For, he reasons pointedly / That which must not, can not be."

Embedded in his humorous poetry is a subtle metaphysical streak..."

Anyway, next time try to have your insults make sense, Adam.

--
"Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" & "Crawford Road Crawl" by Will
Dockery & Friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XyRCh0kj5w

[adamlynn]

On Sep 30, 6:14 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 29, 10:16 pm, adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 29, 11:16 am, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Sep 29, 8:09 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 28, 9:59 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > the nasobeest
> > > > > > -------------
>
> > > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > > > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > > > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > > > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > > > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > > > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > > > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > > > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > > > Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.
>
> > > Well, yours are much better, of course...
>
> > > --

> > > Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4-Hidequoted text -

>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > "Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny."
>
> >         <snip will's sycophantic reply>
>
> > I.....(long sigh..............):
>
> > <snip will's sycophantic reply>
>

> LOL, no comment, moron.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Who are you callin' a Mormon, you fuc....
.....oh, I'm sorry, I just rubbed the sleep
out of my tired eyes. You called me a

"Moron"

If you chose the word "moron"
intentionally, and you're a skilled
enough writer to have done so--
and if you meant by the word
"moron" a person who has the
mental age of 7-12: then I plead guilty.

But Corey- you're a wordsmith,
and you know that that sense
of the word "moron" is archaic.
Today the word "moron" is
considered derogatory. Some
"morons" even consider the word
"moron" to be "hate speech".

It makes them hot under the collar;
as hot as a pile of flaming faggots.

So please, if you insist on continuing
to throw the word "moron" around
in this forum, please use the kinder
and gentler euphemism "m" word
instead.

But since it's still socially acceptable
for one moron to call another moron
a "moron" I'll just wrap up by saying
have a nice day, "moron".....

And LOL.....

[adamlynn]

Will-

If you're referring to the comment that I left in some
thread that called ggamble ".....a talented minor poet
and a gifted crank" and if you think that I meant those
words as a compliment, or as an attempt to slurp- then
I have to ask you, like a pissed of motorist who just got
cut off by some moron driver too busy texting to pay
attention to the other traffic:

"Where the fuck did you learn how to drive?!"
Or to read.

I keep pleading with you to think. I'm beginning to think
that it's a waste of time. Only a moron would keep asking
a dull blade to sharpen up.

Does that insult make sense?

[adamlynn]

On Sep 30, 10:11 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Moron is just a word I use.  Take it however you like.  I know Will
> better than you do.  I've also known a few morons in my time, Will
> being one of them.  I know that only a moron who doesn't know Will
> well would call him sycophantic. You do the math.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

I never called Will a sycophant. I called Will's
response sycophantic. Then I wrote a little
verse of doggerel that was meant to entertain.
If it fell flat, oh well, sorry, but.....

.....you do the math.

[adamlynn]

On Sep 30, 10:42 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You shouldn't be so hard on yourself, Adam.  For what it's worth,
> you're not quite as big a moron as you think you are.  You're only as
> big a moron as I think you are, which is marginally but noticeably
> less.  Little consolation, I know.  At least it's something.  Have a
> great weekend.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

"Have a great weekend."

You too Hi.

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Peter J Ross translated:

>
> > > > > the nasobeest
> > > > > -------------
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>

> > > > > -Christain Morgenstern (trans. by PJR)

>
> > > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > > Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.
>
> > Well, yours are much better, of course...
>
> > --
> > Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:
http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4
>

> > - Show quoted text -
>
> "Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny."

Oh, so you double-posted this misrepresentation /twice/, did you,
Adam? I missed this one last night:

>         <snip will's sycophantic reply>
>
> I.....(long sigh..............):

I'm aware I hurt your feelings when I pointed out that you were
sucking up to Gary Gamble yesterday, and I tried to apologize for
that:

"...But never mind, Adam, you're obviously going to be too busy
sucking up to
Rob and ggamble's ilk, and maybe it'll do you some good... it sure
improved
Barbara Cat's standing, lousy poetry and all... Get slurping, you know
you wanna..."

Which you really look like you've been doing, just as you looked like
you were sniffing around behind another poet similarly, last year, and
trying to bust my balls like some 5th rate prospect thug.

But attempting to insert some misrepresentation of the nature of my
real life friendship with Corey is underhanded and smack of the work
of,,, a /real/ sycophant.

Look it up, I did, and was illuminated a bit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sycophant

"...The Greek for sycophant is συκοφάντης (sykophántēs). It suggests
someone who brings all kinds of charges and proves none, according to
a client of Demosthenes.[2] A client of Lysias adds the perspective of
blackmail: "It is their practice to bring charges even against those
who have done no wrong. For from these they would gain most
profit." [3] In this context, the word entails false accusation,
malicious prosecution, and abuse of legal process for mischievous or
fraudulent purposes.

The Greek root 'sukophantēs' literally translates as 'a person showing
a fig' ('Sukon' / sykos / συκος fig, and phainein / fanēs / φανης to
show). The fig having been a symbol used in making an accusation,
itself probably a development from accuser to informer/flatterer].[4]

In Ancient Greece, the word was the Athenian counterpart of the Roman
delator, a public informer. In modern Greek the term has retained its
ancient classical meaning, and is still used to describe a slanderer
or a calumniator..."

And, so it goes... do you really aspire to be Usenet's new Barbara's
Cat..?

Or are you ready to get serious with me and the other poets, and get
some work done on turning this newsgroup around from the road to ruin?

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

<snip for brevity>

Either way, you stand corrected now, your misrepresentation of me has
been set straight, and all is well... no harm done.

> If it fell flat, oh well, sorry

Apology accepted, now, let's get back to discussing the poetry of C.
Morgenstern... I noticed at one point a line from Lou Reed that may
have been an homage of sorts to the Nasobeastie, even more possible
given Reed's many influences from German music & poetry:

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.music.hip-hop/msg/ba956afed4a2d4db?hl=en

Yesterday, Daisy Mae and Biff
were groovin' on the street
And just like in a movie
her hands became her feet
Her belly button was her mouth
which meant she tasted what she'd speak, ooohhh

But the funny thing is what happened to her nose, ooohhh
It grew until it reached all of her toes, ooohhh
Now, when people say her feet smell, they mean her nose

And curtains laced with diamonds, dear for you
And all the Roman noblemen for you
And kingdom's Christian soldiers, dear for you
And melting ice cap mountains tops for you
Oh, oh, and knights in flaming silver robes for you
And bats that with a kiss turn prince for you
Swoop, swoop, oh, baby, rock, rock

-Lou Reed

Glad we cleared all this up, now can we be friends?

[adamlynn]

> Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4- Hide quoted text -
>

> - Show quoted text -

That's great Will; thanks for cutting and pasting and
posting an article (that someone else, not you, spent some
time, and mental energy, writing) to the newsgroup.

Next time please just post the link for those of us that don't
know what the adjective sycophantic means. The rest of us
are busy.

<snip will's sycophantic reply>

That's what I wrote.

If you'll read that sentence carefully you'll notice that
I called your reply "sycophantic", not you.

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:

>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>> >Will Dockery wrote:

<happy weekend snip>

> > > > Christian Morgenstern
> > > > wrote just the kind of poetry that J. Corey Connor excells in, of the
> > > > same type (in my opinion) that poets such as Shel Silverstein &
> > > > Theodor Seuss Geisel wrote, humorous, surreal "nonsense" poems. Corey
> > > > knew what I was referencing, and others who pay attention would...
>

> > > > Here's some of my earlier critique of Corey's humor/surrealist
> > > > poetry:
>
> > > >http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3392455/rhyming_cc_poetry_is_...
>
> > > > On Dec 12, 10:500am, "c&c" <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >  "tedious", "dreck", "gobbledygook", "hot air", "bullshit", "crap",
> > > > "pretentious", "not good", "semi-literate", "nonsense rhymes".
> > > > 0Please
> > > > add your comment here. 0I'm building a collection of aapc momentos.
> > > > Thank you for your time.
>
> > > > Dockery: I compared your poetry to Shel Silverstein and Dr. Seuss a
> > > > couple of times, which I consider praise, so you might want to add
> > > > those.
>
> > > > Corey: My perception is that you don't really respect or understand
> > > > the work
> > > > of either of those men beyond their popular appeal and commercial
> > > > success,
>
> > > > Dockery: That's not really true at all, but I understand that you not
> > > > knowing
> > > >  me, or my multiple influences and interests over the years, that
> > > > you'd
> > > >  not know that.
>

> > > > Not that Silverstein & Seuss are as important to me as some other

<snip for focus.

> > Have a
> > great weekend.

>
> "Have a  great weekend."
>
> You too Hi.

Now, that's something we can all agree on... have a great one, pals.

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> That's great Will; thanks

You're welcome, Adam... now go have yourself a nice little weekend,
the holidays are almost upon us.

http://doo-nanny.com/

Come to Boo-Nanny!

[adamlynn]

On Sep 30, 11:01 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You know what you did and meant, and it wasn't simply to "entertain".
> You needn't explain yourself to me. I read you right the first time.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

In the name of St. Jerome, Corey, you genuinely
seem to be a guy who's heart is in the right place--

I base that assessment on what I've been able to
glean by taking the time to read some of your older
posts (esp. the one about how, like MLK, you had
a dream. Your dream was to open a hospice
where people could cross over to the other side
surrounded by.....(whatever). That really is, and I
really mean this, a noble dream- one worth trying
to realize with all of your talents. One worth dying
for.

I can't deny that the ghost of malice still
haunts (at least) one of the chambers of
my heart. Maybe I was being cruel. Maybe
I was only trying to entertain: myself. Or
maybe (just maybe) I was trying to make
someone open his eyes. You seem to be
able to know my real motivation; is that
another talent that you are blessed with?
That one must sure come in handy.

In any case, and as always: peace, love, and
understanding.

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>Will Dockery wrote:
>

> > My observation/critique was pretty exact. Christian Morgenstern

> > Not that Silverstein & Seuss are as important to me as some other

> > --
> > "Wobble", "She Came From Overseas" & "Crawford Road Crawl" by Will
> > Dockery & Friends:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XyRCh0kj5w
>
> Will-
>
> If you're referring to the comment that I left in some
> thread that called  ggamble  ".....a talented minor poet
> and a gifted crank"

Now, don't get me wrong, Adam, I find a lot of Gary's poetry very
entertaining.

"Pete The Dog" is an all-time favorite of mine.

--
Music & poetry of Will Dockery:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:19:48 +0200,
nerissa <ner...@fantasy.invalid> wrote:

> Peter J Ross wrote:
>
>> the nasobeest

<...>

> I love this!

Thank you. I hoped you'd notice it. An earlier draft had "for nerissa"
as a subtitle, but I didn't want to seem importunate. If you permit,
I'll reinstate it.

> I only miss the accompanying child in your "translation" and
> ask you to add one, to make sure the nasobeest will stay around.

It doesn't say that the beest *isn't* accompanied by a child!

Anyway, I thought it was more sequel or variant than translation. Das
Kind may be having adventures of its own.

Thanks for commenting!

--
PJR :-)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Wed, 28 Sep 2011 18:58:30 -0700 (PDT),

the messenjah <theguyo...@veryfast.biz> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>> the nasobeest
>> -------------
>>
>> now sir that my applause has ceased
>> I introduce the nasobeest
>>
>> he walks on noses not on legs
>> and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>>
>> left by the pens of scholars bald
>> who to my smart soirées are called
>>
>> by jewelly toads that walk on legs
>> and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>>
>> to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
>> discoverer of this beest am I
>>
>> now sir that my applause has ceased
>> I introduce the nasobeest
>>

>> Note 1 : Non-kooks don't need to read note 2.
>>
>> Note 2 : The above is obviously partly an imitation, partly an
>> extremely free translation of
>>
>> Das Nasobēm
>> -----------
>>
>> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
>> einher das Nasobēm,
>> von seinem Kind begleitet.
>> Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.
>>
>> Es steht noch nicht im Meyer.
>> Und auch im Brockhaus nicht.
>> Es trat aus meiner Leyer
>> zum ersten Mal ans Licht.
>>
>> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
>> (wie schon gesagt) seitdem,
>> von seinem Kind begleitet,
>> einher das Nasobēm.
>>
>> a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern
>> (1871-1914), whom you can easily look up if you're not a total moron.
>

> Ross. You're a fuckhead.

Presumably, like nerissa, you're disappointed that there was no child
in my draft, though your reasons for disappointment are different from
hers, and disgusting to normal people.

But thanks for your usual intelligent c&c, chuckles!

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

<snipped for focus>

> >> Das Nasobēm
> >> -----------
>
> >> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> >> einher das Nasobēm,
> >> von seinem Kind begleitet.
> >> Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.
>
> >> Es steht noch nicht im Meyer.
> >> Und auch im Brockhaus nicht.
> >> Es trat aus meiner Leyer
> >> zum ersten Mal ans Licht.
>
> >> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> >> (wie schon gesagt) seitdem,
> >> von seinem Kind begleitet,
> >> einher das Nasobēm.
>
> >> a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern
> >> (1871-1914), whom you can easily look up if you're not a total moron.
>
> > Ross. You're a fuckhead.
>
> Presumably, like nerissa, you're disappointed that there was no child
> in my draft

Well, all the other translations of Morgenstern's poem include a child
or kid.

Max Knight, the best and most famost translator of Christian
Morgenstern, called the child the Nasobeast's "offspring";

http://www.christian-morgenstern.de/dcma/index.php5?title=Das_Nasob%C4%93m

The Nosobame

Upon his noses stalketh
around - the Nosobame;
with him, his offspring walketh.
He is not yet in Brehm,

you find him not in Meyer,
nor does him Brockhaus cite.
He stepped forth from my lyre
the first time into light.

Upon his noses stalketh -
Iwill again proclaim -
(with him his offspring walketh),
since then, the Nosobame.

-Christian Morgenstern (trans. by Max Knight)

(Brehm, Meyer, and Brockhaus are reference books well known in
Germany)

--
Will Dockery music & poetry:
http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery

[Will Dockery]

adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:
>
>           I can't deny that the ghost of malice still
>           haunts (at least) one of the chambers of
>           my heart.

"We know."

We were hoping Malice would return now that things have evened out
here a bit... is she still lurking, reading here, or has she left
Usenet entirely?

[nerissa]

Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:19:48 +0200,
> nerissa <ner...@fantasy.invalid> wrote:

< ----- >

>
>> I love this!
>
> Thank you. I hoped you'd notice it. An earlier draft had "for nerissa"
> as a subtitle, but I didn't want to seem importunate. If you permit,
> I'll reinstate it.

I thought you'd hope so. Nah, the subtitle would not seem importunate to me
but give me way too much credit.

>> I only miss the accompanying child in your "translation" and
>> ask you to add one, to make sure the nasobeest will stay around.
>
> It doesn't say that the beest *isn't* accompanied by a child!

Hey, now I can see one! Thanks for the hint.

> Anyway, I thought it was more sequel or variant than translation. Das
> Kind may be having adventures of its own.

Of course. Being a companion doesn't mean to have *no* adventures of one's
own, though ;)

> Thanks for commenting!

You're very welcome!

nerissa

[adamlynn]

On Sep 30, 2:34 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Thu, 29 Sep 2011 18:19:48 +0200,
>

> nerissa <neri...@fantasy.invalid> wrote:
> > Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> >> the nasobeest
>
> <...>
>
> > I love this!
>
> Thank you. I hoped you'd notice it. An earlier draft had "for nerissa"
> as a subtitle, but I didn't want to seem importunate. If you permit,
> I'll reinstate it.
>
> > I only miss the accompanying child in your "translation" and
> > ask you to add one, to make sure the nasobeest will stay around.
>
> It doesn't say that the beest *isn't* accompanied by a child!
>
> Anyway, I thought it was more sequel or variant than translation. Das
> Kind may be having adventures of its own.
>
> Thanks for commenting!
>
> --
> PJR :-)

No flirting allowed in this forum, Mr. Ross.
I mean really Peter, please, for the sake of
decency, if you're going to perform some
kind of mating dance "for nerissa" you
need to get a room.

(A private room;)

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 11:50 am, adamlynn <adaml...@live.com> wrote:

<snip for focus>

> >           I can't deny that the ghost of malice still
> >           haunts (at least) one of the chambers of
> >           my heart.
>

> LOL, "ghost of malice". Adam, Adam, Adam.
>
> ...
>
> LOL, no comment.

Kind of what I was thinking...

[George Dance]

On Sep 30, 9:32 am, "ggamble" <g...@youbet.net> wrote:

>
> Did dunce tell you to say that?
>

Wow, that is original, isn't it Gary? Maybe you weren't exactly the
first to come up with the dance/dunce pun, but you were the first to
*use a lower case d.* Sheer genius: you really must have the high IQ
you keep telling the group you have.

[the messenjah]

> --
> PJR :-)

[George Dance]

On Sep 29, 8:09 am, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 28, 9:59 pm, Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sep 28, 7:52 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>
> > > the nasobeest
> > > -------------
>
> > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > I introduce the nasobeest
>

> > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.

Well, it does have the same meter (iambic tetrameter) and rhyme scheme
that you habitually use.

Since you are aapc's master of that meter, why not give us your
translation? I think that would be great fun to read, and (unlike some
things you've written, like your work on TPB), it would fit right in
with the poetry on your own blog.

[Will Dockery]

George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

>>Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Peter J Ross <p...@patchword.com> wrote:
>
> > > > the nasobeest
> > > > -------------
>
> > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>

> > > > -Christian Morgenstern (translation by PJR)

>
> > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > Hey, watch it there.  That's not even funny.  LOL.
>
> Well, it does have the same meter (iambic tetrameter) and rhyme scheme
> that you habitually use.
>
> Since you are aapc's master of that meter, why not give us your
> translation? I think that would be great fun to read, and (unlike some
> things you've written, like your work on TPB), it would fit right in
> with the poetry on your own blog.

That's what I was thinking when I first read the translation... and of
course the poem is in the public domain, also, there'd be no problem
there, either.

--
"I was born when you kissed me. I died when you left me. I lived a
few
weeks while you loved me..." -Humphrey Bogart

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Oct 1, 1:23 pm, Will Dockery wrote:
>> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > >Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>Will Dockery wrote:

> > >> > Peter J Ross translated:

> I'm not prone to translating, but I am familiar with the subject
> matter having written several of my own nasal passages.

Yeah, I know you tend towards more of the original material... plus, I
think you mentioned you don't know German.

Hold up, I do remember you translated one of my poems ("Decima") into
Spanish, once... not sure where that's archived right now, though.

--
In A Dream I Saved You / Will Dockery & T.O.T.M. (Theatre of the
Mind):
http://youtu.be/ZGUZmzvqRP4

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Will Dockery wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny. LOL.

No offense intended, Corey, and the more I find out about the writer of The
Nasobeest, Christian Morgenstern, the more this falls in line with some of
my traditional reviews of your poetry:

http://www.reference-global.com/doi/abs/10.1515/9783110807646.137

Here's a few more poems by Christian Morgenstern, with English translation
by Max Knight:

http://www.jbeilharz.de/morgenstern/morgenstern_poems.html

These translations were originally published in:

The Gallows Songs
Christian Morgenstern's Galgenlieder
A Selection
Translated, with an
Introduction, by Max Knight
University of California Press 1964.

© 1963 by Max E. Knight

A good, short write-up on Wikipedia, also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Morgenstern

Christian Otto Josef Wolfgang Morgenstern (May 6, 1871 in Munich- March 31,
1914 in Meran) was a German author and poet from Munich. Morgenstern married
Margareta Gosebruch von Liechtenstern on March 7, 1910. He worked for a
while as a journalist in Berlin, but spent much of his life traveling
through Germany, Switzerland, and Italy, primarily in a vain attempt to
recover his health. His travels, though they failed to restore him to
health, allowed him to meet many of the foremost literary and philosophical
figures of his time in central Europe.

Morgenstern's poetry, much of which was inspired by English literary
nonsense, is immensely popular, even though he enjoyed very little success
during his lifetime. He made fun of scholasticism, e.g. literary criticism

in "Drei Hasen", grammar in "Der Werwolf", narrow-mindedness in "Der Gaul",

and symbolism in "Der Wasseresel". In "Scholastikerprobleme" he discussed
how many angels could sit on a needle. Still many Germans know some of his
poems and quotations by heart, e.g. the following line from "The Impossible
Fact" ("Die unmögliche Tatsache", 1910):

"For, he reasons pointedly / That which must not, can not be."

Embedded in his humorous poetry is a subtle metaphysical streak, as e.g. in
"Vice Versa", (1905):

"A rabbit in his meadow lair
Imagines none to see him there.
But aided by a looking lens
A man with eager diligence
Inspects the tiny long-eared gnome
From a convenient near-by dome.
Yet him surveys, or so we learn
A god from far off, mild and stern."

Gerolf Steiner's mock-scientific book about the fictitious animal order
Rhinogradentia (1961), inspired by Morgenstern's nonsense poem Das Nasobem

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Nasobame

is testament to Christian Morgenstern's enduring popularity.

--

[Will Dockery]

[Will Dockery]

Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

>>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Will Dockery wrote:

>> > > Peter J Ross translated:
>
> > > > > the nasobeest
> > > > > -------------
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>
> > > > > he walks on noses not on legs
> > > > > and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> > > > > left by the pens of scholars bald
> > > > > who to my smart soirées are called
>
> > > > > by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> > > > > and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> > > > > to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> > > > > discoverer of this beest am I
>
> > > > > now sir that my applause has ceased
> > > > > I introduce the nasobeest
>

> > > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > > Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny. LOL.
>

> > Well, it does have the same meter (iambic tetrameter) and rhyme scheme
> > that you habitually use.
>
> > Since you are aapc's master of that meter, why not give us your
> > translation? I think that would be great fun to read, and (unlike some
> > things you've written, like your work on TPB), it would fit right in
> > with the poetry on your own blog.
>

> thanks, but I don't have a translation to give. I don't know German,
> but I think Peter's translation is just fine. It served its purpose
> in that it got me reading more Morgenstern.

Indeed, Christian Morgenstern deserves more of an audience, and I have to
say this is probably my (only, perhaps) favorite work by PJR.

--
"I was born when you kissed me. I died when you left me. I lived a few weeks
while you loved me..." -Humphrey Bogart

[George Dance]

Yes, that he doesn't know German, but that now (thanks to ~PJ~) he's
reading more Morgenstern.

[George Dance]

The tetrameter meter, and the couplets (a-a-b-b-c-c), are what stick
out. Sometimes I call that combination "children's meter", not because
it's easy to write, but because it's used so much in children's verse,
whether trochaic (Humpty Dumpty) or anapestic (The Cat in the Hat). It
was also the basic verse form for rap.

Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.

[Will Dockery]

George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Will Dockery wrote:

<snip for brevity>

> > > > > A pretty good one, PJR... reminds me of Corey's poetry.
>
> > > > Hey, watch it there. That's not even funny. LOL.
>
> > > Well, it does have the same meter (iambic tetrameter) and rhyme scheme
> > > that you habitually use.
>
> > > Since you are aapc's master of that meter, why not give us your
> > > translation? I think that would be great fun to read, and (unlike some
> > > things you've written, like your work on TPB), it would fit right in
> > > with the poetry on your own blog.
>
> > That's what I was thinking when I first read the translation... and of
> > course the poem is in the public domain, also, there'd be no problem
> > there, either.
>
> The tetrameter meter, and the couplets (a-a-b-b-c-c), are what stick
> out. Sometimes I call that combination "children's meter", not because
> it's easy to write, but because it's used so much in children's verse,
> whether trochaic (Humpty Dumpty) or anapestic (The Cat in the Hat). It
> was also the basic verse form for rap.
>
> Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
> his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.

Yes, I had noticed the most famous translation, by Max Knight, was
very different from PJR's (very good) version:

http://dict.leo.org/forum/viewUnsolvedquery.php?idThread=170004&idForum=1&lp=ende&lang=en

> The Nosobame
>
> Upon his noses stalketh
>  around - the Nosobame;
>  with him, his offspring walketh.
>  He is not yet in Brehm,
>
> you find him not in Meyer,
>  nor does him Brockhaus cite.
>  He stepped forth from my lyre
>  the first time into light.
>
> Upon his noses stalketh -
>  Iwill again proclaim -
>  (with him his offspring walketh),
>  since then, the Nosobame.
>

> -Christian Morgenstern (translation by Max Knight)

--
In A Dream I Saved You / Will Dockery & T.O.T.M. (Theatre of the
Mind):
http://youtu.be/ZGUZmzvqRP4

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:23:28 -0700 (PDT),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> That's what I was thinking when I first read the translation... and of
> course the poem is in the public domain, also, there'd be no problem
> there, either.

I see what you and your chums are trying to do, when you use the
phrase "the poem" without saying what poem you mean.

"The poem" (i.e. "the nasobeest", which is certainly verse but is it a
poem?) is not a translation.

"The poem" is not in the public domain.

Even if "the poem" were a translation (instead of merely including a
few phrases which I described in a footnote for the benefit of you
kooks as very freely translated), it still wouldn't be in the public
domain.

That's tough for you thieves, isn't it?

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>

> That's tough for you thieves

Speaking of which, you seem pretty silent on the main discussion on
the subject of where "borrowing" stops & "thievery" begins.

You should read some of it... you might learn something, PJR.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:42:44 -0700 (PDT),

George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
> his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.

What the holy fuck do you think "common meter" is, MensaGeorge?

Are you thinking of this? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre>

Note the numerous examples from assorted hymns and poems.

Note that every example, without exception, has four stressed
syllables in lines 1 and 3 of each 4-line stanza, where Morgenstern's
wonderful "Das Nasobēm" has three.

di DUM di DUM di DUM di DUM - Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
di DUM di DUM di DUM di - Auf seinen Nasen schreitet

etc, etc.

Perhaps you can count stressed syllables up to two, but somewhere in
the region of three or four you get amusingly confused, like a dad
dancing at a disco. No wonder your "poems" scan so poorly.

I look foward to watching you try to wriggle out of this proof of your
cluelessness and stupidity, MensaGeorge.

--
PJR :-)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:13:12 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Speaking of which, you seem pretty silent on the main discussion on
> the subject of where "borrowing" stops & "thievery" begins.
>
> You should read some of it... you might learn something, PJR.

That'll be some self-justifying circle-jerk involving you, Dunce,
chuckles and any other passing plagiarists and copyright abusers, I
assume. Have you invited ~lmdelsanto~, Beauty123 and jonathan "s" to
join in?

Thieves like you are to be smacked around, not to be debated with.

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

At last, some serious poetry discussion on these newsgroups...
interesting.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:45:55 -0700 (PDT),

Are you going to tell Dunce he's a dunce for knowing even less about
poetry than you?

If you do, expect to see "Karma Bombs, by George Dance" on his
blaargh soon.


--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>

> Thieves like

<slap>

Like your habitually thieving pal Michael Cook?

I was just looking at one of his (triple) works of stolen material
today:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-CfyMjGHUjRY/SKZgs2OGAuI/AAAAAAAAAVo/TSHb7xPcuSc/Dockery_and_Chuck.jpg

And the original he stole it from:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg

Whatever happened to him, anyhow?

[the messenjah]

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> >> > Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
> >> > his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.
>

> >> What the holy fuck do you think "common meter" is, George?

>
> >> Are you thinking of this? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre>
>
> >> Note the numerous examples from assorted hymns and poems.
>
> >> Note that every example, without exception, has four stressed
> >> syllables in lines 1 and 3 of each 4-line stanza, where Morgenstern's
> >> wonderful "Das Nasobēm" has three.
>
> >> di DUM di DUM di DUM di DUM - Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
> >> di DUM di DUM di DUM di     - Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
>
> >> etc, etc.
>
> >> Perhaps you can count stressed syllables up to two, but somewhere in
> >> the region of three or four you get amusingly confused, like a dad
> >> dancing at a disco. No wonder your "poems" scan so poorly.
>
> >> I look foward to watching you try to wriggle out of this proof of your
> >> cluelessness and stupidity, MensaGeorge.
>
> > At last, some serious poetry discussion on these newsgroups...
> > interesting.
>
> Are you going to tell Dunce he's a dunce for knowing even less about
> poetry than you?
>
> If you do, expect to see "Karma Bombs, by George Dance" on his
> blaargh soon.

So, in your opinion George Dance is comparable to Michael Cook, PJR?

[Gwyneth]

On 29/09/11 01:52, Peter J Ross wrote:
> the nasobeest
> -------------
>
> now sir that my applause has ceased
> I introduce the nasobeest
>
> he walks on noses not on legs
> and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>
> left by the pens of scholars bald
> who to my smart soirées are called
>
> by jewelly toads that walk on legs
> and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>
> to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
> discoverer of this beest am I
>
> now sir that my applause has ceased
> I introduce the nasobeest
>

Unless I point out that there might be a comma missing in L8, or comment
on the "inkwells rainbow dregs" which is marvellous - although
'beeswing' might be a more appropriate word than 'rainbow' (and does
inkwells need an apostrophe?) - I really don't know what to object to here.

I read it just before catching a Spanish train where the safety
instructions read: "in case of fire, protect your mouth and nose with
handkerchiefs and walk on all four if necessary", and I pictured a whole
herd of nasobeests lumbering from the carriage if fire broke out. I was
almost sorry the journey was uneventful.

Thanks for posting.

g.

[George Dance]

On Oct 2, 6:01 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 1 Oct 2011 10:23:28 -0700 (PDT),
>

> Will Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > That's what I was thinking when I first read the translation... and of
> > course the poem is in the public domain, also, there'd be no problem
> > there, either.
>
> I see what you and your chums are trying to do, when you use the
> phrase "the poem" without saying what poem you mean.

Oh? Who else has been using that phrase in this thread?

> "The poem" (i.e. "the nasobeest", which is certainly verse but is it a
> poem?)

Well, you must think so, since you're calling it "The poem": and you
claim to be speaking for Will and all his "chums," since you say they
all call it that, too.

I certainly wouldn't want to get bogged down debating that, so I
suggest we just call it your whatever.

>is not a translation.
>

Of course not. As I've pointed out, you didn't keep Morgenstern's
meter or his rhyme scheme. I'll add that didn't keep what said about
his character: all you did was appropriate his character to write your
whatever -- because, if you weren't using his name and character, no
one would ever look twice at your whatever.

> "The poem" is not in the public domain.

Great. That may mean we'll never have to see it again.

> Even if "the poem" were a translation (instead of merely including a
> few phrases which I described in a footnote for the benefit of you
> kooks as very freely translated), it still wouldn't be in the public
> domain.
>

Seriously: irrespective of what you think about all the Mud People
being plagiarists, do you really think that anyone would put their own
name on your whatever? You're seriously saying that you're worried
about that? And just when you hadn't said anything obviously crazy for
almost a month, too. But I guess there's no escaping the conclusion:
you're batshit crazy.

> That's tough for you thieves, isn't it?

Gee: A batshit crazy troll from alt.usenet.kooks is calling Will and
his (real or imaginary) "chums" thieves. And now the batshit crazy
troll's two remaining "chums" might jump into the threat and start
doing the same thing. How much tougher could things possibly get?

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

<snip for focus>

> "The poem" is not in the public domain.

Sure it is, PJR:

> Das Nasobēm
> -----------
>
> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> einher das Nasobēm,
> von seinem Kind begleitet.
> Es steht noch nicht im Brehm.
>
> Es steht noch nicht im Meyer.
> Und auch im Brockhaus nicht.
> Es trat aus meiner Leyer
> zum ersten Mal ans Licht.
>
> Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
> (wie schon gesagt) seitdem,
> von seinem Kind begleitet,
> einher das Nasobēm.
>
> a magnificently untranslatable poem written by Christian Morgenstern (1871-1914)

Max Knight seemed to have little trouble translating the poem.

--
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Dockery & Friends:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XyRCh0kj5w

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 15:55:43 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Thieves like
>
> <slap>
>
> Like your habitually thieving pal Michael Cook?
>
> I was just looking at one of his (triple) works of stolen material
> today:
>
> http://lh4.ggpht.com/-CfyMjGHUjRY/SKZgs2OGAuI/AAAAAAAAAVo/TSHb7xPcuSc/Dockery_and_Chuck.jpg
>
> And the original he stole it from:
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg

Tee hee.

Do you want me to look up some of the posts in which you encouraged
God (alias Michael Cook) to continue making parody pictures of you?
They included links to any pictures of yourself that you could find
online.

You can then explain how the taking of something that's been thrust
into one's hand by its owner constitutes theft.

Dreckery: "Please drink this pint of beer I've bought for you."
God: "Cheers, Dreckery!"
Dreckery: "God stole my beer! Thief! Thief! THIEF!"

> Whatever happened to him, anyhow?

He's probably busy preparing the Last Judgement. The paperwork must be
horrendous.

--
PJR :-)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 03 Oct 2011 23:03:24 +0200,

Gwyneth <gwy...@patchword.com> wrote:

> On 29/09/11 01:52, Peter J Ross wrote:
>> the nasobeest
>> -------------
>>
>> now sir that my applause has ceased
>> I introduce the nasobeest
>>
>> he walks on noses not on legs
>> and drinks from inkwells rainbow dregs
>>
>> left by the pens of scholars bald
>> who to my smart soirées are called
>>
>> by jewelly toads that walk on legs
>> and not on noses thumbs or pegs
>>
>> to hear me laugh and whoop and cry
>> discoverer of this beest am I
>>
>> now sir that my applause has ceased
>> I introduce the nasobeest
>>
>
> Unless I point out that there might be a comma missing in L8,

It's missing, but so are all the other possible commas. I hesitated
about this one. Perhaps I'll add it this morning and remove it this
afternoon.

> or comment
> on the "inkwells rainbow dregs" which is marvellous - although
> 'beeswing' might be a more appropriate word than 'rainbow'

In such compact couplets, is there room to swing a bee?

I'll think about that one, but I don't want to include too many fancy
words.

> (and does inkwells need an apostrophe?)

Not unless greengrocers are selling them. Is the syntax unclear? I
wanted it to be merely odd.

> - I really don't know what to object to here.

Well, that's no use to me, is it?!

> I read it just before catching a Spanish train where the safety
> instructions read: "in case of fire, protect your mouth and nose with
> handkerchiefs and walk on all four if necessary", and I pictured a whole
> herd of nasobeests lumbering from the carriage if fire broke out. I was
> almost sorry the journey was uneventful.

My verse is always a useful guide to real life.

> Thanks for posting.

Thanks for commenting.

--
PJR :-)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 3 Oct 2011 17:09:56 -0700 (PDT),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

<drivelsnip>

If you froth with envious rage any more, you might have a stroke.

Please froth with enviou rage some more.

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Thieves like
>
> > <slap>
>
> > Like your habitually thieving pal Michael Cook?
>
> > I was just looking at one of his (triple) works of stolen material
> > today:
>
> > http://lh4.ggpht.com/-CfyMjGHUjRY/SKZgs2OGAuI/AAAAAAAAAVo/TSHb7xPcuSc/Dockery_and_Chuck.jpg
>
> > And the original he stole it from:
>

> > http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg
>
> Tee hee.

It was pretty funny, I agree...

> Do you want me to look up some of the posts in which you encouraged
> God (alias Michael Cook) to continue making parody pictures of you?
> They included links to any pictures of yourself that you could find
> online.

Ah, you don't get it, PJR... read slowly & I hopefully won't have to
repeat this many more times:

I referred to "triple thefts" in the above photograph, and others,
because not only did Cook steal my photograph, but he also stole the
background photo with te figures the faces were pasted on, and, of
course Chuck's photo...

IOW, Michael Cook has infringed copyrights and stolen intellectual
property from three different sources in the one photograph.

You're a smart guy, PJR, not to mention one of the biggest whiners
about theft on these newsgroups, so I know you understand, whether you
admit it or not.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Oct 2011 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT),

Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> IOW, Michael Cook has infringed copyrights and stolen intellectual
> property from three different sources in the one photograph.

As you well know, God (alias Michael Cook) hasn't infringed copyrights
or stolen intellectual property from any of those sources. Pretending
that he's done such things isn't doing you any favours.

Not only have the laws on copyright as they apply to parody, collage,
pastiche etc been explained to you, but you've recently been copying
and pasting assorted sensible opinions about them.

Your lies about God, alias Michael Cook, seem to be posted for no
other purpose than to defame somebody whose abilities you envy, much
like the lies you post about your other moral and intellectual
superiors.

But the USA has laws about defamation, and I'm not sure that claiming
you weren't responsible for your actions as a result of being a
narcissistic nutter would satisfy a judge and jury.

Now snip what I've written and paste some incoherent crap that you
pretend proves something. I command you!

--
PJR :-)

[the messenjah]

On Oct 4, 1:05 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Oct 2011 05:00:53 -0700 (PDT),
>

Ross. You're a fuckhead.
>
> --
> PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > IOW, Michael Cook has infringed copyrights and stolen intellectual
> > property from three different sources in the one photograph.
>
> As you well know, God (alias Michael Cook) hasn't infringed copyrights

I know for a fact he's infringed /mine/ more than once... Google "Karma
Bombs", of course, for the story of when he stole one of my poems and passed
t off as his own.

> or stolen intellectual property from any of those sources.

That depends on whether, as an example, the gay porn that Michael Cook stole
to paste the photos of Chuck and Bishop was copyrighted or in public domain.

Or the intellectual property of the models he pasted the faces onto...
questions yet to be answered, really.

> Not only have the laws on copyright as they apply to parody, collage,
> pastiche

If the photograph Cook stole to paste the faces of me and Chuck on is ever
intentified, and the models that the faces were pasted onto are ever
identified and questioned, we'll know more on what level of crime Cook
commited:

http://lh4.ggpht.com/-CfyMjGHUjRY/SKZgs2OGAuI/AAAAAAAAAVo/TSHb7xPcuSc/Dockery_and_Chuck.jpg

As far as my own intellectual property, I've already shown where Cook stole
that image from,

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Will_Dockery_Jocelyn_Lannom.jpg

and we know Chuck (and Tom Bishop) objected to the thefts Michael Cook
commited.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Oct 2011 14:27:13 -0400, Will
Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Michael Cook

> Cook

> Cook

> Cook

> Michael Cook


> committed

Obsessed stalkers ought to be.
`
--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>

> Michael Cook

A given that Cook's name will come up in a Usenet thread about intellectual
property theft & copyright infringement.

For the full story Google "Karma Bombs".

> Obsessed stalkers ought to be.

You're referring to your bizarre fantasies about Chuck, PJR?

--
Music & Poetry by Will Dockery:
https://will-dockery-and-friends.soundawesome.com/

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:38:31 -0400, Will

Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Michael Cook
>
> A given that Cook's name will come up in a Usenet thread

Yes. He is indeed a net.god.

<...>

--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>

> >> Michael Cook
>
> > A given that Cook's name will come up in a Usenet thread
>
> Yes. He is indeed a net.god.

Cook's a Usenet Legend, right up there with Chuck, Dennis M. Hammes & Tom
Bishop, no doubt about it.

[the messenjah]

On Oct 4, 3:42 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Tue, 4 Oct 2011 15:38:31 -0400, Will
>

> Dockery <will.dock...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> Michael Cook
>
> > A given that Cook's name will come up in a Usenet thread
>
> Yes. He is indeed a net.god.

Ross. You're a fuckhead.
>

> <...>
>
> --
> PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

"ggamble" <gg...@regretsof.nam> wrote:
>"Will Dockery" wrote:
>
> > As you well know, Michael Cook has infringed copyrights, and

>
> > I know for a fact he's infringed /mine/ more than once..

> >  the gay porn that Michael Cook stole
>

> By the way, who is Marie O'neal Clark?

Am I supposed to know her?

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 22:23:40 +0000 (UTC),

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

Where's MensaGeorge?

He seems not to be replying to my post.

I wonder why?


--
PJR :-)

[Will Dockery]

Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> Where's MensaGeorge?
>
> He seems not to be replying to my post.
>
> I wonder why?

Could it be that he's not online right now, PJR?

--
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[George Dance]

Not really. I scanned it as iambic tetrameter catalectic alternating
with iambic trimeter:

Auf SEI / nen Nas / en SCHREIT/et
einHER / das NAS/ oBEM,
[etc.]

~PJ~ is welcome to scan it as something else if he wants to. I notice
that, 5 days later, he hasn't bothered to do so, so I doubt he's
actually interested in discussing meter.

It looks to me like he just wanted to divert attention from my comment
that he essentially stole Morgenstern's character to write his own
little whatever: He wasn't able to make that comment go away by
snipping it (and he wasn't able to get me to go away by making bogus
complaints to Rogers and Google, so apparently he's trying something
else.

[Will Dockery]

On Oct 7, 6:53 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

Ah, in another attempt to copyright a public domain piece... seems to
be a pattern with PJR.

He wasn't able to make that comment go away by
> snipping it (and he wasn't able to get me to go away by making bogus
> complaints to Rogers and Google, so apparently he's trying something
> else.

--

Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:
http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4

[George Dance]

On Oct 7, 7:17 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Oct 2, 6:23 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:42:44 -0700 (PDT),

> > George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
> > > his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.
>
> > What the holy fuck do you think "common meter" is, MensaGeorge?
>
> > Are you thinking of this? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre>
>

> "four lines which alternate between iambic tetrameter ... and iambic
> trimeter"

>
> > Note the numerous examples from assorted hymns and poems.
>
> > Note that every example, without exception, has four stressed
> > syllables in lines 1 and 3 of each 4-line stanza, where Morgenstern's
> > wonderful "Das Nasobēm" has three.
>

> Oh,gee, and every example, without exception, is in English, while
> Morgenstern's isn't. I guess that proves ... something, anyway; I'm
> sure you're going to tell us.

>
> > di DUM di DUM di DUM di DUM - Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
> > di DUM di DUM di DUM di     - Auf seinen Nasen schreitet
>
> > etc, etc.
>

> Yep, English in Wikipedia, German in Morgenstern.

>
> > Perhaps you can count stressed syllables up to two, but somewhere in
> > the region of three or four you get amusingly confused, like a dad
> > dancing at a disco.
>

> Excuse me, ~PJ~ you're now saying that you can count the syllables in
> a poem. You do remember that, just six months ago when you were
> dumping on "Margaret Attwood", you were denying that you or anyone
> could do that (because you claimed there was no reliable way to do
> that. And now you're telling us you can. So you're in another
> contradiction; you were lying then, or lying now.
>
> So there's no reason to believe you here. (Hint: If you want any
> credibility, you could try scanning Morgenstern's poem yourself.)

>
> > No wonder your "poems" scan so poorly.
>

> Show, don't tell. After you finish supplying your scansion of
> Morgenstern's verse, you can supply a scanned line or two of one of my
> "poems" and show why you think it scans poorly. If you want any
> credibility, of course.

>
> > I look foward to watching you try to wriggle out of this proof of your
> > cluelessness and stupidity, MensaGeorge.
>

> Well, I look forward to seeing your "proof," ~PJ~.

[Will Dockery]

Quotes are scrambled, can hardly tell who'd saying what here.

[George Dance]

On Oct 2, 6:23 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote:

> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sun, 2 Oct 2011 08:42:44 -0700 (PDT),
>

> George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > Interestingly, though, it wasn't the meter Morgenstern used to write
> > his poem: He used common meter, rhyming a-b-a-b.
>
> What the holy fuck do you think "common meter" is, MensaGeorge?
>
> Are you thinking of this? <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_metre>

"four lines which alternate between iambic tetrameter ... and iambic

trimeter". That'll do.

>
> Note the numerous examples from assorted hymns and poems.
>
> Note that every example, without exception, has four stressed
> syllables in lines 1 and 3 of each 4-line stanza, where Morgenstern's
> wonderful "Das Nasobēm" has three.
>

> Oh,geel and every example, without exception, is in English, while
> Morgenstern's nonsense verse isn't. I guess that proves ... something, anyway; I'm
> sure you're just dying to tell us.

> di DUM di DUM di DUM di DUM - Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound
> di DUM di DUM di DUM di     - Auf seinen Nasen schreitet

English in Wikipedia, German in Morgenstern.

> etc, etc.
>

Indeed.

> Perhaps you can count stressed syllables up to two, but somewhere in
> the region of three or four you get amusingly confused, like a dad
> dancing at a disco.

> Excuse me, ~PJ~ you're now saying that you can count the syllables in
> a poem. You do remember that, just six months ago when you were
> dumping on "Margaret Attwood", you were denying that you or anyone
> could do that (because you claimed there was no reliable way to do

> that. And now you're claiming the opposite. So you're caught in yet another

> contradiction; you were lying then, or lying now.
>

> So there's no reason to believe you here. (Hint: If you want any
> credibility, you could try scanning Morgenstern's poem yourself.)
>
>No wonder your "poems" scan so poorly.
>

Show, don't tell. After you finish supplying your scansion of
Morgenstern's verse, you can supply a scanned line or two of one of my

"poems" and show why you think it scans poorly. If you want some
credibility.

[George Dance]

On Oct 7, 7:58 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Oct 2, 6:23 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote

> :
>

And again it's posted with ~PJ~'s little trollheader. Well, I've had
enough of revising and replacing. I'll just point out, for the sake of
Will et al, that in the conversation is message I'm the one with one
">" while ~PJ has two. If you'd rather, you can reply to the previous
message; but I'd ask anyone who does to please remove the trollcrap.

[George Dance]

On Sep 30, 6:44 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> On Sep 30, 9:32 am, "ggamble" <g...@youbet.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Did dunce tell you to say that?
>
> Wow, that is original, isn't it Gary? Maybe you weren't exactly the
> first to come up with the dance/dunce pun, but you were the first to
> *use a lower case d.* Sheer genius: you really must have the high IQ
> you keep telling the group you have.

[Will Dockery]

George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote
>
> And again it's posted with ~PJ~'s little trollheader. Well, I've had
> enough of revising and replacing. I'll just point out, for the sake of
> Will et al, that in the conversation is message I'm the one with one
> ">" while ~PJ has two. If you'd rather, you can reply to the previous
> message; but I'd ask anyone who does to please remove the trollcrap.

Indeed, perhaps this is the capper, anyhow, since PJR has nowhere to
turn and zero backup, these days.

And, as usual, PJR goes silent when the "post proof or shut the fuck
up" rule is evoked.

[Will Dockery]

On Oct 8, 3:57 pm, Hieronymous707 <hieronymous...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Shark Pact Manifesto / Will Dockery & Shadowville All-Stars:http://youtu.be/Ft3X3kC6nr4-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Soliciting
>
> Have you heard of "Tradeshow Whores"?
> They'll love you long time. On the floor,
> I've whored for years. Few tears I've shed
> for carpet knees. I please instead
>
> by giving heady thoughts that oft
> pertain quite plainly to the soft
> and fuzzy warmness formed in trade
> with those, supposedly, who've paid
>
> for service rendered, tender care;
> such touch and care they'll dare to stare
> much longer, lingering to listen
> to a whore who has them wishin'
>
> more and more for whore words, often
> hardly heard until they soften.
> So, as I often softly relate,
> "Hey there, mate! You need a date?"

Aha, now that's the Corey we love to... sycophant.

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 7 Oct 2011 17:08:36 -0700 (PDT),
George Dance <george...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> On Oct 7, 7:58 pm, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>> On Oct 2, 6:23 pm, Peter J Ross <p...@example.invalid> wrote
>
>> :
>>
>
> And again it's posted with ~PJ~'s little trollheader.

What the fuck are you babbling about now, Dunce?

> Well, I've had
> enough of revising and replacing.

Does this mean that you'll be replying once to each post instead of
two or three times?

> I'll just point out, for the sake of
> Will et al, that in the conversation is message I'm the one with one
> ">" while ~PJ has two.

Nobody suggested that you were unable to count up to two. It's
counting up to four that causes you such amusing difficulty.

> If you'd rather, you can reply to the previous
> message; but I'd ask anyone who does to please remove the trollcrap.

Snipping your trollcrap would leave nothing to reply to, Dunce.

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PJR :-)

[Peter J Ross]

In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Sat, 8 Oct 2011 12:12:55 -0700 (PDT),
Will Dockery <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

> And, as usual, PJR goes silent when the "post proof or shut the fuck
> up" rule is evoked.

Awww, poor Dreckery missed me for the day or two I had better things
to do than read his garbage.

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PJR :-)