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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 12:33:07 AM12/14/14
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"Hieronymous707" wrote in message
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> Have you ever heard of a poem titled
> This, This Rude Knocking by WB Yeats ?
> I've seen it referenced, but haven't been
> able to find an actual text of the poem.
> It has apparently Gonne missing.
It has me curious. The poem isn't in the only W. B Yeats collection on my
shelf, The Celtic Twilight, but that isn’t surprising.
I'm asking about, maybe someone will have a lead.
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>
> Have you ever heard of a poem titled
> This, This Rude Knocking by WB Yeats ?
> I've seen it referenced, but haven't been
> able to find an actual text of the poem.
> It has apparently Gonne missing.
It has me curious. The poem isn't in the only W. B Yeats collection on my
shelf, The Celtic Twilight, but that isn’t surprising.
I'm asking about, maybe someone will have a lead.
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 4:56:01 AM12/14/14
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On Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:39:35 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> There is a reference to it in the Wikipedia article on Maud Gonne,
> and also in several articles that apparently plagiarize Wikipedia,
> but I haven't been able to locate any text of the work itself.
Someone on Wikipedia also questions that reference, but after four years since their question was posted there's been no reply or reference added to the article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maud_Gonne#.22This.2C_This_Rude_Knocking.22
"This, This Rude Knocking"[edit]
Is this an actual poem? I can't find any reference to it other than in this article and in translations of this article. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.24.16 (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Interesting trivia, thanks for posting.
> There is a reference to it in the Wikipedia article on Maud Gonne,
> and also in several articles that apparently plagiarize Wikipedia,
> but I haven't been able to locate any text of the work itself.
Someone on Wikipedia also questions that reference, but after four years since their question was posted there's been no reply or reference added to the article:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maud_Gonne#.22This.2C_This_Rude_Knocking.22
"This, This Rude Knocking"[edit]
Is this an actual poem? I can't find any reference to it other than in this article and in translations of this article. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.24.16 (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Interesting trivia, thanks for posting.
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 5:07:21 AM12/14/14
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On Sunday, December 14, 2014 4:59:59 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> Whoosh, Gonne. LOL.
I wonder if the poem /might/ turn out to be a part of the volume of letters between Yeats and Gonne that was published some time ago.
Just a thought... maybe it really is a lost or apocryphal poem.
> Whoosh, Gonne. LOL.
I wonder if the poem /might/ turn out to be a part of the volume of letters between Yeats and Gonne that was published some time ago.
Just a thought... maybe it really is a lost or apocryphal poem.
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 5:17:07 AM12/14/14
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On Sunday, December 14, 2014 5:11:26 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> Lost or apocryphal, lost or apocryphal, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. LOL.
Almost looks that way, don't it?
> Lost or apocryphal, lost or apocryphal, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. LOL.
Almost looks that way, don't it?
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 5:47:25 AM12/14/14
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On Sunday, December 14, 2014 5:23:36 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> How often do you use words like
> apocryphal in day to day speech?
> It makes you sound pretentious.
I actually use the word a lot depending on who I'm talking to. Try talking with friends of mine such as P.D. Wilson or Hermel the folk singing former School of Americas teacher next time you come to town, and I think you'll see what I mean. Of course they weren't around the last time you were here, since we spent all of our time out at Doo-Nanny that weekend.
But... point is, the word "apocryphal" is perfect for this discussion, since I'm not exactly sure that "This, This Rude Knocking" even exists.
And you can give up on trying to pick a fight with me here this morning, I'm not going to fall for it right now... or will try not to.
Heh...
> How often do you use words like
> apocryphal in day to day speech?
> It makes you sound pretentious.
I actually use the word a lot depending on who I'm talking to. Try talking with friends of mine such as P.D. Wilson or Hermel the folk singing former School of Americas teacher next time you come to town, and I think you'll see what I mean. Of course they weren't around the last time you were here, since we spent all of our time out at Doo-Nanny that weekend.
But... point is, the word "apocryphal" is perfect for this discussion, since I'm not exactly sure that "This, This Rude Knocking" even exists.
And you can give up on trying to pick a fight with me here this morning, I'm not going to fall for it right now... or will try not to.
Heh...
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 6:09:52 AM12/14/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> your time won't be completely wasted
It isn't wasted at all, since I feel that this is an interesting subject.
Thanks for finding it, now I look forward to a solution.
And you're right, it is pretty funny the way that same Wikipedia quote has spread to dozens of articles and websites, as if it was a fact... rather than a possibly apocryphal moment in the life of a poet, such as:
http://victorianachronists.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/victorian-sex-and-soul-mates/
"...Yeats spent more than 20 years of his life obsessed with an Irish feminist and nationalist named Maud Gonne. Many of his poems reference her, including 'This, This Rude Knocking' and he wrote the plays The Countess Cathleen and Cathleen Ní Houlihan for her. In his eyes, she has been Helen of Troy, Cathleen Ní Houlihan, Leda, Deirdre, and many others."
And... so it went, maybe.
>
> your time won't be completely wasted
It isn't wasted at all, since I feel that this is an interesting subject.
Thanks for finding it, now I look forward to a solution.
And you're right, it is pretty funny the way that same Wikipedia quote has spread to dozens of articles and websites, as if it was a fact... rather than a possibly apocryphal moment in the life of a poet, such as:
http://victorianachronists.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/victorian-sex-and-soul-mates/
"...Yeats spent more than 20 years of his life obsessed with an Irish feminist and nationalist named Maud Gonne. Many of his poems reference her, including 'This, This Rude Knocking' and he wrote the plays The Countess Cathleen and Cathleen Ní Houlihan for her. In his eyes, she has been Helen of Troy, Cathleen Ní Houlihan, Leda, Deirdre, and many others."
And... so it went, maybe.
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Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 6:23:29 AM12/14/14
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Hieronymous707 wrote:
> LOL. Okay, let's examine your FEELINGS
> as to who and what makes the subject so
> fucking interesting for you.
>
> Feelings, Ho Ho Ho, Feelings.
I didn't write that it was /that/ interesting, it's just the only thing
happening on the newsgroup this morning.
Get it, now?
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George Dance
Dec 14, 2014, 10:26:00 AM12/14/14
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I don't have time for this today -- tis the season to visit relatives -- but time permitting I'll do some deeper digging. It smells as fishy as Barceloneta; I suspect a Warren Kinthompson-type hoax.
Will Dockery
Dec 14, 2014, 4:04:14 PM12/14/14
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I posted this at Answers.com, for example:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_the_poem_This_This_Rude_Knocking_by_W.B._Yeats_real_or_a_hoax?show_thank_you=1
"Is the poem This This Rude Knocking by W.B. Yeats real or a hoax?"
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Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 3:25:50 PM12/15/14
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http://www.answers.com/Q/Is_the_poem_This_This_Rude_Knocking_by_W.B._Yeats_real_or_a_hoax?show_thank_you=1
AUTHORS, POETS, AND PLAYWRIGHTS, POETRY
Is the poem This This Rude Knocking by W.B. Yeats real or a hoax?
"The poem "This , This Rude Knocking" is not by W.B. Yeats. That is a hoax as it was written by Maud Gonne."
Which invites more questions than it actually answers.
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Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 3:43:02 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 3:34:55 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> Don't you just hate when that happens?
"Hate" is a rather strong word for this, don't you feel?
> Don't you just hate when that happens?
"Hate" is a rather strong word for this, don't you feel?
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Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 4:03:53 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 3:49:34 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> I don't know. That's why I asked you.
> You're the one looking for answers.
Okay then... no, I don't hate it.
> I don't know. That's why I asked you.
> You're the one looking for answers.
Okay then... no, I don't hate it.
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 15, 2014, 4:06:57 PM12/15/14
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Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 4:36:34 PM12/15/14
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http://www.ornaross.com/2013/11/wb-yeats-poems-inspired-by-maud-gonne/
"...In the courtly love tradition, the poet deliberately woos a muse as a career move: to extend his spiritual and creative capacities. Dante's pursuit of the unattainable Beatrice is the model for this "suffering of desire" that, Yeats believed, made Dante's "the chief imagination of Christendom" in the sixteenth century. When Maud Gonne came calling to his house in 1889, Yeats was perfectly primed to cast her in this role, so he might become the "chief imagination" of his own time."
Of course, I reckon, "This, This Rude Knocking" is not among the Yeats poems discussed in the blog.
Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 4:51:23 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:06:55 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> That's a good thing, considering. LOL.
Considering what?
> That's a good thing, considering. LOL.
Considering what?
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Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 8:29:35 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
> I don't know, considering the questions you're
> asking, and the answers you're looking for?
Okay, yeah... that's right.
> I don't know, considering the questions you're
> asking, and the answers you're looking for?
Okay, yeah... that's right.
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Michael Pendragon
Dec 15, 2014, 9:36:14 PM12/15/14
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George Dance
Dec 15, 2014, 10:25:40 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:41:18 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
~~
"Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J Ross, 5 days previously
Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
> ... τὸ διδάξασθαι δέ τοι
> εἰδότι ῥᾴτερον· ἄγνωμον δὲ τὸ μὴ προμαθεῖν·
> κουφότεραι γὰρ ἀπειράτων φρένες. (Pindar)
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
> Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> Get a room.
> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
~~
"Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J Ross, 5 days previously
Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
> ... τὸ διδάξασθαι δέ τοι
> εἰδότι ῥᾴτερον· ἄγνωμον δὲ τὸ μὴ προμαθεῖν·
> κουφότεραι γὰρ ἀπειράτων φρένες. (Pindar)
Will Dockery
Dec 15, 2014, 10:56:46 PM12/15/14
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On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:41:18 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
> Will Dockery wrote:
>
> Get a room.
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
Suddenly PJR has stopped pretending to Killfile me... what a surprise!
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
Will Dockery
Dec 16, 2014, 6:00:55 AM12/16/14
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"George Dance" wrote in message
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>On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:41:18 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> Get a room.
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
~~
"Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J
Ross, 5 days previously
Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
The old PJR hypocrisy in full swing...
>> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
>>> Will Dockery wrote:
>>> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> Get a room.
>
> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
>
> --
> PJR :-)
~~
"Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J
Ross, 5 days previously
Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
Will Dockery
Dec 16, 2014, 6:15:46 AM12/16/14
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Will Dockery
Dec 19, 2014, 11:40:22 PM12/19/14
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Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> After more than ten years whining and spamming on Usenet
Haven't you grown tired of it by now, PJR?
>
> After more than ten years whining and spamming on Usenet
Haven't you grown tired of it by now, PJR?
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Will Dockery
Dec 21, 2014, 5:21:10 PM12/21/14
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Peter J Ross wrote:
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:40:21 -0800 (PST),
> You'll know when I tire of it
Because since you do nothing else but whine and spam, you'll go away and/or pretend to killfile me again?
Afer a decade of your routine, you've become very predictable, PJR.
> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Fri, 19 Dec 2014 20:40:21 -0800 (PST),
Because since you do nothing else but whine and spam, you'll go away and/or pretend to killfile me again?
Afer a decade of your routine, you've become very predictable, PJR.
Will Dockery
Dec 26, 2014, 6:48:53 AM12/26/14
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Peter J Ross wrote:
>
> Are things not going too well with you and the Creepster?
And I trust you and your little Cujo had a splendid Christmas, Peter?
--
"Feelin' Alright" / A tribute to Joe Cocker: http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/video/4971478
> George Dance wrote:
>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:41:18 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> >> Get a room.
> >>
> >> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
> >
>> On Monday, December 15, 2014 8:41:18 PM UTC-5, Peter J Ross wrote:
> >> In alt.arts.poetry.comments on Mon, 15 Dec 2014 17:29:34 -0800 (PST),
> >> Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > On Monday, December 15, 2014 4:58:03 PM UTC-5, Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> >> Get a room.
> >>
> >> Or get a suite of rooms - a honeymoon suite would be appropriate.
> >
> > ~~
> > "Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
> > accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J Ross, 5 days previously
> > Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
>
> Why are you so upset by my approval of a happy marriage, Dunce?
> > "Other examples of kook things are ... (b)
> > accusing everybody who laughs at you on Usenet of being gay." - Piggy J Ross, 5 days previously
> > Message-ID: <slrnm8h99...@homeridae.org>
>
>
> Are things not going too well with you and the Creepster?
And I trust you and your little Cujo had a splendid Christmas, Peter?
--
"Feelin' Alright" / A tribute to Joe Cocker: http://www.reverbnation.com/open_graph/video/4971478
Will Dockery
Dec 29, 2014, 11:21:53 AM12/29/14
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George Dance wrote:
An "expert" is now saying the poem was actually written by Maud Gonne but offered no evidence of this, such as where the text of the still-elusive poem can be found.
--
"I intend to collect all my work and reinsert my pantheon of uniform names, leave the long shelf full of books there, and die happy..." -Jack Kerouac
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> Will Dockery wrote:
> > Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> > There is a reference to it in the Wikipedia article on Maud Gonne,
> > > and also in several articles that apparently plagiarize Wikipedia,
> > > but I haven't been able to locate any text of the work itself.
> >
> > Someone on Wikipedia also questions that reference, but after four years since their question was posted there's been no reply or reference added to the article:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maud_Gonne#.22This.2C_This_Rude_Knocking.22
> >
> > "This, This Rude Knocking"[edit]
> > Is this an actual poem? I can't find any reference to it other than in this article and in translations of this article. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.24.16 (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
> >
> > Interesting trivia, thanks for posting.
>
> I did a quick search; all the on-line references to the poem are after the Wikipedia entry appeared; all of them are similarly uncited; and most of them read like copies of the Wikipedia entry.
>
> I don't have time for this today -- tis the season to visit relatives -- but time permitting I'll do some deeper digging. It smells as fishy as Barceloneta; I suspect a Warren Kinthompson-type hoax.
Find out anything yet, George?
> > Hieronymous707 wrote:
>
> > There is a reference to it in the Wikipedia article on Maud Gonne,
> > > and also in several articles that apparently plagiarize Wikipedia,
> > > but I haven't been able to locate any text of the work itself.
> >
> > Someone on Wikipedia also questions that reference, but after four years since their question was posted there's been no reply or reference added to the article:
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Maud_Gonne#.22This.2C_This_Rude_Knocking.22
> >
> > "This, This Rude Knocking"[edit]
> > Is this an actual poem? I can't find any reference to it other than in this article and in translations of this article. --Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.24.16 (talk) 19:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
> >
> > Interesting trivia, thanks for posting.
>
> I did a quick search; all the on-line references to the poem are after the Wikipedia entry appeared; all of them are similarly uncited; and most of them read like copies of the Wikipedia entry.
>
> I don't have time for this today -- tis the season to visit relatives -- but time permitting I'll do some deeper digging. It smells as fishy as Barceloneta; I suspect a Warren Kinthompson-type hoax.
An "expert" is now saying the poem was actually written by Maud Gonne but offered no evidence of this, such as where the text of the still-elusive poem can be found.
--
"I intend to collect all my work and reinsert my pantheon of uniform names, leave the long shelf full of books there, and die happy..." -Jack Kerouac
Check out "Idol Hour Night / Will Dockery & The Shadowville All-Stars - http://www.reverbnation.com/willdockery/song/15928895-idol-hour-night--dockery-mallard
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