Life span of White Cloud Mountain Minnows?
Ben Haith
Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there was familliar with the life span
of White Cloud Mountain Minnows. I recently had two die on me with no sign of
disease at all. The rest of the tank (tetras, barbs, cory cats) is fine. No
one else has died in the two weeks or so since the last one did. Any ideas?
-Ben Haith
bfh...@psu.edu
www.personal.psu.edu/bfh104
Kirt Kraeuter
In article <bfh104.1...@psu.edu>, bfh...@psu.edu brilliantly
pondered:
>
>Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there was familliar with the
life span
>of White Cloud Mountain Minnows. I recently had two die on me with no
sign of
>disease at all. The rest of the tank (tetras, barbs, cory cats) is
fine. No
>one else has died in the two weeks or so since the last one did. Any
ideas?
I've had several see the three year mark, but there seems to be a
die-back at about a year and a half...
good luck,
Kirt
>
>-Ben Haith
>bfh...@psu.edu
>www.personal.psu.edu/bfh104
>
--
"Should be a law against it. Probably is. Probably also
a law against there being a law against it so everyone can
get nice and worked up."
- Ford Prefect, at his most lucid.
Sharon Ward
In article <53e7pc$2...@netnews.upenn.edu>, Kirt Kraeuter
<kk...@dolphin.upenn.edu> writes
>In article <bfh104.1...@psu.edu>, bfh...@psu.edu brilliantly
>pondered:
>>
Missed this thread
>>Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there was familliar with the
>life span
>>of White Cloud Mountain Minnows. I recently had two die on me with no
>sign of
>>disease at all. The rest of the tank (tetras, barbs, cory cats) is
>fine. No
>>one else has died in the two weeks or so since the last one did. Any
>ideas?
>
>I've had several see the three year mark, but there seems to be a
>die-back at about a year and a half...
>Kirt
>>
>>-Ben Haith
>>bfh...@psu.edu
>>www.personal.psu.edu/bfh104
I'm new to all this e-mail stuff - can you please decipher the last 3
lines.
>>
>
My husband and myself are both avid Tropical Fish-keepers. We would be
glad to e-mail you with our experiences.
We have had very few problems with WCMM's; they seem quite hardy. The
only main thing being that they are deemed to be tropical fish, but live
naturally in cold waters {ie mountain streams in China, near Canton.
Check out page 115 of the Practical Encyclopaedia of Freshwater Tropical
Aquarium Fishes by Dick Mills & Dr. Gwynne Vevers. This book is
published by Salamander Books, ISBN No. 0 86101 157 0 and costs approx.
GBP15.00 - It is a *VERY* good reference source}.
Is your tank temperature the problem? It may be (judging by the other
fish that you keep them with that require a higher temperature) that
they are just too hot!? WCMM's are perfectly happy living in an un-
heated tank, just the same as living with the kid's goldfish. (If the
WCMM's are big enough, or the golfish are small, they will live happily
in the same tank).
Bruce (my other half) and I are part of a thriving aquarist group in the
UK, CADAS (Corby and District Aquarist Society). CADAS was started in
1952, and has been going from strength to strength since then. We would
love to trade experiences with you, and trade society (I think you call
them Forums) magazines.
Many regards
Sharon
P.S. Bruce's CB handle is (was) Ford Prefect. Hope to hear from you
soon.
Sharon
--
Sharon Ward
CORBY NORTHANTS UK
Turnpike evaluation. For information, see http://www.turnpike.com/
Jimmy Yeh
You are mixing cooler water species with tropical fish. Tetra, barb
and cory prefer 75F and above, while mountain minnows prefer 68F to
73F. They might survive longer if your tank is lightly packed. High
density and warm temperature would stress them enough to kill them. I
would assume you only had the mountain minnow for no more than four
weeks. Persistent high temperature would end the life of all your
mountain minnows.
Jimmy
bfh...@psu.edu (Ben Haith) wrote:
>Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there was familliar with the life span
>of White Cloud Mountain Minnows. I recently had two die on me with no sign of
>disease at all. The rest of the tank (tetras, barbs, cory cats) is fine. No
>one else has died in the two weeks or so since the last one did. Any ideas?
>-Ben Haith
>bfh...@psu.edu
>www.personal.psu.edu/bfh104
Gints Klimanis
Jimmy Yeh wrote:
>
> You are mixing cooler water species with tropical fish. Tetra, barb
> and cory prefer 75F and above, while mountain minnows prefer 68F to
> 73F. They might survive longer if your tank is lightly packed. High
> density and warm temperature would stress them enough to kill them. I
> would assume you only had the mountain minnow for no more than four
> weeks. Persistent high temperature would end the life of all your
> mountain minnows.
While I agree with your generalization, I can't help mentioning the
exception White Cloud of over two years chasing after zebra danios
in my girlfriend's 80F tank.
Frank Ball
On Tue, 08 Oct 1996 23:43:24 GMT, Jimmy Yeh @ jimm...@scf.usc.edu wrote:
& You are mixing cooler water species with tropical fish. Tetra, barb
& and cory prefer 75F and above, while mountain minnows prefer 68F to
& 73F. They might survive longer if your tank is lightly packed. High
& density and warm temperature would stress them enough to kill them. I
& would assume you only had the mountain minnow for no more than four
& weeks. Persistent high temperature would end the life of all your
& mountain minnows.
Everybody agrees White Clouds are "coldwater" fish, but every book I've
read gives a different temperature range that is acceptable. A low of
68 deg agrees with the highest number I've read. The lowest I've seen
in print was 55 deg. I keep White Clouds in unheated tanks. At this
instant they are at 78 deg, and they can get above 80. In the winter
they thrive at 60-65 deg.
They seem to live for about 3 or 4 years. I'm now on my 3rd batch, but
a couple of the 2nd batch are still healthy (and some got eaten by
goldfish instead of dying of old age). They are usually pretty hardy,
but a couple times when a bought 3 or 6 minnows one would die off in
a couple weeks, the others were fine. Probably too much stress.
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Frank Ball 1UR-M fra...@sr.hp.com
Hewlett-Packard (707) 794-4168 work
1212 Valley House Drive (707) 794-4848 fax
Rohnert Park CA 94928-4999 (707) 538-3693 home
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
Patrick Bessette
Ben Haith (bfh...@psu.edu) wrote:
: Hi all. I was wondering if anyone out there was familliar with the life span
: of White Cloud Mountain Minnows. I recently had two die on me with no sign of
: disease at all. The rest of the tank (tetras, barbs, cory cats) is fine. No
: one else has died in the two weeks or so since the last one did. Any ideas?
: -Ben Haith
: bfh...@psu.edu
: www.personal.psu.edu/bfh104
I have many white clouds and they can live for at least 2 years. I have
some that are 3.5 years old and still look fine. White clouds don't like
hot water. Keep them in water near 65-70F and they'll be happy :)
--
Patrick Bessette
email: kil...@cam.org
http://www.cam.org /~killie
The Dark One
Theory goes...Fish have NO life spans..for a fish to die it has to
be because of an external condition, like parasites, bad water and
such.
-The Dark One