ebay sellers shipping charge ripoff
Me
for media rate or fuckin parcel post for a small item,which costs like 5
bucks max and then they pocket the rest. Flat rate priority wouldnt even
cost half that so they could do it that way,easily still make a profit,the
buyer would get their stuff in 3 days or less instead of waiting 10 days,and
everyone's happy.
But most of them are unwilling to change it if asked,some will but most
wont. It should be actual shipping,(handling is bullshit that means nothing)
and then the buyer should be able to complain to ebay if the seller inflates
it and pockets the rest.
Seller fees are a joke now too, 15% for selling a buy it now item, WTF?
Some bargains can still be found though,i got a new 256mb video card for my
spare PC for $1.75,and picked it up locally,so no shipping. Great,but this
does not happen often.
PeterD
wrote:
>Part of the reason why i hardly use ebay anymore. They'll charge like $18
>for media rate or fuckin parcel post for a small item,which costs like 5
>bucks max and then they pocket the rest.
So?
>Flat rate priority wouldnt even
>cost half that so they could do it that way,easily still make a profit,the
>buyer would get their stuff in 3 days or less instead of waiting 10 days,and
>everyone's happy.
So?
>But most of them are unwilling to change it if asked,some will but most
>wont.
So?
>It should be actual shipping,(handling is bullshit that means nothing)
So?
>and then the buyer should be able to complain to ebay if the seller inflates
>it and pockets the rest.
So?
>Seller fees are a joke now too, 15% for selling a buy it now item, WTF?
So?
>
>Some bargains can still be found though,i got a new 256mb video card for my
>spare PC for $1.75,and picked it up locally,so no shipping. Great,but this
>does not happen often.
>
So?
fran...123
"Me" <notare...@ddress.cum> wrote in message
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and to make it worse it seems the report this item link where you can find
excessive shipping charges in the listing violations has vanished in a lot
of categories. Still there in eBay motors-parts. Maybe it moved anyone
else noticed.
fran...123
"Spacker" <spa...@cuntybollocks.cum> wrote in message
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> graffzepp <graff...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:02:30 -0700, "Me" <notare...@ddress.cum>
>>wrote:
>>
>>interests me, and the seller either is charging high S&H fees, or does
>>not specify shipping costs, I just pass.
>
> You two are aware that "free" postage items are the most expensive
> items on ebay because of all the extra fees involved in moving
> everything onto item price? Anyone with any sense would want sellers
> to move all of their profit onto postage so that they would pay less.
> "Free" postage just means higher prices for everyone and no more
> discounts for multiple purchases or picking something up in person.
> Only a moron would want that.
I think they tampered with the fees and programmed best match (or supposedly
did) to make the free shipping more attractive than it might at first seem.
Of course things are in a constant state of flux. What if there is a
dispute and the buyer wants to send it back then perhaps buyer also has to
do free shipping. The dispute conflict resolution re shipping refunding etc
is in a state of flux most likely. I have yet to see a free shipping
listing with a shipping calculator but have seen listings with disclaimers
as to the accuracy of the shipping on the listing page and listings with
shipping calculators which have flat rate near the top. Free shipping
eliminates these issues.
Fran
DevilsPGD
<spa...@cuntybollocks.cum> was claimed to have wrote:
>You two are aware that "free" postage items are the most expensive
>items on ebay because of all the extra fees involved in moving
>everything onto item price?
Sometimes they are, sometimes they're not. As a buyer, I look for the
best price, when bidding I choose the maximum amount that I am willing
to pay and then bid based on my maximum minus shipping charges.
This neatly filters out any impact of free shipping vs fixed cost
shipping vs calculated shipping, and it means I don't really care if a
seller charges $30 for $4 worth of postage.
fran...123
"Spacker" <spa...@cuntybollocks.cum> wrote in message
because they aren't trying to save me money they are misleading me to click
on their listing by having the posted price in the search results display
not comparable to the folks who are playing by the rules.
Fran
PeterD
<shj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 16 Aug 2009 17:43:29 -0400, PeterD <pet...@hipson.net> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:02:30 -0700, "Me" <notare...@ddress.cum>
>>wrote:
>>
>
>>
>>So?
>>
>
>>
>>So?
>>
>
>>
>>So?
>>
>
>>So?
>>
>
>>
>>So?
>>
>
>>
>>So?
>>
>>>
>
>>>
>>
>>So?
>
>What are you, a retarded Jap?
So?
>
>Ah so!
PeterD
Did a test a while back (still running, too) and so far the free
shipping products are running half of the sales of the ones with
calculated shipping. We did a CBA and set the prices to be competitive
so that the end price to the buyer was vritually identical--end
result, managed to prove that most buyers don't consider shipping when
they buy!
fran...123
"PeterD" <pet...@hipson.net> wrote in message
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The calculated shipping would (generally?) be considered fair shipping what
we are discussing is exorbitant shipping. The calculated shipping doesn't
always show up in the search display real quick even with the cable modem
and a modern computer.
I guess it is kind of off topic, I just got a box last week which was fair
shipping in my estimation, perhaps the seller made out ok since it was the
next state over and it was a flat rate listing 55 pound item not including
box. Tracking email from UPS was for 42 pounds. Seller got away with It I
weighed box before opening.
What things sell for is extremely erratic at least in what I buy. You never
really know for sure if the low ones really sell or the seller is buying it
back under some other user name. Some of the low ones sell I have proof of
that. I will boycott and not bid on any listing I find and add to my watch
list for any reason I choose. Flat rate priority shipping of $34 gets
boycotted since I know with the tracking it costs me about $15. I also
realize larger sellers with accounts can get less expensive shipping than I
can just by bring in a box and paying.
Fran
fran...123
I guess this statement
" The calculated shipping doesn't always show up in the search display real
quick even with the cable modem and a modern computer."
pertains to my watching list not the search display which the ability to
customize isn't what it once was.
Fran
DevilsPGD
<spa...@cuntybollocks.cum> was claimed to have wrote:
>That's far too logical for an ebay buyer.
And as an eBay seller, I'm glad for it! Few things on eBay are happier
then a bidding war over your item when your price is already above the
competition.
PeterD
<shj...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>I think you are as Ah-So-L
So now you know what so of guy I are.
RBTGT
around waiting for your order. We ship everything via UPS, period. We
process and ship thousands of orders every month. We don't have the time or
capabilities to ship something via mail, and, back in the day that we did,
we had so many complaints about the inability to track such items that it
was not worth the cost savings to the customer. Additionally, we had MANY
problems with people claiming they never received their item(s) as well
since we had no way to refute this. All these issues went away when we made
the decision that everything ships via UPS. There are many sellers like us
that have to weigh the demands of the public versus business and economic
realities like these. In our case we've opted to run our business
professionally. If you feel you're being gouged by a particular seller on
freight, then don't buy from them, it's that simple.
If you don't think that handling is legitimate thing, then you need to be on
our shipping offices on a Monday morning when we are processing an entire
weekends worth of orders (hundreds). If you're gonna complain, live in the
real world.
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PeterD
wrote:
>You obviously think that all eBay sellers are Ma and Pa Kettle, just sitting
>around waiting for your order. We ship everything via UPS, period. We
>process and ship thousands of orders every month. We don't have the time or
>capabilities to ship something via mail, and, back in the day that we did,
>we had so many complaints about the inability to track such items that it
>was not worth the cost savings to the customer. Additionally, we had MANY
>problems with people claiming they never received their item(s) as well
>since we had no way to refute this.
Interesting, we ship thousands by USPS and get maybe one complaint a
year.
> All these issues went away when we made
>the decision that everything ships via UPS.
UPS is unable or unwilling to stick to a price quote, always sending
an invoice two weeks after shipping raising the shipping costs. Since
we can't trust them to ship for the price they say, we avoid them.
Most times it is switching a business and calling it a residential
delivery. Sorry, but I don't buy that: a business is a business.
Archon
>
> UPS is unable or unwilling to stick to a price quote, always sending
> an invoice two weeks after shipping raising the shipping costs. Since
> we can't trust them to ship for the price they say, we avoid them.
> Most times it is switching a business and calling it a residential
> delivery. Sorry, but I don't buy that: a business is a business.
Nope, a business run from a residence is a residence, add some rural
delivery to that and you could be out an extra $10
JC
>
fran...123
"Archon" <Chipbee4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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policies. We pay more and get in the phone book white pages under person's
name and business name and pay more than residence. Yellow pages is more
but optional. It just doesn't seem that shipping to the auto repair shop or
the package store a mile or so away with no residence should be less. My
limited shipping with ups has been frustrating as they reject addresses they
once accepted and the post office has no problem with. perhaps was a
computer thing but I shipped something out for repair and it wasn't repaired
right and then they wouldn't accept the same address when I tried to send it
back.
I am sorry to hear of the UPS problem. As a buyer around here UPS is
definitely the best way to get something which won't fit in the mailbox.
Fed ex will often drop it at the base of the mailbox and keep going assuming
that it won't be taken by someone else. Post office leaves a salmon slip in
the mailbox and you have to go down there during business hours and might
get stuck in line. UPS actually delivers every time.
Fran
DevilsPGD
<storkenst...@cox.net> was claimed to have wrote:
>
>"Archon" <Chipbee4...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>> PeterD wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Aug 2009 14:37:41 -0500, "RBTGT" <death...@spammers.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> UPS is unable or unwilling to stick to a price quote, always sending
>>> an invoice two weeks after shipping raising the shipping costs. Since
>>> we can't trust them to ship for the price they say, we avoid them.
>>> Most times it is switching a business and calling it a residential
>>> delivery. Sorry, but I don't buy that: a business is a business.
>>
>> Nope, a business run from a residence is a residence, add some rural
>> delivery to that and you could be out an extra $10
>>
>> JC
>The phone company doesn't see it that way in their billing and listing
>policies. We pay more and get in the phone book white pages under person's
>name and business name and pay more than residence. Yellow pages is more
>but optional. It just doesn't seem that shipping to the auto repair shop or
>the package store a mile or so away with no residence should be less. My
>limited shipping with ups has been frustrating as they reject addresses they
>once accepted and the post office has no problem with. perhaps was a
>computer thing but I shipped something out for repair and it wasn't repaired
>right and then they wouldn't accept the same address when I tried to send it
>back.
Conversely, if UPS wants to do it by location rather then business vs
residence, that's fine too, zone it up and price it accordingly,
applying discounts to residential deliveries that happen to be in
commercial districts.
PeterD
Yes, but the bottom line is that UPS uses that 'residential charge' to
simply jack up the charges. And I have customers who are in business
in a business or commercial zoned area, and had UPS charge residential
charges. Yes, they can do that. No they can't do that with me, because
I don't use UPS! Do the math, UPS: I spend thousands at the
postoffice, and how much at UPS? Wonder why?
PeterD
My main objection is that UPS *changes* the charge after accepting
(and delivering) the shipment. If they were upfront about it, at least
I could properly charge shipping with UPS, but no, they want to jack
it up after the shipment is given to them.
There is no reason for that--they have all the information including
the address when the shipment is processed. The only reason to do what
they are doing is so they can appear to be cheaper when in fact they
end up costing more than other shippers.
DevilsPGD
Agreed, and that was the point of my post -- If UPS wants to base it on
address or zone, do it.
I'm a little surprised that UPS hasn't gotten sued over this yet, if
only because it's confusing and misleading since the "you might be
billed more later" text only appears in very small print for one-off
shipments and is assessed somewhat randomly.
Me
"graffzepp" <graff...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:02:30 -0700, "Me" <notare...@ddress.cum>
> wrote:
>
>>for media rate or fuckin parcel post for a small item,which costs like 5
>>bucks max and then they pocket the rest. Flat rate priority wouldnt even
>>cost half that so they could do it that way,easily still make a profit,the
>>buyer would get their stuff in 3 days or less instead of waiting 10
>>days,and
>>everyone's happy.
>>But most of them are unwilling to change it if asked,some will but most
>>wont. It should be actual shipping,(handling is bullshit that means
>>nothing)
>>and then the buyer should be able to complain to ebay if the seller
>>inflates
>>it and pockets the rest.
>>Seller fees are a joke now too, 15% for selling a buy it now item, WTF?
>>
>>Some bargains can still be found though,i got a new 256mb video card for
>>my
>>spare PC for $1.75,and picked it up locally,so no shipping. Great,but this
>>does not happen often.
>>
>
I didn't say i did.
> If I see something that
> interests me, and the seller either is charging high S&H fees, or does
> not specify shipping costs, I just pass.
So do I,thats my point. It just annoys me that i miss out on good deals
because of these assholes overcharging. But then,their loss if they dont
sell.
Would i pay $10 shipping for an SD memory card to be shipped by media mail?
No
way. Only time would be if i could get it for a buck,then it might be worth
the total so it would balance itself out
I don't mind if they seller charges a fair rate,thats fair enough,but when
its double what it should be,forget it.
Me
"teleprompting" <shj...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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LOL
Me
"RBTGT" <death...@spammers.com> wrote in message
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> You obviously think that all eBay sellers are Ma and Pa Kettle, just
> sitting around waiting for your order. We ship everything via UPS, period.
> We process and ship thousands of orders every month. We don't have the
> time or capabilities to ship something via mail, and, back in the day that
> we did, we had so many complaints about the inability to track such items
> that it was not worth the cost savings to the customer. Additionally, we
> had MANY problems with people claiming they never received their item(s)
> as well since we had no way to refute this. All these issues went away
> when we made the decision that everything ships via UPS. There are many
> sellers like us that have to weigh the demands of the public versus
> business and economic realities like these. In our case we've opted to run
> our business professionally. If you feel you're being gouged by a
> particular seller on freight, then don't buy from them, it's that simple.
Whoooosh !!
>
> If you don't think that handling is legitimate thing, then you need to be
> on our shipping offices on a Monday morning when we are processing an
> entire weekends worth of orders (hundreds). If you're gonna complain, live
> in the real world.
>
If you say so almighty boss man
PeterD
wrote:
>
>"RBTGT" <death...@spammers.com> wrote in message
>news:QqDim.176365$ZN.7...@newsfe23.iad...
>> You obviously think that all eBay sellers are Ma and Pa Kettle, just
>> sitting around waiting for your order. We ship everything via UPS, period.
>> We process and ship thousands of orders every month. We don't have the
>> time or capabilities to ship something via mail, and, back in the day that
>> we did, we had so many complaints about the inability to track such items
>> that it was not worth the cost savings to the customer. Additionally, we
>> had MANY problems with people claiming they never received their item(s)
>> as well since we had no way to refute this. All these issues went away
>> when we made the decision that everything ships via UPS. There are many
>> sellers like us that have to weigh the demands of the public versus
>> business and economic realities like these. In our case we've opted to run
>> our business professionally. If you feel you're being gouged by a
>> particular seller on freight, then don't buy from them, it's that simple.
>
>
>Whoooosh !!
>
>>
>> If you don't think that handling is legitimate thing, then you need to be
>> on our shipping offices on a Monday morning when we are processing an
>> entire weekends worth of orders (hundreds). If you're gonna complain, live
>> in the real world.
>>
>
>
>If you say so almighty boss man
>
Yes, and if that job is not enough, you are welcome to come and help
us handle shipping on our orders as well...
PeterD
wrote:
>
>"graffzepp" <graff...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sat, 15 Aug 2009 15:02:30 -0700, "Me" <notare...@ddress.cum>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Part of the reason why i hardly use ebay anymore. They'll charge like $18
>>>for media rate or fuckin parcel post for a small item,which costs like 5
>>>bucks max and then they pocket the rest. Flat rate priority wouldnt even
>>>cost half that so they could do it that way,easily still make a profit,the
>>>buyer would get their stuff in 3 days or less instead of waiting 10
>>>days,and
>>>everyone's happy.
>>>But most of them are unwilling to change it if asked,some will but most
>>>wont. It should be actual shipping,(handling is bullshit that means
>>>nothing)
>>>and then the buyer should be able to complain to ebay if the seller
>>>inflates
>>>it and pockets the rest.
>>>Seller fees are a joke now too, 15% for selling a buy it now item, WTF?
>>>
>>>Some bargains can still be found though,i got a new 256mb video card for
>>>my
>>>spare PC for $1.75,and picked it up locally,so no shipping. Great,but this
>>>does not happen often.
>>>
>>
>> You made the choice when you bid on the item.
>
>I didn't say i did.
Holy crap, call the police--you were forced by physical violence I
take it? Was the seller sitting on top of you pointing a gun at your
head?
>
>> If I see something that
>> interests me, and the seller either is charging high S&H fees, or does
>> not specify shipping costs, I just pass.
>
>So do I,thats my point. It just annoys me that i miss out on good deals
>because of these assholes overcharging.
So assholes overcharge on good deals? Humm, that's odd logic!
>But then,their loss if they dont
>sell.
>Would i pay $10 shipping for an SD memory card to be shipped by media mail?
>No
>way. Only time would be if i could get it for a buck,then it might be worth
>the total so it would balance itself out
>I don't mind if they seller charges a fair rate,thats fair enough,but when
>its double what it should be,forget it.
>
Then don't fricking buy it, go to Wally World and get your crap there.
>
>
knives4less
charge a handling fee but only for auction items selling for $0.99
(the bidding rarely goes up.) The reason I charge handling is that
listing, final value, and Pay Pal fees on a $0.99 sale total over $2.
In addition, since I am in business to make money, I also include my
wholesale cost. All these items are bought on sale in dozen lots to
get tier II pricing. All listings include a warning of the handling
charge and I try to send buyers an offer to cancel the sale if they
wish. The $0.99 is a potential profit but gets eaten up by listing
fees due to the fact that not every item sells every week, I refer to
these items as loss leaders.
So, why do it if I am going to loose money and sometimes cause hard
feelings from newbies who do not know how to get their shipping
displayed? This is the message I send to buyers:
This is one of my loss leader items. I use these because store items
are listed last in searches and most people never read that far. The
items are started @ $0.99 but a handling charge is added to cover my
wholesale cost (on sale and in dozen lots) plus the very high eBay and
Pay Pal fees -- stores get cheaper listings but pay higher final value
fees plus the Pay Pal charges are even charged on postage. If you do
not want this item, please let me know and I will send a cancellation
form.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
I would much rather have you as a potential customer rather than a
disgruntled former buyer. I have a brick & mortar store that has sold
by mail-order since 1995. We deal with over 50 distributors and can
get almost any knife in current production. On pre-paid orders, our
price is only 10% above our cost on non-eBay, non-Pay Pal items. eBay
listing and Pay Pal payment are available but add to my cost and your
price.
It is almost impossible to make money selling on eBay. I make most of
my sales in my store and by dealing outside eBay while accepting
personal checks. Many of my customers are frequent repeat buyers who
buy presents for birthdays and holidays. A few are actually dealers
who use me to locate deals for re-sale.
La...@knives4less.US
knives4less
> knives4less <larry9...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >It is almost impossible to make money selling on eBay. I make most of
> >my sales in my store and by dealing outside eBay
>
I have many good customers who buy outside eBay. eBay sends them to
I take checks, avoiding the horrendous Pay Pal charges and am able to
re-sell at only 10% over cost. Some customers plan to stop by my shop
during vacations and trips but most my customers shop via email or
telephone.
I work with my customers to ensure that they end up with the knife
that best suits their needs, not just the cheapest as sold on eBay.
Larry
Knives4less.US
john-c...@webtv.net
Bast
RBTGT wrote:
> You obviously think that all eBay sellers are Ma and Pa Kettle, just
> sitting around waiting for your order. We ship everything via UPS,
> period. We process and ship thousands of orders every month. We don't
> have the time or capabilities to ship something via mail, and, back in
> the day that we did, we had so many complaints about the inability to
> track such items that it was not worth the cost savings to the
> customer. Additionally, we had MANY problems with people claiming they
> never received their item(s) as well since we had no way to refute
> this. All these issues went away when we made the decision that
> everything ships via UPS. There are many sellers like us that have to
> weigh the demands of the public versus business and economic realities
> like these. In our case we've opted to run our business professionally.
> If you feel you're being gouged by a particular seller on freight, then
> don't buy from them, it's that simple.
I think the point is that, after the purchase is when buyers find out that
shipping costs more.
Sure, if some seller is charging enough to buy a new loaded ferarri, in the
listing, people will never bid.
But if the price goes up after the bidder wins, then what options do they
have ?
Pay it ?
Or file a complaint with Ebay that will likely never even be read?
Or abandon the item, refuse to pay, and get a non-payment stike against them
?
>
> If you don't think that handling is legitimate thing, then you need to
> be on our shipping offices on a Monday morning when we are processing
> an entire weekends worth of orders (hundreds). If you're gonna
> complain, live in the real world.
Well, do you put in your listings that orders received when you are busy
cost more to ship out ?
Do you charge less if you ship on a slow day ?
You should be a little less concerned about all those customers wanting
things they paid for shipped right away, causing you too much grief, and how
overworked you are.
<LOL>
PeterD
wrote:
You win the item, you pay the amount due (you are told when the
auction is won) and that's that. End of discussion. Of course, if you
bid on an item which doesn't have disclosed shipping charges, then you
are agreeing/knowing the shipping charges, in advance, to be
screwed--all you can hope for is that she is pretty, and has a nice
ass.
>
>>
>> If you don't think that handling is legitimate thing, then you need to
>> be on our shipping offices on a Monday morning when we are processing
>> an entire weekends worth of orders (hundreds). If you're gonna
>> complain, live in the real world.
>
>
>Well, do you put in your listings that orders received when you are busy
>cost more to ship out ?
Who said that? Been off your meds, I guess.
>Do you charge less if you ship on a slow day ?
Who said that, too?
>
>You should be a little less concerned about all those customers wanting
>things they paid for shipped right away, causing you too much grief, and how
>overworked you are.
What people should do is bid on items with shipping charges listed,
and that solves the entire problem.
fran...123
"knives4less" <larr...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Larry, when a buyer places a bid or offer there is a conformation page page
which comes up listing the bid amount and the shipping amount. Are you
invoicing for the amount on this conformation page?
I think insurance is or was another place to tack on an extra couple of
dollars and then ship via a carrier which provides the insurance if less
than $100 for no extra charge.
The only other thing I might point out is if you use eBay and it has certain
policies (and a user agreement you click yes I agree to) about shipping and
handling and you choose to dump insertion fee and final value fee and extra
picture fee and etc into the shipping and handling you should expect
complaints and problems.
Fran