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George Dance's stolen poem "At the Gates of Dawn"
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NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 9:18:28 AM7/15/21
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We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
See below, with the lines that George Dance presented as his own, then what song it is from and the original lyrics as written by Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd. Lines in quotation marks are the Pink Floyd lyrics
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At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
“At night prowling sifting sand.”
the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
“And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
“It forms when darkness is increased by one.” – This makes no sense out of the context of the song.
& from the icy waters underground – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Around the ice waters underground”
a scarlet eagle rises, shining gold – from “Matilda Mother”
“With silver eyes the scarlet eagle”
on all. Floating down, the light resounds – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Floating down, the sound resounds”
blindingly – flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Blinding signs flap,”
“Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.”
& all the land is lime and limpid green. – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Lime and limpid green, a second scene”
Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive. – from “Flaming”
Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew. – from “Flaming”
“Watching buttercups cup the light”
“Lazing in the foggy dew”
“Sleeping on a dandelion”
Change, return, success, going & coming, - from Chapter 24
“Change returns success”
“Going and coming without error.”
nothing can be destroyed once & for all: - from Chapter 24
“Things cannot be destroyed once and for all.”
Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river – from “The Gnome”
“Look at the sky, look at the river”
lazily winding, finding its way to sea – partly from “The Gnome”
“Winding, finding places to go”
lazily winding, finding its way to sea. – the other part is from “Lucifer Sam”
“Lucifer go to sea.”
See below, with the lines that George Dance presented as his own, then what song it is from and the original lyrics as written by Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd. Lines in quotation marks are the Pink Floyd lyrics
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At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
“At night prowling sifting sand.”
the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
“And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
“It forms when darkness is increased by one.” – This makes no sense out of the context of the song.
& from the icy waters underground – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Around the ice waters underground”
a scarlet eagle rises, shining gold – from “Matilda Mother”
“With silver eyes the scarlet eagle”
on all. Floating down, the light resounds – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Floating down, the sound resounds”
blindingly – flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Blinding signs flap,”
“Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.”
& all the land is lime and limpid green. – from “Astronomy Domine”
“Lime and limpid green, a second scene”
Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive. – from “Flaming”
Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew. – from “Flaming”
“Watching buttercups cup the light”
“Lazing in the foggy dew”
“Sleeping on a dandelion”
Change, return, success, going & coming, - from Chapter 24
“Change returns success”
“Going and coming without error.”
nothing can be destroyed once & for all: - from Chapter 24
“Things cannot be destroyed once and for all.”
Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river – from “The Gnome”
“Look at the sky, look at the river”
lazily winding, finding its way to sea – partly from “The Gnome”
“Winding, finding places to go”
lazily winding, finding its way to sea. – the other part is from “Lucifer Sam”
“Lucifer go to sea.”
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 15, 2021, 9:44:25 AM7/15/21
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NIce work, NG
NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 10:04:08 AM7/15/21
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It badly reflects on George Dance's character that he would do this.
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 15, 2021, 10:10:54 AM7/15/21
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Now to hear his spaghetti logic about your research.
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 15, 2021, 10:11:18 AM7/15/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
I "borrow" frequently from Irving Berlin, Cab Calloway, Shakespeare (who doesn't), fairy tales, old-timey ballads, but it's usually the gist or one or two phrases. This is a bit more than borrowing.
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 15, 2021, 10:27:08 AM7/15/21
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NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 10:46:53 AM7/15/21
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George J. Dance
Jul 15, 2021, 11:00:05 AM7/15/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
<q>
On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On May 22, 6:24 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
>
> > Syd's Sunrise
>
> > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on,
> > the gnomes are safely sleeping in their homes,
> > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on,
> > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7,
> > & from the icy waters underground
>
> > a scarlet eagle rises, showering gold
>
> > on all. Floating down, the light resounds
> > blindingly -- flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow
> > -- & all the land is lime and limpid green.
> > Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive.
> > Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew.
>
> > Change, return, success, going and coming,
>
> > nothing can be destroyed once & for all:
> > Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river,
> > lazily winding, finding its way to sea.
>
> A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
>
Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it
would be received.
I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in.
I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they
were released 40 years ago.
</q>
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 15, 2021, 11:08:25 AM7/15/21
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NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 11:22:16 AM7/15/21
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Clay Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 12:33:18 PM7/15/21
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NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 2:55:35 PM7/15/21
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https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/how-to-draw-influence-from-other-writers-without-plagiarizing-6-tips-to-avoid-an-ailey-otoole-situation
W.Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 3:07:22 PM7/15/21
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Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
To set the record straight, once again.
To set the record straight, once again.
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 15, 2021, 3:25:59 PM7/15/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
>
> To set the record straight, once again.
He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
>
> To set the record straight, once again.
George J. Dance
Jul 15, 2021, 3:31:40 PM7/15/21
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"Like many first centos, you went for the phrases that resonated with you from the world of music. And you weaved them together well, on rereading.
"The big problem with that is that your phrases resonated with a lot of people; they immediately thought of the Beatles, Bowie, and the rest; and that got in the way of actually thinking about the poem as a unified thing. And because it was a cento, there were so many of them, they became constant interruptions."
I don't want to build any such distraction into the poem. But it can't hurt to identify the piece, under the title, as "(a cento"). (I previously had to do that with the one "Martian poem" I wrote, and I don't think it distracts.) And I can also give Barrett and his lyrics credit separately - in a comment on the blog, and on the colophon page of the book. I'm planning to make some changes to D&od this year, and I can add that then as well).
Will Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 3:46:44 PM7/15/21
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I'm glad that you were not fooled by the fake Clay, Karen.
:)
Michael Pendragon
Jul 15, 2021, 3:53:06 PM7/15/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:46:44 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > >
> > > To set the record straight, once again.
> >
> > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> Not everyone knows that the posts are forgeries and identity thefts, and so I identity the impostor troll posts for the archives.
That's true: no one who understands the meaning of "forgeries" and "identity thefts" would even consider such a thing.
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >
> > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > >
> > > To set the record straight, once again.
> >
> > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> Not everyone knows that the posts are forgeries and identity thefts, and so I identity the impostor troll posts for the archives.
Michael Pendragon
“The majority of my posts, love it or hate it, ate posts of my poetry.”
-- Will Dockery
NancyGene
Jul 15, 2021, 3:57:46 PM7/15/21
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> I don't want to build any such distraction into the poem. But it can't hurt to identify the piece, under the title, as "(a cento").
> (I previously had to do that with the one "Martian poem" I wrote, and I don't think it distracts.) And I can also give Barrett and his lyrics credit separately
> - in a comment on the blog,
> and on the colophon page of the book. I'm planning to make some changes to D&od this year, and I can add that then as well).
Will Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 4:12:13 PM7/15/21
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Karen Tellefsen
Jul 15, 2021, 5:11:55 PM7/15/21
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J. Corey Connor
Jul 15, 2021, 5:14:25 PM7/15/21
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W-Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 7:28:18 PM7/15/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:22:16 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> We see that
>
> "cento" as an excuse for George Dance
Because it IS a Cento.
> "Writers Digest" has something to say about that..
> https://www.writersdigest.com/write-better-fiction/how-to-draw-influence-from-other-writers-without-plagiarizing-6-tips-to-avoid-an-ailey-otoole-situation
jdcha...@gmail.com
Jul 15, 2021, 8:46:26 PM7/15/21
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Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 15, 2021, 8:49:38 PM7/15/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 9:34:02 PM7/15/21
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> Have you heard any Pink Floyd? Can not more adamantly recommend and implore that you listen to the music of this top notch band!!! Saw them in ‘94 and was absolutely floored and transported! One of the very greatest bands EVER!!! Both lyrically and musically… love all of their albums from “Piper at the gates of dawn” upto and including “Animals”…
I never saw Pink Floyd llve, that had to have been a blast.
jdcha...@gmail.com
Jul 15, 2021, 9:38:12 PM7/15/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 15, 2021, 9:59:39 PM7/15/21
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I take it you're not fond of The Wall?
Pink Floyd does get a bit preachy on that album.
jdcha...@gmail.com
Jul 16, 2021, 12:44:57 AM7/16/21
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Karen Tellefsen
Jul 16, 2021, 8:50:24 AM7/16/21
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Karen Tellefsen
Jul 16, 2021, 8:53:36 AM7/16/21
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> Have you heard any Pink Floyd? Can not more adamantly recommend and implore that you listen to the music of this top notch band!!! Saw them in ‘94 and was absolutely floored and transported! One of the very greatest bands EVER!!! Both lyrically and musically… love all of their albums from “Piper at the gates of dawn” up to and including “Animals”…
I'm sure I've heard some of their music; I just never LISTENED to it. Like everyone, I have limited time and I have to pick and chose what to pay attention to.
J. Corey Connor
Jul 16, 2021, 10:05:18 AM7/16/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 12:29:24 PM7/16/21
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:)
George J. Dance
Jul 16, 2021, 12:37:28 PM7/16/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 16, 2021, 12:57:54 PM7/16/21
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W-Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 1:12:19 PM7/16/21
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J. Corey Connor
Jul 16, 2021, 1:52:24 PM7/16/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 2:03:10 PM7/16/21
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J. Corey Connor
Jul 16, 2021, 2:04:14 PM7/16/21
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Dennis Teal
Jul 16, 2021, 2:09:26 PM7/16/21
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Dennis Teal
Jul 16, 2021, 2:11:25 PM7/16/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 2:21:21 PM7/16/21
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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:11:25 PM UTC-4, fake Dennis forged:
So the impostor troll is also a sleazy homophobe as well.
No surprise, there.
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:46:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:46:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance
No surprise, there.
Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 2:22:18 PM7/16/21
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:)
George J. Dance
Jul 16, 2021, 4:27:15 PM7/16/21
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George J. Dance
Jul 16, 2021, 4:29:42 PM7/16/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 7:03:13 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon
Jul 16, 2021, 9:43:33 PM7/16/21
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Just sayin'.
Michael Pendragon
“I'd think so, but never underestimate the stupidity of a troll.”
-- Will Dockery
W-Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 10:22:22 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 7:03:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:27:15 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:21:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:11:25 PM UTC-4, fake Dennis forged:
>> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:46:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J.. Dance wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 7:03:13 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:27:15 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:21:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:11:25 PM UTC-4, fake Dennis forged:
>> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:49:38 PM UTC-4, Edward Rochester Esq. wrote:
>> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 8:46:26 PM UTC-4, jdcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 5:11:55 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell....@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance
>> > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
>> > > > > > > > > > > > “At night prowling sifting sand.”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
>> > > > > > > > > > > > “And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
>> > > > > > > > > > > > “It forms when darkness is increased by one..” – This makes no sense out of the context of the song.
>> > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance
>> > > > > > > > > > > > ----------
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
>> > > > > > > > > > > > “At night prowling sifting sand.”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
>> > > > > > > > > > > > “And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
In other words, why do you lie so much, Michael Pendragon?
:)
Dennis Teal
Jul 16, 2021, 10:27:47 PM7/16/21
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W.Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 10:36:19 PM7/16/21
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Dennis Teal wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:29:42 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:09:26 PM UTC-4, fake "Dennis Teal" wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
>> > You've already bitten, you gullible prick.
>
>> You'll now when I bite, silly fake - you'll be butthurt for weeks.
>
> You are a scrawny old man who has failed at everything you've attempted. Give it your best, loser.
While you are an impostor troll, cowardly hiding behind identity theft and forged posts.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:29:42 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:09:26 PM UTC-4, fake "Dennis Teal" wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
>> > You've already bitten, you gullible prick.
>
>> You'll now when I bite, silly fake - you'll be butthurt for weeks.
>
> You are a scrawny old man who has failed at everything you've attempted. Give it your best, loser.
:)
Michael Pendragon
Jul 16, 2021, 10:48:12 PM7/16/21
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I'd merely proposed a reasonable alternative.
Michael Pendragon
INTERVIEWER: I suppose you don't just hold it?
WILL DOCKERY: No. I let it out just like everybody else does.
INTERVIEWER: How?
WILL DOCKERY: Well, to pee, you just go out back and pee.
INTERVIEWER: How about to poop?
WILL DOCKERY: For that, you dig a hole. Then you poop into the hole and cover it up.
Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 10:52:04 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon
Jul 16, 2021, 11:17:49 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon
“Incoherence is a matter of individual perspective.”
-- Will Dockery
W-Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 11:26:21 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:48:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:22:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > > D.T. Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:48:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:22:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > > In other words, why do you lie so much, Michael Pendragon?
>> > There's no need for false accusations, Will.
>> There's no need for your impostor troll friend to forge posts by D.T. either.
> Dennis Teal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > In other words, why do you lie so much, Michael Pendragon?
>> > There's no need for false accusations, Will.
>> There's no need for your impostor troll friend to forge posts by D.T. either.
You mean the identity thief forging D.T.
> and I are neither friends nor enemies xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I've known D.T. for three decades, and the posts here are forgery and identity thefts of his name and photo.
Michael Pendragon
Jul 16, 2021, 11:45:13 PM7/16/21
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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 11:26:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:48:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:22:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > D.T. Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
> >> > >
> >> > > In other words, why do you lie so much, Michael Pendragon?
> >> > There's no need for false accusations, Will.
> >> There's no need for your impostor troll friend to forge posts by D.T. either.
> > Dennis Teal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> You mean the identity thief forging D.T.
I mean Dennis Teal.
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:48:12 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:22:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > D.T. Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
> >> > >
> >> > > In other words, why do you lie so much, Michael Pendragon?
> >> > There's no need for false accusations, Will.
> >> There's no need for your impostor troll friend to forge posts by D.T. either.
> > Dennis Teal xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> You mean the identity thief forging D.T.
It's polite to address/refer others by the usernames.
Dennis has done nothing to offend me, so I shall address/refer to him accordingly.
> > and I are neither friends nor enemies xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> I've known D.T. for three decades, and the posts here are forgery and identity thefts of his name and photo.
Words matter. Learn how to use them correctly.
Michael Pendragon
“If the viewer doesn't read the language the film is in, that's why subtitles are provided.”
-- Will Dockery
Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 11:49:43 PM7/16/21
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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 11:45:13 PM UTC-4, Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > D.T. Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
>
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 10:52:04 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>
> > D.T. Was stalked by one of your impostor troll friends, had his identity and photograph stolen for forgery posts here.
>
> > I've known D.T. for three decades, and the posts here are forgery and identity thefts of his name and photo.
>
> Even if Dennis xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
That's not the real D.T.
You're supporting and defending forgeries and identity theft from an impostor troll.
Michael Pendragon
Jul 16, 2021, 11:54:21 PM7/16/21
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Michael Pendragon
"That was a typo, Corey, sorru."
-- Will Dockery
Will Dockery
Jul 16, 2021, 11:57:55 PM7/16/21
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:)
W.Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 1:33:25 PM7/17/21
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NancyGene wrote:
>
> We can hardly find the words to describe xxxxxxxxxxx
It was a Cento.
Glad to clear up your confusion, stalker troll.
:)
>
> We can hardly find the words to describe xxxxxxxxxxx
It was a Cento.
Glad to clear up your confusion, stalker troll.
:)
NancyGene
Jul 17, 2021, 5:10:46 PM7/17/21
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Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 17, 2021, 5:13:54 PM7/17/21
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NancyGene
Jul 17, 2021, 5:31:12 PM7/17/21
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Edward Rochester Esq.
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NancyGene
Jul 17, 2021, 6:00:05 PM7/17/21
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W.Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 6:03:18 PM7/17/21
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On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:10:46 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Saturday, July 17, 2021 at 5:33:25 PM UTC, Will Dockery wrote:
>> NancyGene wrote:
>
>>>> We can hardly find the words to describe xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>> It was a Cento.
>
>>> Glad to clear up your confusion, stalker troll.
>
>> To "set the record straight," George Dance wrote the thing more than 14 years ago and published it various places, including in his "book." He did not label it as a cento
George has discussed the poem here several times before, citing it as a Cento.
>> NancyGene wrote:
>
>>>> We can hardly find the words to describe xxxxxxxxxxx
>
>>> It was a Cento.
>
>>> Glad to clear up your confusion, stalker troll.
>
>> To "set the record straight," George Dance wrote the thing more than 14 years ago and published it various places, including in his "book." He did not label it as a cento
Agreed that he should label the poem as a Cento, and George Dance himself also agreed with this.
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 17, 2021, 6:07:26 PM7/17/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 6:15:56 PM7/17/21
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Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 17, 2021, 6:17:36 PM7/17/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 6:22:22 PM7/17/21
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George has agreed with this.
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 17, 2021, 6:23:54 PM7/17/21
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Will Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 6:28:00 PM7/17/21
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Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 17, 2021, 6:30:45 PM7/17/21
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But what do you care, you defended the Pickles also.
Go wash.
NancyGene
Jul 17, 2021, 6:34:06 PM7/17/21
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George J. Dance: "Back when I wrote it, 14 years ago, there was no need. Here's the only comment I got on first posting (and my reply)."
Will Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 6:35:54 PM7/17/21
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It was a Cento, a specific form of poetry.
Will Dockery
Jul 17, 2021, 8:06:56 PM7/17/21
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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 4:27:15 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:21:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:11:25 PM UTC-4, fake Dennis forged:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I suppose one would really need to know Pink Floyd to figure this out. I wonder why George did this? If he gave the some indication that this was an experimental piece heavily dependent on Pink Floyd lyrics, I'd accept it, but he didn't.
> > > > > > > > > On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 6:24 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Syd's Sunrise
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on,
> > > > > > > > > > > the gnomes are safely sleeping in their homes,
> > > > > > > > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7,
> > > > > > > > > > > & from the icy waters underground
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a scarlet eagle rises, showering gold
> > > > > > > > > > > on all. Floating down, the light resounds
> > > > > > > > > > > blindingly -- flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow
> > > > > > > > > > > -- & all the land is lime and limpid green.
> > > > > > > > > > > Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Change, return, success, going and coming,
> > > > > > > > > > > nothing can be destroyed once & for all:
> > > > > > > > > > > Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river,
> > > > > > > > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it
> > > > > > > > > would be received.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in.
> > > > > > > > > I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they
> > > > > > > > > were released 40 years ago.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > </q>
> > > > > > > > Fair enough, but label it as a Pink Floyd collage to avoid future confusion by fools like me who didn't listen to Pink Floyd.
> > > > > > > That's a reasonable request, and I think I can accommodate it. My reason for not doing so in the body of the poem was, as I explained to someone else trying a cento:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Like many first centos, you went for the phrases that resonated with you from the world of music. And you weaved them together well, on rereading.
> > > > > > > "The big problem with that is that your phrases resonated with a lot of people; they immediately thought of the Beatles, Bowie, and the rest; and that got in the way of actually thinking about the poem as a unified thing. And because it was a cento, there were so many of them, they became constant interruptions."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't want to build any such distraction into the poem. But it can't hurt to identify the piece, under the title, as "(a cento"). (I previously had to do that with the one "Martian poem" I wrote, and I don't think it distracts.) And I can also give Barrett and his lyrics credit separately - in a comment on the blog, and on the colophon page of the book. I'm planning to make some changes to D&od this year, and I can add that then as well).
> > >
> > > > > > Just add "a Cento using Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn"" in the title or as a note below the poem and I'm satisfied that credit is given. This has been a tempest in a teapot.
> > >
> > > > > Have you heard any Pink Floyd? Can not more adamantly recommend and implore that you listen to the music of this top notch band!!! Saw them in ‘94 and was absolutely floored and transported! One of the very greatest bands EVER!!! Both lyrically and musically… love all of their albums from “Piper at the gates of dawn” upto and including “Animals”…
> > >
> > > > What the fuck does that have to do with Dunce stealing lyrics and not crediting, claiming them his own until this very day?
> > >
> > > Jordy is running interference as he always does. He needs to stick to sucking dick and leave the rest to the grownups.
> > So the impostor troll is also a sleazy homophobe as well.
> >
> > No surprise, there.
>
> It was a surprise (but a welcome one) to hear that the "Dennis Teal" posts are also fakes. How did you come to learn that? Is the real Dennis Teal someone from your neck of the woods?
It also shows the malicious effect and intent of the identity thefts and forgeries by an impostor troll, as even George Dance was fooled by these dishonest stunts.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:21:21 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 2:11:25 PM UTC-4, fake Dennis forged:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > Wow, I suppose one would really need to know Pink Floyd to figure this out. I wonder why George did this? If he gave the some indication that this was an experimental piece heavily dependent on Pink Floyd lyrics, I'd accept it, but he didn't.
> > > > > > > > > Back when I wrote it, 14 years ago, there was no need. Here's the only comment I got on first posting (and my reply).
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > <q>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On May 22, 7:00 am, OB <nevilemo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On May 22, 6:24 am, George Dance <georgedanc...@yahoo.ca> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Syd's Sunrise
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on,
> > > > > > > > > > > the gnomes are safely sleeping in their homes,
> > > > > > > > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7,
> > > > > > > > > > > & from the icy waters underground
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > a scarlet eagle rises, showering gold
> > > > > > > > > > > on all. Floating down, the light resounds
> > > > > > > > > > > blindingly -- flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow
> > > > > > > > > > > -- & all the land is lime and limpid green.
> > > > > > > > > > > Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive.
> > > > > > > > > > > Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Change, return, success, going and coming,
> > > > > > > > > > > nothing can be destroyed once & for all:
> > > > > > > > > > > Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river,
> > > > > > > > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > A nice collage. Syd would have approved.-
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thank you. I had a lot of fun writing this, but I had no idea how it
> > > > > > > > > would be received.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I bought a copy of Piper two weeks ago, when my tax refund came in.
> > > > > > > > > I'd never heard any of these songs before. It's hard to believe they
> > > > > > > > > were released 40 years ago.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > </q>
> > > > > > > > Fair enough, but label it as a Pink Floyd collage to avoid future confusion by fools like me who didn't listen to Pink Floyd.
> > > > > > > That's a reasonable request, and I think I can accommodate it. My reason for not doing so in the body of the poem was, as I explained to someone else trying a cento:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Like many first centos, you went for the phrases that resonated with you from the world of music. And you weaved them together well, on rereading.
> > > > > > > "The big problem with that is that your phrases resonated with a lot of people; they immediately thought of the Beatles, Bowie, and the rest; and that got in the way of actually thinking about the poem as a unified thing. And because it was a cento, there were so many of them, they became constant interruptions."
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't want to build any such distraction into the poem. But it can't hurt to identify the piece, under the title, as "(a cento"). (I previously had to do that with the one "Martian poem" I wrote, and I don't think it distracts.) And I can also give Barrett and his lyrics credit separately - in a comment on the blog, and on the colophon page of the book. I'm planning to make some changes to D&od this year, and I can add that then as well).
> > >
> > > > > > Just add "a Cento using Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn"" in the title or as a note below the poem and I'm satisfied that credit is given. This has been a tempest in a teapot.
> > >
> > > > > Have you heard any Pink Floyd? Can not more adamantly recommend and implore that you listen to the music of this top notch band!!! Saw them in ‘94 and was absolutely floored and transported! One of the very greatest bands EVER!!! Both lyrically and musically… love all of their albums from “Piper at the gates of dawn” upto and including “Animals”…
> > >
> > > > What the fuck does that have to do with Dunce stealing lyrics and not crediting, claiming them his own until this very day?
> > >
> > > Jordy is running interference as he always does. He needs to stick to sucking dick and leave the rest to the grownups.
> > So the impostor troll is also a sleazy homophobe as well.
> >
> > No surprise, there.
>
> It was a surprise (but a welcome one) to hear that the "Dennis Teal" posts are also fakes. How did you come to learn that? Is the real Dennis Teal someone from your neck of the woods?
It also shows the malicious effect and intent of the identity thefts and forgeries by an impostor troll, as even George Dance was fooled by these dishonest stunts.
George J. Dance
Jul 18, 2021, 1:04:34 PM7/18/21
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George J. Dance
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George J. Dance
Jul 18, 2021, 1:05:33 PM7/18/21
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Zod
Jul 18, 2021, 6:05:54 PM7/18/21
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This is all so absurd...
George J. Dance
Jul 19, 2021, 11:47:07 AM7/19/21
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On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> This is all so absurd...
Reminds me of a Depeche Mode lyric:
> This is all so absurd...
"It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up;
But why should I give up when it all seems so stupid?"
Depeche Mode, Shame
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AXSkyTY9fg
NancyGene
Jul 19, 2021, 12:04:57 PM7/19/21
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On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:47:07 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > This is all so absurd...
> Reminds me of a Depeche Mode lyric:
>
> "It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up;
> But why should I give up when it all seems so stupid?"
>
George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
> On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > This is all so absurd...
> Reminds me of a Depeche Mode lyric:
>
> "It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up;
> But why should I give up when it all seems so stupid?"
>
Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times, it seems that you have a problem (lack of talent, inspiration, or just being lazy) with producing original work. All of the poems that you supposed wrote are now suspect.
Will Dockery
Jul 19, 2021, 2:00:56 PM7/19/21
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George J. Dance
Jul 21, 2021, 8:58:28 AM7/21/21
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On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > >
> > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> I suggest you ignore them.
I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
> A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
> NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > >
> > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> I suggest you ignore them.
I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
> A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
> NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 21, 2021, 9:38:52 AM7/21/21
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > >
> > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > I suggest you ignore them.
>
> I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
>
> > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
>
> I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
That's your prerogative. I still think providing sources is needed, and I'm not the only one.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > >
> > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > I suggest you ignore them.
>
> I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
>
> > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
>
> I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
https://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-poetry/
>
> > NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
>
> I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
NG has a fertile, if nasty, imagination. My imagination just doesn't seek out those dark corners, so it's novel and amusing to me. I'm more inclined to whimsy, mild slapstick and scatology.
> > NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
>
> I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
>
> NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
I disagree with you wrt GG as well.
> NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
J. Corey Connor
Jul 21, 2021, 9:42:40 AM7/21/21
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for, and how to appreciate your work in context of its inspiration. The
wit/half-wit joke is older than you are.
Karen Tellefsen
Jul 21, 2021, 10:14:55 AM7/21/21
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https://oddballmagazine.com/incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt
Will Dockery
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > >
> > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > I suggest you ignore them.
>
> I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
Yes, we are often told ignore the troll, don't feed the troll, and so on, but this new vsriant of troll keeps on going.
> On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > >
> > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > I suggest you ignore them.
>
> I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
George can't just look like other way while the trolls smear his name endlessly.
> > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
>
> I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
>
> > NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
>
> I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
>
> NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
Ash Wurthing
Jul 25, 2021, 5:44:29 AM7/25/21
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On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:31:40 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
> > > > >
> > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance presented as his own, then what song it is from and the original lyrics as written by Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd. Lines in quotation marks are the Pink Floyd lyrics
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > >
> > > > > At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
> > > > >
> > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
> > > > > “At night prowling sifting sand.”
> > > > >
> > > > > the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
> > > > >
> > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
> > > > > “It forms when darkness is increased by one.” – This makes no sense out of the context of the song.
> > > > >
> > > > > & from the icy waters underground – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Around the ice waters underground”
> > > > >
> > > > > a scarlet eagle rises, shining gold – from “Matilda Mother”
> > > > > “With silver eyes the scarlet eagle”
> > > > >
> > > > > on all. Floating down, the light resounds – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Floating down, the sound resounds”
> > > > >
> > > > > blindingly – flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Blinding signs flap,”
> > > > > “Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.”
> > > > >
> > > > > & all the land is lime and limpid green. – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Lime and limpid green, a second scene”
> > > > >
> > > > > Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive. – from “Flaming”
> > > > >
> > > > > Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew. – from “Flaming”
> > > > > “Watching buttercups cup the light”
> > > > > “Lazing in the foggy dew”
> > > > > “Sleeping on a dandelion”
> > > > >
> > > > > Change, return, success, going & coming, - from Chapter 24
> > > > > “Change returns success”
> > > > > “Going and coming without error.”
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing can be destroyed once & for all: - from Chapter 24
> > > > > “Things cannot be destroyed once and for all.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river – from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “Look at the sky, look at the river”
> > > > >
> > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea – partly from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “Winding, finding places to go”
> > > > >
> > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea. – the other part is from “Lucifer Sam”
> > > > > “Lucifer go to sea.”
EXHIBIT A
> On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:08:25 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 11:00:05 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 10:11:18 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 9:18:28 AM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > We can hardly find the words to describe the cheating and plagiarism, theft and rip-off that George Dance has performed on Pink Floyd's ""The Piper at the Gates of Dawn" (1967) album lyrics. We cannot use strong enough words to condemn this, that he presented this poem as his creation, his phrases, his thoughts. We are truly astounded and appalled.
> > > > >
> > > > > See below, with the lines that George Dance presented as his own, then what song it is from and the original lyrics as written by Syd Barrett and Pink Floyd. Lines in quotation marks are the Pink Floyd lyrics
> > > > >
> > > > > ----------
> > > > >
> > > > > At the Gates of Dawn – from “The Piper at the Gates of Dawn”
> > > > >
> > > > > Night prowls, scratches sand, & then pads on, - from “Lucifer Sam”
> > > > > “At night prowling sifting sand.”
> > > > >
> > > > > the gnomes are sleeping in their gnomish homes, - from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “And little gnomes stay in their homes.”
> > > > >
> > > > > when darkness is increased by 1, to 7 – from “Chapter 24”
> > > > > “It forms when darkness is increased by one.” – This makes no sense out of the context of the song.
> > > > >
> > > > > & from the icy waters underground – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Around the ice waters underground”
> > > > >
> > > > > a scarlet eagle rises, shining gold – from “Matilda Mother”
> > > > > “With silver eyes the scarlet eagle”
> > > > >
> > > > > on all. Floating down, the light resounds – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Floating down, the sound resounds”
> > > > >
> > > > > blindingly – flap flicker flicker / Blam pow pow – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Blinding signs flap,”
> > > > > “Flicker, flicker, flicker blam. Pow, pow.”
> > > > >
> > > > > & all the land is lime and limpid green. – from “Astronomy Domine”
> > > > > “Lime and limpid green, a second scene”
> > > > >
> > > > > Amidst the grass, dandelions thrive. – from “Flaming”
> > > > >
> > > > > Buttercups cup the light in the foggy dew. – from “Flaming”
> > > > > “Watching buttercups cup the light”
> > > > > “Lazing in the foggy dew”
> > > > > “Sleeping on a dandelion”
> > > > >
> > > > > Change, return, success, going & coming, - from Chapter 24
> > > > > “Change returns success”
> > > > > “Going and coming without error.”
> > > > >
> > > > > nothing can be destroyed once & for all: - from Chapter 24
> > > > > “Things cannot be destroyed once and for all.”
> > > > >
> > > > > Look at the sun, look at the sky, look at the river – from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “Look at the sky, look at the river”
> > > > >
> > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea – partly from “The Gnome”
> > > > > “Winding, finding places to go”
> > > > >
> > > > > lazily winding, finding its way to sea. – the other part is from “Lucifer Sam”
> > > > > “Lucifer go to sea.”
George J. Dance
Jul 25, 2021, 5:57:24 AM7/25/21
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On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 12:04:57 PM UTC-4, NancyGene wrote:
> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:47:07 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > This is all so absurd...
> > Reminds me of a Depeche Mode lyric:
> >
> > "It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up;
> > But why should I give up when it all seems so stupid?"
> >
> George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
>
> Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times
You certainly haven't 'demonstrated' that here, or anywhere else that I've seen. If you mean that "multiple" people have called me a plagiarist, that's true; but all that demonstrates is that people like you have a habit of calling other people plagiarists.
> On Monday, July 19, 2021 at 3:47:07 PM UTC, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Sunday, July 18, 2021 at 6:05:54 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > This is all so absurd...
> > Reminds me of a Depeche Mode lyric:
> >
> > "It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up;
> > But why should I give up when it all seems so stupid?"
> >
> George Dance, the rug at your home must be really lumpy with things that you have swept under there.
>
> Since your plagiarism has been demonstrated here multiple times
> , it seems that you have a problem (lack of talent, inspiration, or just being lazy) with producing original work.
> All of the poems that you supposed wrote are now suspect.
George J. Dance
Jul 25, 2021, 6:55:41 AM7/25/21
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You claimed that I "can be considered" a plagiarist because of that; that you weren't calling me a plagiarist yourself, but defending Jim's Gang of Vulcaneers doing it as fair comment; that they or anyone else can call someone a plagiarist if they "consider" him or her to be one. Which I told you was mealy-mouthed - plagiarism is a serious offense, too serious for people to just make up the rules for themselves.
I'm do not agree that you or the Vulcaneers can call whomever they want a plagiarist, whenever they want, when I'm not sure you even know what plagiarism means. I've offered you a definition - "attempting to pass someone else's work off as one's own" - but you haven't told me whether you agree with that or not (your only response being to lame me about some alleged "grammar errors."
If someone doesn't know what plagiarism is, they can of course wrongly decide that some other person is a plagiarist; that's an excusable error in judgement, and not a lie. But that does not excuse their going around calling that other person a plagiarist; as I've said, that's a serious charge that has to be supported, otherwise it's libel.
Michael Pendragon
Jul 25, 2021, 1:03:39 PM7/25/21
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Plagiarism is determined by the act itself.
When you posted your poem without having labeled it as a cento and/or crediting the original author, you committed an act of plagiarism.
I don't believe that you were trying to pass the work off as having been entirely your own. I think you felt that the title made it clear that the poem was a cento based on the lyrics of a Pink Floyd album.
But your intentions don't have any bearing on the act: you wrote, posted (and published) the poem without having identified it as a cento or having given proper attribution to the author.
And, as a result, both NancyGene and I were misled into believing that the poem had been a completely original work of yours.
You made a similar error several years ago, when you'd posted a Leonard Cohen poem without an attribution.
Again, I don't believe that you were trying to pass the poem off as your own work.
However, the result was still the same: you plagiarized Leonard Cohen.
I would not label you as a plagiarist, because I don't believe that you had intended to pass off either poem as an original work of yours. But that doesn't negate the fact that you have committed plagiarism twice within this group.
If Jim, NancyGene and Ash call you a plagiarist as a result, they are not doing so out of ignorance... or even due to "an excusable error in judgement." They are absolutely correct in their judgement, because you have plagiarized both Leonard Cohen and Pink Floyd/Syd Barrett.
I do, however, believe that they are doing so out of malice. But their motivations have no bearing on the facts.
I also believe that your attempts to justify your acts only make you appear more guilty than you actually are.
Your best defense is for you to simply state the truth: that while you'd inadvertently plagiarized both Cohen and Barrett, you had done so out of carelessness; not out of any misguided attempt to pass their works off as your own.
We all make mistakes. And we should all be mature enough to forgive the mistakes of others.
It's only when others refuse to admit to their mistakes (or, as in this case, attempt to justify their mistakes), that their mistakes cannot be excused. And this is only because one's failure to accept responsibility for their mistakes will only lead to their making the same mistakes again.
ME
Jul 25, 2021, 1:27:30 PM7/25/21
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Michael Pendragon
Jul 25, 2021, 1:44:36 PM7/25/21
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Karen Tellefsen
Jul 25, 2021, 2:12:41 PM7/25/21
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George J. Dance
Jul 29, 2021, 8:19:19 AM7/29/21
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W-Dockery
Jul 29, 2021, 8:37:19 AM7/29/21
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George J. Dance wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-4, Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
>> > > > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
>> > > > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
>> > > > I suggest you ignore them.
>> > >
>> > > I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
>> > >
>> > > > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided..
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-4, Karen Tellefsen wrote:
>> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
>> > > > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
>> > > > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
>> > > > I suggest you ignore them.
>> > >
>> > > I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
>
>> > That's your prerogative. I still think providing sources is needed, and I'm not the only one.
>> > https://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-poetry/
>> > >
>> > > > NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
>> > >
>> > > I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
>
>> > NG has a fertile, if nasty, imagination. My imagination just doesn't seek out those dark corners, so it's novel and amusing to me. I'm more inclined to whimsy, mild slapstick and scatology.
>> > >
>> > > NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
>
>> > I disagree with you wrt GG as well.
>
>> Between Paterson and centos, the coincidences keep piling up lately. Centos should reference sources.
>>
>> https://oddballmagazine.com/incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt
>
> Those aren't "centos", as they use complete poems. I believe the term is "cut-ups".
Which is why Senetto's isn't a Cento, since it simply copies my poem word for word.
>> > > I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
>
>> > That's your prerogative. I still think providing sources is needed, and I'm not the only one.
>> > https://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-poetry/
>> > >
>> > > > NG indulges in satirical hyperbole, often to humorous effect.
>> > >
>> > > I guess, if you enjoy, but that has little attraction for me..
>
>> > NG has a fertile, if nasty, imagination. My imagination just doesn't seek out those dark corners, so it's novel and amusing to me. I'm more inclined to whimsy, mild slapstick and scatology.
>> > >
>> > > NG reminds me of a dumbed-down Gary Gamble (whom we mentioned the other day). Like NG, he thought he was a wit. Like NG, he was half right.
>
>> > I disagree with you wrt GG as well.
>
>> Between Paterson and centos, the coincidences keep piling up lately. Centos should reference sources.
>>
>> https://oddballmagazine.com/incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=incentovise-34-armendinger-estella-sandoval-silberblatt
>
> Those aren't "centos", as they use complete poems. I believe the term is "cut-ups".
Edward Rochester Esq.
Jul 29, 2021, 8:53:58 AM7/29/21
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You wrote a story, I said to you, that would make a good poem, you agreed, I wrote it....your prose, my poem, including title.
Now if you want me to go through your junk and re-write everything you do, I could do that rather quickly, I'll cento your ass off or we can call this a day,
I cannot help your dry drunk approach to everything.
Story over.
George J. Dance
Jul 29, 2021, 10:39:48 AM7/29/21
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On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > > I suggest you ignore them.
> >
> > I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
> >
> > > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
> >
> > I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
> That's your prerogative. I still think providing sources is needed, and I'm not the only one.
> https://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-poetry/
That looks identical to the "Code of Best Practices in Fair Use for Poetry" on my wiki:
> On Wednesday, July 21, 2021 at 8:58:28 AM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:57:54 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, July 16, 2021 at 12:37:28 PM UTC-4, George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:25:59 PM UTC-4, ktell...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, July 15, 2021 at 3:07:22 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > Nancy Gene, you were fooled again by a forgery and identity theft, that post was written by an impostor troll, not Clay.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > To set the record straight, once again.
> > > > > He/she already knew this, she/he any phony Clay are trolling and you bit.
> > > > They're trolling me as well. I'm still wondering whether I should bite.
> > > I suggest you ignore them.
> >
> > I tried ignoring for a few days; didn't help.
> >
> > > A cento is fair use if a reference to the source(s) is/are provided.
> >
> > I'm sorry, Karen, but I disagree with that, and think it's a serious misstep in thinking about the issue. Crediting one's sources is 'fair' in the sense of 'nice' or 'good', but as a criterion for "fair use" strictly speaking (in the legal, and I'd say the moral, senses) it's a red herring. Whether a work is fair use or infringement depends on whether or not the usage was transformative; whether it resulted in a new work, with its own unique subject and theme, or in a mere repetition of the original.
> That's your prerogative. I still think providing sources is needed, and I'm not the only one.
> https://cmsimpact.org/code/code-best-practices-fair-use-poetry/
https://pennyspoetry.fandom.com/wiki/Fair_use_for_poetry
I agree that's a best practice. It's an even better practice if one takes text from a living author. Even where it's "artistically inappropriate" (as the sources put it) to list all the sources in with the poem, they can be credited somewhere else, something affixed or linked to the poem that the reader can access them.
I just objected to your conflating that with "fair use" - that's a legal term for using copyrighted material, and it's relevant here, since I clearly used copyrighted sources for my cento. It is, though a separate issue which has come up; as I understand it, NGBS (with or without help from "Pink Floyd's lawyers") is declaring it illegal, and combing through my ouevre to find more evidence of illegal activity. Which is the big difference between the issues: If I simply used a less than best practice, I can fix that by simply changing the poem; whereas, if I committed an illegal act, it remains illegal no matter what i do in the future; I'll be a thief forever.
As I told Will recently, it's like this: "You can write 100 poems, and not everyone will call you a poet. But suck just one dick ..."
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