Post Modern Art.....WHAT IS IT??

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Charles Eicher

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Apr 5, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/5/97

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In article <3445CE...@dove.net.au>, DARTANIAN <zip...@dove.net.au> wrote:

> Can some kind person take a little time, and tell me what
> precisely post modern art is, and give some examples of
> artists, and their work?

Look, if I answer your question, will you kindly not post this question a
third time? And will you please not SHOUT when you don't get an immediate
answer to a lame question like this the first time you post?

Most simply put, post-modernism is work produced after the Modernist
period. It does not use the methodology of Modernism. There is considerable
debate on what the postmodernist lexicon is saying, but it is most easily
distinguished by its differences from the earlier Modernist works, which
were somewhat related in purpose. Thus, it is POST modernism.

See, now wasn't that easy? Oh, you wanted an example. A professor I know
starts his postmodernism lectures by showing two quite similar paintings by
Dubuffet and Richter. Dubuffet is late modernism, Richter is postmodernism.
I found the comparison amusing..

Will Call

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Apr 6, 1997, 4:00:00 AM4/6/97

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In article <3445CE...@dove.net.au>, zip...@dove.net.au says...

>Can some kind person take a little time, and tell me what
>precisely post modern art is, and give some examples of
>artists, and their work?

The art historian Charles Jencks published a very comprehensive
survey several years ago titled POST MODERNISM (The New
Classicism in Art and Architecture). Rizzoli Int'l Publications.
There are numerous other
books on the subject by other authors as well, and hundreds
of printed articles in various journals. A Web search should bring
up all sorts of additional information. W.C.

Ric Dragon

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Apr 6, 1997, 4:00:00 AM4/6/97

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Hi Dartanian;
First you must understant what "modernism" means in current parlance.
In short; and many might disagree with my way of putting it; Modernism
can be thought of as all that art that happened after, and in response
to, that long period of art based on the academy. Ok, so, that might
mean the impressionists, and there-after. Well, it was felt, at some
point, that the 'games' being played in Modernism were played-out. So
art started to refer to modernism in a self-conscious manner. It
started to use those systems not for their own sake, but sort of a game
about a game. Thus, "post-modernism". Of course, theres a bit more to
it. You might check out a couple of books, namely, William Dunning's
"The Roots of PostModernism", or Bois' "Painting As Model". The latter
is a particularly excellent book.

Best wishes,
Ric Dragon

DARTANIAN wrote:
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> Can some kind person take a little time, and tell me what
> precisely post modern art is, and give some examples of
> artists, and their work?
>

> Thanks in anticipation.
> DS

Rod

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Apr 6, 1997, 4:00:00 AM4/6/97

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post modern art is simply a label for another percieved art
movement...like post impressionism it is a grouping of art that
critics can find a real title for.. so they group it only by its
Alledged difference to the previous art period.(later they found
common ground)

Btw all art movements with real merit are said to be a reaction to the
one before and it's conventions and wisdom.

it' all just words in the end..don't get to hung up on it
and don't be afraid to go to a library for all you know we could be
teasin you or horribly wrong or horribly teasin you.

Rod

oo

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Apr 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/8/97

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DARTANIAN wrote:
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> Can some kind person take a little time, and tell me what
> precisely post modern art is, and give some examples of
> artists, and their work?
>
> Thanks in anticipation.
> DS

Modernism's premise is(was) the idea of progress towards an ideal, such
that
each "stage" was built upon and improved the previous one.
Post-modernism's premise is that everything is relative, and that rather
than
progress there is just a plethora of styles, each as valid as the
others.
Clearly, since postmodernists believe this to be a better view of things
than the modernist view, postmodernism is, in fact, just another stage
in the
modernist saga...

kakkies

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Apr 11, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/11/97

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cei...@inav.net (Charles Eicher) wrote:

>In article <3445CE...@dove.net.au>, DARTANIAN <zip...@dove.net.au> wrote:

>> Can some kind person take a little time, and tell me what
>> precisely post modern art is, and give some examples of
>> artists, and their work?

It seems that ony mdeli attempts to explain the term. Charles eicher
doesn't have a clue, roygbivart choose to ignore it because he doesn't
understand it, while others only refer to books.

I think mdeli pretty much puts it in a nutshell, but at the end tries
to play it down from a modernist point of view. He has a right to
that, but one cannot ignore the fact that contemporary discourse is
pessimistic to the fundamentals of modernist thinking. As a matter of
fact, in every sector of life seems to distrust rational thinking and
progess in some or other way. It seems that it has failed to make the
world a better place. The ''weak point" of PM is that is does not give
solutions. It only questions and criticize truths. Even Jaques
Derrida, the famous French philosopher who played a major role in this
nihilist deconstruction of truths, systems and structures, cannot give
something in its place. That is its weakest point, because criticism
can also be criticised, and even deconstruction also can be
deconstructed.
If you look at PM from the very safe modernist point of view, the
only conclusion you can come to is to say that PM is bullshitology. It
is not as simple as that.

But hey, why do we always have to be rational, politically correct,
scientific, academic and so damn serious? Everything goes, and its
great!

Greetings from South Africa

Koos Kakkies

Kirk Mathew Gatzka

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Apr 12, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/12/97

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I have been reading a book from the library entitled:

"Art of the Postmodern Era - from the Late 1960's to the Early 1990's"
by Irving Sandler.

It is published by IconEditions an Imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers.

It's big format, thick with "real" critical writing and clear
explanations about artists and art theorists. Ask your local library
network if they have it or if they can get it for you.

Not too many pictures of the art, but hey! we got the web!

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RoyGBivart

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Apr 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/13/97

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Dear Dart:

I don't understand why so many people ask the same stupid question. THERE
IS NO SUCH THING AS POST MODERN ART! Are you asking about Post Modernist
Art? If so, at least ask the proper question with the proper name.

Sincerely,

Roy

peter nelson

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Apr 14, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/14/97

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kakkies wrote:

> I think mdeli pretty much puts it in a nutshell, but at the end tries
> to play it down from a modernist point of view. He has a right to
> that, but one cannot ignore the fact that contemporary discourse is
> pessimistic to the fundamentals of modernist thinking. As a matter of
> fact, in every sector of life seems to distrust rational thinking and
> progess in some or other way. It seems that it has failed to make the
> world a better place. The ''weak point" of PM is that is does not give
> solutions. It only questions and criticize truths. Even Jaques
> Derrida, the famous French philosopher who played a major role in this
> nihilist deconstruction of truths, systems and structures, cannot give
> something in its place.

Why do you call this a "weak point"? Consider it this
way: I'm a software engineer. Someone shows me an
algorithm to do something, and I analyze it and discover
that it won't work, or it doesn't make logical sense.
Declaring this discovery doesn't obligate me to produce
an algorithm that does work. Maybe one isn't possible
or I'm not smart enough to come up with one. But that
doesn't change the fact that the original one is bogus.

---peter

Stenax

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Apr 28, 1997, 3:00:00 AM4/28/97

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vous etes surement de tres valeureux penseurs et vos propos sont ,je n'en
doute pas, fort interessants mais je me permet de vous rappeler que nous
sommes ici en france et a ce titre je vous serais gre de bien vouloir
traduire vos echanges d'idees afin d'en faire profiter nos compatriotes ,
merci

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