Cry Havoc, by Ash Wurthing

[Ash Wurthing]

Gathered to watch our struggle- their favorite sport-
spectators, Divine and Infernal, dwelling inside us all.
Some well mannered, others the foul obnoxious sort.

Zealots echoed Intolerance's jeer, its battle call.
The field paved and ether was mobbed by their thralls.
Hatred hooted, hollered, "Let thy blows indiscriminate fall!"
Hot tempered Anger exhorted, "Burn what is thy enemy's!"
Strife condoned bloody foulness, "Lynch those thee abhor!"
And Havoc, rabid, roared, "Let loose the dogs of civil war!"

It is unknown what the other side cheered for.
For the raucous, riotous roars
drowned out what the Righteous may had deplored.

Ash Wurthing
A Fate Wrought Testament XV:8:36 (cry Havoc)
woven somewhere on the Web

Constructive comments will be seriously considered.

[W.Dockery]

Hello, Ash... I've read your poem a couple of times, and see a depiction both sides seem to see of the other.

I know this because I have friends on both sides.

[Zod]

Quite interesting turn of phrases...

[Ash Wurthing]

My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.

@Will Dockery
Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.

This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.

@Zod
Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.

I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.

Ash
----
I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )

[ME]

In other words, you’re just full of shit and have no other place to post it.
Good to know asswipe.
Unfortunately, this isn’t will donkery’s personal web site.
Maybe, he’ll con someone into starting one for him.
But this isn’t it.

[W.Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>>
>> @Will Dockery
>> Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>>
>> This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>>
>> @Zod
>> Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>>
>> I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>>
>> Ash
>> ----
>> I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
>

> In other words, you’re

Ash, meet "Me", our resident malicious stalker troll.

:)

[ME]

Yes, ashwipe, meet ME.
I’m the one who welcomes the pissbum’s new recruits here.
If he’s invited you here to view his poetry, you’ll be disappointed. There’s none here.
He’s invited you here to defend him. Good luck, because that’s a full time job.
Something will has never had.

[W.Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 21:12:03 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> ME wrote:
>>
>> > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>> >>
>> >> @Will Dockery
>> >> Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> >> evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>> >>
>> >> This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>> >>
>> >> @Zod
>> >> Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>> >>
>> >> I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>> >>
>> >> Ash
>> >> ----
>> >> I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
>> >
>>
>> > In other words, you’re
>
>> Ash, meet "Me", our resident malicious stalker troll.
>>

> Yes, ashwipe, meet ME.

Like I said, here's our resident malicious troll.

:)

[ME]

And ashwipe, you’ve met will, aapc’s resident pussy. He cries over anything and everything.

[Zod]

Hello Ash, and welcome to the group... and ignore the trolls, such as the one known as ME...

[Zod]

Well put, Doc...

And, again, welcome to the poetry group, Ash....

[W.Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>
> @Will Dockery
> Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
> evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>
> This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>
> @Zod

> Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening.. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.

>
> I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>
> Ash
> ----

> I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me.. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )

Good afternoon, Ash, and again, welcome to the poetry group.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 3:05:58 PM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:

> I see no evidence that Ash is a Dockery acolyte, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, so I think that your "welcome", with its gratuitous name calling, can be rightfully characterized as malicious. I hate it when Dockery is right.
>

Unfortunately, ME's attack will only serve to turn him into a Dockery ally.

At least until he comes to see the real Will.


Michael Pendragon
“Well, most kids from my era were getting it on by that age (13-14) or even earlier, myself included, but with each other, folks of a similar age… True, we do things somewhat differently down South.”
-- Will “Wendy Whiner” Dockery

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 3:05:58 PM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:

> I see no evidence that Ash is a Dockery acolyte, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, so I think that your "welcome", with its gratuitous name calling, can be rightfully characterized as malicious. I hate it when Dockery is right.

"Me" has admitted she doesn't even like poetry.

Her only purpose here is as a troll.

[Zod]

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 8:18:07 PM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:

THX to you Ash, I have reposted several ofmy poems for your reading, which you have missed, from the past...

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 4:34:13 PM UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:

> I'm afraid that you're probably correct, and I understand Me's intense loathing of all things Dockery, it's a passion that many of us share, but with the dwindling number of people posting anything resembling poetry here it seems a shame to try to drive someone out merely because of an interaction with Will. Perhaps you could provide a constructive critique of Ash's poem to balance out Will's boot licking and Me's brutality.
>

I usually let the first poems by a new member go by without a comment. Constructive critiques can be much more brutal than ME's attacks... and Ash's poem is hardly to my taste.

However, I'll give it a shot. Hopefully some of few grammatical errors I note may prove helpful:

First, the title: "Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war, /That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
/With carrion men, groaning for burial."

Here's a basic rule of thumb: if you're going to title your poem after a line from the Bard, your poem damn well better live up to its aspirations.

> Gathered to watch our struggle- their favorite sport-
> spectators, Divine and Infernal, dwelling inside us all.

The above is an example of an incomplete sentence, as it lacks a verb. Infernal and Divine spectators have gathered to watch a battle inside each of us. The verb, "have," is missing from Ash's rather convoluted passage. It is also poorly thought out: since the "sport" is taking place within nearly 7.6 billion individual heads, the angels and demons would not be gathered in any one of them -- rather, they would sparsely divided up among them.

> Some well mannered, others the foul obnoxious sort.

Again, the verb is missing. Some are well-mannered (note the hyphen), other are of the obnoxious sort. "Are" is the verb.

I am willing to grant you some slack, and assume that your poem is being written in the vernacular... however, I must question the necessity of pointing out that angels would be more polite than demons.

> Zealots echoed Intolerance's jeer, its battle call.

The metaphor is beginning to strain. Remember that a crowd of demons and angels has gathered in each of heads of every man, woman and child on the planet. Are the zealots meant to be the angels or the demons (there's a good argument for each case)? And if the zealots are echoing the personified "Intolerance," we must assume that both are rooting for the same team. There's a strong case to use "Intolerance" as a personification of both demons and angels as well.

If I'm following this correctly, the battle inside each of our heads begins with Intolerance jeering its (as yet unnamed) opponents, with the zealots following suit. I have to confess that my own head is having difficulty identifying.

> The field paved and ether was mobbed by their thralls.

Here is yet another incomplete sentence. I am not familiar enough with your writing to know whether you are doing this on purpose, or whether you never mastered the art of basic sentence structure. For now, I'll assume that it's the former, and suggest that you reconsider employing grammatical incompetence as a style.

That said, I have no idea what this passage is trying to say. The playing field (each of the nearly 7.6 billion minds) was paved? While playing fields may be paved, I would hate to apply the metaphor to one's mind. And where and/or what is the ether? Is it implying that there are empty spaces between the nearly 15.2 billion ears?

And what, pray tell, are their "thralls"? The slaves of zealots and Intolerance are mobbing the empty spaces over paved minds?

> Hatred hooted [and] hollered, "Let thy blows indiscriminate fall!"

So... angels, demons, zealots, Intolerance and Hatred are now among the spectators. There are also a butt-load of thralls mobbing the near-7.6 billion fields. Since the "sport" is taking place within each of the individual minds of humankind, I'm assuming that it's a battle with one's conscience... or a question of personal ethics. That's not much of a spectator sport -- and certainly not the of the sort to appeal to such a raucous and blood-thirsty crowd.

I have seen where you'd noted that your central metaphor was partly derived from Poe's "The Conqueror Worm." If you examine Poe's metaphor, you'll see that it is sustained throughout the poem. Angels gather in a theater to watch a tragedy, "Man." The play parodies the human experience, ending in the death of all involved. It's all very logically laid out -- each of the metaphors and symbols fit.

Your central metaphor, otoh, is careening wildly all over the place.

> Hot tempered Anger exhorted, "Burn what is thy enemy's!"

Anger must be extremely hot-tempered to have forgotten how to speak. He/she should have exhorted one to "Burn what is thine enemy's!"

> Strife condoned bloody foulness, "Lynch those thee abhor!"

Strife isn't condoning bloody foulness, but rather egging it on. Unfortunately, Strife's familiarity with pseudo-Shakespearian dialog is even more appalling than Anger's.

> And Havoc, rabid, roared, "Let loose the dogs of civil war!"

Wow. The climax of the poem turns out to be a bad parody of Shakespeare.

> It is unknown what the other side cheered for.

Let us be thankful for that.

> For the raucous, riotous roars
> drowned out what the Righteous may had deplored.

I'm a fan of allusion, but you'd already used "roared" just two lines before.

In your response to Will, you stated that the poem referred to rioting, burning of places of worship and so forth. Somehow you'd forgotten bring those into the actual poem (not that they would fit the central metaphor that this is all taking place within your/my/humanity's head).

The best advice I can give you is to remove the action from inside humanity's head/s.

If you're reacting to a specific event/set of events, clarify what these are. Have the angels and demons be watching a specific war or a specific riot. Point out that houses of worship are being attacked. Point out what other atrocities have taken place as well. War and unrest are not confined to humankind's heads -- don't confine your poem there.

I'm guessing that your reason for doing so was to make a point that war is a part of human nature -- or, possibly, that we have both a natural inclination toward, and a simultaneous aversion to, war. This idea would come across without the unwieldy head metaphor. The cheers and jeers of the angels and demons are a clichéd symbol of the human conscience. Trust me... we'll get it.


Michael Pendragon
“It will also wok well on says when it is too rainy or cold to walk at Edgewood Park, as I usually do.”

[W.Dockery]

Great to see you contributibg something positive to the poetry group for a change, Pendragon.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 11:20:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Great to see you contributibg something positive to the poetry group for a change, Pendragon.

Please die.


Michael Pendragon
“Calling it as I se it, as I live it, jackass...!
Typo corrected....”
-- George “Stink” Sulzbach, career pissbum

[Hieronymous Corey]

That reminds me, I need to make a trip to the county dump.

[ME]

On Monday, 14 December 2020 at 15:05:58 UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:

> I see no evidence that Ash is a Dockery acolyte, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, so I think that your "welcome", with its gratuitous name calling, can be rightfully characterized as malicious. I hate it when Dockery is right.

Y’all have no idea what malicious is then.
Ashwu hasn’t responded, so I was probably correct in my assumption.
As far as name calling, I attempted to write ashwipe, but it didn’t turn out that way.
If he ad really been following the poetry here, why did he wait so long to chime in?
Sorry if I offended you, Burrows.

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 11:20:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>
>> Great to see you contributibg something positive to the poetry group for a change, Pendragon.

> Please die.

No thanks.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

It doesn't matter whether Will invited him or not.

Will responded to his poem, so Ash thanked him. That's just standard procedure for Usenet groups.

I doubt that many people come to this group with a pre-existing hatred of all things Dockery -- that usually only develops over time.

FYI -- I plan on advertising for submissions to this group, so if any new members appear over the course of the next few months, they'll be here on my invitation -- not Will's.

[ME]

I wish you luck on that endeavor, Michael.
This is almost will’s personal blog now.
Aapc is just about officially dead.
I guess pissbum’s rule.

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

>> > > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>> > > >
>> > > > @Will Dockery
>> > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>> > > >
>> > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>> > > >
>> > > > @Zod
>> > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>> > > >
>> > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>> > > >
>> > > > Ash
>> > > > ----
>> > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )

<snip>

> FYI -- I plan on advertising for submissions to this group, so if any new members appear over the course of the next few months, they'll be here on my invitation -- not Will's.
>
> Michael Pendragon

Excellent idea.

[Michael Pendragon]

Fuck off, pissbum.


Michael Pendragon
“Since Zod has no bills living in a teet, being able to afford it is irrelevant.”

[Michael Pendragon]

This was Will's personal blog when I first came here... after he'd driven the original members away.

The only way we can keep it from being Will's blog, is for everyone to continue posting & discussing poetry here -- in spite of him and his sock.


Michael Pendragon
“You are an obvious homophone spewing hate speech....”
-- George “Stink” Sulzbach, Dharma Pissbum, esq.

[ME]

So will drove away the original poets here.
That’s good to know.

[W.Dockery]

You first, lying troll.

:)

[Hieronymous Corey]

He doesn’t have to drive anyone away.
He just sucks the oxygen out of the room.

[W.Dockery]

Wrong, Pendragon.

There were never many poets here at any time, and when you arrived here there were quite a few original poets still here.

Corey and George Dance were here, as well as PJR and Cujo, all old timers here, to name four.

Richard and Matthew were still here, and both had been here for years.

So, no, this was never my personal blog, and never has been.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

Apologies, losses are still mounting here.

@Pendragon.
This is good to see and quite thorough-- I'll have plenty to consider. I appreciate it.

Yes the first line is convoluted and been I have been regarding it critically ever since I wrote it.

[W.Dockery]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:54:07 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:

> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 14:07:03 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail..com wrote:
>
>>> > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > @Will Dockery
>>> > > > > > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>>> > > > > > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > @Zod
>>> > > > > > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>>> > > > > > > >
>>> > > > > > > > Ash
>>> > > > > > > > ----
>>> > > > > > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )

> <snip>

> So will drove away the original poets here.
> That’s good to know.

It is also false information, since many of the original posters are still here.

Pastor Corey, George Dance, Dink, PJR and Cujo have been posting here for over a decade.

You and your fellow thug trolls have driven quite a few poets away, though, "Me", such as Karen, Antti, Rachel, Vinyl Cat and Philo.

:)

[ME]

I didn’t drive away anyone.
This is Usenet, remember dimwit.
They chose not to post here anymore.

[W.Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 18:58:04 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:54:07 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 14:07:03 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail..com wrote:
>> >
>> >>> > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > @Will Dockery
>> >>> > > > > > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> >>> > > > > > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>> >>> > > > > > > >

>> >>> > > > > > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged.. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.

>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > @Zod
>> >>> > > > > > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > Ash
>> >>> > > > > > > > ----
>> >>> > > > > > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. :
>

>> > <snip>
>
>> > So will drove away the original poets here.
>> > That’s good to know.
>
>> It is also false information, since many of the original posters are still here.
>>
>> Pastor Corey, George Dance, Dink, PJR and Cujo have been posting here for over a decade.
>>
>> You and your fellow thug trolls have driven quite a few poets away, though, "Me", such as Karen, Antti, Rachel, Vinyl Cat and Philo.
>>

> I didn’t drive away anyone.
> This is Usenet, remember dimwit.
> They chose not to post here anymore.

So, now you agree that I didn't drive away any poets?

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

Too many comrades and family for a bloodied economy. Can't say I'll miss it but I'll be freed of it finally.

I've watched for some time so I wasn't surprised by what followed. I keep my own counsel. If I understand the FAQ correctly, there shouldn't be any reasons for anyone to have to be defending someone-- wistful idealism?

No one figures in my existence so I'm no one's anything. All I will be is respectful to anyone unless by their behavior they obviously don't want respect.

And I lived a life of hatred, wasted a lifetime fighting it and want no part of it or its shadow online. Others' fights are not mine, I prefer to conserve the fuel of my flamethrower for what will surely be for my own defense-- there's usually no being left out of the strife.

@Zod
Most excellent. As said, there has been a decline in poetry being submitted and _discussed_, which is mournful to see.

Ash
----
AFWT XV:3:11
Who rules
this mortal stage
and the ceaseless chase of days?
The strive and struggle,
the fool's fracas and fray?

Who's fooling who?
Over the castigated and cowed
the mob rules.

[Zod]

Well put, I thank you, and welcome to the group, Ash....

[W.Dockery]

Hieronymous Corey wrote:

>
>> On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail..com wrote:
>
>> > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > @Will Dockery
>> > > > > > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> > > > > > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > @Zod
>> > > > > > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Ash
>> > > > > > > > ----
>> > > > > > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
>

<snip>

>
> He doesn’t have to drive anyone away.
> He just sucks the oxygen out of the room.

As if your poems about farts and weed have readers flocking to your posts, Pastor Corey.

:)

[Hieronymous Corey]

Do you know someone who sucks the oxygen out of the room?
https://www.joyceweiss.com/2018/05/08/do-you-know-someone-who-sucks-the-oxygen-out-of-the-room/

[W.Dockery]

You can't put your opinion in your own words?

What happened with all your bitter complaints about link posting?

:)

[ME]

Ashwu, if you’ve been reading aapc for awhile, you’ve notice several who write and post new poetry almost daily here. Too bad you didn’t show up before will and zod had driven Jim away.
But you’ll understand that opinions of the majority here soon enough.

[W.Dockery]

Make up your mind.

A couple of posts ago you were saying that people weren't driven away, that they left on their own.

:)

[W.Dockery]

ME wrote:

> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 18:58:04 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 2:54:07 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 14:07:03 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail..com wrote:
>> >
>> >>> > > > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > @Will Dockery
>> >>> > > > > > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
>> >>> > > > > > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
>> >>> > > > > > > >

>> >>> > > > > > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged.. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.

>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > @Zod
>> >>> > > > > > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
>> >>> > > > > > > >
>> >>> > > > > > > > Ash
>> >>> > > > > > > > ----
>> >>> > > > > > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
>
>> > <snip>
>

>> It is also false information, since many of the original posters are still here.
>>
>> Pastor Corey, George Dance, Dink, PJR and Cujo have been posting here for over a decade.
>>
>> You and your fellow thug trolls have driven quite a few poets away, though, "Me", such as Karen, Antti, Rachel, Vinyl Cat and Philo.
>>

> I didn’t drive away anyone.
> This is Usenet, remember dimwit.
> They chose not to post here anymore.

So, Jim was not driven away, he simply chose not to post here any more, right?

:)

[Hieronymous Corey]

Good morning. I noticed your post.

[Hieronymous Corey]

[Hieronymous Corey]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 2:42:38 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> Gathered to watch our struggle- their favorite sport-
> spectators, Divine and Infernal, dwelling inside us all.
> Some well mannered, others the foul obnoxious sort.
>
> Zealots echoed Intolerance's jeer, its battle call.
> The field paved and ether was mobbed by their thralls.
> Hatred hooted, hollered, "Let thy blows indiscriminate fall!"
> Hot tempered Anger exhorted, "Burn what is thy enemy's!"
> Strife condoned bloody foulness, "Lynch those thee abhor!"
> And Havoc, rabid, roared, "Let loose the dogs of civil war!"
>
> It is unknown what the other side cheered for.
> For the raucous, riotous roars
> drowned out what the Righteous may had deplored.
>
> Ash Wurthing
> A Fate Wrought Testament XV:8:36 (cry Havoc)
> woven somewhere on the Web
>
> Constructive comments will be seriously considered.

Good morning. I noticed your post.

The last two sentences don’t work at all.
It's not an error to end a sentence with a
preposition in informal correspondence,
but it should be avoided in ‘formal’ writing,
and “may had deplored” in the final line is
grammatically incorrect. Thanks for posting.

[W.Dockery]

Good afternoon, Corey.

:)

[Zod]

By ME's own logic, yes....

[Zod]

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 6:25:00 PM UTC-8, ME wrote:

> On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 21:12:03 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > ME wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
> > >>
> > >> @Will Dockery
> > >> Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
> > >> evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
> > >>

> > >> This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.

> > >>
> > >> @Zod
> > >> Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
> > >>
> > >> I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
> > >>
> > >> Ash
> > >> ----
> > >> I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
> > >
> >

> > > In other words, you’re

> > Ash, meet "Me", our resident malicious stalker troll.
> >
> Yes, ashwipe, meet ME.
> I’m the one who welcomes xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

You are the stalker troll who admits to not even liking poetry... it is in the archives...

[W.Dockery]

That about says it all about you, stalker troll.

:)

[Zod]

How could you miss it...?

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 9:47:59 AM UTC-5, Hieronymous Corey wrote:
>
> That reminds me, I need to make a trip to the county dump.

Must inspire a lot of your poetry.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

Enough already-- not just to any particular person but everyone. Pendragon touched on the issue but didn't take it far enough. No one (ie new members) in their right mind would stay when their submission threads are being hijacked by rancor. It is hard to find any commentary (if any) amidst all the in-fighting posts.

And the alleged wronged parties are not just insulting people without cause but trying to drag them into the fighting by accusing them of being involved-- hardly looking "wronged" to those they attack. Most people would not be too thrilled to be dragged into others' fights. And people don't take kindly to people warping their name especially when it comes across as disrespectful and everyone else was able to see what they wanted to referred to as. Like with Pendragon, part of his name he signs his posts with, and no way can be considered disrespectful to his name. If he minds that I'm using his "last name" all he has to do is say something and out of common courtesy I will call him what he wants to be called (no jokes on that-- trying to be serious here : ) ).

All of those things are flat out disrespectful and if you try to tell me that is the Usenet norm-- well then I will tell you to enjoy what you created. There's greener pastures than this blighted place. And I believe some here would revel in the demise of this Group.

All that the spoofing of people's posting names will serve is that no one will be able to trust anything anyone or side says. You can tell me I have no right or place to say any of this, but it doesn't change the fact that those who do "belong" or have the right to speak have so much more to lose-- many consider this a home and why they're fighting so bitterly for it.

[Zod]

Yes, the trolling is rampant here, and identity theft with forgery just takes it to a pretty much criminal level...

[Ash Wurthing]

CORRECTION: rjbur @gmail.com touched on the subject (not Pendragon).
rjbur @gmail.com? I assume that is Burrow?

[W.Dockery]

Ash Wurthing wrote:
>
> CORRECTION: rjbur @gmail.com touched on the subject (not Pendragon).
> rjbur @gmail.com? I assume that is Burrow?

Yes, that was Robert Burrrows responding to the poster named "Me".

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, December 12, 2020 at 10:18:10 PM UTC-5, Zod wrote:

> On Friday, December 11, 2020 at 11:42:38 PM UTC-8, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Gathered to watch our struggle- their favorite sport-
> > spectators, Divine and Infernal, dwelling inside us all.
> > Some well mannered, others the foul obnoxious sort.
> >
> > Zealots echoed Intolerance's jeer, its battle call.
> > The field paved and ether was mobbed by their thralls.
> > Hatred hooted, hollered, "Let thy blows indiscriminate fall!"
> > Hot tempered Anger exhorted, "Burn what is thy enemy's!"
> > Strife condoned bloody foulness, "Lynch those thee abhor!"
> > And Havoc, rabid, roared, "Let loose the dogs of civil war!"
> >
> > It is unknown what the other side cheered for.
> > For the raucous, riotous roars
> > drowned out what the Righteous may had deplored.
> >
> > Ash Wurthing
> > A Fate Wrought Testament XV:8:36 (cry Havoc)
> > woven somewhere on the Web
> >
> > Constructive comments will be seriously considered.

> Quite interesting turn of phrases...

Agreed.

[Ash Wurthing]

@Hieronymous Corey

I missed your comment amidst all the bickering. Your points have been considered and appreciated.

Ash

[Hieronymous Corey]

I figured that’s what happened. Thanks for checking in.

[Zod]

On Wednesday, December 16, 2020 at 6:59:20 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> > Gathered to watch our struggle- their favorite sport-
>> > spectators, Divine and Infernal, dwelling inside us all.
>> > Some well mannered, others the foul obnoxious sort.
>> >
>> > Zealots echoed Intolerance's jeer, its battle call.
>> > The field paved and ether was mobbed by their thralls.
>> > Hatred hooted, hollered, "Let thy blows indiscriminate fall!"
>> > Hot tempered Anger exhorted, "Burn what is thy enemy's!"
>> > Strife condoned bloody foulness, "Lynch those thee abhor!"
>> > And Havoc, rabid, roared, "Let loose the dogs of civil war!"
>> >
>> > It is unknown what the other side cheered for.
>> > For the raucous, riotous roars
>> > drowned out what the Righteous may had deplored.
>> >
>> > Ash Wurthing
>> > A Fate Wrought Testament XV:8:36 (cry Havoc)
>> > woven somewhere on the Web
>> >
>> > Constructive comments will be seriously considered.

I am looking forward to more poetry from you, Ash...

[Ash Wurthing]

> I am looking forward to more poetry from you, Ash...

Unfortunately I only had 2 pieces I had planned on posting-- the rest will last as my testament and don't really need anyone's commentary.

Ash

[Zod]

Who knows, perhaps the Muse will return to you, it does work in mysterious ways, after all...

[Zod]

The trolls do run rampant here...

[Michael Pendragon]

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:05:12 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:

We'll be starting up a revamped/renamed Sunday Sampler again in January, Ash.

The idea is for everyone to submit one or two poems on a chosen topic each month. (That's newly written poems, not old stuff from your notebook.)

The best poems (editors' choice) get published in a print version once a year (possibly more often depending on the number of submissions we receive).

Anyway, the bottom line is that AAPC is (or, will become) more and more of a *writing* group over the course of the next year. Most of us will be writing, posting, and discussing, new poetry every month. IOW: If you decide to stick around, you might end up with a dozen or two more poems in your portfolio.


Michael Pendragon
“There you bare being baing lying, dishonest post editor Peter....”
-- George "Stink" Sulzbach, career pissbum

[Zod]

On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 9:46:24 PM UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, December 21, 2020 at 12:05:12 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I am looking forward to more poetry from you, Ash...
>
> > Unfortunately I only had 2 pieces I had planned on posting-- the rest will last as my testament and don't really need anyone's commentary.
> >
> > Ash
>
> We'll be starting up a revamped/renamed Sunday Sampler again in January, Ash.
>
> The idea is for everyone to submit one or two poems on a chosen topic each month. (That's newly written poems, not old stuff from your notebook.)
>
> The best poems (editors' choice) get published in a print version once a year (possibly more often depending on the number of submissions we receive).
>
> Anyway, the bottom line is that AAPC is (or, will become) more and more of a *writing* group over the course of the next year. Most of us will be writing, posting, and discussing, new poetry every month. IOW: If you decide to stick around, you might end up with a dozen or two more poems in your portfolio.

That should be a better project now that Senile Senetto has left the building...

[Zod]

Good points, well put...

[Ash Wurthing]

@Zod

I have been deceived
given someone else's dream.
There's no reprieve
from their hollow dream.
What they believe.
What I'm told to dream.

My muse hasn't left me. But if I were ever to be accepted and successful, then I'm sure Our Bereft Lady of Misfortune will quit speaking to me...

Ash Wurthing

[W.Dockery]

Yes, the fickle Muse.

:)

[Zod]

I do know that scene well...

[Ash Wurthing]

@Pendragon
Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.

I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.

[Michael Pendragon]

Thanks, Ash.

The print issue is actually a "best of" from the "Sunday Sampler" threads that Jim (Edward Rochester) started here. Over the past year, we've all been writing poems on demand (on a weekly basis) for the Sampler.

I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.

The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod," who have recently succeeded in driving Mr. Rochester out of the group. Once you stop clicking on "Stink" posts (anything made by "General Zod"), the atmosphere improves considerably.

Michael Pendragon
PJR: Do you ever read the posts to which you reply?
WILL DOCKERY: Okay, good point.

[W.Dockery]

I don't usually go for poetry On demand either, but tried it over the last year for a specific purpose, using the prompts for poems to fill in the chronological gaps in my "Shadowville Mythos", fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry.

Using the weekly prompts I wrote over twenty poems in 2020, some of them even turned out pretty good.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

You flatter yourself too much.


Michael Pendragon
“Since Zod has lived in his own tent (a piece of discarded tarp hung over a tree branch) for a couple of years now, technically he isn't homeless.
-- Will “Wendy Whiner” Dockery

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >
>> > @Pendragon
>> > Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>> >
>> > I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.
>> I don't usually go for poetry On demand either, but tried it over the last year for a specific purpose, using the prompts for poems to fill in the chronological gaps in my "Shadowville Mythos", fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry.
>>
>> Using the weekly prompts I wrote over twenty poems in 2020, some of them even turned out pretty good.
>
> You flatter yourself too much.

No, just giving my perspective.


> Michael Pendragon
> “Since Zod has lived in his own tent for a couple of years now, technically he isn't homeless.

This statement is true, in my opinion.

[ME]

I agree, Michael.
What exactly is fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry?

[W.Dockery]

ME wrote:
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > >
>> > > @Pendragon
>> > > Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>> > >
>> > > I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.
>> > I don't usually go for poetry On demand either, but tried it over the last year for a specific purpose, using the prompts for poems to fill in the chronological gaps in my "Shadowville Mythos", fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry.
>> >
>> > Using the weekly prompts I wrote over twenty poems in 2020, some of them even turned out pretty good.
>
>

> What exactly is fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry?

A type of poetry.

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @Pendragon
>> Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>>
>> I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.

>

> I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.

For once we agree, the prompts were a great way to create poetry for my "Shadowville Mythos" project, although I almost never usually go for such "write on demand" games.

> The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod,"

Actually, all Pendragon and his thugs need to do is simply skip and ignore my posts, and Zod's posts... I'm sure you have seen the type of scum he encourages and defends, forgers, impostor trolls, outright identity theft, and the trolling of non-poets such as "Me" and Fish Police.

[Zod]

Happy holidays, Ash...

[Michael Pendragon]

It's Will Donkey prattling incoherently on the drugs he did and the skank hos he banged back in the day.


Michael Pendragon
"I would posit 13/14 as being an area where rational consent is possible, but anything younger while possible, is not advisable."
-- The late, unlamented Stephen “Pickles” Pickering [attempting to justify Ginsberg’s having had sex with 14-year old boys]

[Michael Pendragon]

Your posts bury all the actual poetry, and poetry-related conversations, in meaningless, sub-moronic word sludge.

Michael Pendragon
"A favorite movie.... I read it like a comic book....."

[W.Dockery]

Your typical biased bullshitting, Pendragon.

I've posted dozens of poems here in 2020, while your friends "Me" and Fish Police don't even write poetry at all.

:)

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 3:27:27 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
>> On Thursday, 24 December 2020 at 14:55:53 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 2:50:06 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > @Pendragon
>> > > > Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>> > > >

>> > > > I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself.. I don't stay anywhere for very long.

>> > > I don't usually go for poetry On demand either, but tried it over the last year for a specific purpose, using the prompts for poems to fill in the chronological gaps in my "Shadowville Mythos", fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry.
>> > >
>> > > Using the weekly prompts I wrote over twenty poems in 2020, some of them even turned out pretty good.
>> > You flatter yourself too much.
>> >
>> >
>> > Michael Pendragon

>> > “Since Zod has lived in his own tent for a couple of years now, technically he isn't homeless.

>
>> I agree, Michael.
>> What exactly is fictionalized autobiographical and confessional style poetry?

> It's Will Donkey prattling incoherently on the drugs he did and the skank hos he banged back in the day.


> Michael Pendragon

So you're not a fan of my poetry, I can live with that, since I'm not impressed by your poetry either, Pendragon.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

Stop lying, Will.

ME 's poetry will be reprinted in the "Best Of" edition of the "Sunday Sampler".

You did read the other poems in the "Sampler," didn't you?

Michael Pendragon
"His trash will be composted."

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 10:14:05 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 4:42:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> @Pendragon
>> >> >> Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>> >> >>

>> >> >> I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself.. I don't stay anywhere for very long.

>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.
>> >> For once we agree, the prompts were a great way to create poetry for my "Shadowville Mythos" project, although I almost never usually go for such "write on demand" games.
>> >> > The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod,"
>> >> Actually, all Pendragon and his thugs need to do is simply skip and ignore my posts, and Zod's posts... I'm sure you have seen the type of scum he encourages and defends, forgers, impostor trolls, outright identity theft, and the trolling of non-poets such as "Me" and Fish Police.
>> >>
>>
>> > Your posts bury all the actual poetry, and poetry-related conversations, in meaningless, sub-moronic word sludge.
>>
>> > Michael Pendragon
>> Your typical biased bullshitting, Pendragon.
>>
>> I've posted dozens of poems here in 2020, while your friends "Me" and Fish Police don't even write poetry at all.

> Stop lying

Depends on how you define poetry, I reckon.

:)

[Michael Pendragon]

On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 1:34:04 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 4:42:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> @Pendragon
> >> >> Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.
> >> For once we agree, the prompts were a great way to create poetry for my "Shadowville Mythos" project, although I almost never usually go for such "write on demand" games.
> >> > The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod,"
> >> Actually, all Pendragon and his thugs need to do is simply skip and ignore my posts, and Zod's posts... I'm sure you have seen the type of scum he encourages and defends, forgers, impostor trolls, outright identity theft, and the trolling of non-poets such as "Me" and Fish Police.
> >>
>
> > Your posts bury all the actual poetry

> The majority of my posts, love it or hate it, ate posts of my poetry.

You sure it wasn't your friends and family, again?


Michael Pendragon
"Friends and family ate the best folks I know, Pendragon.”

[W.Dockery]

Thanks again for the heads up, Pendragon, that was a typo... it should have been "are".

:)

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 4:42:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> @Pendragon
>>> >> Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>>> >>
>>> >> I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself. I don't stay anywhere for very long.
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.
>
>>> For once we agree, the prompts were a great way to create poetry for my "Shadowville Mythos" project, although I almost never usually go for such "write on demand" games.
>
>>> The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod,"
>
>> Actually, all Pendragon and his thugs need to do is simply skip and ignore my posts, and Zod's posts... I'm sure you have seen the type of scum he encourages and defends, forgers, impostor trolls, outright identity theft, and the trolling of non-poets such as "Me" and Fish Police.
>

> Your posts bury all the actual poetry

The majority of my posts, love it or hate it, are posts of my poetry, Pendragon.

;)

[W.Dockery]

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Friday, December 25, 2020 at 14:42:04 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> >> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, December 24, 2020 at 7:39:04 AM UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> @Pendragon
>> >> >> Your project sounds good and hopefully it will bring people together and evoke some poetry, though I'm kind of skeptical with this poisoned environment. Best of luck with it and you have a good point that it will help build people's portfolios.
>> >> >>

>> >> >> I'm terrible at writing on demand so I won't attempt to fool myself.. I don't stay anywhere for very long.

>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I've always shied away from writing poetry on demand -- and didn't start contributing any poetry to the Sampler until May. The past six months have since proven to be one of the most productive periods (in terms of poetry composition) of my life -- *because* I forced myself to write one or two poems on demand each week.
>
>> >> For once we agree, the prompts were a great way to create poetry for my "Shadowville Mythos" project, although I almost never usually go for such "write on demand" games.
>
>> >> > The environment here has always been something of a battleground -- that can be one of the pluses of an unmoderated Usenet group. The current animosity is entirely due to two individuals: Will Dockery and his sock puppet, "General Zod,"
>
>> >> Actually, all Pendragon and his thugs need to do is simply skip and ignore my posts, and Zod's posts... I'm sure you have seen the type of scum he encourages and defends, forgers, impostor trolls, outright identity theft, and the trolling of non-poets such as "Me" and Fish Police.
>> >>
>>
>> > Your posts bury all the actual poetry

>> The majority of my posts, love it or hate it, are posts of my poetry.

> You sure it wasn't your friends and family, again?


> Michael Pendragon

> "Friends and family are the best folks I know, Pendragon.”

Finest kind, as Hawkeye Pierce would say.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

Apologies

I don't frequent places daily. I visit briefly, go back to my existence to mull upon it and eventually return. I blame it on that old addiction to need to interact-- just need further cruel therapy to help me kick that habit.

@Pendragon

You have given me much to consider and respond to.

@Zod

TY. A good holiday to you as well. Even though the holiday doesn't mean anything to me (not because of any religious reasons but cruelty) I don't begrudge anyone for it or take out my grievances about it on anyone.

[Will Dockery]

Great to have you on the group either way, Ash.

:)

[Ash Wurthing]

> Great to have you on the group either way, Ash.

TY. I still have to post my second piece for review. Both were originally just statements in a controversy but I was curious to see what ppl would think of them as poems.

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, December 26, 2020 at 12:56:03 AM UTC-6, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Great to have you on the group either way, Ash.
>
> TY. I still have to post my second piece for review. Both were originally just statements in a controversy but I was curious to see what ppl would think of them as poems.

Great, looking forward to that, Ash.

:)

[Will Dockery]

On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 10:13:04 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 21:40:06 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > ME wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 21:12:03 UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> ME wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> @Will Dockery
> > >> >> Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
> > >> >> evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> @Zod
> > >> >> Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Ash
> > >> >> ----
> > >> >> I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> > In other words, you’re
> > >
> > >> Ash, meet "Me", our resident malicious stalker troll.
> > >>
> >
> > > Yes, ashwipe, meet ME.
> > Like I said, here's our resident malicious troll.
> >
> And ashwipe, you’ve met will, aapc’s resident pussy. He cries over anything and everything.

Yet you are the one whining.

:)

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 1:17:53 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> On Tuesday, 15 December 2020 at 12:50:35 UTC-5, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, December 15, 2020 at 11:34:38 AM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > On Monday, 14 December 2020 at 15:05:58 UTC-5, rjbur...@gmail.com wrote:

> > > > On Sunday, December 13, 2020 at 9:04:11 PM UTC-5, ME wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, 13 December 2020 at 20:18:07 UTC-5, ashwu...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > My apologies for the delay in responding. Besides the primary desire to create for myself-- any "fix" I chase is the anticipation of reception rather than the actual reception. I write something and then move onto to next piece and the thrill of possible reception. Here, I wasn't disappointed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Will Dockery
> > > > > > Thank you. It is good to see that you saw that it also plays on perceptions. I used highly charged language to try to
> > > > > > evoke a vision of blind chaos and multiple views of conflict. Like "Burn what is thy enemy's!" wasn't just in reference to rioting as first reaction would be, but to arson of places of worship also.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This and its companion piece were originally posted in public discussions of a local political dispute starting to turn ugly. I warned that the words may offend or vindicate but they were also double edged. I should post the companion piece since they're both in the "wild" now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > @Zod
> > > > > > Thank you. I'm often inspired by phrases and concepts from phrases from the writings and poetry I enjoy-- in this case, inspiration came from Shakespeare's cry havoc phrase with an echo of Poe's Conqueror Worm in the opening. Phrases often figure strongly in what I write.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've enjoyed the poetry here for some time but never commented cause I read with abandon, disregarding form and fashion -- as long as it gave some provocation or inspiration of thought or feeing-- so I really couldn't comment in a way expected.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ash
> > > > > > ----
> > > > > > I write for myself so I can fool myself I'm a writer-- with one reader-- me. Maybe three if you also counted my inner demons Myself and I. : )
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > In other words, you’re just full of shit and have no other place to post it.
> > > > > Good to know asswipe.
> > > > > Unfortunately, this isn’t will donkery’s personal web site.
> > > > > Maybe, he’ll con someone into starting one for him.
> > > > > But this isn’t it.
> > > > I see no evidence that Ash is a Dockery acolyte, and I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, so I think that your "welcome", with its gratuitous name calling, can be rightfully characterized as malicious. I hate it when Dockery is right.
> > > Y’all have no idea what malicious is then.
> > > Ashwu hasn’t responded, so I was probably correct in my assumption.
> > > As far as name calling, I attempted to write ashwipe, but it didn’t turn out that way.
> > > If he ad really been following the poetry here, why did he wait so long to chime in?
> > > Sorry if I offended you, Burrows.
> > It doesn't matter whether Will invited him or not.
> >
> > Will responded to his poem, so Ash thanked him. That's just standard procedure for Usenet groups.
> >
> > I doubt that many people come to this group with a pre-existing hatred of all things Dockery -- that usually only develops over time.
> >
> > FYI -- I plan on advertising for submissions to this group, so if any new members appear over the course of the next few months, they'll be here on my invitation -- not Will's.
> > Michael Pendragon
> > “Calling it as I se it, as I live it, jackass...!
> > Typo corrected....”

> > -- George “Stink” Sulzbach, career pissbum

> I wish you luck on that endeavor, Michael.
> This is almost will’s personal blog now.
> Aapc is just about officially dead.
> I guess pissbum’s rule.

The pissbums know how to use an apostrophe, which is obviously more than you can manage.

:)

[ME]

But do pissbum’s have or know how to use a money market account? Or do they even know what one is?

[Will Dockery]

> > The pissbums know ho can manage.

> >
> But do pissbum’s have or know how

Like i said...

:)