Bussey's relation to the Bujinkan
CyberDragon
standings did he leave Hatsumi?
I personally am I a fan of Bussey, who in his own right is a very talented
martial artist. I met him at a senimar a month or two ago, and he spoke
well of Hatsumi.
I trained in his system, just before moving elsewhere and I'm currently
practicing ninjutsu. Wow, do I have a lot to learn. :)
LEESENSEI
Robert Bussey does not have any current connection to the Bujinkan Dojo. This
has been the case for many, many years. I am sure that Robert Bussey is a nice
guy and a talented martial artist, it is just that his connection to the
Bujinkan was minimal. For whatever reasons, Robert Bussey and the arts of the
Bujinkan were just not a good mix. As I have said previously, if Robert Bussey
had actualy taken the time to learn the art and stick with it the way others
have, I am sure that he would have been a terrific Shidoshi. But he seems to
be happy with what he is doing, and I wish him the best in his endeavors.
Lee Drew
Birmingham Bujinkan Dojo
CyberDragon
From what I understand, wasn't he one of the first americans allowed to
train with Hatsumi? It seems odd that a man would train that long with the
Soke himself only to venture out on his own later.
LEESENSEI wrote in message <19990727184732...@ng-fh1.aol.com>...
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LEESENSEI
>
>From what I understand, wasn't he one of the first americans allowed to
>train with Hatsumi? It seems odd that a man would train that long with the
>Soke himself only to venture out on his own later.
Ah but that is the point. Bussey did not train for long in Japan. His
experience was very minimal. Now he did go over to Japan in the early days
after the art had been introduced to America by Stephen K. Hayes. Robert
Bussey was a student of Nagato Shihan. I don't know how long Bussey was over
in Japan originaly, maybe a couple of months or so?
I guess the main problem for Bussey was that he didn't take the time to really
understand the art or learn it to any significant degree. He came from a
TaeKwon Do background and I guess that he was impatient or I guess just wanted
to do something that he felt was more dynamic etc. Thats why you used to
always see him in the Magazines doing jumping kicks to the head etc.
Anyway, He didn't train very long in the Bujinkan and instead he drifted away
to sort of do his own thing. Eventually he left the Bujinkan entirely. this
was certainly not a suprise to anyone. If you will look back at the first
posts on this thread, you will see the discussion about Mr. Busseys ego and why
Nagato San gave Bussey a Yondan rank. I guess the problem is that bussey was a
very young man when he was a student in the Bujinkan and it was more important
to him to be seen as a master than it was for him to actually study and work
for that level.
He is not the only one that has made that mistake.
Sensei Chambers, Ryhendo Budo Taijutsu
thread of interest having trained with the Busseys (Michael Bussey, his
brother).
Although, I found Robert as being an extremely talented and good natured
person, I also found him as an opportunist. Robert has gone from teaching
TKD to Hapkido to Ninjutsu to the RBWI system to training people to fight in
the UFC. He has changed his organizational structure so many times it is
unbelievable that people still follow him.
Steve (Jennum) and a few others left his organization when he changed over
to RBWI, well shortly thereafter, due to inner turmoil in the organzation
and also to the fact that Robert actually used full force techiques on these
guys at demos and seminars.
Steve has since went his own way and I have neither seen nor heard from him
lately.
I have also not seen Robert since he got into the UFC thing and changed his
org. to the 21st Alliance.
It would be nice to see these guys again for lagniappe (ol' times)....
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CyberDragon
Bussey personally test a good friend for his black belt, Bussey's style of
training is fairly safe.
When I trained (not personally with Bussey but with several close students
to Bussey) from the first technique practiced it was without a doubt a
serious affair. You you didn't pay attention, you got whacked. And I
suffered my fair share of injuries.
To see Robert Bussey train in person, you would assume he's a bit rough.
And no doubt he put my friend though a living nightmare to get his black
belt. But if you're gotten that far in RBWI, you could certainly take it.
IMHO, Bussey's style is not dangerous. However, it is very intense. Yeah,
a guy can get thrown and land on his head, but in my mind, if you've actully
got a chance to train with Bussey, you should be able to take the punishment
by then.
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>In article <7nsk5b$boo$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Sensei Chambers, Ryhendo Budo Taijutsu"
>In the early 90s I followed Bussey to a minor extent and found his
>execution of technique a might explosive, and actually saw him throw a
>man such that he landed on his head, no lie, I have the tape. I am
>curious as to your personal insight, what was the nature of the weekly
>injured list?
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Sensei Chambers, Ryhendo Budo Taijutsu
training but again, I think Robert was "a little too intense". Michael was
not as rough, albeit you felt the techniques.
I stopped my training with them when they stopped teaching ninjutsu. Again,
the reason he changed was because Ninpo was loosing its luster with the
public and "realistic" combat training was becoming the lastest rage.
So, like any other non-traditionalist (no offense), he changed his fighting
style to better suite the needs of the masses.
CyberDragon
geared towards "Reality Fighting"... if done right that is.
Sensei Chambers, Ryhendo Budo Taijutsu wrote in message >I stopped my
Shihan Shidoshi Chambers, RYUHENDO of Louisiana
level dan grades in Ninpo is not an easy path either.
My point is that when the "ninja craze" died down, Robert sought other means
to further his concepts. He took out all that was even remotely related to
Ninpo and began his RBWI fighting style, which is not a bad approach to
fighting.
But many of his original students got involved with him to learn Ninpo, not
RBWI.
Like I stated earlier in this thread, Robert and Michael are two of the
nicest guys you'll ever meet. But I think that Robert tries too hard to
live up to the "King Of Combat" title that was bestowed upon him years
ago...
CyberDragon <cyb...@gigaserve.net> wrote in message
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John Lindsey
of Louisiana" <jason.m....@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>My point is that when the "ninja craze" died down, Robert sought other means
>to further his concepts. He took out all that was even remotely related to
>Ninpo and began his RBWI fighting style, which is not a bad approach to
>fighting.
I don't think he ever felt comfortable in the Bujinkan. He was always
viewed as an outsider, but then again there was only really Stephen K
Hayes back then...
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