Muscle Bound Archers: 100-110 lb. Draw Weights

[Mike & Lynn Key]

I've heard of some bowhunters who pull 100-110 lb. bows. Who makes bows for
that kind of draw weight? The most I've seen are 80 lb. bows. Also what kind
of speed do these muscle bound archers get? Are we talking about 400-500
fps?

Me? I'm content with 65 lbs. I ain't no Hulk. :>D

---
Cordially, R. Michael Key

"Extremism in the pursuit of prudence is no vice"--Greasy Fingers, Chicago
Gangsters

"I stink, therefore I offend"--Da Card, Greasy Fingers' little brother

[Otter]

Your right 65 lbs is just fine. That will shoot clean through a deer.
Now if I were hunting moose or elk I may opt for the higher poundage bows.

[Han Su Kim]

When someone says 100 lbs, they aren't talking about compounds anymore as I
know NO manufacturer that makes that kind of weight.

These guys are talking about longbows from the past where they used to be
"macho"

Someone told me the average English longbow in medevil times were somewhere
in the range of over 100 lbs, like 150 lbs and supposedly they HELD the
ANCHOR.

Anyone I know that shoot these kinds of weights snap shoot them and no they
don't get 500 FPS =). A 70 lbs new technology single cam bow will still be
faster I think.

Han Su Kim

[Sven T. Reichelt 'Office']

Es schrob Han Su Kim:

>Someone told me the average English longbow in medevil times were somewhere
>in the range of over 100 lbs, like 150 lbs

That is right!

> and supposedly they HELD the
>ANCHOR.

That is not right.

With the 150 lbs bows, the english bowmen in a war
were shooting only in a 45 degree angle to fend the
hostile army.

In such a case, where 6000 bowmen were shooting together
there was no need for aiming.

--

Sven

[Miika Aulio]

>When someone says 100 lbs, they aren't talking about compounds anymore as I
>know NO manufacturer that makes that kind of weight.

PSE Gorilla, 100 lbs as a standard. Yes, I was present when it was drawn to
anchor. It is also currently made.

Miika

[Harry Jiles]

They had one of these several years ago at the big hunting & fishing
exposition at Rosemont, IL. It had a draw weight of 108 lbs. You could pay
$5 for an opportunity to try and draw it. If you drew it you got your $5
back and a tee shirt. If you failed, they kept your $5 for a local charity.
I drew it 3 times in succession. It was actually a pretty smooth drawing
bow, but I sure don't think I would want to hunt with it.

Harry

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[Peik Borud]

Han Su Kim <x.r...@mindspring.com> WROTE:
<7ra1vc$oga$1...@nntp2.atl.mindspring.net>...

> When someone says 100 lbs, they aren't talking about compounds anymore as I
> know NO manufacturer that makes that kind of weight.
>

> These guys are talking about longbows from the past where they used to be
> "macho"
>

This isn't all that strange: About 10 years ago when I was a young
active shooter, I used to "test" myself and buddies with a 50 kg
spring scale. 50KG x 2.22 = 111 Lbs. We attached a strap to make
a normal drawlength, and most of the guys bottomed the thing,
pulling maybe 115 Lbs. It was a bit a uncomfortable to pull, so I
felt I would have been able to draw bow that was a good bit heavier.

Longbows have a slack drawforce curve just like the scales, the
weight develops at the end of the draw where the body has a
geometrical advantage, so it's much easier to draw than a recurve
or compund.
I remember we had a Bear Delta V 70 Lbs with a squarish curve.
I used to have the club record pumping it up and down 20 times in
quick succession. I feel that this is a more demanding task than
doing something similar with a 100 Lbs longbow.

I have an old ROCO longbow weighing about 40 Lbs which doesn't
propel an arrow any faster than a recurve of about 1/2 that weight.
In my old longbow handbook they say that shooting less than
about 60 Lbs is a distinct disadvantage at 90 metre target (this
book is from 1938). Todays recurves manage fine at 40 Lbs or less.

AN 80 Lbs compound will kill anything that walks the Earth today

--
Peik Borud
Norway
peik(at)online.no

[William Pearson]

Otter wrote:
>
> Your right 65 lbs is just fine. That will shoot clean through a deer.
> Now if I were hunting moose or elk I may opt for the higher poundage bows.

I have taken moose and elk with my bow set at 60-65 (not sure cause I
just shoot in my arrows)and it has never failed to drop my target.. I
shoot aluminum because they are far quieter..My theory is the lighter
the arrow the more noise the bow makes.

wPm
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[Kenneth Laux]

Well, according to John Keegan's account of the battle of Agincourt (1415) in
_The Face of Battle_, initially the English archers were shooting at 45 deg as
you say, in the general direction of the French knights 1000 yards or further
away. But they continued to shoot as the knights approached, and presumably
would have been aiming as they drew to within, say, 100 yards.

However, Keegan admits that his reconstruction of the battle is based on
conjecture as well as eyewitness accounts.

Ken

[John R Grove]

A few years ago I shot a County Championship, York round 144 arrows,
with a longbow shooter who claimed his arrows were following the same
trajectory as my x7's from a 40lbs recurve. His bow was marked 100lbs
draw weight, when I tried it there was no way I could draw it more than
about 12". However the "Little John Bow"(one of the only 2 surviving
medieval bows prior to the Mary Rose bows) has an estimated draw weight
of around 170lbs according to Longbow by Robert Hardy.
--
John R Grove

[Kill Zone]

A company (Forget which) came out with a "Dan Fitzgerald" model a few years
back. If I remember correctly it was a 100# draw.

[John Dickmon]

I believe the current record is held by Gary Sentman of Sentman Longbows @
186lbs

I see regularly Howard Hill style longbows rated at 100+ lbs draw weight.

But then again, they were regularly killing deer in Michigan with 40 and 45lb
bows in the '30's, '40's and '50's.

John Dickmon
One man, one bow, several arrows

[SPAMnet]

On Thu, 9 Sep 1999 21:11:00 -0400, "Mike & Lynn Key" <fla...@ibm.net>
wrote:

>I've heard of some bowhunters who pull 100-110 lb. bows. Who makes bows for

Snip
Long bows from the Mary Rose ( Henry the VIII ship that sank have been
tested at 120lbs to 180 lbs draw weight, but think on the archers of
those days HAD To Practice by law and outside every church which it
was compulsory to attend were buts where one had to practice after
church and most evenings after a very long working day.
today we are wimps.
Neil.

>Me? I'm content with 65 lbs. I ain't no Hulk. :>D
>
>
>---
>Cordially, R. Michael Key
>
>"Extremism in the pursuit of prudence is no vice"--Greasy Fingers, Chicago
>Gangsters
>
>"I stink, therefore I offend"--Da Card, Greasy Fingers' little brother
>
>

Neil Cairns cr...@cwcom.net
Home Rule for Yorkshire
ICQ 29508553

[m.anthony]

cr...@cwcom.NO SPAMnet (Neil Cairns) wrote in message

"Long bows from the Mary Rose ( Henry the VIII ship that sank have been
tested at 120lbs to 180 lbs draw weight, but think on the archers of those
days HAD To Practice by law and outside every church which it was compulsory
to attend were buts where one had to practice after
church and most evenings after a very long working day. today we are
wimps."

All of this is quite correct, but at least we are wimps with, hopefully, a
back bone in reasonably good condition. Medieval bowmen practiced with very
high draw weights from an early age which meant that by the time of their
death (mid 30's or so, if they were lucky) the lower bones in their backs
were often fused together. The skeletons identified as archers from the
Mary Rose would have had the most appaling back problems simply as a result
of following their profession.

I think I'll stick to my longbow with a draw weight of 55 lbs safe in the
knowledge that I'm a wimp who can sit down :-)

Regards

Mike

[Joe Bloggs]

I too have heard of welsh longbowmens backs being "characteristic" of their
profession!

My back is a bit screwy and I wonder if it is from achery. I wonder....but I
dont care :-)

Mike

m.anthony <m.an...@newscientist.net> wrote in message
news:37da...@news1.vip.uk.com...

[The Hodge]

I shoot an 80lb Martin Fury and that's plenty awesome for me. I shudder at
the thought of an additional 30-35lb.... Good for shooting elephants I would
imagine:)

Pete

Mike & Lynn Key wrote in message <37d8...@news1.prserv.net>...

>I've heard of some bowhunters who pull 100-110 lb. bows. Who makes bows for

>that kind of draw weight? The most I've seen are 80 lb. bows. Also what
kind

>of speed do these muscle bound archers get? Are we talking about 400-500
>fps?
>

[vincen...@gmail.com]

Well you do have 100 lbs recurve bows or higher i actually got one myself. I weighted it till a 100 pounds because i didnt dare to try more weight on it. But your right there are none for sale you have to let them be custom made. Or you make one yourself like me i took a yew log its the best kind of wood for high poundage bows youre actually able to make a 200 to 220 pound bow from this kind of wood IF you have the right piece of wood!

But i wouldnt recommend this high poundage bows im a really muscular guy and i am able to pull it back. However im not! capable of shooting it with precission. So my recommendations are stick to a 65 or max a 80 for the bigger prey. there is a reason why these kinds of bows are called warbows
Gr. Dutch survival 010

[blayl...@gmail.com]

On Friday, September 10, 1999 3:00:00 AM UTC-4, William Pearson wrote:
> Otter wrote:
> >
> > Your right 65 lbs is just fine. That will shoot clean through a deer.
> > Now if I were hunting moose or elk I may opt for the higher poundage bows.
>
> I have taken moose and elk with my bow set at 60-65 (not sure cause I
> just shoot in my arrows)and it has never failed to drop my target.. I
> shoot aluminum because they are far quieter..My theory is the lighter
> the arrow the more noise the bow makes.

Use a stabilizer and some good string silencers. I do competitive archery, not hunting, but I find I get slightly less noise with a stabilizer. String silencers just make sense.

[icet...@gmail.com]

Here is a link to the site where you can purchase a 100+ pound bow it is known as a English War Bow with horn tips. Enjoy

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ENGLISH-WAR-BOW-w-HORN-TIPS-90-100-HIC-BAC-OR-CHOOSE-DESIRED-WT-UP-TO-130LBS-/271710872990?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f433ae59e

[Jim Breckenridge]

considering how heavy and stiff (spine) the arrows will have to be I
doubt speed would get much over 220 fps

[jare...@gmail.com]

I do have a longbow that I use 32 inches arrows with. I tested it with a scale equipped with a hook which maxed out at 80 lbs, it maxed before I was on 32 inches.
Thay made and used strong bows in ancient times.
I spock with a Norwegian masterbowman that has been compete for many years and he told me that that in some competitions used 100-150 lbs and more.

Also an interesting fact is that shouting with the arrow on the left side of the bow is a HOLLYWOOD invention! Old texts and pictures show that thay used to have the arrow on the right side of the bow. Among other things it results in faster shouting. The japanese still shout on the right side today and several great archers that use longbows or other bows as well!
Even if he tries to be a diva he still shoots well so look att this clip if you like and be amazed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

[spendi...@gmail.com]

100+lbs are usually custom made.

[jack.c...@gmail.com]

On Friday, 10 September 1999 08:00:00 UTC+1, Han Su Kim wrote:

> Someone told me the average English longbow in medevil times were somewhere

> in the range of over 100 lbs, like 150 lbs and supposedly they HELD the
> ANCHOR.

Professor Anne Curry who is chairing Agincourt600 because she is Britain's foremost expert said the Longbows which survived on the Mary Rose (the only samples ever found) were all between 60Ibs and 160Ibs .... but with the majority of them (the average) were between 90Ibs-120Ibs.

> Anyone I know that shoot these kinds of weights snap shoot them and no they
> don't get 500 FPS =). A 70 lbs new technology single cam bow will still be
> faster I think.

The heavier Draw-weight longbows were designed purely for range, always fired at 45 degree angle and set loose in vollys of 5000+ arrows. This disrupted the enemy at 250-300 yards. Hitting the enemy at range is better than close quarter combat.

The claim longbow arrows could pierce plate armour is proven true only at 20 yards (60 feet) and with the right style of arrow head.

All longbowmen had weapons for close quarter and fought with the rest of the army when the enemy were on them.

The longbowmen had to train with lower draw weight bows from the age of 7. As their strength increased as they grew older, the practice longbows became heavier to keep them progressing. An average man today who has not trained from 7 will be able to draw a 60Ibs bow about 6-7 times until muscle aches and fatigue stop them. The longbowmen of the day could draw a 100Ibs bow easier than an average man draws a 60Ibs bow - and do this 24 times in a battle.

The average bale of Arrows given to each longbowman had 24 arrows.

Longbows conform to the style of drawing by the bows owner, they become personalised.

Longbows made from laminated mixes of wood do not draw as smoothly as longbows made from a single stave of wood.

[latha...@gmail.com]

Im 14 and i have a recurve that i had tested and it has a 100lb test and its easy to pull back but the normal ones are usually 50 to 75 lb and they shoot between 200 to 300 fps and mine shoots 500 fps and its made out of hickory and oak glued together and i can accurately shoot a deer from the leng of 2 and a half football feilds

[langd...@gmail.com]

You have to order them from specific bowyers they are all handmade nowadays. And when you are shooting that high of poundage, it's what I like to shoot, you have to hand-make your own arrows as well so the spine strength will hold. The thing is, when you look at the arrows that are used traditionally with these bows, they are 1200 to 1500 grains, so you're basically shooting a tree. Modern arrows are usually less than 400 grains, so the speed of the arrow is faster with lighter bows and lighter arrows, but the knock down power with the bigger bows is unmatched. A 60 lbs bow shooting a 280 grain arrow will pass through basically anything, and leave a decent hole, a 100 lbs bow and a 1200 grain arrow will pass through and leave devastation. Both will kill even bear just as dead. The only reason I like to shoot heavy bows is for the history side. One last thing, if you miss with a heavy bow and arrows like that, they are gone, if they hit a tree, you have eight inches of shaft buried in that tree.

[cowboy...@gmail.com]

I have a 70 lb. Pull on my compound bow and it shoots about 320 fps who h is rudely 216.7 miles per hour I believe.

[poops...@gmail.com]

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[charle...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, September 9, 1999 at 2:00:00 AM UTC-5, Mike & Lynn Key wrote:
> I've heard of some bowhunters who pull 100-110 lb. bows. Who makes bows for
> that kind of draw weight? The most I've seen are 80 lb. bows. Also what kind
> of speed do these muscle bound archers get? Are we talking about 400-500
> fps?
>
> Me? I'm content with 65 lbs. I ain't no Hulk. :>D
>
>
> ---
> Cordially, R. Michael Key
>
> "Extremism in the pursuit of prudence is no vice"--Greasy Fingers, Chicago
> Gangsters
>
> "I stink, therefore I offend"--Da Card, Greasy Fingers' little brother

I used to hunt with an old man back in the 70's who used a 105lb longbow for dear hunting. He got his dear every year although some of them looked like they'd been shot by a rifle. The damage that thing would do was amazing. I could draw and shot it with accuracy but I could string the damn thing.

[sack...@gmail.com]

Han Su Kim, I know this is a very old post, but I’m a longbow archer. During its heyday, the English longbow was between 80 and 100 lbs. The arrow had to fly a couple of hundred yards and still have enough power to deeply penetrate plate armor and horse flesh (I know there are YouTube videos that “prove” arrows could not penetrate plate, just as there are videos proving that they can). Men began training at age 7, and aiming was done by just looking at the target. They drew, set themselves for maybe 1 second, then loosed. They learned to put the arrow into whatever target they were looking at before they even drew the string back. Had they tried to hold a fully drawn bow like in movies, they would become exhausted pretty quickly. I’ve been trying to get close to that good, but I never will be.

Three Rivers Archery (3riversarchery.com) sells kits that allow you to build your own longbow, up to 100 lbs. draw weight, by adding layers of laminate that come in the kit. My own longbow is only 50 lbs. because I have had two spinal cord injuries. I want to try to upgrade to a 65 or 80 if my back can handle it, just to see what it was like back in the day, but that would entail purchasing the bow, plus however many arrows I would have to have made for it with the correct spine, but I can’t justify the expense at the moment for a bow that I might not be able to shoot.

[Nicolas Casting]

One debate you might find interesting, about heavy bows (3-4 years ago):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvWOT0AyEV8


User "Xaviar J S" said:
I really like the idea but 50lbs., not for me... with the draw lock
mechanism and if the bow could come with a 80-90lbs limbs I'd be
interested..


User "nightowl8936" answered:
+Xaviar J S 90 lbs is crazy, especially for efficient compound bows that
have lots of energy integrated into its draw cycle. I do think you were
trying to show off your machoness with such talk. Draw weights like that
were the norm for English longbow men and their skeletons were deformed
as a result of that kind of poundage. If you need 80-90 pounds, its only
because of your ego.


User "Xaviar J S" (this comment actually appears on that page before the
last one I copied above here, maybe that's last first or maybe one was
deleted):
+nightowl8936 B
Both my Mathews are set at 90lbs for safari hunting, I'm NOT looking for
speed, I'm looking for down range energy .. I ask an Honest question with
no disrespect intended, now being called a fool, T.P. Off and you can
definitely G F Y


User "Roberto Aguirre"
+nightowl8936 interesting info about the skeletons... you know where I
can research that info?Thanks.



Regards
N.C.

[Nicolas Casting]

I'm adding the title of the video under which that debate took place,
just in case the URL changes (I saw that happening a couple of times on
YouTube), so it could still be located through a search:

"50 lbs Delta Bow holds in coking position , I appreciate comments and
opinions!!"

[jeffrey...@gmail.com]

Heavy as heck! Cool to have and infrequently able. Not particularly strong in term of "killing instrument"...just so dang cumbersome. Few pulls and long rests...preys are long gone.

[spectrum...@gmail.com]

On Friday, September 10, 1999 at 12:00:00 AM UTC-7, Han Su Kim wrote:
> When someone says 100 lbs, they aren't talking about compounds anymore as I
> know NO manufacturer that makes that kind of weight.
>
> These guys are talking about longbows from the past where they used to be
> "macho"

>
> Someone told me the average English longbow in medevil times were somewhere
> in the range of over 100 lbs, like 150 lbs and supposedly they HELD the
> ANCHOR.
>

> Anyone I know that shoot these kinds of weights snap shoot them and no they
> don't get 500 FPS =). A 70 lbs new technology single cam bow will still be
> faster I think.
>

> Han Su Kim

The reason a compound can shoot faster is because compounds are designed to shoot light carbon arrows where as for a longbow that shoots the same weight to not break it has to use a much heavier arrow. Also because of this the weight of the arrow for a longbow or recurve is what allows it to penetrate instead of speed. For example my 45lb longbow with arrow, brass insert and field point is at least 600 grains. My compound which I have the draw at 55lbs as of now the arrow is probably going faster at 50 yards than my longbow shoots and 10 yards.

[John Barron]

On Thursday, September 24, 2015 at 1:34:06 PM UTC-5, latha...@gmail.com wrote:
> Im 14 and i have a recurve that i had tested and it has a 100lb test and its easy to pull back but the normal ones are usually 50 to 75 lb and they shoot between 200 to 300 fps and mine shoots 500 fps and its made out of hickory and oak glued together and i can accurately shoot a deer from the leng of 2 and a half football feilds

I bet it's fun to look back from time to time and have a chuckle at this fairy tale. I mean after all, what 14-year old boy wouldn't have a draw weight ego and fantasize about impossible bows?

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