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Dave Symes
Dec 7, 2018, 2:36:12 PM12/7/18
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I'm asking this on Fay's behalf...
In this house, I look after the computers, networking and related things.
(My interest).
Fay looks after all the TV, Video and Sky stuff (Her interest).
The sky plus box recently went Pwaarp! and is now consigned to the
recycling place.
In the meanwhile, waiting for the engineer to supply and fit some new kit
we've been using the Sky catch up service through a computer to keep
up-to-date with the one or two must see (For us) programmes.
She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is being
use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
disparate answers to the same question.
The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
checking the veracity of those figures...
Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
Thanks on her behalf.
Dave
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Dave Triffid
In this house, I look after the computers, networking and related things.
(My interest).
Fay looks after all the TV, Video and Sky stuff (Her interest).
The sky plus box recently went Pwaarp! and is now consigned to the
recycling place.
In the meanwhile, waiting for the engineer to supply and fit some new kit
we've been using the Sky catch up service through a computer to keep
up-to-date with the one or two must see (For us) programmes.
She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is being
use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
disparate answers to the same question.
The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
checking the veracity of those figures...
Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
Thanks on her behalf.
Dave
--
Dave Triffid
Alan Wrigley
Dec 7, 2018, 3:43:29 PM12/7/18
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Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
>
> As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
> checking the veracity of those figures...
>
> Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
Does your ISP provide you with a control panel so you can see how much
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
>
> As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
> checking the veracity of those figures...
>
> Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
you're using?
The best answer I can give, and I don't know how accurate this will be when
it comes to streaming over the internet because I don't know what resolution
they use, is that when I create a 1080p HD video using MP4 it requires about
6GB per hour.
Alan
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Dave Symes
Dec 7, 2018, 4:32:18 PM12/7/18
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In article <gemini.pjdw8j00...@alanwrigley.me.uk>,
Sorry about that Alan... :-/
Orpheus is our Service provider and there is no control panel.
This is the only complaint I have with Orpheus past and present... And
I've asked Richard about it a number of times.
> The best answer I can give, and I don't know how accurate this will be
> when it comes to streaming over the internet because I don't know what
> resolution they use, is that when I create a 1080p HD video using MP4 it
> requires about 6GB per hour.
> Alan
As we have a 100 Gigs per month allowance I don't think (Probably) 3 x 1
hour Sky catchups are going to cause us problems, but she would like to
know for future reference as well.
As a future preference Sky (Apparently) want users to have their Sky-Q
received over the Net rather than a dish.
Thanks for your thoughts, appreciated.
Dave (OFB)
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Dave Triffid
Alan Wrigley <use...@alanwrigley.me.uk> wrote:
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to
> > indicate 1 Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
> >
> > As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
> > checking the veracity of those figures...
> >
> > Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
> Does your ISP provide you with a control panel so you can see how much
> you're using?
Rolls on the floor laughing hysterically...
> Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> > The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to
> > indicate 1 Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
> >
> > As this is way outside my interest/knowledge base I have no way of
> > checking the veracity of those figures...
> >
> > Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
> Does your ISP provide you with a control panel so you can see how much
> you're using?
Sorry about that Alan... :-/
Orpheus is our Service provider and there is no control panel.
This is the only complaint I have with Orpheus past and present... And
I've asked Richard about it a number of times.
> The best answer I can give, and I don't know how accurate this will be
> when it comes to streaming over the internet because I don't know what
> resolution they use, is that when I create a 1080p HD video using MP4 it
> requires about 6GB per hour.
> Alan
hour Sky catchups are going to cause us problems, but she would like to
know for future reference as well.
As a future preference Sky (Apparently) want users to have their Sky-Q
received over the Net rather than a dish.
Thanks for your thoughts, appreciated.
Dave (OFB)
--
Dave Triffid
Alan Dawes
Dec 8, 2018, 7:35:53 AM12/8/18
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In article <5762d0f...@triffid.co.uk>,
place but the average seems to be about 2GB per hour of HD video
eg see the table about half way down the following page:
https://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/guides/broadband/guide-to-internet-data-usage
Alan
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alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an ARMX6
Dave Symes <da...@triffid.co.uk> wrote:
> She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is
> being use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
> Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
> disparate answers to the same question.
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
The amount of compression varies depending on how much action is taking
> She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is
> being use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
> Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
> disparate answers to the same question.
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
place but the average seems to be about 2GB per hour of HD video
eg see the table about half way down the following page:
https://www.broadbandchoices.co.uk/guides/broadband/guide-to-internet-data-usage
Alan
--
alan....@argonet.co.uk
alan....@riscos.org
Using an ARMX6
Tim Hill
Dec 8, 2018, 8:34:17 AM12/8/18
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> I don't know what resolution they use
Most catch-up video on Windows seem to respond to a right-click and
provide information about bandwidth and resolution. Perhaps it is a Flash
thing. Lots of them still use it.
Have you tried right-clicking on the video as it's playing?
--
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Vince M Hudd
Dec 8, 2018, 11:58:31 AM12/8/18
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On 07/12/2018 19:36, Dave Symes wrote:
[...]
> we've been using the Sky catch up service through a computer to keep
> up-to-date with the one or two must see (For us) programmes.
> She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is being
> use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
> Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
> disparate answers to the same question.
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
[...]
> Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
Yes.
No.
Maybe.
Hope that helps. :)
The problem is different channels vary in the standard of their
broadcasts - so while channel ABC might result in that much of your data
allowance being used, if you're watching channel DEF, it might be less.
Then there's the type of programme; its content, and so on. This will
have a bearing as well.
The figures you give above vaguely match what I think I remember working
out as an *average* when I had my previous Virgin Media box - for which
I knew its size, and it gave an estimate of free space based on SD hours
remaining.[1]
The current box, a re-badged TiVo, has a much greater hard disc
capacity, and I don't actually know what its size is - and it tells me
how much space is used up as a percentage. Often, I can delete something
I've watched, and the percentage will go from (say) 72% down to... 72%. :|
That makes it rather difficult to make a reasonable assessment of how
much space - and therefore the amount of bandwidth allowance, if
delivered that way[2] - things take up[3].
Have you looked at your router administration pages? You might find
there is a "Traffic Meter" section / tab / page, so you could use that
to work it out. (Either reset, or make a note of the figures, before
settling down to watch - then check the same page after.)
[1] Why not look it up, Vince? Okay, Vince - that's a good idea! The old
V+ box had a 160GB hard drive, and could hold up to 80 hours or SD
recordings, or 20 hours of HD. Which suggests 2GB/hour for SD, and
8GB/hour of HD.
[2] On my Virgin Media package, TV *is* delivered over IP, but
separately to the normal internet connection. Usefully, I can connect to
my Netflix account via my box, so I can watch stuff on that without it
impacting my internet connectivity (if it mattered) - but annoyingly,
there's no facility to access Amazon the same way.
[3] Switching on and looking at the settings, it doesn't tell me the
capacity using anything but hours - up to 59 for HD or 257 for SD video,
with up to 15 (HD) or 72 (SD) free[4]. So doing as above and looking it
up; it apparently has a 500GB hard drive - and the official figures
suggest that equates to up to 250 hours of SD and 50 hours of HD. Using
the official figures, that's 2GB/hour SD and 10GB/hour of HD - while
using what it says its own capacity is, that's just under 2GB/hour SD,
and just under 8.5GB/hour HD.
Note the use of "up to" in the figures found for these boxes as well.
[4] A double check. A glance through my unwatched recordings, all SD,
and totting up the time, I reckon I have about 182 hours of stuff to
watch - which should leave about 75 hours based on the available
capacity the box itself reports; not far off the 72 hours it claims is
available.
--
Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software - www.softrock.co.uk
RISCOSitory - www.riscository.com
[...]
> we've been using the Sky catch up service through a computer to keep
> up-to-date with the one or two must see (For us) programmes.
> She's been trying to find out how much of our Broadband allowance is being
> use for each hour we use Sky Catch up.
> Searching online she has become somewhat annoyed and confused by the
> disparate answers to the same question.
> The most sensible answers I can distil from the morass seem to indicate 1
> Gigabyte for SD and up to 3 Gigs for HD per hour.
> Does anyone here know if those figures seem okay?
No.
Maybe.
Hope that helps. :)
The problem is different channels vary in the standard of their
broadcasts - so while channel ABC might result in that much of your data
allowance being used, if you're watching channel DEF, it might be less.
Then there's the type of programme; its content, and so on. This will
have a bearing as well.
The figures you give above vaguely match what I think I remember working
out as an *average* when I had my previous Virgin Media box - for which
I knew its size, and it gave an estimate of free space based on SD hours
remaining.[1]
The current box, a re-badged TiVo, has a much greater hard disc
capacity, and I don't actually know what its size is - and it tells me
how much space is used up as a percentage. Often, I can delete something
I've watched, and the percentage will go from (say) 72% down to... 72%. :|
That makes it rather difficult to make a reasonable assessment of how
much space - and therefore the amount of bandwidth allowance, if
delivered that way[2] - things take up[3].
Have you looked at your router administration pages? You might find
there is a "Traffic Meter" section / tab / page, so you could use that
to work it out. (Either reset, or make a note of the figures, before
settling down to watch - then check the same page after.)
[1] Why not look it up, Vince? Okay, Vince - that's a good idea! The old
V+ box had a 160GB hard drive, and could hold up to 80 hours or SD
recordings, or 20 hours of HD. Which suggests 2GB/hour for SD, and
8GB/hour of HD.
[2] On my Virgin Media package, TV *is* delivered over IP, but
separately to the normal internet connection. Usefully, I can connect to
my Netflix account via my box, so I can watch stuff on that without it
impacting my internet connectivity (if it mattered) - but annoyingly,
there's no facility to access Amazon the same way.
[3] Switching on and looking at the settings, it doesn't tell me the
capacity using anything but hours - up to 59 for HD or 257 for SD video,
with up to 15 (HD) or 72 (SD) free[4]. So doing as above and looking it
up; it apparently has a 500GB hard drive - and the official figures
suggest that equates to up to 250 hours of SD and 50 hours of HD. Using
the official figures, that's 2GB/hour SD and 10GB/hour of HD - while
using what it says its own capacity is, that's just under 2GB/hour SD,
and just under 8.5GB/hour HD.
Note the use of "up to" in the figures found for these boxes as well.
[4] A double check. A glance through my unwatched recordings, all SD,
and totting up the time, I reckon I have about 182 hours of stuff to
watch - which should leave about 75 hours based on the available
capacity the box itself reports; not far off the 72 hours it claims is
available.
--
Vince M Hudd - Soft Rock Software - www.softrock.co.uk
RISCOSitory - www.riscository.com
Tim Hill
Dec 9, 2018, 8:19:42 AM12/9/18
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In article <PNadncojYJGvZZbB...@giganews.com>, Vince M Hudd
Adverts may take up to 46 of those hours. And people wonder why things
get recorded so you can spin them and get those nearly two days back.
This entire discussion has made me research my current broadband usage. I
don't usually bother to look as I'm on an unlimited tariff.
Average over first eleven months of 2018, 146 GB a month, peak monthly
use 220 GB. That's just me, alone watching NetFlix, catch up and live
streams.
Extra cost (BT) if I had 100 GB package: £1100
Extra cost if I had a 'cheap' BT 30 GB package: £2,800. :-o
Adverts may take up to 46 of those hours. And people wonder why things
get recorded so you can spin them and get those nearly two days back.
This entire discussion has made me research my current broadband usage. I
don't usually bother to look as I'm on an unlimited tariff.
Average over first eleven months of 2018, 146 GB a month, peak monthly
use 220 GB. That's just me, alone watching NetFlix, catch up and live
streams.
Extra cost (BT) if I had 100 GB package: £1100
Extra cost if I had a 'cheap' BT 30 GB package: £2,800. :-o
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