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Ultimate fuzion of Gothic and Post-Modern.

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> Morgoth <

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Mar 7, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/7/97
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Any ideas.

I have had a thought (mind trip if you will) of designing a
Gothic Cathedral, but not of stone, but of steel and aluminium
and concrete.

How to express what I am thinking is hard to say. I have had no
formal training, so please forgive.

Mike Adams

Jason Mansfield Roth

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Mar 8, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/8/97
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I don't know if it's worth responding to this, but Gothic and
Post-Modern architecture couldn't be more different; or let me put it
this way -- they have one point in common (imagery/form as, almost
literally, text), but in their approaches to it, the two types couldn't
be more different. The Gothic cathedral is the ultimate expression of
Organic Architecture, in which every structural member, every space
definition, every bit of ornament expresses the function of and idea
behind the building -- glorifying God and expressing the Celestial City
on Earth. The Post-Modern building uses accepted cultural icons to
express a message, often ironic or superficial, about what the architect
meant. If these two sound alike, let me give an analogy. Gothic
architecture is writing love poetry to your lover; Post-Modernism is
quoting the theme song from "Three's Company" in a marriage proposal.

As for the notion of a Gothic cathedral in modern materials, it's been
done many times in many ways (near Pittsburgh, there's a church that in
many ways is a classic Gothic cathedral, but with concrete caternary
arches instead of pointed stone arches; also, the stained glass is
figural, like that of Gothic cathedrals, but instead of showing the
farmer and the carpenter, it has the businessman and the housewife (it
was built in the 50s); Obviously, this doesn't take the idea too far,
but it's a cool church). The question is, which is a more honest
expression of a "Gothic Cathedral" in modern materials? Is it simply
using concrete and steel to do things Master Builders of the 1200s wish
they could have done? Or would it be to express the Modern notion of God
(whatever that may be) in Modern materials, using them in their "truest"
form (whatever that may be -- but it's been said that the Gothic
Cathedral _is_ the truest expression of stone, in that it uses stone to
do what it can do best, and what no other material could emulate).

There's a lot of work out there that might help you find your meaning;
keep your eyes open!

JMR

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"One man and God can overturn the universe."

"So it's Rorschach and Prozac
And everything's groovy..."


Larry Arsenault

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Mar 13, 1997, 3:00:00 AM3/13/97
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> form (whatever that may be -- but it's been said that the Gothic
> Cathedral _is_ the truest expression of stone, in that it uses stone to
> do what it can do best, and what no other material could emulate).
>
> JMR
>
Interesting...but the Gothic cathedral, awesome as they are, seem to be
begging for our modern materials to further their graceful, slender
curves, and towering, thin walls. Perhaps it is the natural courseness of
stone that balances with the sophistication of the stucture to create a
very satisfying, all encompasing experience. But as for for what stone
can do best, there is an arguement for the Greek 'middle period'
especially in and around Athens. And if we really want to see what stone
can do, well, I would love to see the moon rise over the Great Pyramid.

L.A.

Everything moving is in balance symetrically.
Everything still is in balance equally.


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