Jinenkan
Alexander Borghgraef
organisation (after the Genbukan). I know it's been founded in 1996 by
Manaka Unsui, and that it's related to Bujinkan (see their website
www.jinenkan.org), but I'd like to know a bit more about the background:
why did they separate from Bujinkan, what are the differences, what are
the similarities, who is their founder...
--
Alex
LEESENSEI
Hi Alex, I am not really sure what else you are looking for. It seems that you
have already answerd all of your own questions.
The Jinenkan was founded by Fumio Manaka, who was a Shihan in the Bujinkan dojo
and a personal student of Dr. Massaki Hatsumi for over 35 years. Manaka Shihan
was very well respected by many in the Bujinkan, Myself definitely included.
He is a great martial artist and teacher. He tended to be more interested in
teaching in a more formal manner than Hatsumi Soke, and he really placed great
emphasis on the formal Katas from the Koru traditons that make up the
foundation for Bujinkan, and placed less emphasis on the Henka variations etc.
Perhaps that difference in emphasis was one of the reasons for his decision to
leave the Bujinkan. I am sure there were other reasons, and I have heard a few
that I will not speculate on here, as that really is simply a matter between
Manaka San and Hatsumi Sensei.
I did ask Manaka San about this right after his decision, and his answer to me
was that he simply wanted to pursue his dream. He said that his goal in th
jinenkan is to create opportunities for people to train with him in an
enviroment of friendship and learning. That seems like a good enough
explanation to me. It is important to note that Manaka San is still very
respectful of his teacher of thirty five years and still says that Hatsumi is
the greatest Soke in the world. I certainly wish Manaka San all the best and I
hope that he is happy pursuing his dreams.
I suppose that anything else that you would like to know about the Jinenkan,
bcan be found at thier website, or you can contact one of the Jinenkan
instructors. Shawn Havens is the Senior Jinenkan instructor in America, and I
am sure that he would be happy to help you with the information that you are
seeking.
Lee Drew
Birmingham Bujinkan Dojo
geezerex
It's certainly nice to see that whatever parting of the ways occured
appears to be amicable and might serve as inspiration to others. Out of
curiosity Lee, I'm possibly a littel ignorant of the state of
Bujinkan-Genbukan relations of late, but a little curious. Care to shed
some light there?
Thanks, for the record, I have no animosity myself towards either
Genbukan or Jinenkan, and think they strengthen the whole of ninpo in
what they do. I even wish the nindoers well but wish they would portray
themselves for what they are.
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LEESENSEI
>It's certainly nice to see that whatever parting of the ways occured
>appears to be amicable and might serve as inspiration to others. Out of
>curiosity Lee, I'm possibly a littel ignorant of the state of
>Bujinkan-Genbukan relations of late, but a little curious. Care to shed
>some light there?
>
>Thanks, for the record, I have no animosity myself towards either
>Genbukan or Jinenkan, and think they strengthen the whole of ninpo in
>what they do. I even wish the nindoers well but wish they would portray
>themselves for what they are.
>--
>The Many Headed Hydra of Usenet, the Vigilante Doppleganger
>Mr Happy Himself, come visit at:
>
>
Well, the split between Tanemura S. and the Bujinkan was a little less
amicable, and there is still the occasional friction between members of the
Bujinkan and members of the Genbukan. But all things considered, I think that
most of us have just sort of agreed to disagree on some subjects and move on.
e...@dove.net.au
- so the split is not all that amicable. I have had Hatsumi talk to me
about this and also Shiraishi and Nagato and can honestly say that
even thought there is not much animosity it is still far from
amicable.
On Tue, 03 Aug 1999 02:44:12 GMT, geezerex <geez...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
>> Lee Drew
>> Birmingham Bujinkan Dojo
>>
>>
>
>It's certainly nice to see that whatever parting of the ways occured
>appears to be amicable and might serve as inspiration to others. Out of
>curiosity Lee, I'm possibly a littel ignorant of the state of
>Bujinkan-Genbukan relations of late, but a little curious. Care to shed
>some light there?
>
>Thanks, for the record, I have no animosity myself towards either
>Genbukan or Jinenkan, and think they strengthen the whole of ninpo in
>what they do. I even wish the nindoers well but wish they would portray
>themselves for what they are.
>--
>The Many Headed Hydra of Usenet, the Vigilante Doppleganger
>Mr Happy Himself, come visit at:
>
>
Kuzushi
with Manaka Sama?
And what would happen if we do?
(I've been out of the training loop for a couple of years)
<e...@dove.net.au> wrote in message news:37a6f128...@news.mtx.net.au...
John Lindsey
wrote:
>Did Hatsumi sensei give any reason Bujinkan people are banned from training
>with Manaka Sama?
>And what would happen if we do?
>
>(I've been out of the training loop for a couple of years)
I think its something to the effect that if a person is not happy in
the Bujinkan and feels the need to go outside the system, then they
should not be in the Bujinkan and should be the Jinenkan. The two
systems are similar, but I think they have philosophical differences.
Maybe its like being faithful with your wife and not going out to
cheat on her.......
John Lindsey
Administrator
www.e-budo.com
"The internet's source for Japanese martial arts and culture"
Jason Chambers
Enjoy your site as well...
aric
about crosstraining with other arts... he just has a problem with people going to
one of the groups that 'split off' (I'm trying to be as neutral as possible
here).
aRic
e...@dove.net.au
integrity and some have not as yet notified Hatsumi that they are
training in the Jinenkan - some of this has been rectified by third
parties now.
John Lindsey
>right on the nail John, sadly however many people lack that sort of
>integrity and some have not as yet notified Hatsumi that they are
>training in the Jinenkan - some of this has been rectified by third
>parties now.
Maybe more people will start to ask for permission since Bud got to?
BTW, when am I going to see you over on e-budo.com? There is a
bujinkan forum among many many others. Funny thing, there hasn't been
a single flame war yet with almost 200 members now :-)
e...@dove.net.au
ppl that were at the Atlanta Taikai where the topic was raised at a
shidoshi-kai meeting
e-budo.com - no flame wars with 200+ members? won't want me there then
hehehe last thing I want is to have to play politically correct to
avoid hurting somebodies feelings :) somewhere I got the impression
that budo occasionally involved fighting hehehe
Kreth
>yeh and Bud was refused permission too :) I have that from several
>ppl that were at the Atlanta Taikai where the topic was raised at a
>shidoshi-kai meeting
Let me interject that I specifically asked Bud about this topic, and
he told me that he had stopped training with Manaka after Sensei told
him not to...
Jeff Velten
Watcher009
Hatsumi-sensei told him not to. Now everyone, go train....