What did Bronze Age weapons look like , and how were they made
kangarooistan
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The swords from the Bronze Age represent some of the finest work of
the bronze smiths 3000 years ago, and in books, archaeologists
encompass it with a few simple words ‘they made moulds of clay and
cast swords’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bronze_spearhead_mold.JPG
One half of a bronze mould for casting a spear head, found at East
Pennard, England.
Dated to the period 1400-1000 BC, it is without parallels.
Photographed in the Somerset County Museum, Taunton, on 29-Oct-05.
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/images/bronze%20flat%20axe.jpg
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/images/bronze%20spearhead.jpg
Bronze
An alloy of copper and tin first near the end of the 3rd millennium
BC for tools, decoration, axes, daggers, swords and pins and giving
its name to the period we now know as the Bronze Age. The two material
were mixed in the quantities of 88% copper 12% tin and heated to
around 1200 degrees centigrade before the molten metal was poured into
clay or stone moulds. These were then broken open and the item
polished, ground or sharpened to make the finished article.
Today the casting of a sword has become a bit of a holy grail, by
many even though some of the results are quite good, they always fall
far short of the quality and elegance of those of the Bronze Age metal
workers.
Why could it be the bronze smiths who cast the swords 3000 years ago
were absolute masters; with a lifetime’s accumulation of experience
and skill, some of it passed down over the years, possibly from father
to son or an apprenticeship.
One of the first things you notice if you look at Bronze Age metal
work, is that blade length was always at the edge of casting
technology, and even from the early Bronze Age, bronze daggers had
their handles riveted on, so all the casting length was in the blade.
As the early Bronze Age metal worker developed his skill in casting
daggers using both clay and stone moulds, They managed to push the
blades longer.
From the middle Bronze Age these blades, some of them over 24 inches
in length, are known as rapiers:
the blades tend to be very narrow and the handles are still riveted
on. in the past it was assumed these long narrow stabbing blades were
not very successful in battle, and were more likely worn as symbols of
rank.
However more recent work has shown these were very efficient weapons.
Figsbury Ring Sword
The Figsbury Ring sword (above) and a similar reproduction (below).
Recently research on blade damage has pointed to some of the damage
being deliberately inflicted by other blades, possibly from battle,
but it’s also possible that swords were ritually broken or “killed” on
the death of their owner.
One other major step in technology, which is often overlooked, is the
forging of blade edges.
This starts with the early Bronze Age with the arrival of beaker
copper blades, probably done with hand held stone tools.
But the work on later bronze daggers 2000BC is so incredibly neat
that they must have been done with bronze anvils set in guides with
the blades being drawn between them whilst being hammered.
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
This style of Recasso edging continues in nearly all bronze edged
weapons throughout the Bronze Age including spears.
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/AncientMiningResearchSouthAustralia#
Blade edge detail , Experiments in edge forging
The copper alloy used in later swords seems to rotate around 8-9% tin
and 1-3% lead; it’s generally assumed the lead was added to improve
the flow of the bronze for difficult castings.
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/NuggetsSouthAustralia#
Indeed some of the Wilburton swords have very narrow section handles,
which would make it difficult to get bronze though to fill the mould.
The later Ewart Park swords have slightly thicker section in the
handle, which must have improved things. All swords were cast through
the handle, whereas rapiers could be cast from either end when cast in
stone moulds.
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
http://www.bronze-age-craft.com/swordcasting.htm
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The RACE is on to locate the "big prizes" in south Australian Ancient
Mining District
Its now only a matter of time until some clever Archaeologists join
the dots
http://www.stone-circles.org.uk/stone/fullglossary.htm
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Peter Alaca
> Bronze Age Mine Research South Australia
> The swords from the Bronze Age represent ...
Now show us some South Australian Bronze Age Swords and axe heads,
especially of Egyptian en NW European stile.
> [...]
kangarooistan
That REAL easy mate
Simply LOOK at the SHAPE of the marks they LEFT on the rocks
Its not rocket science mate
The PICS are in the LINKS , if you bother to LOOK , and you
understand history and archaeology its ALL there waiting
Sadly peter I suspect you are simply NOT prepared to bother even
looking mate
Bronze Age Mine Research South Australia
sci.archaeology, soc.culture.egyptian, alt.history, alt.archaeology
Peter Alaca
> On Jun 5, 8:31 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 05/06/2010 13:00 wrote:
>>> Bronze Age Mine Research South Australia
>>> The swords from the Bronze Age represent ...
>> Now show us some South Australian Bronze Age Swords and axe heads,
>> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile.
>>> [...]
> That REAL easy mate
> Simply LOOK at the SHAPE of the marks they LEFT on the rocks
> Its not rocket science mate
No, so stop bullshitting and show us some South Australian
Bronze Age swords and axe heads, especially of Egyptian en
NW European stile.
> [...]
George
> No, so stop bullshitting and show us some South Australian
> Bronze Age swords and axe heads, especially of Egyptian en
> NW European stile.
>
You're going to be waiting a -very- long time as kangakook is strong
on claim and empty on evidence.
You'd imagine that Aboriginal rock art would have recorded all that
activity just as they did when the first European arrived..
kangarooistan
On Jun 5, 9:12 pm, Peter Alaca <pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
> kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> 05/06/2010 13:54 wrote:
>
> > On Jun 5, 8:31 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
> >> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 05/06/2010 13:00 wrote:
> >>> Bronze Age Mine Research South Australia
> >>> The swords from the Bronze Age represent ...
> >> Now show us some South Australian Bronze Age Swords and axe heads,
> >> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile.
> >>> [...]
> > That REAL easy mate
> > Simply LOOK at the SHAPE of the marks they LEFT on the rocks
> > Its not rocket science mate
>
.
> No, so stop bullshitting and show us some South Australian
> Bronze Age swords and axe heads, especially of Egyptian en
> NW European stile.
>
> > [...]
of their presence at a site?
.
If they are genuine they make a compelling case WITHOUT any other
evidence
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478131177548220370
To you this is just a snap ,
.
To a researcher it holds over 20 years of part time questioning to
establish exactly what it is , and why it is where it was , to record
the findings so the professional teams can move in and work the site
over ONCE the basic site is researched fully and a overall plan
implemented
.
people like YOU mate need to wait UNTIL the research is finished ,so
we can show you a pretty picture that you can understand these things
mate
Please go back and watch the football until we are ready for
spectators mate , Unless you are PREPARED to "invest the time" , you
are ONLY wasting YOUR valuable time , and mine , it will take DECADES
before we are ready for spectators like YOU mate
They are daily discovering NEW stuff even in ROME and Egypt and London
after centuries of field work , so it will be at the South Australian
"GREENFIELD" ancient Bronze Age mine settlement
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MOST people , including YOU mate are simply NOT interested enough to
even bother reading the posted messages , let alone examining them ,
OR visiting the sites ,
Because YOU are not even remotely interested , DOES NOT MEAN my
findings are invalid
They are not YET of impressive nature , but to a REAL archaeologist
its is ROLLED GOLD EVIDENCE
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/NuggetsSouthAustralia#
Bronze Age tools were INDEED worked at that site
It is a " footprint " / proof bronze Age tools were shaped / sharpened
at that site a VERY long time ago
Similar to ancient Bronze Age mine sites all around the world
exist , a passer by would NEVER even notice them , indeed after a few
centuries nature reclaims them almost completely , it takes a trained
EYE and patience to locate and then identify the artifacts correctly
The EVIDENCE is there in VAST amounts , for those actually INTERESTED
in these things ,I suspect the area around Mount Barker to yield VAST
amounts of work for the next 100 years , once its realized its a
"GREENFIELD" unlooted ancient Bronze Age "gift on a plate"
Naturally "pretend" archaeologists and the general public need glossy
pics and statues to hold their attention , thats perfectly normal
Ancient history is not for everybody , no shame in that , I hate
football , you HATE ancient history
EVEN I myself can not visit every beautiful new discovery , and must
simply watch on with interest , and I LOVE ancient history , all NEW
sites take decades to "unearth" a basic understanding and this site
will be no different , it will take decades at LEAST probably
centuries
There IS a VAST ancient Bronze Age Mine in South Australia
The Turin Gold Map "Mine" , IS located in South Australia , near
Mount Barker
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Ancient and Modern Gold Mining near Mount Barker, South Australia
Arindam Banerjee Investigator
Adda Enterprises: Cutting-edge research
http://adda-enterprises.com/peramangk/goldmine.htm
==========================================================
Remember Mohendjodaro / The Banerjee family enjoy ancient history
enough to visit the site Site In South Australia , recently to take a
quick look ,
Mr Arindam Barnerjee and I spent a day looking at the Turin Papyrus
Gold Mine site , I have a few snaps here on that site as well, seems
its a genetic thing in HIS family , they all LOVE real ancient
history
.
I have a few snaps HERE for those interested enough they could locate
the Turin Papyrus Gold Mine from these pics IF they wanted to , but
most people actually need even more detailed EVIDENCE , they need a
SIGN saying Bronze Age Gold MINE , turn right at next intersection ,
they must wait until after we FINISH our work , several decades at
least
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/FabianSouthAustralianAncientMineSite#5457759890012952290
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I assumed for a while the readers here liked history too , until I
got to know better
sci.archaeology, soc.culture.egyptian, alt.history, alt.archaeology
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The entire site is over 100 km long and 50 km wide so it takes months
to even visit the site in reality , and it will take centuries to
DIG the site , it was several thousand YEARS to dig in the first
place, on maps its almost marked out on maps as " Peramangk " peoples
country , and Its almost CERTAIN they are descendants from the
earlier workers , as any detailed examination can find the necessary
Linguistic and cultural EVIDENCE that was left behind STILL seen in
their different practices to other Australian Aboriginal peoples
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peramangk
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MOST people really dont care, and thats the same every where , an
ancient mine site WILL NEVER be a popular day trip , there REALLY is
very little to SEE after 3000 plus years , UNLESS you know what to
look for AND are genuinely , interested enough to ACTUALLY go look
touch and SMELL the evidence , , its all just pics on a computer
screen to 99.99% of the worlds population , who are not the SLIGHTEST
bit interested in some remote lost mine , similar in 1000 other sites
of equal value all around the planet mate , its not a BBQ stopper as
we say in Australia , we all know history is as boring as shit to most
people UNLESS its their OWN history they really are NOT interested
enough to do the HARD or the boring bits , a long lonely road we
all tread who seek out the long lost past
BUT mate , Your LACK of interest , IS NOT EVIDENCE IM WRONG
.
You have NOT even bothered to view the evidence presented , NOR have
YOU even visited any of the sites in question , or examined a single
piece of the THOUSANDS of artifacts already recovered , YET
Until you have examined all the available evidence and sites your POV
is baseless and worthless mate.So with all due respect it really
matters NOT what you " think " until AFTER you examine the available
evidence completely
.
Those who laugh loudest by exposing their POV publically may regret
it in future
.
PLEASE go back and watch the football for a few more decades , until
the REAL archaeological is finished , and you can step forward again
to pretend to be an expert AGAIN mate , future generations will decide
who was right , and they wont even remember YOUR name or mine mate ,
nor the name of YOUR favorite football team , what you or I think ,
it matters NOT , only FACTS on site matter , and it is YOU who have
NO FACTS, you aint even bothered to read them , yet have formed an
opinion , without even a single VISIT to the site , MY evidences are "
RAW working notes" from the FIELD , and remain open to
interpretation and verification in DUE time , I share them in good
faith as I KNOW it will take dozens of people YEARS to examine the
sites in any depth
Several locations LOOK like WORLD CLASS "dig" potential to me , in due
time we shall see
REAL Archaeology is stuck in the REAL world , with the fragmentary
remains that require careful interpretation BY EXPERTS in the field ,
and a good
.understanding of the local site AND most importantly , "brits" used
entire Cities as Railway ballast , despite knowing it was and
ANCIENT civilization / town THEY simply did not CARE , its EXACTLY
the same in South Australia , the new comers simply DON'T care what
happened 3000 years ago and a very very HAPPY to pretend nothing ever
happened of any value BEFORE they arrived
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohenjo-daro
.
It was the local man Mr Banerjee , who opened up the IVC , a culture
that rivaled Egypt in its time , the but lost completely from history
until very recent years
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rakhaldas_Bandyopadhyay
Re discovered after hundreds of years of ignorant western criminal
occupational abuse of the local heritage , SAME as in South
Australia , the brits simply DON'T CARE what happened anywhere before
THEY arrived , they always do everything in their power to wipe out
the past and leave THEM as saviors of the world and all that is good
Mohenjo-daro was built around 2600 BCE and abandoned around 1500 BCE.
It was rediscovered in 1922 by Rakhaldas Bandyopadhyay [1], an officer
of the Archaeological Survey of India.
Most people NEED to glossy presentation seen in tourist sites to
inspire their interest , a sight not seen in the cold raw sites , it
simply confuses amatuers and the general public , after seeing docos
on Ancient Egypt they expect all manner of TREASURES to be lined up ,
a passing glance is not enough to prove anything mate, so best go WAIT
a few more decades until we finish the REAL exciting bit and can hand
the site over to the tourist operators , WHEN we have finished .
.
THEY will put up the petty bits under glass for you to SEE , after
paying a fee THEY will show you the " bronze swords "and chisels that
made these marks
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
And these chisel arks too , 20 km away at the copper mines , marks
left in the stone cut by the chisels , were sharpened on the above
"vitrified sharpening stone"
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VeryOldStoneBuildingsSouthAustralia#5466592456306945714
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People like you would not even NOTICE 3000 year old artifacts if they
BIT you on the BUM mate , they are NOTHING like what you see
reconstructed in Museums when we find them
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/AncientMiningResearchSouthAustralia#5457486605114653986
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/AncientMiningResearchSouthAustralia#5457717621759800434
Most people would not even notice these beautiful stone blocks I found
near Milang in South Australia were they loaded the ships bound for
the Ancient world Empires from Pi-Ramesses Aa-nakhtu , with Gum
Resin, Copper ,TIN , gold , Murex Snails and sandal wood timbers ,
and left behind stone blocks as ballast from the ancient world now
turning up in the old stone walls nearby , but please DONT tell
anybody mate , its our little secret
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/FieldTripSundayToMilangLakesAndThursadayAtMayoOffice#5473598280639622802
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avaris
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Eventually they will DISCOVER the earliest know pictures of Australian
Aboriginals are THESE on the walls of Hatsheput Temple in Egypt ,
often referred to as the KING of PUNT , clearly from the Peramangk
Tribe from Mount Barker in South Australia , as are the fish and
plants and houses and goods mentioned in the text
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At times, the ancient Egyptians called Punt Ta netjer, meaning "God's
Land".[18] This referred to the fact that it was among the regions of
the Sun God, that is, the regions located in the direction of the
sunrise, to the East of Egypt. These eastern regions resources
included products used in temples, notably incense.see pics below
House and resin trees from Punt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Punt2.JPG
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Punthouse02.jpg
http://catalogue.nla.gov.au/fcgi-bin/nlathumb.fcgi?id=2317717&mode=
http://lamington.nrsm.uq.edu.au/images/plant/Xanth3.jpg
http://www.rareplants.de/shop/uploads/images_products/8256.jpg
http://img.search.com/thumb/d/d6/Indig1.jpg/250px-Indig1.jpg
Simply ASK any Peramangk BURKA MAN ,[ older man or king in some
languages ] what the scars on this woman MEAN
Clearly She is a very SENIOR, Peramangk , senior " oldwoman" or
QUEEN in some languages , the SCARS are clearly PERAMANGK , and
indicate her high rank , yes she is also over weight very NORMAL in
older Peramangk womens culture , food was always plentiful
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_of_punt.jpg
http://www.jamesjarratt.com/images/punt_prince.gif
Older Peramangk women married much younger men , as SEEN in the
Egyptian painting
known as Tukkupartapartanna – a woman of knowledge. It was at this
time that the woman would gain more scars upon her arms and chest.
After giving birth to several children, the older women would often be
married off to much younger men (about the age of 25).
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&channel=s&q=aboriginal+women+chevron+scars&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=
According to the temple reliefs, the Land of Punt was ruled at that
time by King Parahu and Queen Ati.[11] This well illustrated
expedition of Hatshepsut occurred in Year 9 of the female pharaoh's
reign with the blessing of the god Amun:
“ Said by Amen, the Lord of the Thrones of the Two Land: 'Come,
come in peace my daughter, the graceful, who art in my heart, King
Maatkare [ie. Hatshepsut]...I will give thee Punt, the whole of it...I
will lead your soldiers by land and by water, on mysterious shores,
which join the harbours of incense...They will take incense as much as
they like. They will load their ships to the satisfaction of their
hearts with trees of green [ie. fresh] incense, and all the good
things of the land.'[12] ”
While the Egyptians "were not particularly well versed in the hazards
of sea travel, and the long voyage to Punt, must have seemed something
akin to a journey to the moon for present-day explorers...the rewards
of [obtaining frankincense, ebony and myrrh] clearly outweighted the
risks."[13]
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache%3AkcgIHSZXLm0J%3Awww.samuseum.sa.gov.au%2FJournals%2FTRSSA%2FTRSSA_V040%2FTRSSA_V040_p001p008.pdf+hahndorf+yacca+gum&hl=en&gl=au
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A NOTE ON THE OCCURRENCE AND METHOD OF
FORMATION OF THE RESIN (YACCA GUM) IN
XANTHORRHOEA QUADRANGULATA
BY PROFESSOR T. G. B. OSBORN, M.SC.
Summary
References to the utilization of the resin of Xanthorrhoea species
(the Australian "Grass Tree"), commonly known as "Yacca Gum," as a
source of picric acid, in addition to its value as a varnish, are to
be found in various encyclopaedic works.
(1)
In September last the Faculty of Science of the University of Adelaide
was asked by the Hon. the Minister of Agriculture to investigate the
matter further, with, amongst other things, a view to the more
profitable working of the natural supplies
existing in parts of this State, especially on Kangaroo Island. The
majority of the questions asked were upon chemical points, but some
referred to the possibility of methods of harvesting the resin other
than that at present in vogue, which involves a destruction of the
grass trees.
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Do you know what sort of evidence do YOU think is likely to be found
at a mining site 3000 years old
kanga
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Peter Alaca
> .
> On Jun 5, 9:12 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 05/06/2010 13:54 wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 8:31 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>>>> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 05/06/2010 13:00 wrote:
>>>>> Bronze Age Mine Research South Australia
>>>>> The swords from the Bronze Age represent ...
>>>> Now show us some South Australian Bronze Age Swords and axe heads,
>>>> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile.
>>>>> [...]
>>> That REAL easy mate
>>> Simply LOOK at the SHAPE of the marks they LEFT on the rocks
>>> Its not rocket science mate
>> No, so stop bullshitting and show us some South Australian
>> Bronze Age swords and axe heads, especially of Egyptian en
>> NW European stile.
>>> [...]
> Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
> of their presence at a site?
You are not talking about dinosaurs, mate
Show us some South Australian Bronze Age swords and axe heads,
especially of Egyptian en NW European stile, mate.
[rest of shitmates from Kangakookystan snipped].
Tom McDonald
<snip>
> Simply ASK any Peramangk BURKA MAN ,[ older man or king in some languages
> ] what the scars on this woman MEAN
>
> Clearly She is a very SENIOR, Peramangk , senior " oldwoman" or QUEEN
> in some languages , the SCARS are clearly PERAMANGK , and indicate her
> high rank , yes she is also over weight very NORMAL in older Peramangk
> womens culture , food was always plentiful .
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_of_punt.jpg
> http://www.jamesjarratt.com/images/punt_prince.gif
But see:
http://www.edoj.org.eg/vol001/00102/07/quine%20punt.htm
"Queen of Punt shows rugged face, gluteal and femoral obesity, hyperlordosis
and symmetrical deposits of fat on the trunk, limbs and thighs (Fig. 1)."
"At Cairo museum, on Queen Hatshepsut�s tomb in Deir el Bahari,is showed the
chief Parihou with his wife Ati, Queen of Punt, (not still geographically
established: Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan?) while they offer
gifts to the Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut (1516-1481 BC). Naval expedition to
the mysterious land of Punt was undertaken in the summer of Hatshepsut�s
eighth year as queen, she sent a fleet of five ships, headed by her
Chancellor Senenmet.
Queen of Punt shows rugged face, gluteal and femoral obesity, hyperlordosis
and symmetrical deposits of fat on the trunk, limbs and thighs (Fig. 1).
Figure (1)
"Bioanthropological and medical geneticist has a lot studied the Queen of
Punt, died nearly 34 centuries ago, in order to place a precise diagnosis,
but with many difficulties not having a mummy for such disposition.
Moreover the clinical picture seems to be a single phenotype grouping
several dermatologic pathologies (Launois Bensaude� Lipomatosis,
Neurofibromatosis, Lipodystrophy, Dercum disease, Achondroplasia, Proteus
syndrome and X linked dominant hypophosphatemic rickets, Familial obesity)
therefore I share the same opinion of Farag, Sabry and Iskantar consequently
hypothesize that it can be coined a new pathology named �Queen of Punt
Syndrome�."
What you are claiming to be scarifications are actually the obesity,
hyperlordosis and symmetrical fat deposits mentioned above.
Whatever she is, you have to provide much, much better evidence than a
couple of misinterpreted tomb images to make the Queen of Punt a Peramangk
woman.
--
Tom
kangarooistan
> kangarooistan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Simply ASK any Peramangk BURKA MAN ,[ older man or king in some languages
> > ] what the scars on this woman MEAN
>
> > Clearly She is a very SENIOR, Peramangk , senior " oldwoman" or QUEEN
> > in some languages , the SCARS are clearly PERAMANGK , and indicate her
> > high rank , yes she is also over weight very NORMAL in older Peramangk
> > womens culture , food was always plentiful .
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_of_punt.jpg
> >http://www.jamesjarratt.com/images/punt_prince.gif
>
> But see:
>
> http://www.edoj.org.eg/vol001/00102/07/quine%20punt.htm
>
> "Queen of Punt shows rugged face, gluteal and femoral obesity, hyperlordosis
> and symmetrical deposits of fat on the trunk, limbs and thighs (Fig. 1)."
>
> chief Parihou with his wife Ati, Queen of Punt, (not still geographically
> established: Yemen, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea, Sudan?) while they offer
> gifts to the Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut (1516-1481 BC). Naval expedition to
> eighth year as queen, she sent a fleet of five ships, headed by her
> Chancellor Senenmet.
> Queen of Punt shows rugged face, gluteal and femoral obesity, hyperlordosis
> and symmetrical deposits of fat on the trunk, limbs and thighs (Fig. 1).
> Figure (1)
>
> "Bioanthropological and medical geneticist has a lot studied the Queen of
> Punt, died nearly 34 centuries ago, in order to place a precise diagnosis,
> but with many difficulties not having a mummy for such disposition.
> Moreover the clinical picture seems to be a single phenotype grouping
> Neurofibromatosis, Lipodystrophy, Dercum disease, Achondroplasia, Proteus
> syndrome and X linked dominant hypophosphatemic rickets, Familial obesity)
> therefore I share the same opinion of Farag, Sabry and Iskantar consequently
> Syndrome ."
>
.
.
> What you are claiming to be scarifications are actually the obesity,
> hyperlordosis and symmetrical fat deposits mentioned above.
>
PROVE my POV
My POV is every bit as valid as any other POV on interpreting the
scene
no proof can be had other than the pic
AND in due time with the Turin Papyrus Gold Mine now CONFIRMED as
being located in South Australia , it wont be very hard to convince
open mined people that it IS a " representation of a PERAMANK woman
from 3000 years ago in Egypt
There is not a single possibility on earth that two IDENTICAL gold
mines exist that match the Turin Papyrus
IF the Turin Papyrus is GENUINE
Then I found the gold mine that it represents , in South Australia ,
and more and more EVIDENCE mounts daily ,
ONLY a fool still doubts that , and those who have yet to examine the
site , and those too ashamed t admit how wrong they have been
> Whatever she is, you have to provide much, much better evidence than a
> couple of misinterpreted tomb images to make the Queen of Punt a Peramangk
> woman.
> --
Hi Tom
Probably not" much " hope of doing anything more than "noting " what
the image and text say , not SURE how we could prove anything , but is
SURE looks to me like a Peramangk elder with her scars and younger
husband , and lend weight to MY THEORY
She appears over weight and unlike the so called KING being "youthfull
"
It was NORMAL for Peramank SENIOR women to gain more and MORE scars as
they rose in RANK , and have a VERY much younger husband with few if
any scars
An unusual practice continued until quite recent times and well
documented
I image the sight of this woman was probably quite A surprise to the
Artist who may have accentuated what he saw
I note her " full / big " HAIR matches the Peramangk wavy style
I note the name Per Amum Angk with some interest as well
I note several reference to the Mount barker Peramangk being slightly
red in colour IN SOME accounts although this may be a bit " iffy "
I note the written account of the gifts bought are a perfect match
I note the fish shown in the picture are in order and of interest
HOUSING matches perfectly
Plants match PERFECTLY
In regard to Land of PUNT I note the use at times of " short horned
cattle " being one point mentioned SEVERAL TIMES , it seems these
stood out and were worthy of mention several times , and Hapshesut
raves about her Green Resin from Punt , are you familiar with eg YACCA
GUM grass trees mate
I dispute references to " short Horned cattle ' mentioned in some
translation
i prefer " Horn LESS animals " to be more accurate
and that is almost CERTAINLY Australia , the only place HORN LESS
ANIMALS LIVE , the word CATTLE being the same as CHATTLEs , ie. any
animal of domestic value would be called cattle , sheep goats beef
oxen all = cattle [ chattle ] in some ancient documents , especially
before money was available , they were assets of trade
.
Its possible the artists were painting from rough sketches and or
word of mouth descriptions and may not be accurate
IF a doctor was TOLD a large age difference was likely , they MAY find
a DIFFERENT diagnosis
That a look at Truganini as she aged , compared to her as a younger
woman
.
http://www.nma.gov.au/collections-search/image?irn=11776
Simply ASK any Peramangk BURKA MAN ,[ older man or king in some
languages ] what the scars on this woman MEAN
Clearly She is a very SENIOR, Peramangk , senior " oldwoman" or
QUEEN in some languages , the SCARS are clearly PERAMANGK , and
indicate her high rank , yes she is also over weight very NORMAL in
older Peramangk womens culture , food was always plentiful
If this is the QUEEN of the Peramangk , her shoulders and upper arms
and stomach would be covered in Ceremonial SCARS , as was the
practice until recent times , the HIGHER rank the MORE scars
This Image of OLDER Tasmanian women shows weight gain quite normal in
older Aboriginal women ,
and very YOUNG husbands was also common
http://www.easypedia.gr/el/images/shared/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Queen_of_punt.jpg
http://www.jamesjarratt.com/images/punt_prince.gif
kangarooistan
> > Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
> > of their presence at a site?
>
> You are not talking about dinosaurs, mate
> Show us some South Australian Bronze Age swords and axe heads,
> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile, mate.
>
Cant handle the TRUTH mate ?
best go back and watch the footy mate
http://www.nma.gov.au/collections-search/image?irn=11776
Simply ASK any Peramangk BURKA MAN ,[ older man or king in some
languages ] what the scars on this woman MEAN
Clearly She is a very SENIOR, Peramangk , senior " oldwoman" or
QUEEN in some languages , the SCARS are clearly PERAMANGK , and
indicate her high rank , yes she is also over weight very NORMAL in
older Peramangk womens culture , food was always plentiful
If this is the QUEEN of the Peramangk , her shoulders and upper arms
and stomach would be covered in Ceremonial SCARS , as was the
practice until recent times , the HIGHER rank the MORE scars
This Image of OLDER Tasmanian women shows weight gain quite normal in
older Aboriginal women ,
and very YOUNG husbands was also common
http://www.easypedia.gr/el/images/shared/4/41/Truganini_and_last_4_tasmanian_aborigines.jpg
.
Peter Alaca
> On Jun 6, 7:33 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
>>> of their presence at a site?
>>
>> You are not talking about dinosaurs, mate
>> Show us some South Australian Bronze Age swords and axe heads,
>> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile, mate.
>>
> Cant handle the TRUTH mate ?
> best go back and watch the footy mate
Can't find evidence for your chimaerae, mate?
>[rest of shit snipped...]
kangarooistan
You go back an watch the footy show mate
dont want you missing anything real important
Ill get on with tracking down the Dinosaurs fooprints and fingerprints
until I locate yur Bronze sword mate
No more than a decade or two MAX
WHEN you find a dinosaur footprint AND a finger print its easy to
trace them to the hard evidence if you follow he trail
Im HOT onto it as we speak
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/FabianSouthAustralianAncientMineSite#5457759890012952290
All the evidence points in that direction
Ngamma Ngamaitya: A stout, older woman with large breasts, these older
women would have shoulders, arms, stomachs and chests covered with
mangkamangkarrana scars, and would have full knowledge of the Dreaming
and Laws they needed to pass onto the next generation of young women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peramangk#The_Stages_of_Life_of_the_Women_of_the_Karnumeru_.28Hill_People.29
All the evidence points in that direction
Ngamma Ngamaitya: A stout, older woman with large breasts, these older
women would have shoulders, arms, stomachs and chests covered with
mangkamangkarrana scars, and would have full knowledge of the Dreaming
and Laws they needed to pass onto the next generation of young women.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peramangk#The_Stages_of_Life_of_the_Women_of_the_Karnumeru_.28Hill_People.29
trustme
Lee Olsen
>
> > > [...]
>
> Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
> of their presence at a site?
No. Gorillas and Koala bears can leave fingerprints indestinguishable
from
human prints (unless you are the FBI). Tracks are not always what they
seem
to be or from dinosaurs.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-05-16-footprints_N.htm
> .
> If they are genuine they make a compelling case WITHOUT any other
> evidencehttp://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudston...
> To you this is just a snap ,
Please check the grooves with a magnifying glass for traces of bronze
or other
foreign objects imbedded in them. Thanks mate.
http://www.gustavslibrary.com/saw%20abrader.jpg
[...]
Peter Alaca
> On Jun 6, 9:52 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 06/06/2010 14:03 wrote:
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 7:33 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
>>>>> of their presence at a site?
>>
>>>> You are not talking about dinosaurs, mate
>>>> Show us some South Australian Bronze Age swords and axe heads,
>>>> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile, mate.
>>
>>> Cant handle the TRUTH mate ?
>>> best go back and watch the footy mate
>>
>> Can't find evidence for your chimaerae, mate?
>>
>>> [rest of shit snipped...]
> You go back an watch the footy show mate
> dont want you missing anything real important
> Ill get on with tracking down the Dinosaurs fooprints and fingerprints
> until I locate yur Bronze sword mate
Yeah, keep on tracking mate, and don't come back
without these dinosaur fingerprints and South Australian
Bronze Age swords
>
> [ rest of shit snipped]
George
Whiskers
> kangarooistan wrote:
[...]
> What you are claiming to be scarifications are actually the obesity,
> hyperlordosis and symmetrical fat deposits mentioned above.
>
> Whatever she is, you have to provide much, much better evidence than a
> couple of misinterpreted tomb images to make the Queen of Punt a Peramangk
> woman.
Besides crediting the kingdom of Punt with the ability to support such a
poorly queen, the Ancient Egyptians also thought they saw giraffes and
hippos in Punt. So are there any of them in Australia, even extinct
remains? How about kangaroos in Egyptian paintings? How about genetic
traces of the slaves known to have been bought in Punt - are there any
Egyptians with identifiable ancient Australian ancestors?
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
kangarooistan
> kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> 06/06/2010 15:11 wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 6, 9:52 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
> >> kangarooistan<kangarooist...@gmail.com> 06/06/2010 14:03 wrote:
>
> >>> On Jun 6, 7:33 pm, Peter Alaca<pal...@invallid.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>>>> Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
> >>>>> of their presence at a site?
>
> >>>> You are not talking about dinosaurs, mate
> >>>> Show us some South Australian Bronze Age swords and axe heads,
> >>>> especially of Egyptian en NW European stile, mate.
>
> >>> Cant handle the TRUTH mate ?
> >>> best go back and watch the footy mate
>
> >> Can't find evidence for your chimaerae, mate?
>
> >>> [rest of shit snipped...]
> > You go back an watch the footy show mate
> > dont want you missing anything real important
> > Ill get on with tracking down the Dinosaurs fooprints and fingerprints
> > until I locate yur Bronze sword mate
If you want bronze swords you best go visit the local re enactment
clubs mate
IF you want Bronze Age artifacts you probably would NOT recognize them
if they BIT you on the BUM
>
.
> Yeah, keep on tracking mate, and don't come back
> without these dinosaur fingerprints and South Australian
> Bronze Age swords
>
>
>
> > [ rest of shit snipped]
Do you DOUBT that single Dinosaur footprint is not sound EVIDENCE that
a entire family or more of Dinosaurs lived grew and died in an area
65 million years ago , IF its proven to be a genuine dinosaur
footprint in genuine local rocks
.
Same as a single finger print if genuine and not " planted " by a bent
copper , is EVIDENCE that the HAND , and Arm and Body of the suspect
WAS at the crime scene
.
I DONT need to locate any swords at all , indeed swords are VERY VERY
rare even in the heartlands of the Bronze AGE
I DO have LOTS of evidence that a VAST Bronze Age mine was located in
South Australia AND now have EVIDENCE a foundry or sharpening station
WAS located near by to an ancient gold mine , on a very high hill
.
There may have been swords and a few MAY have survived , at one time
Bronze swords were quite common , but Bronze tools probably more so in
a mine site
.
You can stick with your Bronze Sword fixation like a little boy if ya
want mate , it seems FUN to play sword fights with ancient swords re
living childhood
.
By examining the " sharpening Stone " I can see the " footprints " of
several types of TOOL being dressed
LONG thin ones , probably swords
short arrow like tools and short pointy tools as well perhaps needles
.
If you LOOK on the table near the " Sharpening Stone " you can see a
funny red looking conglomerate rock on the right
.
Its loaded with cassiterite ore / TIN , found nearby ,seems very odd
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478128390035567218
perhaps it was part of some foundry operation , as TIN would be
required , but Im not going down a foundry path at this site , as its
TOO remote from the ORE bodies that would make far more sense to
locate a ancient FOUNDRY , closer to them NOT on top of a high HILL
.
I have FOUND my dinosaur footprint and fingerprint mate
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
I KNOW Bronze Age settlement WAS located nearby
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/FabianSouthAustralianAncientMineSite#5457750568930835778
.
You may NOT be interested mate , No problems , we dont need YOUR
approval , its a free country AND the sites are largely OPEN to the
public for FREE as Adrindam Banejee found ,see his notes HERE
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.malaysia/2010-02/msg00010.html
, I may be wrong , but it is ONLY by investigation ALL possibilities
UNTIL we find ANSWERS that the research stops mate , thats HOW the
game works , find a QUESTION then seek the answers , mate
The presently accepted answers , simply dont MATCH the FACTS on the
ground
the ONLY answer that does MACH all the FACTS at the site is a VAST
ancient Bronze Age Mine Site and I mean truly VAST , effectively the
LARGEST mine site on earth for most of history.
The evidence is OVER WHELMING
More evidence turns up every DAY
there IS room for more researchers , if that's what they ENJOY doing ,
its a mostly PUBLIC access site still , its FREE , less than an hours
drive from Adelaide , on GOOD roads , a nice place to spend a few
hours IF you ever visit South australia you may wish to take a LOOK ,
its best if you take a copy of the Turin Papyrus Gold Mine with you
and SEE FOR YOURSELF , you will need a few hours to walk the site ,
and be moderately fit , see pics mate , and keep it in mind IF your
ever in the area , it costs NOTHING , you DONT need permission for
most of the site IS on PUBLIC lands or visible from the roads even ,
there are dozens of mines in the district apart from the one I
identified as the TURIN PAPYRUS GOLD MINE here , there are all free
to view from the roads
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/FabianSouthAustralianAncientMineSite#5457759890012952290
Others enjoy WATCHING football mate
Horses for courses
kangarooistan
> On Jun 5, 7:39 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > > [...]
>
> > Do you accept a human finger prints or dinosaur footprint as EVIDENCE
> > of their presence at a site?
>
> No. Gorillas and Koala bears can leave fingerprints indestinguishable
> from
> human prints (unless you are the FBI). Tracks are not always what they
> seem
YES mate , I could fabricate almost anything to fool most of the
people for a while BUT my family has LIVED and mined the area for well
over 100years, mums family worked in the carrying trades serving the
mines , several family members owned mines , google " Fabian quartzite
" , grandpa located a rich source of gold in the state and it was
used often to refer to this ore body , We are NOT rich nor famous ,
but we DO know the mines in this area quite well
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&gbv=2&q=fabian%20quartzite&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw
i do KNOW the site very well , I worked in the meat trades myself ,
but mining has been in the "Fabian Family" in the State for a very
long time , the fools who continue to pretend Im some " kook " are
simply trying to silence the investigation as best they can , it WILL
upset many people IF my finding hold true , they will need to re write
a LOT of history books, and many EXPERTS will be sacked or LAUGHED
out of their comfortable JOBS , for failing to investigate earlier .
I keep track of WHO attacks my position and I know they have never
visited the site , there MUST be a reason for the resistance, the
FACTS are there on the ground , so no need to attack my family or my
sanity , experts can simply point out the FLAWS if they have reason
to , ignore me , or accept the FACTS on site for what they are
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&gbv=2&q=fabian%20quartzite&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw
I am an old man and gave up trying to get RICH or famous , a long
time ago , I will never be able to finish researching the site in MY
lifetime , my great grandfather in the century before last , in 1880s
noted the same observations , the landscape shows signs of former
human occupation , there were SEVERAL areas called ," The Tiers " ,
or "Wedding cake HILL" , that clearly show all the signs of being man
made features on a VAST scale , Mount REMARKABLE or REMARABLE rocks ,
or pointy mountain , all "beg the question"
My only pleasure now is TRYING to find answers to those FEW remaining
unanswered questions from a 50 year life as part time prospector , I
will die long before the site yields ALL its answers , but by sharing
what I know as many shared their finding with me over the years ,
PERHAPS the next generation of prospectors can carry on and unlock
the answers in time
Some features of the landscape and a few ROCKS do remain to be
explained
as time passes the case for an Ancient bronze Age Mine grows ever
stronger
i MAY be mistaken , some bits will find answers and or be mis
identified , but the EVIDENCE sure leans very very very heavily in
THE Ancient mine theory , direction and it answers ALL my unanswered
questions , from 50 years of research
>
> > .
> > If they are genuine they make a compelling case WITHOUT any other
> > evidencehttp://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudston...
> > To you this is just a snap ,
>
> Please check the grooves with a magnifying glass for traces of bronze
> or other
> foreign objects imbedded in them. Thanks mate.
>
> http://www.gustavslibrary.com/saw%20abrader.jpg
Interesting pic mate, THANKS
I have examined the " sharpening Rock " under bright lights AND
powerful magnification and found NOTHING , I have scrubbed it well to
remove mud ,
It really does seem to have been burnt / heated very very much and
probably often , mostly seen on underside
There EASILY could be SOME explanation other than a Sharpening stone
I KNOW its genuine , its NOT a fabrication , it is as found bar
SCRUBBING
>
> [...]
Im seriously thinking of RECONSTRUCTING a bronze age tool making set
up to make and sharpen bronze age tools to TEST the theory
BUT I know the results will back my theory
Its real easy to mine mill process smelt and cast bronze
It is REAL easy and all the materials are easily found within a days
walk of Mount barker , in VAST VAST amounts at the surface , tin
copper clay zinc lead timber food water port shelter , I could EASILY
set it up using 3000 year old techniques , and use the " stone Shaping
stone to produce the EDGES as shown in YOUR link from above
ONE of these 2 materials will shape the other , the softer one will
take the SHAPE of the harder one
http://www.gustavslibrary.com/saw%20abrader.jpg
.
BUT mate , I have really asked this exact question for 20years,
WHAT actually could cause , THESE marks , in THIS rock
http://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudstoneToolSharpeningStone#5478147260328737314
I keep coming back to metal TOOL SHARPENING
Everything required is available and the technology is pretty basic
stuff
Lee Olsen
[...]
> YES mate , I could fabricate almost anything to fool most of the
> people.....
I'm certainly not trying to imply you are fabricating anything.
Australia
is full of odd-ball looking things, no need to fabricate them.
Your hypothesis is just fine to get the ball rolling, but the idea of
a
hypothesis is to falsify all other possibilities, right?
[...]
>
> I have examined the " sharpening Rock " under bright lights AND
> powerful magnification and found NOTHING , I have scrubbed it well to
> remove mud ,
OK, thanks.
>
> It really does seem to have been burnt / heated very very much and
> probably often , mostly seen on underside
>
> There EASILY could be SOME explanation other than a Sharpening stone
>
> I KNOW its genuine , its NOT a fabrication , it is as found bar
> SCRUBBING
Again, I'm not suggesting it is a fabrication. And yes, some of the
lines do look
like they could have sharpened or abraded something. But some of
grooves
do not look man made, it is those I'm mostly wondering about.
[...]
> .
>
> BUT mate , I have really asked this exact question for 20years,
>
> WHAT actually could cause , THESE marks , in THIS rockhttp://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudston...
>
> I keep coming back to metal TOOL SHARPENING
>
> Everything required is available and the technology is pretty basic
> stuff
True, but it seems everywhere else in the world that developed
metallurgy
early on, all facets of it are found sooner or later in the same area,
from mines, to molds,
to hammers, to forges, to finished products. Sharpening equipment is
not found
alone. Where did the rest of these products disappear to in
Australia?
kangarooistan
> On Jun 6, 4:51 pm, kangarooistan <kangarooist...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > YES mate , I could fabricate almost anything to fool most of the
> > people.....
>
> I'm certainly not trying to imply you are fabricating anything.
> Australia
> is full of odd-ball looking things, no need to fabricate them.
> Your hypothesis is just fine to get the ball rolling, but the idea of
> a hypothesis is to falsify all other possibilities, right?
>
Perhaps several theories MAY apply and be TRUE
it may be an Aboriginal sharpening stone , that was used by visitors
But with Y skills at sharpening METALS on STONES as a meat worker
i can tell it has had an AMAZING number of tools sharpened on it
IF you look closely you can see the remnants of old lines indicating
we are looking at the LAST few thousand tool marks that replaced
others now worn away
Careful examination of MIDDENS done by OTHERS has established a sudden
rise and FALL of aboriginals in the area that match perfectly the
Bronze age
the Aboriginal population on nearby Kangaroo Island , VISIBLE from
where I found this stone , vanished completely and entirely at the
time of the BRONZE AGE COLLAPSE
> [...]
>
>
>
> > I have examined the " sharpening Rock " under bright lights AND
> > powerful magnification and found NOTHING , I have scrubbed it well to
> > remove mud ,
>
> OK, thanks.
>
>
>
> > It really does seem to have been burnt / heated very very much and
> > probably often , mostly seen on underside
>
> > There EASILY could be SOME explanation other than a Sharpening stone
>
> > I KNOW its genuine , its NOT a fabrication , it is as found bar
> > SCRUBBING
>
> Again, I'm not suggesting it is a fabrication. And yes, some of the
> lines do look
> like they could have sharpened or abraded something. But some of
> grooves
> do not look man made, it is those I'm mostly wondering about.
>
It is a NATURAL marks
Some look like they were used just to " dress " the tips possibly of
thin items like needles , , they had many different Bronze cutting
tools, only a very very FEW were swords
Long Curved blade Swords would be almost impossible to sharpen/
remove chips , on a flat stone , not impossible but difficult ,
> [...]
>
> > .
>
> > BUT mate , I have really asked this exact question for 20years,
>
> > WHAT actually could cause , THESE marks , in THIS rockhttp://picasaweb.google.com/kangarooistan9/VitrifiedSedimentryMudston...
>
> > I keep coming back to metal TOOL SHARPENING
>
> > Everything required is available and the technology is pretty basic
> > stuff
>
> True, but it seems everywhere else in the world that developed
> metallurgy
> early on, all facets of it are found sooner or later in the same area,
> from mines, to molds,
> to hammers, to forges, to finished products. Sharpening equipment is
> not found
> alone. Where did the rest of these products disappear to in
> Australia?
I suspect most was recycled as it was worn out , BUT sadly as the
EXPERTS laugh at me , ANYBODY finding ANY gold or Bronze would simply
sell it as SCRAP a bit here and a bit there and most would go TOTALLY
unnoticed , NOBODY is considering it of ANY real value to ancient
history STILL today , in 1836 they had NO concept of archaeology ,
scrap metal would be simply scrap metal and end up recycled as found
i suspect MUCH that remained has been sent off as scrap metal in the
last few centuries as it was found
Scrap bronze has value , and with everybody saying nobody was here
before whites arrived ALL BRONZE MUST BE RECENT WASTE and is sold a a
dollar a kg , or thrown in the tip
i suspect there was some who discovered VAST hoards of treasures in
the FIRST decade of settlement
Several local settlers became VERY VERY wealthy very suddenly
http://adbonline.anu.edu.au/biogs/A040114b.htm
DUNN, JOHN (1802-1894), miller, was born on 13 February 1802 in the
parish of Bondleigh, Devonshire, England, son of Charles Dunn, yeoman
farmer. He was educated at a penny-a-week dame school and a boys'
school.
With free passages for himself, his wife Ann, née Rowe (d.1870), whom
he had married in 1828, their son and three daughters Dunn sailed in
the Lysander and arrived at Glenelg on 6 September 1840.
Of greater note was the philanthropic bent of the family, all of them
Methodists. John senior gave £500 each year to charities, spent £4000
on building the Wesleyan Church at Mount Barker, donated a recreation
park to the town, established a university scholarship, built the
Salem cottages for aged poor at Mount Barker and, from his estate
sworn for probate at £100,000, left some £14,560 to religious,
charitable and relief organizations. Clearly a NICE MAN , but his
sudden wealth remains to be fully accounted for
.
He walked to and from Adelaide in the first year , he could not afford
to own a horse , one pound a week was a working mans wages , HE BUILT
several magnificent churches and furnished them inside and out,
including a expensive organ , a FLOUR MILLER ?????? in a tiny
town ?????
http://www.australianbusinessesforsale.com.au/sainfo/CD1199.JPG
there is no record of the vast amounts he handed over to the needy in
cash , VAST VAST VAST wealth in a few short years as a poorly
educated flour miller in a tiny town in a tiny colonial colony at the
end of the WORLD
.
My survey of the ancient mine site places THEM and their buildings
right on TOP of the ancient mine HQ , and there MUST be more yet to
recover in DUE time , mostly now UNDER the central Mount Barker main
street precincts
i HAVE examined their business interests , and its VERY clear they
came by VAST sudden wealth in the first 10 years in this district ,
the other man a Mr Barr Smith has an exact same story , VAST sudden
unaccounted for wealth from a few hundred meters up the hill , who
donated this gold cup to the local hunt club in 1870 , then
conveniently WON it back himself , pretending it was MADE in south
Australia when I suspect he FOUND it under the house he was building
in Mount Barker at the time
both became billionaires in today's money
A survey of the site sort of explains where they FOUND the treasures
penniless migrants both bought / and built mansions in the town of
mount barker , and EMPIRES in the state , both CAN account for heir
later wealth , but its the sudden RISE when they had no visible
advantage over 10,000 others who arrived , BUT both were very early
residents of what I NOW know as mine HQ ground zero .
.
Much of their "early money" remains a mystery , granted the vast
majority of their later wealth can be accounted for , by 1860 they
were both fabulously wealthy , in a tiny little colonial outpost of
South australia , giving away millions in today money
We had a butcher baker and candle stick maker , but out "flour miller"
who paid for SEVERAL new churches in CASH himself , after walking
into the town a few years earlier without even a HORSE , buying every
other flour miller in the entire STATE , and building a vast milling
industry , that collapsed when he died , why did he succeed when the
others in business only enjoyed "modest" success , the miller became a
billionaire literally , and his flour mill happens to be at "grand
central" HQ , on my mine survey
His mill STILL stands and so does his diary notes about where he got
the stone to build it many stones showing signs of being second hand
when he built the mill .
http://image44.webshots.com/45/6/32/11/2771632110011275065mZBDMb_fs.jpg
it remains one of the the FIRST stone building in the town
Its very CLEAR today that some of the stone was from a second hand
building
HOW come he found used / second hand stone blocks 1 year after
settlement , clearly he located it nearby and used the stone , and I
suspect FOUND much treasure that he kept quiet about over many years
its possible he located more an more
its the VERY VERY earliest years of settlement that give he BEST
evidence
BUT tools looking like THIS dont automatically say 3000 years old .
people assume they are junk or simply USE them if they are still in
good order
http://www.google.com.au/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=s&q=bronze+tools&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi
many tools in 1836 still looked identical to those of 3000 years ago,
old bits of metal are not going to be noticed IF YOU ARE TOLD it must
be lost after 1836 , even several gold broaches found THAT did come
from ancient Egypt were simply claimed to be very recent arrivals
bought here by tourists returning from Egypt