What's so bad about ebay?
Marco R
High fees? monopolization? what?
Thanks,
Marco
SCAM Buster
This is a free for all. How may we help you? :-)
SB
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> Thanks,
> Marco
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"Marco R" <m...@rco.rosano> wrote in message
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| I am not trolling - I'm just curious. Why all the anti-ebay stuff?
| High fees? monopolization? what?
Search the web for (hate ebay) or (hate paypal) and see what happens.
GW
Marco R
<news...@posting.id.com> wrote:
>Marco R wrote:
>> I am not trolling - I'm just curious. Why all the anti-ebay
>stuff?
>> High fees? monopolization? what?
>>
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Marco
>
>Please read all of the messages in the group, plus all of the
>threads archived on Google Groups, then return here when finished
>if you have further questions.
I've read all the messages that have ever been posted to this group
and I have no further questions.
P.S., check out how I learned to "speed-read" :)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41676&item=6359888269&rd=1
- Marco
ch...@my-deja.com
I dunno. If the 60% fee increases were not enough, we also see that
eBay's stock price is at a near ALLTIME peak, coming in just under
around $120 per share a few days ago.
Check it out. TOTAL GREED.
With their silos and troughs already spilling over, they decide to
bleed all the livestock just to celebrate.
Really POs me to even think about.
I really, REALLY hope there is a massive BACKLASH to the fee increases.
GawdHelpMe, I almost wish Bill Gates/Time Warner/Disney/Coca Cola or
somebody, would really step in with a competitive, heavily advertised
alternative auction site in the near future, just to shake the ePigs
off their high horse.
RipCurl
> Marco R wrote:
>
>>I am not trolling - I'm just curious. Why all the anti-ebay stuff?
>>High fees? monopolization? what?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Marco
>
>
> I dunno. If the 60% fee increases were not enough, we also see that
> eBay's stock price is at a near ALLTIME peak, coming in just under
> around $120 per share a few days ago.
>
The rise in fees are negligible.
> Check it out. TOTAL GREED.
As for stocks, that's what happens when a company makes moeny, and more
people want a piece of that pie.
>
> With their silos and troughs already spilling over, they decide to
> bleed all the livestock just to celebrate.
wow, straw-man comparisson.
>
> Really POs me to even think about.
then dont use them.
>
> I really, REALLY hope there is a massive BACKLASH to the fee increases.
yeah, more people will use ebay.
RxMostWanted
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WHC
BUSINESS!!! If people feel that strongly about a totally legal business
making money, I suggest they start up a tax free foundation and start an
alternative to EBay to act as a public service to the world.
The best thing about Capitalism people, is that you can vote with your
wallet. Don't like it?? Think it's unfair?? The don't use the
service....simple.
ch...@my-deja.com
Including the instances of a 60% increase??? Or scaled up Buy It Now
fees too?
>
> >
> > Really POs me to even think about.
>
> then dont use them.
I may still buy, but will think carefully about selling as much
anymore.
Low end sellers will be discouraged from the fees and high end sellers
from the commission percentages. The ones who stick with it will pass
the price increases onto the consumer - whom may just learn to use
Google searches for some of the crap that ebay retailers are
overcharging for anyway.
>
>
> >
> > I really, REALLY hope there is a massive BACKLASH to the fee
increases.
>
> yeah, more people will use ebay.
Yeah, right. IF this gouging is "business as usual" with hiked fee and
stock price, then -perhaps real, credible competitors will get
interested and actually bring consumer oriented COMPETITION to this
giant, virtual MONOPOLY.
Philip
>> The rise in fees are negligible.
>
> Including the instances of a 60% increase??? Or scaled up Buy It Now
> fees too?
Ok ... everybody has cried crocodile tears over PERCENTAGES. Now I ask you
all : Put some examples using DOLLARS and CENTS to these percentages.
Thanks.
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> In article <b3wHd.16654$SK6....@bignews3.bellsouth.net>,
somewhat as
> it pretended to be humanitarian in order to compete with the
Soviet
> Union. Now that's no longer necessary, and the mask is off.
>
> The problem with this situation is that everything in human
life needs
> limits. It's part of being contingent beings in a finite world.
If
> this current hubris continues, our society will eventually be
> seriously harmed by the excesses inherent in its being
motivated,
> organized, and driven by the SINGLE factor of greed.
>
> The Huns were great at war, but even their expansion eventually
wore
> out and their society became minor again.
>
> Leonard
The only constant in the Universe is that "All Things Change".
The Roman Empire ruled the known world for a thousand years.
Empires rise and fall. Economies are created, change, adapt or
die.
It will be interesting for future generations to see how this
current frenzy for profit-versus-longevity fares.
Philip
Leave us become philosophical: "The son will pay for the excesses of the
father".
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Fred A. Murphy
On 16-Jan-2005, Marco R <m...@rco.rosano> wrote:
> I am not trolling - I'm just curious. Why all the anti-ebay stuff?
> High fees? monopolization? what?
80% price increases in the midst of lower costs and lousier service.
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Fred A. Murphy
On 19-Jan-2005, "WHC" <hoper...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> Of COURSE it's about GREED!!!! They are not providing a service, they are
> a
> BUSINESS!!! If people feel that strongly about a totally legal business
> making money, I suggest they start up a tax free foundation and start an
> alternative to EBay to act as a public service to the world.
froogle
Fred A. Murphy
On 21-Jan-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> Ok ... everybody has cried crocodile tears over PERCENTAGES. Now I ask
> you
> all : Put some examples using DOLLARS and CENTS to these percentages.
> Thanks.
No problem. My most popular item is $879. It takes the same bandwidth as
an item that sells for 99¢, on which ebaY gets 25¢ insertion fee and 5¢ FVF.
We have now established what that advertising space is worth--25¢ for the
ad and 5¢ for the distribution.
However, I'm special. God forbid I make any money because I sell an
expensive item instead of something for 99¢. So if I want to run an ad to
sell, it costs $4.80 for 25¢ worth of space. Then if I sell one, I get
charged $24.80 in FVF for the nickel's worth of bandwidth I used.
EbAy offers a way to get around part of this. It's called an ebaY store.
It's sort of like joining Sam's Club and paying $120 a year in exchange for
paying lower prices when you list in the store. So now that ad only costs
2¢ (plus the $120), but it will only show up about 20% of the time when
people do a search for the product. So I get the bargain price at Sam's,
except that 80% of the time they're out of stock of the product I want to
buy. And I still pay $24.80 in FVF for my nickel's worth of bandwidth.
Obviously, this whole deck is stacked for ebaY in every manner, but they're
not done. The new rules:
My membership to get the discount priced ads just went from $120 to $192 a
year. Not satisfied with getting $24.80 for my nickel's worth of bandwidth,
they're raising the FVF to $44.70, over 80% higher. Notice that they
haven't done a thing to make my item easier or more likely to sell, but they
feel they should get another twenty bucks if I'm stupid enough to continue
to using their nickel's worth of bandwidth.
Lots of people are getting smart.
Philip
> On 21-Jan-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>> Ok ... everybody has cried crocodile tears over PERCENTAGES. Now I
>> ask you
>> all : Put some examples using DOLLARS and CENTS to these
>> percentages. Thanks.
>
> No problem. My most popular item is $879. It takes the same
> insertion fee and 5ข FVF. We have now established what that
> advertising space is worth--25ข for the ad and 5ข for the
> distribution.
>
> However, I'm special. God forbid I make any money because I sell an
> ad to sell, it costs $4.80 for 25ข worth of space. Then if I sell
> one, I get charged $24.80 in FVF for the nickel's worth of bandwidth
> I used.
>
> EbAy offers a way to get around part of this. It's called an ebaY
> store. It's sort of like joining Sam's Club and paying $120 a year in
> exchange for paying lower prices when you list in the store. So now
> 20% of the time when people do a search for the product. So I get
> the bargain price at Sam's, except that 80% of the time they're out
> of stock of the product I want to buy. And I still pay $24.80 in FVF
> for my nickel's worth of bandwidth.
>
> Obviously, this whole deck is stacked for ebaY in every manner, but
> they're not done. The new rules:
>
> My membership to get the discount priced ads just went from $120 to
> $192 a year. Not satisfied with getting $24.80 for my nickel's worth
> of bandwidth, they're raising the FVF to $44.70, over 80% higher.
> Notice that they haven't done a thing to make my item easier or more
> likely to sell, but they feel they should get another twenty bucks if
> I'm stupid enough to continue to using their nickel's worth of
> bandwidth.
>
> Lots of people are getting smart.
Thank you for your reply. So ... how are smart people responding,
specifically?
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- Philip
Fred A. Murphy
On 12-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> Thank you for your reply. So ... how are smart people responding,
> specifically?
Webpages of their own and any of the hundreds of other auction sites
G W Shrub
"Fred A. Murphy" <NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote in message
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>
> On 12-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for your reply. So ... how are smart people responding,
> > specifically?
>
> Webpages of their own and any of the hundreds of other auction sites
Despite the "No Links" rule many get around that easily. I certainly can.
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Philip
What is this rule about "No Links"?
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G W Shrub
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
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> What is this rule about "No Links"?
You can't put a link to your website in your listing, esp. if you sell
there. But many mange it and you can often find it easily enough.
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SCAM Buster
<NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>No problem. My most popular item is $879. It takes the same bandwidth as
>an item that sells for 99¢, on which ebaY gets 25¢ insertion fee and 5¢ FVF.
> We have now established what that advertising space is worth--25¢ for the
>ad and 5¢ for the distribution.
>
That is a very poor analogy. Real-estate listing and selling
commissions are based on the selling price of the property, and in
Canada run approximately 5 to 6%. Therefore the commission on a $1
million property will be 10 times the commission on a $100,000 one.
Both properties cost the same to photograph, the same to advertise,
the same to show potential clients, and so on. So by your argument,
the commission on both should be the same. Really?
SB
Philip
How about a link to a website giving a long winded treatise with pictures
about your sale item ... which is not owned/maintained by the Seller? I've
done this a time or two without drawing attention from the EBay police.
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- Philip
Fred A. Murphy
On 12-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> What is this rule about "No Links"?
Just another way ebaY tries to prevent anyone but themselves making money.
Fred A. Murphy
A perfect comeback for me to tear apart tho.
If ebaY is a commission salesmen, then they get FVF only. I should be able
to list $100,000 or $1 million with them at no cost whatsoever.
Instead, ebaY wants up to 25% listing fee on a $1 item. If I want a $10,000
reserve on that item and ebaY fails their job as a commission salesman, they
want another $100 for not doing their job. If they do sell it, then all of
a sudden they are commission salesmen.
EbAy doesn't want much. They just want all of theirs, and most of yours.
Nothing else, regardless of overhead, if this greedy. The highest price
example, which offers all sorts of things that ebaY doesn't include, is a
mall owner, and he doesn't come close. Sure, he gets money, but he either
gets a base rent when business is slow, or a % of sales when business is
good. He never gets both. He might get $2000 a month any month your sales
are under $20,000, or 10% of sales when they exceed $20,000, but he doesn't
get 10% of sales plus $2000, and then a 1% kicker on any day nobody shows up
to the mall at all.
SCAM Buster
<NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>
>A perfect comeback for me to tear apart tho.
>
>If ebaY is a commission salesmen, then they get FVF only. I should be able
>to list $100,000 or $1 million with them at no cost whatsoever.
>
>Instead, ebaY wants up to 25% listing fee on a $1 item. If I want a $10,000
>reserve on that item and ebaY fails their job as a commission salesman, they
>want another $100 for not doing their job. If they do sell it, then all of
>a sudden they are commission salesmen.
>
>EbAy doesn't want much. They just want all of theirs, and most of yours.
>
>Nothing else, regardless of overhead, if this greedy. The highest price
>example, which offers all sorts of things that ebaY doesn't include, is a
>mall owner, and he doesn't come close. Sure, he gets money, but he either
>gets a base rent when business is slow, or a % of sales when business is
>good. He never gets both. He might get $2000 a month any month your sales
>are under $20,000, or 10% of sales when they exceed $20,000, but he doesn't
>get 10% of sales plus $2000, and then a 1% kicker on any day nobody shows up
>to the mall at all.
You have no concept of the real world. eBay is a business, and can
charge its customers what ever it feels it can get away with, which
from a profit perspective, would be "the more the better".
If you [as a customer] do not like the prices they charge, o the rules
they set, then you do not have to subscribe to their services. Move on
to another venue, and stop whinning like a two-year-old who has just
lost his candy.
SB
RTC
you to use their service. $44.70 seems a reasonable commission on $879
considering you get World Wide exposure. It that is a significant percentage
of your profit then it's obvious you don't belong in business.Go back to
the flea market.
"Fred A. Murphy" <NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote in message
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>
> On 21-Jan-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
> > Ok ... everybody has cried crocodile tears over PERCENTAGES. Now I ask
> > you
> > all : Put some examples using DOLLARS and CENTS to these percentages.
> > Thanks.
>
> No problem. My most popular item is $879. It takes the same bandwidth as
> We have now established what that advertising space is worth--25ข for the
> ad and 5ข for the distribution.
>
> However, I'm special. God forbid I make any money because I sell an
> sell, it costs $4.80 for 25ข worth of space. Then if I sell one, I get
> charged $24.80 in FVF for the nickel's worth of bandwidth I used.
>
> EbAy offers a way to get around part of this. It's called an ebaY store.
> It's sort of like joining Sam's Club and paying $120 a year in exchange
for
> paying lower prices when you list in the store. So now that ad only costs
RTC
one is a waste of time. Hundreds of Auction Sites ?, more BS.news:SKuPd.6668$hU7....@newssvr33.news.prodigy.com...
Fred A. Murphy
On 13-Feb-2005, SCAM Buster <ffa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You have no concept of the real world. eBay is a business, and can
> charge its customers what ever it feels it can get away with, which
> from a profit perspective, would be "the more the better".
I've had a real world business for 40 years, a B+M mortar store since 1975,
and a degree in business administration. Instead of thinking you can shout
me down, why don't you show me where a mall gets both rent and commission?
Fred A. Murphy
On 13-Feb-2005, "RTC" <Devilh...@why.com> wrote:
> I don't think they went to your house , put a gun to your head and forced
> you to use their service. $44.70 seems a reasonable commission on $879
> considering you get World Wide exposure. It that is a significant
> percentage
> of your profit then it's obvious you don't belong in business.Go back to
> the flea market.
Someone else with a fake email address and absolutely no idea what the
markup is on legitimate electronics.
The only way that would seem to be a reasonable commission is that you're
used to dealing in crap that wholesales for $5 and has a MSRP of $99.95.
Which is the precisely the kind of junk ebaY is encouraging the sale of.
SCAM Buster
Most, if not all, Malls in Canada charge a flat fee for rent based on
square footage, plus TMI, plus a percentage of the store's gross sales
usually over predetermined amounts.
Contact any mall here and I am sure you will find this to be quite
accurate.
Try these for starters:
http://www.torontoeatoncentre.com
http://www.scarboroughtowncentre.com
BTW, I also have a degree in Business (with a major in Finance), an
Accounting Designation, and more years of executive level business
experience than I really care to recall. So please do not try and
pretend that your little Ohio coin shop has given you all this vast
body of knowledge which somehow sets you above everyone else here.
Clearly it has not.
SB
Fred A. Murphy
On 13-Feb-2005, "RTC" <Devilh...@why.com> wrote:
> BS, there are billions of web pages and trying to find a particular item
> on one is a waste of time.
Searching billions of web pages with a working froogle is easier than
searching 150,000 items under pottery on ebaY.
> Hundreds of Auction Sites ?, more BS.
I posted pages of them just the other day. Sorry you were asleep.
Philip
I must have missed that post too. Care to repeat that post?
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- Philip
Fred A. Murphy
On 14-Feb-2005, SCAM Buster <ffa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Most, if not all, Malls in Canada charge a flat fee for rent based on
> square footage, plus TMI, plus a percentage of the store's gross sales
> usually over predetermined amounts.
Fine, then that's what they should do in ebaYCA, which should finish it off.
IIRC, you pay for everything with outrageous sales taxes, too, which I
constantly get Canadian buyers wanting me to lie on customs forms so they
can avoid them.
SCAM Buster
<NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>
>IIRC, you pay for everything with outrageous sales taxes, too, which I
>constantly get Canadian buyers wanting me to lie on customs forms so they
>can avoid them.
Don't kid yourself. We all pay taxes or the equivalent of taxes in one
way of another.
In Canada, sure we have both Federal and Provincial Taxes added on to
most items when we pay for them. But like S&H, you have to look at the
bottom line for what you are really paying. Take restaurants for
example. You only have State tax added to a restaurant bill total, but
that total is far more than it is in Canada for any comparable
restaurant in any comparable city. In most cases the dollar value
appears to be around the same, but given the fact that there is now a
22% difference in the value of our dollars, you are actually paying
15% more for all your "dining out" experiences.
Your Health Care costs around $2000+ per year for full coverage. Our
coverage is free.
The vast majority of your fast food, and other similar workers, make
less than $20,000 per year. If that have to then pay $2000 for Health
coverage, while ours is free, that is a 10% additional tax you are
paying over and above you regular Income Tax, so you see, you are
taxed much the same as we are. It is just labeled differently.
We pay $0.05 per minute LD to call anywhere in the US or Canada 24/7.
That is approximately $0.04 US per minute. Such rates do not require a
plan, or other commitment. I do not think you have any rates that low.
And so on, and so on, and so on...
Tell me what is cheaper in the US than it is in Canada. With the
exception of booze, tobacco and sometimes gas, the answer is very
little.
Visit some of the neighborhoods and slums of New York, Chicago or LA
(if you dare) and then visit any City in Canada...Toronto, Montreal or
Vancouver. You will not find any poor areas here even remotely close
to those of our neighbors.
So again...yes our taxes may indeed be much higher, but just like
considering the impact of an inflated S&H charge, it is what you end
up paying in the long run which is the only number which really
counts.
SB
Philip
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 13:36:23 GMT, "Fred A. Murphy"
> <NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> IIRC, you pay for everything with outrageous sales taxes, too, which
>> I constantly get Canadian buyers wanting me to lie on customs forms
>> so they can avoid them.
>
> Don't kid yourself. We all pay taxes or the equivalent of taxes in one
> way of another.
>
> In Canada, sure we have both Federal and Provincial Taxes added on to
> most items when we pay for them. But like S&H, you have to look at the
> bottom line for what you are really paying. Take restaurants for
> example. You only have State tax added to a restaurant bill total, but
> that total is far more than it is in Canada for any comparable
> restaurant in any comparable city. In most cases the dollar value
> appears to be around the same, but given the fact that there is now a
> 22% difference in the value of our dollars, you are actually paying
> 15% more for all your "dining out" experiences.
>
> Your Health Care costs around $2000+ per year for full coverage. Our
> coverage is free.
You coverage is NOT free. EVEN YOU ... know by now that there is no "free"
anything. There is MASSIVE cost shifting (aka wealth redistribution) in your
highly socialist economy, Scammy.
> The vast majority of your fast food, and other similar workers, make
> less than $20,000 per year. If that have to then pay $2000 for Health
> coverage, while ours is free, that is a 10% additional tax you are
> paying over and above you regular Income Tax, so you see, you are
> taxed much the same as we are. It is just labeled differently.
>
> We pay $0.05 per minute LD to call anywhere in the US or Canada 24/7.
> That is approximately $0.04 US per minute. Such rates do not require a
> plan, or other commitment. I do not think you have any rates that low.
Your information is VERY much dated. Our home line long distance rate has
been .04 per minute for about 13 years. But you do have to CHOOSE a long
distance carrier .... otherwise your primary phone provider will charge you
their long distance rates which are considerably higher.
>snip
> So again...yes our taxes may indeed be much higher, but just like
> considering the impact of an inflated S&H charge, it is what you end
> up paying in the long run which is the only number which really
> counts.
>
> SB
Scammy makes the admission. Taxes in Canada ARE much higher. But he's
willing to have much of his left-over income confiscated by his socialist
support system for the sake of "security" which is managed by professional
bureaucrats. His choice.
--
- Philip
SCAM Buster
I missed them too because they were not posted to this NG.
SB
SCAM Buster
<1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>You coverage is NOT free. EVEN YOU ... know by now that there is no "free"
>anything. There is MASSIVE cost shifting (aka wealth redistribution) in your
>highly socialist economy, Scammy.
>
No argument. I agree 100%. My argument was only against Fred who
claimed that we have so much higher taxes than the US does. My point
was that while this may be true, you must also include the cost of the
extra items you have to pay for which we get included with our tax
dollars. Do that, and also consider the higher incomes in Canada for
the same jobs, and I think at the end of the day, you will find that
there is little if any difference in both our net after-tax incomes
for the same jobs.
>
>Your information is VERY much dated. Our home line long distance rate has
>been .04 per minute for about 13 years. But you do have to CHOOSE a long
>distance carrier .... otherwise your primary phone provider will charge you
>their long distance rates which are considerably higher.
>
Your rates in the US have not been as low as $0.04 for 13 years. That
would mean since 1992, which is just after the time [1991] when
deregulation officially took place in Canada. At that time, your rates
were over $0.20 per minute at best. I know because I was in that
business for 6 years during those early years of deregulation here.
In fact, it was companies like Net2Phone which offered a VoIP service
which stated to provide a reasonably priced LD alternative. Even
though at that point, which was in 1999 [7 years after you claim] the
service was quite crappy, and yet still cost $0.10 US per minute and
more. So please do not tell me that you have enjoyed $0.04 per minute
LD rates in the US for 13 years. You would be 100% wrong.
>
>Scammy makes the admission. Taxes in Canada ARE much higher. But he's
>willing to have much of his left-over income confiscated by his socialist
>support system for the sake of "security" which is managed by professional
>bureaucrats. His choice.
Not at all. Read what I wrote above...let it sink in for a while...and
then wake up to reality!
SB
Philip
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 16:28:42 GMT, "Philip"
> <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>>
>> You coverage is NOT free. EVEN YOU ... know by now that there is no
>> "free" anything. There is MASSIVE cost shifting (aka wealth
>> redistribution) in your highly socialist economy, Scammy.
>>
>
> No argument. I agree 100%. My argument was only against Fred who
> claimed that we have so much higher taxes than the US does. My point
> was that while this may be true, you must also include the cost of the
> extra items you have to pay for which we get included with our tax
> dollars. Do that, and also consider the higher incomes in Canada for
> the same jobs, and I think at the end of the day, you will find that
> there is little if any difference in both our net after-tax incomes
> for the same jobs.
>
>>
>> Your information is VERY much dated. Our home line long distance
>> rate has been .04 per minute for about 13 years. But you do have to
>> CHOOSE a long distance carrier .... otherwise your primary phone
>> provider will charge you their long distance rates which are
>> considerably higher.
>>
>
> Your rates in the US have not been as low as $0.04 for 13 years. That
> would mean since 1992, which is just after the time [1991] when
> deregulation officially took place in Canada. At that time, your rates
> were over $0.20 per minute at best. I know because I was in that
> business for 6 years during those early years of deregulation here.
Sorry SB. My statement stands. I'm looking AT MY long distance carrier
bill ... $.04 per minute for ALL our long distance calls last month. You
just don't know how these things are done here, that's all.
>> Scammy makes the admission. Taxes in Canada ARE much higher. But
>> he's willing to have much of his left-over income confiscated by his
>> socialist support system for the sake of "security" which is managed
>> by professional bureaucrats. His choice.
>
> Not at all. Read what I wrote above...let it sink in for a while...and
> then wake up to reality!
>
> SB
I read all your shit. My statement stands. You are resigned to higher
income confiscation for the Social Good ... most of which is managed by
bureaucrats. My case, I have more direct choice and undoubtedly have a
better appreciation of the actual costs/charges.
Tell me ... how much does a Canadian Aspirin cost while you're in the
hospital? Give me a number. Don't give me a BS answer like "It's
comparable."
--
- Philip
SCAM Buster
<1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>Sorry SB. My statement stands. I'm looking AT MY long distance carrier
>bill ... $.04 per minute for ALL our long distance calls last month. You
>just don't know how these things are done here, that's all.
>
Last month, yes, but you claimed that you had those rates for the last
13 years. That is simply not true!
>>> Scammy makes the admission. Taxes in Canada ARE much higher. But
>>> he's willing to have much of his left-over income confiscated by his
>>> socialist support system for the sake of "security" which is managed
>>> by professional bureaucrats. His choice.
>>
>> Not at all. Read what I wrote above...let it sink in for a while...and
>> then wake up to reality!
>>
>> SB
>
>I read all your shit. My statement stands. You are resigned to higher
>income confiscation for the Social Good ... most of which is managed by
>bureaucrats. My case, I have more direct choice and undoubtedly have a
>better appreciation of the actual costs/charges.
Sure you have a choice, which is why so many of your cities are so
festered with unspeakable slums. It is because so many of the people
who live in them chose not to contribute to society. Instead they
choose not to work, with many turning to lives of crimes, or else look
for handouts. They contribute nothing to society as a whole. The
result being... They don't work...they don't eat. They steal...they go
to jail. They get sick...they die. End of story! That's a worthwhile
society to live in? I think not!
>
>Tell me ... how much does a Canadian Aspirin cost while you're in the
>hospital? Give me a number. Don't give me a BS answer like "It's
>comparable."
A Canadian Aspirin will cost you nothing while you are in the Hospital
here. In fact, no drug does while you are in Hospital care. It is all
covered by the Hospital which in turn, is all covered by our taxes. If
anyone tells you otherwise, they are 100% wrong.
SB
Fred A. Murphy
On 14-Feb-2005, SCAM Buster <ffa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I missed them too because they were not posted to this NG.
That's correct, it was on the real ebaY newsgroup:
On 14-Jan-2005, "Robbyd97" <robby...@comcast.net> wrote:
> The best thing about our capitalistic system is that if Ebay does become
> unreasonable an alternative will appear.
Guess ebaY has become unreasonable
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Online Coin Show Auctions (coins)
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"just because you're not aware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist."
Philip
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:25:29 GMT, "Philip"
> <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>>
>> Sorry SB. My statement stands. I'm looking AT MY long distance
>> carrier bill ... $.04 per minute for ALL our long distance calls
>> last month. You just don't know how these things are done here,
>> that's all.
>>
>
> Last month, yes, but you claimed that you had those rates for the last
> 13 years. That is simply not true!
If I made ... or you inferred such, then I miscommunicated.
>>>> Scammy makes the admission. Taxes in Canada ARE much higher. But
>>>> he's willing to have much of his left-over income confiscated by
>>>> his socialist support system for the sake of "security" which is
>>>> managed by professional bureaucrats. His choice.
>>>
>>> Not at all. Read what I wrote above...let it sink in for a
>>> while...and then wake up to reality!
>>>
>>> SB
>>
>> I read all your shit. My statement stands. You are resigned to
>> higher income confiscation for the Social Good ... most of which is
>> managed by bureaucrats. My case, I have more direct choice and
>> undoubtedly have a better appreciation of the actual costs/charges.
>
> Sure you have a choice, which is why so many of your cities are so
> festered with unspeakable slums.
There is no such connection between CHOICE and Slums. Zip. So I will edit
your remaining drivel.
>> Tell me ... how much does a Canadian Aspirin cost while you're in
>> the hospital? Give me a number. Don't give me a BS answer like
>> "It's comparable."
>
> A Canadian Aspirin will cost you nothing while you are in the Hospital
> here. In fact, no drug does while you are in Hospital care. It is all
> covered by the Hospital which in turn, is all covered by our taxes. If
> anyone tells you otherwise, they are 100% wrong.
>
> SB
All that is a LIE, SB. A LIE. It's a lie because you know better and as
such are just trolling. You know there is no "free aspirin" or "free lunch"
(as it were). The correct answer from you at this moment is ... you don't
know what an Aspirin costs in your socialist health delivery system. Your
system (and to a disturbing degree "Our" system too) hides the HUGE costs of
administration and the tremendous degree of wealth redistribution required
to provide "free" (which is a lie) healthcare.
--
- Philip
SCAM Buster
<NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>
>"just because you're not aware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist."
< List Snipped>
>
>"just because you're not aware of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist."
1. Many of the sites on your list are not even auction sites. ie.
AuctionNotebooks.com, Closeout.com and other sites like it are not
auction sites. They appear to only sell their own refurbished /
discontinued items. They offer zero protection for buyers.
2. Many of the sites are only classified ad sites. Again, they are not
auction sites. Plus they offer "zero" protection for buyers or
sellers.
3. Of those sites which are auction sites, few have more than 100
items for sale. They have no traffic. They offer "zero" protection
for buyers or sellers.
4. I would estimate that the eBay site sells more items in 1 day than
the rest of your entire list of sites sell in 1 year.
SB
SCAM Buster
<1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>SCAM Buster wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:25:29 GMT, "Philip"
>> <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sorry SB. My statement stands. I'm looking AT MY long distance
>>> carrier bill ... $.04 per minute for ALL our long distance calls
>>> last month. You just don't know how these things are done here,
>>> that's all.
>>>
>>
>> Last month, yes, but you claimed that you had those rates for the last
>> 13 years. That is simply not true!
>
>If I made ... or you inferred such, then I miscommunicated.
>
You call it "mismiscommunicated". I call it telling a lie like I catch
so many people here doing.
In any event, following is my original post and your response. I see
no "miscommunication" in it. What I do see is a downright deceitful
lie from someone who will stoop to any level to try and prove me
wrong.
This was my post:
> We pay $0.05 per minute LD to call anywhere in the US or Canada 24/7.
> That is approximately $0.04 US per minute. Such rates do not require a
> plan, or other commitment. I do not think you have any rates that low.
This was your response:
>Your information is VERY much dated. Our home line long distance
>rate has been .04 per minute for about 13 years. But you do have to
>CHOOSE a long distance carrier .... otherwise your primary phone
>provider will charge you their long distance rates which are considerably
>higher.
< sniped >
>
>There is no such connection between CHOICE and Slums. Zip. So I will edit
>your remaining drivel.
>
Oh really? I will not even waste my time addressing this issue with
you. Clearly you do not have the ability to understand. Perhaps you
should go back to a school where they teach some reality.
>
>All that is a LIE, SB. A LIE. It's a lie because you know better and as
>such are just trolling. You know there is no "free aspirin" or "free lunch"
>(as it were). The correct answer from you at this moment is ... you don't
>know what an Aspirin costs in your socialist health delivery system. Your
>system (and to a disturbing degree "Our" system too) hides the HUGE costs of
>administration and the tremendous degree of wealth redistribution required
>to provide "free" (which is a lie) healthcare.
Have it your way, as wrong as it is. I see no point in showing someone
like you anything as you "will not" see it.
SB
G W Shrub
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> All that is a LIE, SB. A LIE. It's a lie because you know better and as
> such are just trolling. You know there is no "free aspirin" or "free
lunch"
> (as it were). The correct answer from you at this moment is ... you don't
> know what an Aspirin costs in your socialist health delivery system.
It doesn't deliver aspirin or other drugs, (except in hospital). I buy my
aspirin from the US dollar stores. But real drugs I buy in Canada because we
don't take it up the ass from the drug companies like the Bush crooks do.
> Your
> system (and to a disturbing degree "Our" system too) hides the HUGE costs
of
> administration and the tremendous degree of wealth redistribution required
> to provide "free" (which is a lie) healthcare.
Your system is just as fucked up as ours except ours costs less per person
AND delivers to everyone, not just White Americans.
--
GW
Philip
> "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:509Qd.356$VI5...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>> All that is a LIE, SB. A LIE. It's a lie because you know better
>> and as such are just trolling. You know there is no "free aspirin"
>> or "free lunch" (as it were). The correct answer from you at this
>> moment is ... you don't know what an Aspirin costs in your socialist
>> health delivery system.
>
> It doesn't deliver aspirin or other drugs, (except in hospital). I
> buy my aspirin from the US dollar stores. But real drugs I buy in
> Canada because we don't take it up the ass from the drug companies
> like the Bush crooks do.
I was clear. Aspirin in the hospital. What is the real charge per two
tablet envelope (typical hospital dose)? I happen to know what my last
hospital stay billed my insurance company for aspirins.
>> Your
>> system (and to a disturbing degree "Our" system too) hides the HUGE
>> costs of administration and the tremendous degree of wealth
>> redistribution required to provide "free" (which is a lie)
>> healthcare.
>
> Your system is just as fucked up as ours except ours costs less per
> person AND delivers to everyone, not just White Americans.
You've said enough on the subject to identify youself as a bigot and racist.
--
- Philip
Philip
something hasn't been heard of, it may as well not exist and I think EBay
knows this.
--
- Philip
G W Shrub
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> I was clear. Aspirin in the hospital. What is the real charge per two
> tablet envelope (typical hospital dose)? I happen to know what my last
> hospital stay billed my insurance company for aspirins.
It doesn't matter. We use block grants to the hospital. They have to deal
with whoever comes in with what they are paid.
> > Your system is just as fucked up as ours except ours costs less per
> > person AND delivers to everyone, not just White Americans.
>
> You've said enough on the subject to identify youself as a bigot and
racist.
It's racist to point out the racist origins of your health care system?
That's like saying all non-whites are racist because they don't like racism.
--
GW
Philip
> "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:7tbQd.478$VI5...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>
>> I was clear. Aspirin in the hospital. What is the real charge per
>> two tablet envelope (typical hospital dose)? I happen to know what
>> my last hospital stay billed my insurance company for aspirins.
>
> It doesn't matter. We use block grants to the hospital. They have to
> deal with whoever comes in with what they are paid.
It DOES matter. And it matters a lot. Until you people KNOW what you're
being charged, you're healthcare costs (aka taxes) will continue to rise.
This is the ruddy truth of what's happening here in the US. People are
finding out and that is causing a backlash. I also find that people who
view the government as some kind of "other" are usually people who pay a
disproportionately small tax bill or none at all. The Entitlement slackers.
>
>>> Your system is just as fucked up as ours except ours costs less per
>>> person AND delivers to everyone, not just White Americans.
>>
>> You've said enough on the subject to identify youself as a bigot and
>> racist.
>
> It's racist to point out the racist origins of your health care
> system? That's like saying all non-whites are racist because they
> don't like racism.
It's purely a racist statement on your part to differentiate with the
statement "...not just White Americans." Further, your analogy is
bankrupt.
--
- Philip
Dood
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
coverage.
Oh...wait...we don't have 45 million people of ANY sort.
Well. You know what I mean.
Philip
I don't want compulsory healthcare from a single source. Sorry. It might
interest you to learn who comprises that 45 million figure you bandy about.
If you had to support just the illegal aliens (a significant part of your
"45 million") like California does, your system would be bankrupt shortly.
Think that over.
--
- Philip
SCAM Buster
<1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>Thank you, Fred. NONE of these has the name recognition of EBay. When
>something hasn't been heard of, it may as well not exist and I think EBay
>knows this.
Very true indeed.
SB
SCAM Buster
<1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>I don't want compulsory healthcare from a single source. Sorry. It might
>interest you to learn who comprises that 45 million figure you bandy about.
>If you had to support just the illegal aliens (a significant part of your
>"45 million") like California does, your system would be bankrupt shortly.
>Think that over.
In our system (Canada) illegal aliens would not get coverage either.
SB
G W Shrub
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> I don't want compulsory healthcare from a single source. Sorry. It might
> interest you to learn who comprises that 45 million figure you bandy
about.
> If you had to support just the illegal aliens (a significant part of your
> "45 million") like California does, your system would be bankrupt shortly.
> Think that over.
We don't have compulsory healthcare from a single source. That's a myth that
Reagan and others liked to spout. That way they could get their bribes from
the insurance companies as well as the drug companies.
Some US couples with very sick children give up their children so they can
be adopted by Canadian couples - who have healthcare (see 60 minutes). So
who is supporting who?
--
N
Philip
In our (broken) system, they DO get coverage. How? The all know that all
they have to do is call the paramedics and birth a child in a US hospital.
The infant (known as an "anchor baby") is an American citizen by birth.
This entitles the parents of the child numerous social services like medical
care, public schooling, legal protections, public assistance programs, etc.
It also opens the flood gates for "family reunification" programs! Good
frrrreakin' grief! Just one of the unintended consequences are county
hospitals with hallways lined with pregnant Mexican women and hospital
bankrupcies. Los Angeles newspapers are repleat with details. The
California public is getting a belly full of it .... trust me.
--
- Philip
Philip
The situation you cite is RARE. REALLY rare.
Talking only about your healthcare where nobody is turned away and there is
no charge ... you're a single payer system. What happens in private
practice where patients can be turned away is another discussion.
--
- Philip
Jim - News Posting ID
<scammy-isms snipped>
> 4. I would estimate that the eBay site sells more items in 1
day than
> the rest of your entire list of sites sell in 1 year.
>
> SB
"I would estimate"; IOW, I have no idea, but I'm gonna throw out
another outrageous BS statement and count the salutes.
Folks, it is pointless to respond to SB's posts; you're "annoying
the pig." (http://www.lorax.com/FunStuff/Quotes_part1.html).
--
Regards, Jim - from Texas, USA
(Texas Motto: "One Riot, One Ranger")
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<snippidy>
>
> Very true indeed.
>
> SB
If you read a post from SB every morning just after you get up,
nothing worse will happen to you all day.
Jim - News Posting ID
<snippidy-do-dah>
> ...and stop whinning like a two-year-old who has just lost his
candy.
>
> SB
"No entry found for whinning."
So states the Expert on Everything, whining like a two-year-old
who has just lost his candy...and a load in his pants.
Jim - News Posting ID
>>> You have no concept of the real world.
Way to go, SB! Great lesson in diplomacy from the Expert on
Everything!
> Contact any mall here and I am sure you will find this to be
quite accurate.
And if you don't agree with me, I'll burn your damn huts down.
> BTW, I also have a degree in Business (with a major in
Finance), an
> Accounting Designation, and more years of executive level
business
> experience than I really care to recall.
> SB
Time to handout the vomit bags... http://snipurl.com/cse0 .
To paraphrase: "So please do not try and pretend that your
imagined superiority has given you all this vast body of
knowledge which somehow sets you above everyone else here.
Clearly it has not."
Well said.
Jim - News Posting ID
<snitooiage>
> then wake up to reality!
>
> SB
"'Taint what a man don't know that hurts him; it's what he knows
that just ain't so."
Jim - News Posting ID
<snip>
> If anyone tells you otherwise, they are 100% wrong.
>
> SB
"It's not denial. I'm just very particular about the reality I
choose to accept." -Calvin
Jim - News Posting ID
<snippy>
> Have it your way, as wrong as it is. I see no point in showing
someone
> like you anything as you "will not" see it.
>
> SB
"No point"? Yet he continues to make point, after point, after
pointless point.
Philip
> SCAM Buster wrote:
> <scammy-isms snipped>
>
>> 4. I would estimate that the eBay site sells more items in 1
> > day than the rest of your entire list of sites sell in 1 year.
>>
>> SB
>
> "I would estimate"; IOW, I have no idea, but I'm gonna throw out
> another outrageous BS statement and count the salutes.
>
> Folks, it is pointless to respond to SB's posts; you're "annoying
> the pig." (http://www.lorax.com/FunStuff/Quotes_part1.html).
OTOH ... it would be an interesting study to list the number of sales
consummated on eBay over a given time period contrasted with perhaps the
next largest 20 competing auction websites. Don't you think?
--
- Philip (with an inquiring mind)
Philip
> <snippidy-do-dah>
>
>> ...and stop whinning like a two-year-old who has just lost his candy.
>>
>> SB
>
> "No entry found for whinning."
>
> So states the Expert on Everything, whining like a two-year-old
> who has just lost his candy...and a load in his pants.
One could lose the load in ones pants by walking around the office spreading
manurtilizer.
--
- Philip
Philip
> <snitooiage>
>
>> then wake up to reality!
>>
>> SB
>
> "'Taint what a man don't know that hurts him; it's what he knows
> that just ain't so."
Usually I reserve this Frank McKinney Hubbard passage for college students.
;-)
--
- Philip
Garry Beattie
"Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> OTOH ... it would be an interesting study to list the number of sales
> consummated on eBay over a given time period contrasted with perhaps the
> next largest 20 competing auction websites. Don't you think?
> --
>
> - Philip (with an inquiring mind)
You must keep one important thing in mind.
Yes eBay is the giant.... at present. (As was IBM and Pan Am etc in their
heyday)
eBay started off as small time and grew.
These other sites will also need to start off small time and, given the
correct attitude and support from both buyers and sellers, will also grow.
I actually use a couple of the sites that were in that list and I can tell
you now that NONE of them are anywhere near as big (or as arrogant) as eBay
HOWEVER one of them does produce more revenue for me than eBay, so which one
do you think I am supporting most???
Garry
TeGGer®
news:93r211h8mqm3ksnup...@4ax.com:
>
> In our system (Canada) illegal aliens would not get coverage either.
>
They do actually. The same brokers that brought them in and provided them
with fake Social Insurance Cards (so they could get jobs in the first
place) supply them with fake Health Cards.
How naive are you anyway? Even with magnetic strips, Health Card fraud is
very common.
--
TeGGeR®
SCAM Buster
And you would know, I'm sure! How many do your relatives have?
SB
TeGGer®
Ah, so very cool! I have struck a nerve.
I feel like a biologist who has managed to induce an organism to perform an
action that was central to his experiment: Logic is abandoned (if it was
ever present) in favor of ad-hominem attacks and innuendo.
You are under my microscope, young fellow...
--
TeGGeR®
TeGGer®
> And you would know, I'm sure! How many do your relatives have?
Where do you live in Etobicoke?
--
TeGGeR®
Theta Pi
shopping mall and the rent goes up so you move to a small building in a
desolate area not visible from the road. You might save a couple of
bucks, but hey aint nobody coming in either!...Don't worry eBay knows
fully well that only a tiny percentage of buyers and sellers will leave
because of this, they are still the best deal in town!
And word on the street is they are very happy that the complainers are
hitting the road, they'll save money on "live help" too. TD
Jim - News Posting ID
That's also the point I was going to make. You can look back at
the first posts Pierre made on USENET SPAMming his little web
venue to many groups, in which his AuctionWatch company promoted
their "venue" of simply bringing sellers and buyers together from
a small ISP with the curious name of The East Bay Development
Company. Soon thereafter, Pierre got a little more exposure when
the rights holder to the AW name zapped him, and he kinda
disappeard for a while. Back with new money, he bought that
little ISP called East Bay Development, changed it to eBay, and
off he went. You can still see some of the old eBay server's
roots in the email nessages and URLs that start with aw-confirm,
etc. Never heard that one from the eBay resident expert, but
since his tour guide at the primate compound related the story to
me, I'm sure it's true. (SB himself was busy in the back quarters
picking ticks off his butt, so he wasn't available for comment at
the time).
As Garry mentioned above, several other companies thought they
held a lock on their marketshare and were unassailable; only to
find out different. Take Wang Labs; with the company in control
of Dr. An Wang, the guy who invented the microchip, Wang grew to
become the world leader in specialized document processing
equipment. By the time I had reached the level of VP of Technical
Services for Texas, just about every legal office in the U.S.
used Wang Computers. Dr. Wang retired to go into advanced systems
research, ala Dr. Cray, turning the Great Wang Empire over to his
son. Within a year, the company was destroyed. Also consider DEC,
"Digital Equipment Corporation". Arguably THE mini-computer
company with their PDPs, VAXs and Operating Systems. Unassailable
until purchased by a PC!?! company, Compaq, who had no clue how
to handle DEC's systems and customers. DEC died. Same with Tandem
Systems, who made the most sophisticated full-time transaction
processing systems in the world. I knew these guys well at their
height, as I was a Senior Project Manager for them, and then took
over the management of the $2 Billion U.S. Naval NISTARS
Computing Centers based in San Diego, but which stretched from
Long Beach south to Tijuana. Compaq also bought them, and had no
idea what to do with them, and they also died.
The examples would fill volumes. The bottom line for me is that
as long as I can do business on eBay and make an acceptable ROI,
I'll do business there. But I wouldn't mind other competitors
keepin' 'em honest. MS could, Froogle might, or some startup
could get enuf going to start grabbing a small share, build it
up, grab some more, etc. Whether eBay would allow this, or simply
just gobble them up, as MS does, would be an interesting scenario
to see unfold.
Jim - News Posting ID
<some snippage>
> Ah, so very cool! I have struck a nerve.
>
> I feel like a biologist who has managed to induce an organism
to
> perform an action that was central to his experiment: Logic is
> abandoned (if it was ever present) in favor of ad-hominem
attacks and
> innuendo.
>
> You are under my microscope, young fellow...
You will find poor little SB a weak study subject, but he's fun
to poke at. In reality, he's nothing more than a buffoon full of
hot air, a very poor and predicable Troll, and a baby NetKook
Wannabe-In-Training. Write your paper; just be sure to change his
diapers often.
--
Regards, Jim - from Texas, USA
(Texas Motto: "One Riot, One Ranger")
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The poor little creature won't "get" it, but I judged it apropos
anyway. His public butt is getting redder all the time.
Jim - News Posting ID
<Heil! snipped>
> One could lose the load in ones pants by walking around the
office
> spreading manurtilizer.
Or by strolling around the exercise yard in the Stalag. "YaWol,
Mein Commandant!".
Philip
>> "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
>> news:CWoQd.1302$9J5...@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>>> OTOH ... it would be an interesting study to list the number
> of sales
>>> consummated on eBay over a given time period contrasted with perhaps
>>> the next largest 20 competing auction websites. Don't you think?
>>> --
>>>
>>> - Philip (with an inquiring mind)
>>
>> You must keep one important thing in mind.
>>
>> Yes eBay is the giant.... at present. (As was IBM and Pan Am
> etc in their heyday)
>snip<
> The examples would fill volumes. The bottom line for me is that
> as long as I can do business on eBay and make an acceptable ROI,
> I'll do business there. But I wouldn't mind other competitors
> keepin' 'em honest. MS could, Froogle might, or some startup
> could get enuf going to start grabbing a small share, build it
> up, grab some more, etc. Whether eBay would allow this, or simply
> just gobble them up, as MS does, would be an interesting scenario
> to see unfold.
Both of you skirted my question. Jim brings up an interesting point ...
EBay could 'absorb' it's competition just like Microsoft and many other
large companies have done.
--
- Philip
Garry Beattie
"Jim - News Posting ID" <news...@posting.id.com> wrote in message
news:7jXQd.47853$iC4....@newssvr30.news.prodigy.com...
>
> You will find poor little SB a weak study subject, but he's fun
> to poke at. In reality, he's nothing more than a buffoon full of
> hot air, a very poor and predicable Troll, and a baby NetKook
> Wannabe-In-Training. Write your paper; just be sure to change his
> diapers often.
ROTFLMAO!!!
And you tell me not to get too close to the fence!!!
Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!
Garry Beattie
>
> Both of you skirted my question. Jim brings up an interesting point ...
> EBay could 'absorb' it's competition just like Microsoft and many other
> large companies have done.
> --
I think that may have been the case 5 or 10 years ago but I don't think it
would be cost effective these days.
For every 1 Bill Gates, there are thousands more just as smart and just as
eager to jump in and fill any void.
Years ago it cost thousands upon thousands of $$ to start up your own
business and a lot of "Bill Gates" type people were not game enough to take
the big plunge with their life savings OR simply didn't have the money to do
it in the first place, and so it was a cost effective business practice to
buy out the competition to maintain your standing.
Now days it cost's very little to start up a business and International
exposure is almost guaranteed, so more people are doing it. If you buy out
your competition 10 other people will jump right in with there business. You
can't continually buy out everyone, not even Bill Gates can do that.
The emphasis therefore must be on price and service. This is the valuable
lesson that, I believe, eBay is still yet to learn.
To get back to your original question though Philip. I would believe that if
you put the top 50 auction sites around the world together (excluding eBay
of course) they still would not match the size of eBay..... today.
Ask the same question in 2 years time and I bet the answer will be
different.
Garry
Philip
> "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote in message
> news:yB2Rd.3263$9J5....@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>
>> Both of you skirted my question. Jim brings up an interesting point
>> ... EBay could 'absorb' it's competition just like Microsoft and
>> many other large companies have done.
>> --
>
> I think that may have been the case 5 or 10 years ago but I don't
> think it would be cost effective these days.
>
> For every 1 Bill Gates, there are thousands more just as smart and
> just as eager to jump in and fill any void.
Not so. It takes much more than just being "smart and eager". MUCH more.
It's known has having all the "Right Stuff" in one place and time.
> Years ago...
>snip<
> To get back to your original question though Philip. I would believe
> that if you put the top 50 auction sites around the world together
> (excluding eBay of course) they still would not match the size of
> eBay..... today.
> Ask the same question in 2 years time and I bet the answer will be
> different.
>
> Garry
Thank you.
--
- Philip
Fred A. Murphy
On 14-Feb-2005, SCAM Buster <ffa...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 4. I would estimate that the eBay site sells more items in 1 day than
> the rest of your entire list of sites sell in 1 year.
Unless you're counting the parfulseller mugs in the ebaY store, ebaY doesn't
sell anything but ad space. Its users may sell more by advertising on ebaY
than elsewhere, but ebaY itself doesn't sell as much as I do.
Bidville has 3 million items, ebaYsiesta has less than 31,000, down from
about twice that many 12 days ago. Wagglepop has half that many, and hasn't
even opened for business yet.
--
Outgoing mail is certified bollocks
Fred A. Murphy
On 15-Feb-2005, "Garry Beattie" <gjbe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> I actually use a couple of the sites that were in that list and I can tell
> you now that NONE of them are anywhere near as big (or as arrogant) as
> eBay
> HOWEVER one of them does produce more revenue for me than eBay, so which
> one
> do you think I am supporting most???
There's also the matter of producing more income even with less revenue.
One 50K FB poster on an ebaY forum says they quit selling on ebaY with that
account and changed it over to a website. Sales are down, but profits are
up without ebaYs ridiculous overhead.
SCAM Buster
I would agree that selling from one's own site would be a lot more
profitable [if you have the sales], but getting those sales is another
story. How exactly would you generate traffic. Spam NGs. E-Mail Spam?
Pay for advertising? I have a couple of product which I sell on a
regular basis. I can sell more of them on eBay in 1 week than I could
ever sell from our website in several months. Driving "qualified"
traffic to your site is not as easy as it might sound. Ask anyone who
is in the business.
The old saying that "if you build it, they will come", does not
equally apply to cyberspace.
SB
Fred A. Murphy
On 17-Feb-2005, "Garry Beattie" <gjbe...@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> Now days it cost's very little to start up a business and International
> exposure is almost guaranteed, so more people are doing it. If you buy out
> your competition 10 other people will jump right in with there business.
> You
> can't continually buy out everyone, not even Bill Gates can do that.
There's also the increased cost of buyouts.
EbAyIndia has 60,000 listings, ebaY paid $50 million for it.
EbAyMexico has 30,000 listings, and going down (well, it had 60,000 12 days
ago)
Wagglepop has 15,000 listings, and it's not even open yet.
So what does that make Bidville, with 3 million listings worth?
Keep in mind, when you're buying these, even though you're using nothing but
funny money, you're not really buying assets, either. Those 60,000 listings
don't require more than about ten grand in mainstream computer equipment to
keep running.
Fred A. Murphy
On 14-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> Thank you, Fred. NONE of these has the name recognition of EBay. When
> something hasn't been heard of, it may as well not exist and I think EBay
> knows this.
Who heard of Mitshubishi, Toyauto, Datsun, etc in the sixties? Now what are
we driving?
Fred A. Murphy
On 14-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
> It DOES matter. And it matters a lot. Until you people KNOW what you're
> being charged, you're healthcare costs (aka taxes) will continue to rise.
> This is the ruddy truth of what's happening here in the US. People are
> finding out and that is causing a backlash. I also find that people who
> view the government as some kind of "other" are usually people who pay a
> disproportionately small tax bill or none at all. The Entitlement
> slackers.
A friend of mine is a pharmacy. He told me about the time they ran out of
insulin on a Sunday, so asked the hospital if they could buy or borrow some.
The hospital sold them a 12 pack of bottles for $11.
The next day they got their supply in and checked to see if the hosp wanted
some back. No. Then they looked at the bill. They were paying $60 for 12
bottles, so they asked the hosp if they meant to charge $11 a bottle. No
mistake, they marked them up 15%. Same product, same delivery truck.
The pharmacist continued:
"We charge $7 a bottle, and normally pay $5. The hosp pays 75¢ a bottle.
They then charge $35 a bottle, pus a $25 "hanging charge" for the hookup."
Ever wonder why it costs so much to be sick? Some insurance company passes
along that $60 charge for 75¢ of medicine, and tacks on $15 overhead, which
is reflected in your insurance bill, because you're paying 100 times
wholesale for something you could do yourself.
Fred A. Murphy
On 15-Feb-2005, "TeGGer®" <teg...@istop.c0m> wrote:
> How naive are you anyway? Even with magnetic strips, Health Card fraud is
> very common.
And as long as there are enough fingers in the pie, it will continue.
G W Shrub
"Fred A. Murphy" <NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote in message
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>
> On 14-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
> > It DOES matter. And it matters a lot. Until you people KNOW what you're
>
> A friend of mine is a pharmacy. He told me about the time they ran out of
...
> Ever wonder why it costs so much to be sick? Some insurance company
passes
> along that $60 charge for 75¢ of medicine, and tacks on $15 overhead,
which
> is reflected in your insurance bill, because you're paying 100 times
> wholesale for something you could do yourself.
Philip believes that they really did find WMD in Iraq - and the Great
Pumpkin.
GW
TeGGer®
>
> On 15-Feb-2005, "TeGGer®" <teg...@istop.c0m> wrote:
>
>> How naive are you anyway? Even with magnetic strips, Health Card
>> fraud is very common.
>
> And as long as there are enough fingers in the pie, it will continue.
>
Ontario Health Card fraud is so common that most banks will not accept
photo Health Cards as identification.
I would qualify your statement to say that "as long as the _government_ is
involved, it will continue".
--
TeGGeR®
SCAM Buster
<NOfre...@biggfredd.com> wrote:
>
>On 14-Feb-2005, "Philip" <1chip-...@earthlink.n0t> wrote:
>
>> It DOES matter. And it matters a lot. Until you people KNOW what you're
>> being charged, you're healthcare costs (aka taxes) will continue to rise.
>> This is the ruddy truth of what's happening here in the US. People are
>> finding out and that is causing a backlash. I also find that people who
>> view the government as some kind of "other" are usually people who pay a
>> disproportionately small tax bill or none at all. The Entitlement
>> slackers.
>
>A friend of mine is a pharmacy.
A pharmacy is a place not a person.
>He told me about the time they ran out of
>insulin on a Sunday, so asked the hospital if they could buy or borrow some.
> The hospital sold them a 12 pack of bottles for $11.
>
>The next day they got their supply in and checked to see if the hosp wanted
>some back. No. Then they looked at the bill. They were paying $60 for 12
>bottles, so they asked the hosp if they meant to charge $11 a bottle. No
>mistake, they marked them up 15%. Same product, same delivery truck.
>
The pharmacy paid the hospital $11 for 12 bottles which was $0.92
each.
The pharmacy paid its supplier $60 for 12 bottles which was $5.00
each.
How did you calculate your 15%?
SB
RTC
streetcorner, grossed
750K in one week without the Ebay Overhead
One -2 Poster said he became a millionaire when he started selling crack on
the corner too
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