Archer's Advantage & Toxonics Sights
Perry A. Ratcliff
I have discovered a compatibility problem between Toxonics Terminator
Sights and Archer’s Advantage software products. In my manuals, I
reported that the Toxonics Sight uses a 24 Turn Scale (24 Turn to the
Inch Worm Gear). It turns out that determining the correct scaling
factor for a Terminator Sight is more complicated than simply
selecting for the Pitch of the Worm Gear.
The Terminator Sight does in fact have a 24 Turn Worm Gear (vertical
adjustment screw) for vertical movement of the sight. This sight has
a 12-Click Knob making each full turn of the Knob 1/24th of an inch.
So far so good.
Now for the bad news. The sight tape that Toxonics places on the
Terminator sight is scaled so that each mark is exactly 10 clicks
apart, or 2 clicks less than a full turn. This effectively makes the
factory supplied sight tape on a Terminator Sight the equivalent of a
28.8 Turn Scale.
Archer’s Advantage supports 24-Turn, 32-Turn, Metric, and Inch Scales.
My recommendation for Archer’s Advantage customers who use Terminator
Sights is to replace the Factory Supplied Scale with an Archer’s
Advantage 24-Turn Scale.
If you have struggled getting Sight Tapes to match up properly on a
Terminator Sight, this should correct your problem. I’m sorry for any
problems you may have had using a Terminator Sight with Archer’s
Advantage but I was working under the misconception that One Full Turn
of the Sight moved the sight by exactly one mark on the Scale provided
by Toxonics.
I have attempted to convince Toxonics that it would be to their
benefit to offer an Archer’s Advantage compatible sight for two years
with no success. It will take the efforts of my customers to convince
Toxonics otherwise. It would take very little effort on the part of
Toxonics to make the necessary modifications. Using their existing
Worm Gear they would simply need to convert their knob to a 10 or 20
click knob and replace the factory scale with a 24 Turn scale vs. the
currently supplied 28.8 turn scale. If you own a Toxonics Sight and
use Archer’s Advantage Software, I would appreciate it if you would
contact Toxonics and let them know that this is an important issue
with you.
If Toxonics wants to differentiate themselves from the competition by
supplying scales with closer marks they could use a 32 Turn Worm Gear
and calibrate the knobs/scales accordingly. Both the Windows Version
and Pocket Computer Version of Archer’s Advantage now support 32-Turn
10 & 20 Click Systems.
Thanks for your continued support, and Good Shooting!
If you have any questions, please contact me at
adva...@worldnet.att.net
Perry
dw...@my-dejanews.com
In article <6jasg5$k...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>,
adva...@worldnet.att.net (Perry A. Ratcliff) wrote:
>
> I have discovered a compatibility problem between Toxonics Terminator
> Sights and Archer’s Advantage software products.
Perry,
Ya just now finding out? Well, it's not a problem here anyway. I have yet to
find a TOX sight that will hold up. I made the move to Gibbs, no more
breakage.
D. Taylor
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Gary
I have a similar problem with a Naildriver. It has a 12 click wheel, and I
never did figure out what the scale etched on the side is for - it isn't
metric or 24 turn as far as I can tell. I just stuck one of your scales
over it, and put up with the stupid 12 click wheel. Some people may be able
to read/estimate divisions on a linear scale in 12ths, but I am not one of
them. 10th is MUCH more convenient. I am not too happy with the
naildriver - there is the scale problem, it is difficult to level a scope on
it, there is only about 1.5" of travel on a 3" sight. I also have an old 3D
Terminator, but it has a 10 click wheel, with a 24 turn/" thread, but is
heavy. It is also nearly impossible to quickly change scopes without
changing aiming point. I do like Toxonic windage units though. In fact I
have designed a dovetail which will allow me to mount Toxonic windage units
on a SureLock sight. I have never had a rod break when mounted in their
windage units, and I like to use large scopes with sun hoods that tend to
break the rods otherwise.
Why is it that no one (at least that I have seen) makes a sight that has the
full vertical adjusting mechanism at the riser where it would have less
effect on the balance of the bow, and a minimal mass at the end of the rod?
The arc sights like HHA, SightMaster, PSE, etc. are close, but I think most
competitors like to be able to adjust the distance the sight is from the
bow, and remove it for travel. I did some preliminary designs for a sight
some time ago, but never did anything with it. Also I don't think anyone
could sell it, as I copied what I considered were the best features of
several competition sights.
-- Gary --
Perry A. Ratcliff wrote in message <6jasg5$k...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
>I have discovered a compatibility problem between Toxonics Terminator
Perry A. Ratcliff
Hello Gary,
You may want to see if you can transfer your 10-Click Knob from your
old Naildriver to your new Naildriver (assuming they are compatible).
You could then use the numbers on the knob to set for 10ths of a mark
instead of visually interpolating the reading as you must do now.
That is how most Sure-Loc users set their sights.
Specialty Archery Products made a sight with the vertical movement at
the riser instead of at the end of a sight extension. If I recall
correctly, the sight was cursed by using Delrin and had problems with
the sight loosening up or creeping. I believe one of the Japanese
manufacturers also made a sight like this but it was very light weight
and more appropriate for use on FITA Recurve Bows.
Good Shooting!
Perry
John Dickson
Perry A. Ratcliff wrote in message
<SNIP Toxonics Naildriver/SureLoc stuff>
>Specialty Archery Products made a sight with the vertical movement at
>the riser instead of at the end of a sight extension. If I recall
>correctly, the sight was cursed by using Delrin and had problems with
>the sight loosening up or creeping.
The Swiss manufacturer AGF make a compound sight called the AGF Compact, I
think that it has a fair reputation. I had no end of problems with the fancy
AGF recurve sights but you may find the Compact is worth a look if this kind
of design really turns you on. I've certainly seen it on a lot of good
archers bows and it comes highly recommended by some.
(Mind you aren't AGF and SAP in some kind of "work together" deal? SO maybe
these are the same sights!)
I have a fague recollection that Dee Wilde might have been shooting one at
them last FITA worlds but don't quote me on that.
>I believe one of the Japanese
>manufacturers also made a sight like this but it was very light weight
>and more appropriate for use on FITA Recurve Bows.
There are quite a few actually. Yamaha were first (I think) with the YSV
since then (in no particular order) we've had Arten Olympic, AGF Technic &
Safari, Spigarelli Carbon 30, Hallstein, Carbofast, even Accra made one at
some point and there are probably some that I've forgotten. As Perry
suggests these are really best left on a recurve (and some of them are best
left in the manufacturers warehouse ;o) )
Sights are very personal things, for example I HATE the Sure-Loc that about
75% of archers seem to love! Anyway, just a little extra input.
John
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