Anyone heard of this dealer?
William_F
have been tempted to buy some items from them, which they claim are
all authentic, no reproductions. Problem is I can't find anything on
these people, good or bad. It's like they don't exist in the google
world. I'm wondering if anyone here has heard of this gallery or
owners and whether they're legit?
Jem Raid
"William_F" <bi...@techline.com> wrote in message
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Looking at the code on their site I see it was done by;
<META HTTP-EQUIV="Author" CONTENT="John Daniels, Candlelight Web Design,
http://www.candlelightweb.com">
and from the feedback on the site it looks as though they are a bit over
stocked with Chagall's and Picasso's.
I sell my stuff through Absolute Arts and they have a fraud advice page.
Jem
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My Collectable Cyanotypes & Etchings;
http://www.absolutearts.com/portfolios/j/jimread
Jem Raid
Interesting this tracking caper, I found this whilst searching on their
names
http://www.art-decoratif.de/LINKS.htm
Zsuzsanna has a link from here.
Nothing other than that for either of them, low profile :-) Could be a good
sign.
I see they sell on eBay and have a unique feedback of 1149 @ 100% with a
score of over 1400 for individuals, so some people are going back for more
on the other hand none of their current items has a bid. The feedback is
private so you can't read the comments, could be that they don't want people
tracing their customers, I'd say that was a wise move.
William_F
<jem...@nobtinternetspamm.com> wrote:
>Interesting this tracking caper, I found this whilst searching on their
>names
>http://www.art-decoratif.de/LINKS.htm
>Zsuzsanna has a link from here.
>Nothing other than that for either of them, low profile :-) Could be a good
>sign.
>
>I see they sell on eBay and have a unique feedback of 1149 @ 100% with a
>score of over 1400 for individuals, so some people are going back for more
>on the other hand none of their current items has a bid. The feedback is
>private so you can't read the comments, could be that they don't want people
>tracing their customers, I'd say that was a wise move.
>
>Jem
Thanks for tracking info down for me, Jem. What tempted me was that
they had a pretty liberal return policy. They say if you can get any
gallery to write a statement saying that the piece you bought is not
authentic and the signature not original, they will refund your money.
This probably gets a lot of people to buy while they figure most won't
bother to check the provenance of the piece. The few that do and send
their pieces back are a minor inconvenience. It becomes very
difficult to prove authenticity on some pieces. It doesn't take much
to forge signatures, and it becomes harder to prove fraud when the
artist is long dead and can't say, "Hey, I didn't sign that!" Guys
like Dali didn't help us out much when he signed thousands and
thousands of pieces of blank paper and then had litho printers put out
whatever they wanted.
Steffen Sørensen
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Hi William,
If you're considering to pay a lot of money for art like that you might want
to pay an fine artdealer to check out the painting you want to buy? You
could email the painting and titel to him sp he could ask around.
Good luck
ps: or support your local artists and buy from them :)
Steffen
--
ste...@REMOVEsteffenmartin.REMOVE.dk
Jem Raid
Looks as though they've got it sewn up, with the provenance caper, who's
going to admit they've been a victim.
I thought about finding someone near to their NJ address and asking them to
go and have a look, so I typed; '151 County Road Old Bridge NJ 08857' which
is the European World Gallery, New Jersey address and this came up;
http://www.passportinfo.com/Local/NJ.htm
Looking down the list I see that No 151 is Old Bridge Post Office.
They are using a Box No, but that would refer to a proper address if they
had a gallery, surely. Lots of legit companies do this in case they can't
get there on a particular day to pick up their post.
I tried the Budapest address in various forms but nothing save for their
site came up. Interestingly 'Budapest 1187' which I take to be somesort of
zip/post code returns nothing. Whereas 'NJ 08857' brings up a whole raft of
returns.
Steffans got a good idea there, if it does turn out to be genuine then you
may have a bargain, lots of European art has made its way eastwards over the
past 60/70 years, for various reasons.
Jem Raid
The phone number 732-765-0024 returns this, as well as their gallery.
http://www.partypop.com/Categories/Male_Exotic_Dancers/Central_New_Jersey.htm
"Local and National Listings of Male Strippers and Exotic Dancers for
Bachelorette Parties, Girls Night Out, and Special Events."
Dial the number William and let us know ....... please! :-)
Jem
William_F
No thanks, don't want to explain that to my wife if she sees it on the
phone bill and calls it. ;-) I did a little digging myself and found
that the domain name europeanworldgallery.com is registered in
Buffalo, New York:
Registrant Contact:
Private Registration
EUROPEAN WORLD GALLERY (pri...@droa.com)
+1.8664340212
Fax: +1.8664340211
2316 Delaware Ave Suite #266
Buffalo, NY 14216-2687
US
Jem Raid
Goodness that, 2316 Delaware Ave Suite #266, turns out to be a copying and
duplicating service;
http://buffalo.citysearch.com/yellowpages/directory/Buffalo_NY/20/528/page1.html
a.. UPS Store
b.. Shipping & Trucking, Copying & Duplicating Service, ...
2316 Delaware Ave
Buffalo NY Map
Well well, that does make you think, that was a great idea, finding out
their address from the domain name.
Jem Raid
Ohh! even more;
http://blog.forret.com/blog/2004/12/domain-registry-of-america-scam.html
Jem
William_F
>Ohh! even more;
>http://blog.forret.com/blog/2004/12/domain-registry-of-america-scam.html
>
>Jem
>
I guess, all in all, doesn't look like a very reputable company when
they don't have a real address or gallery and background searches lead
you in circles. Some of their stuff is, price wise, on par with what
I've seen in real brick and mortar galleries, ie: signed Chagall
lithos can be found quite easily for under $5K, but a signed Picasso
litho for $1500? Doubtful. I've never seen one for under $10K, but I
suppose tattered examples can probably be found.
I appreciate a previous poster's advice to buy from a local artist or
from a fine art gallery nearby, but I live out in the sticks, two full
hours from the nearest gallery of any kind. There are a few websites
out there selling fine art that do appear to reputable, they actually
have real galleries you can visit, which makes them eminitely more
respectable in my book than places who get their mail at a UPS store.
>:(
RainLover
wrote:
>
>
>>Ohh! even more;
>>http://blog.forret.com/blog/2004/12/domain-registry-of-america-scam.html
>>
>>Jem
>>
>
>I guess, all in all, doesn't look like a very reputable company when
>they don't have a real address or gallery and background searches lead
>you in circles. Some of their stuff is, price wise, on par with what
>I've seen in real brick and mortar galleries, ie: signed Chagall
>lithos can be found quite easily for under $5K, but a signed Picasso
>litho for $1500? Doubtful. I've never seen one for under $10K, but I
>suppose tattered examples can probably be found.
Personally, "Lithograph" is fancy art-speak for "POSTER". In my book,
posters are worth $9.95 to $19.95.
I'd rather purchase a REAL, one-of-a-kind PAINTING from an
up-and-coming local artist whose work I *like* rather than a poster of
a dead guy's work with a 'signature' on the bottom.
But that's just me... buy all the $5,000 posters you want....
James, Seattle
William_F
>Personally, "Lithograph" is fancy art-speak for "POSTER". In my book,
>posters are worth $9.95 to $19.95.
>
>I'd rather purchase a REAL, one-of-a-kind PAINTING from an
>up-and-coming local artist whose work I *like* rather than a poster of
>a dead guy's work with a 'signature' on the bottom.
>
>But that's just me... buy all the $5,000 posters you want....
>
>James, Seattle
I would assume that you have tongue firmly planted in cheek with the
lithograph comment. I have a Dali lithograph as well as a poster of
the same piece, and the difference is obvious to me, but that's just
me. The poster looks like it came off someone's Canon printer, the
litho looks like Dali could have just painted it himself. As far as
buying one of a kind paintings from up and coming artists, that's
great, for you. Some of us like art that isn't being made anymore, in
my case, surrealism. The surrealist movement died with Dali and no
one is making anything close to what he and Magritte did (with all due
respect to Dorothea Tanning, whose very much still alive last I heard,
but I don't think she's doing much lately).