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Which kind of arrows is needed for 100 yds?

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Stefan W. Christensen

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May 31, 2001, 9:37:12 AM5/31/01
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Having just bought a recurve bow and a set of Al arrows, I find that I
can reach 80 yds (with difficulty) but certainly no more than that
(those sightmarks in the sky are damn elusive :-)

Will any kind of carbon arrows, or carbon-aluminium arrows, allow me
to shoot 100 yds? I was specifically thinking about getting the ACC's
(having witnessed the difficulties finding all-carbon arrows in thick
grass, I'm lukewarm on that kind).

My setup is a Spigarelli VBS2001 riser with 36lbs W&W fomax limbs for
a 70 inch bow.

Best regards,

Stefan W. Christensen

Leintz

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May 31, 2001, 8:56:23 AM5/31/01
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compond bow in future:
1) no limbs
2) helical cams
3) mass about 0,5 kg
4) ATA= approx. 10"
5) speed ca. 450-550 fps (70 lbs, 30 " draw)

leintz...


Ringare

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May 31, 2001, 11:55:50 AM5/31/01
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Both Carbon and Alu-Carbon will enable you to shoot 100 yards.

Good shooting.

Ringare


shadyshark

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Jun 1, 2001, 5:21:26 AM6/1/01
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It's not so much the kind of shaft, as the overall weight.
In your sort of draw/weight range (I'm assuming a 30inch or more draw
as you have a 70inch bow...) the lightest shafts are probably ACEs
(expensive aluminium/carbon shafts).
ACCs are just a little heavier than X10s (seriously expensive
aluminium/carbon shafts). The lightest aluminium shafts are just a
little heavier again (the XX12 sizes).

Going outside the Easton range: Alternative Sporting Services are
starting to sell an Aluminium/carbon shaft by Doo-sung of Korea (aka
Samick, aka Cartel...), which might be worth a look. I seem to recall
that the prices were similar to ACCs.

You ought to be able to reach 100 yards with all of these, assuming
your setup is correct. What weight are you holding?

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Alex Rodriguez

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Jun 1, 2001, 11:01:40 AM6/1/01
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In article <44c4881b.01060...@posting.google.com>,
shady...@hotmail.com says...

>It's not so much the kind of shaft, as the overall weight.
>In your sort of draw/weight range (I'm assuming a 30inch or more draw
>as you have a 70inch bow...) the lightest shafts are probably ACEs
>(expensive aluminium/carbon shafts).
>ACCs are just a little heavier than X10s (seriously expensive
>aluminium/carbon shafts). The lightest aluminium shafts are just a
>little heavier again (the XX12 sizes).
>Going outside the Easton range: Alternative Sporting Services are
>starting to sell an Aluminium/carbon shaft by Doo-sung of Korea (aka
>Samick, aka Cartel...), which might be worth a look. I seem to recall
>that the prices were similar to ACCs.
>You ought to be able to reach 100 yards with all of these, assuming
>your setup is correct. What weight are you holding?

Another shaft to check out, if you can find it in your size since it was
recently discontinued, is the Beman Racing shaft. It is comparable in weight
to ACE shafts and costs less than half the price.
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Alex __O
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John Grove

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Jun 2, 2001, 7:39:27 PM6/2/01
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You should be able to reach 100 yards with a 36 lb bow irrespective of
the type of arrow.

First how long are your arrows? Do you draw the full length of them?

With a 70" bow unless you are drawing at least 30" you will not be
getting efficiency out of the bow, hence poor cast. If your arrows are
longer than the front of the bow at full draw the extra length
represents weight that will slow the arrow down giving poor cast.

In short if you draw less than 28" a 66" bow is for you, over 28" and
less than 29" use a 68" bow.

If the arrow length to bow length combination is correct with aluminium
arrows, if you use a sight with an extension, you may need to pull the
sight back to the bow handle. If you still cannot get the distance
reverse the sight on its mounting so that it is inside the bow.

For me the difference between ace's and aluminium arrows is that I am
able to have the sight about 4" further out.

--
John Grove

Michael Ney

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Jun 4, 2001, 2:09:18 PM6/4/01
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Stefan W. Christensen <s...@soton.ac.uk> wrote in message
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> Having just bought a recurve bow and a set of Al arrows, I find that I
> can reach 80 yds (with difficulty) but certainly no more than that
On my first bow I had to reverse the sight to get the sight-mark (I take it
you have brought it into the nearest hole) When I changed to ACC I could
shoot a York with no problem where a Hereford had been the previous limit.

Michael Ney


Ringare

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Jun 4, 2001, 3:53:27 PM6/4/01
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Michael Ney <mn...@schroedersbegg.demon.co.uk> schreef in berichtnieuws
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What is the difference between a York and a Hereford?


Ringare


Andrew MIDDLETON

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Jun 4, 2001, 6:44:27 PM6/4/01
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The answer is thin, light arrows with small, thin fletchings.

You need light arrows to get the speed up, thin arrows with small, thin
fletchings avoid windage losing that extra speed. A little extra speed goes
a long way, roughtly speaking 10% more speed gets you 20% more range.

Thats why the answer is probably a carbon arrow but do try out the cheap
solutions first ! If you are using feather fletchings or large plastic
ones, fit small plastic ones (probably 1.5" will do fine) and if you can
reduce the weight of point in your arrow without losing too much accuracy,
do it. If your bow is set up to be accurately centreshot, you'll get away
with very light points.

I'm suspicious of your arrows. 36# should be OK for 100 yds, easily. My
recurve is 40# and will push a very heavy feather flighted wooden arrow 125
yds and a light arrow 180 yds. Do you know your arrow weight ?

Andrew


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Ian

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Jun 4, 2001, 7:46:49 PM6/4/01
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Ringare wrote:

>
> What is the difference between a York and a Hereford?

About 200 miles!
(sorry, couldn't resist)


Jim McPhail

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Jun 4, 2001, 7:53:38 PM6/4/01
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> > What is the difference between a York and a Hereford?

The distances:

York:
6 dozen @ 100 yards
4 dozen @ 80 yards
2 dozen @ 60 yards


Hereford:
6 dozen @ 80 yards
4 dozen @ 60 yards
2 dozen @ 50 yards

HTH,

-Mac


shadyshark

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Jun 5, 2001, 5:30:29 AM6/5/01
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They are both 12 dozen rounds, split 6 dozen at the longest distance,
4 dozen at the middle distance and 2 dozen at the shortest distance.
The York is the main gents round, the Hereford the main ladies round,
for imperial distances.
The difference between them is that the York distances are 100 yards,
80 yards and 60 yards, while the Hereford distances are 80 yards, 60
yards and 50 yards. The Hereford is also known as a "Bristol 1" (I
think) - so men can shoot it as well without being labelled as
shooting the ladies round...<sigh>.

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Stefan W. Christensen

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Jun 7, 2001, 7:37:06 AM6/7/01
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My arrows weigh 28 grams; probably not the lightest ones around.

As for reaching the distances you mentioned; I am sure that I could do
that but, unfortunately, my sight (Shibuya double click) won't play
ball at those longer distances. Haven't tried turning it around,
pointing backwards, yet though. Maybe that would do the trick.

Stefan

John Grove

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Jun 10, 2001, 5:43:01 PM6/10/01
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> Haven't tried turning it around,
>pointing backwards, yet though. Maybe that would do the trick.

Do it, turn it round. That's the way we shot 100 yards with medium
weight bows before carbons came along
--
John Grove

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