i know who gets tenchi
Zorak03
>ryoko get's him as in the original japanese episodes and the ending song
>tenchi
>and ryoko for ever
>
>
Brother of ryoko
Flash Masta
gets Tenchi in the end. If there is hard evidence that Tenchi
marries/gets engaged to/etc one girl then I'd like to know. Honestly,
I think Ryoko comes the closest in pretty much every Tenchi Muyo story
including the movies (especially in Tenchi Forever/Tenchi Muyo In Love
2 ie. the ending).
On 16 Mar 2001 18:11:02 GMT, brother...@aol.com (Brother of ryoko)
wrote:
Poster Ex (CH)
lol ^_^
Pick-One_At-Random
I think he enjoys being bothered by six wemen everyday. Dummy. Think
about it, any person in his right mind would try to get out of that
situtation as quickly as possible. He probably doesn't have the money to
get himself an apartment, but um, I would get a job. Dummy. BIg fat
dummy. Lots of opportuniy's out there in Japan, but I guess he doesn't
know it.
merrysun
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> In most of the tapes I have, the end credits are drawn from ryo-oki's
point
> of view, but I don't think he will be marrying the cabbit/\ /\
>
Awwwww but it would be such a cute wedding. =))))
and instead of throwing rice. they would throw carrots... =))
Zorak03
uhhhh....... .... i dont know man. Really think hard about this. It would be a
reason for hanging in many locas.
Darkride
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reason for hanging in many locas?
i don't quite follow what you're saying. what does "locas" mean?
I know that "locas" means crazy women in spanish, but i have no idea what
you're talking about.
please enlighten me :)
~the Darkrider, defender of the forgotten
"My love is vengance " - The Who
OzZMaN
1.) His balls haven't dropped and he's scared shitless of the idea that he
could be getting laid 24/7 with all the hot girls wanting to strip him and have
their way with him.
2.) He's gay and Amagasaki is his secret gay lover.
What normal straight guy would dodge 2 hot chicks trying to rape him daily,
plus 4 others that would like to do the same also, they just don't show it as
easily? Makes me wanna jump into the episode and use the Light Hawk Wings on
Tenchi himself....
OzZMaN, the wielder of Holy
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Matthew C. Darby
know want me that badly. And it is embaressing.
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Poster Ex (CH)
> It's called moral decency, few people have it nowadays.
TM would be a lot less interesting without the catfights,
and just endless love scenes... ...then again...
merrysun
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>
> > It's called moral decency, few people have it nowadays.
>
> TM would be a lot less interesting without the catfights,
> and just endless love scenes... ...then again...
>
ya know... that really isn't that bad a thing...
really... stop looking at me like that.... now now...
Put down that hammer.... please?
Klyfix
1. All this stuff in the OVA series so far is happening in the course of a
few months. In that time, he's gone from having an ordinary school kid's
life to meeting several aliens, finding out that his Grandfather is half
alien and that he's part alien, fighting to save a friend (Ryoko) against
a really powerful alien, having a near-death experience in space,.finding
out that he has incredible power, killing Kagato, meeting an ancient
scientific genius who's a wee bit nuts and interested in him for
research.....well, you get the idea, perhaps. He's had a flurry of
new experiences beyond the norm, and is perhaps in something
between shock and denial part of the time.
2. Tenchi is a nice guy; maybe a little harsh on Ryoko on occasion,
but basically nice. He knows that sex with Ryoko would hurt Ayeka, and
sex with Ayeka would hurt Ryoko (although Ryoko may well be willing
to "share," she's not going to give Tenchi up entirely) and so for all that
he's definately attracted to both of them (judging by the "nosebleed in the
bath" test) he doesn't want to hurt either of them.
3. Tenchi and the girls live in fairly close proximity. It's more like a family
situation, really; particularly when he's more or less related to all of them
(although the relationship to Washu and Mihoshi is a bit stretched since
it's due to the Sasami/Tsunami assimilation bit). Sex with any one of them
would change the whole family dynamic. He doesn't want to do that.
4. He may well just think that he's too young or that he wants to be
truly In Love with The One; he wants to really be Making Love.
5. Tenchi already knows who he's going to be with. And it's not
Ryoko and it's not Ayeka. It's Tsunami, but not until Sasami and
Tsunami are fully One.
6. Actually, Tenchi and Washu are doin' it like rabbits; it's just
that nobody knows about it. :)
Klyfix shall acknowledge that the above is Silly.
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becomes extremely scared of the girls when they start coming on to him. And
where would he learn that decency from anyway? Certainly not from his father,
who is as ecchi as ever, and his grandpa not being much better. What would YOU
do in the same situation? Its not like ALL they wanna do is bang his brains
out, I mean they all love him in their own way. I just think he should respond
to it a bit more maturely. I don't know about you, but I find it particularly
gut wrenching in the Tenchi Universe series episodes 23 and 24 when Tenchi
practically treats Ryoko like a piece of shit when she is POURING her heart and
soul out to him, throwing herself onto him sobbing, begging him not to go and
face Kagato because she loved him that much that she would die if he were
killed. He doesn't even try to console her, or return the embrace, or show any
emotion whatsoever towards her. And when she is basically dying in the next
episode and risking her life to get him safely to Jurai, he barely even thanks
her, and leaves her to die in the blackness of space. Every time I watch those
scenes I get very emotional, wanting to kill Tenchi myself for his coldness.
That's why Ryoko is my favorite character, because of her pure untainted heart,
and why Tenchi really doesn't deserve her, because she loves him without
thought of herself.
Simfreak
crying on his shoulder and says i dont know what i would do with out you, it
flashes back to his face that was pretty cold and uncareing, but then he
gets this very simpothetic look on his face before it flashes back to him
pulling away from her. I agree tenchi seems pretty heartless, but he has
other things to worry about; It came down to that fight being his destiny
and that he wasnt going for the sake of ayeka, although it was a reason, he
was going because he was the only one that had the power to stop kagato from
ruling the jurai empire and to take vengence on his grandfather (maybe not
so much the vengence part) and he has no idea that she is injured, otherwise
im sure he would have made her stay back on the ship instead of letting her
come along. But by the end of EP 13 we have a pretty good idea that tenchi
will end up with ryoko and the rest was a builder to that point at the end
when *censored to prevent spoiler* that decsion then clearly comes accross
in tenchi forever where it is then finalized.
Again you have to remember the situation he is in; he didnt know she was
injured, and she had poured her heart out to him other times as well, but i
guess that he just wasnt ready to listen. Im more excited to see what
happens in OVA3 when his decsion is made.... And as i hope, Chapter2 begins
and HOPEFULY another TV series (provided it isnt shin shit)..
my 2 cents.
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Umm... wasn't Ryoko bleeding profusely at this point?
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OzZMaN
Yes, it is true that Tenchi will wind up choosing Ryoko in the third OAV, due
to the immense forshadowing of that in all of the series. But please
understand this: Many have mistaken the ending of Tenchi Forever as Tenchi
having chosen Ryoko "officially," which he doesn't do. He doesn't actually say
it, nor is their any official proof to him having chosen Ryoko. BUT, it seems
in the ending when they are sitting together on the hill AYEKA has accepted
that Tenchi probably loves Ryoko and not her, since she doesn't chase after
them when she discovers that they're alone together. But I am still
Ryoko+Tenchi fan, and I could give you evidence all day here as to why he will
eventually choose her over the rest....
In response to Klyfix:
I'm curious: what evidence do you have as to why you believe that Tenchi will
choose Sasami/Tsunami in the upcoming third OAV? There is very little
development of a relationship between Tenchi+Sasami beyond big brother+little
sister anywhere in the OAV, which is little to suggest that he will choose her
over the rest. However there is a great deal of evidence of a developing
relationship between him and Ryoko.
Sickle584th
>
> In response to Klyfix:
> I'm curious: what evidence do you have as to why you believe that Tenchi
will
> choose Sasami/Tsunami in the upcoming third OAV? There is very little
> development of a relationship between Tenchi+Sasami beyond big
brother+little
> sister anywhere in the OAV, which is little to suggest that he will choose
her
> over the rest. However there is a great deal of evidence of a developing
> relationship between him and Ryoko.
Disclaimer space - I am actually in favor of a Sasami/Tsunami - Tenchi
relationship;
However, trhe creator himself stated that the OVA series was designed around
Tenchi and Ryoko. He even mentioned that the other girls were just added in
to add spice to the story. I seriously doubt that he would do a complete 360
and have Tenchi choose a different girl.
--
Sickle 584th
Matthew C. Darby
This is more than I can say for some people.
as for the scene you mentioned, He is scared and yet commited to duty.
As he says in OVA, "I would rather die than loose any one of them."
Any choice he makes almost entails the loss of at least one on an emotional
level. Goodnes, he is just a confused kid!
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Simfreak
tended to the wound. nagai was the one who first discovered she was injured
when she poked her with her sword thing. then it wasnt until she was
electrocuted by the centry guns that she started to bleed, and that is when
asaka notcied her wound but kamadocki stopped him from saying anything. then
she started to bleed again after tenchi ran into the palace. He never knew
that she was injured that badly, otherwise im sure he would have stopped her
from coming. (not that she would have listened). then she fainted in
ryo-ohki with blood streaming down her arm, <snif> very sad scene.
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Matthew C. Darby
Tenchi is resurected by___________, who teaches him to use the lighthawk
wings.
Tenchi is named after the Master Key, ____________________ is the Master
Tree.
To revive him___________entered into tenchi's body.
________________is the only female character in ova not trying too hard, and
tenchi (choose one) is turned on/off by someone who is trying too hard.
I Rest my case.
I want ryoko to win him, but I find the above so verry compelling.
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Poster Ex (CH)
> tended to the wound. nagai was the one who first discovered she was
injured
> when she poked her with her sword thing. then it wasnt until she was
> electrocuted by the centry guns that she started to bleed, and that is
when
> asaka notcied her wound but kamadocki stopped him from saying anything.
then
> she started to bleed again after tenchi ran into the palace. He never knew
> that she was injured that badly, otherwise im sure he would have stopped
her
> from coming. (not that she would have listened). then she fainted in
> ryo-ohki with blood streaming down her arm, <snif> very sad scene.
What! Blood!
Hmmm, I fear that may have been censored from the Toonmi versions,
which annoys me A LOT !
Poster Ex (CH)
I think there could be many great scenario's,
but these are the ones I would guess likely...
A) Tenchi ends up with Ryoko...
B) Ryoko sacrifices herself for Tenchi, Tenchi marries another, always
remembers Ryoko...
( No doubt additional "Ryoko Memories" scene EG. Tenchi with wife or alone,
looking into wind, glittering with leaves/blossoms,
images of Ryoko flash by as his face expresses pleasure/nostalgia
ectectect... )
C) (This one's my perfect scenario)
Tenchi marries Washu, Ryoko travels away and gets own series :>
D) Whatever... Who knows?...
Simfreak
in the begging, the only 3 girls that were in the beging of the series were
ryoko, ayeka and sasami. seeing that ryoko was the first intorduced, and the
fact that mr.h said that tenchi and ryoko were the main charachters, it is
with out a doubt not going to be someone else.
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Klyfix
soonerc...@aol.com (OzZMaN) writes:
>
>In response to Klyfix:
>I'm curious: what evidence do you have as to why you believe that Tenchi
>will
>choose Sasami/Tsunami in the upcoming third OAV? There is very little
>development of a relationship between Tenchi+Sasami beyond big brother+little
>sister anywhere in the OAV, which is little to suggest that he will choose
>her
>over the rest. However there is a great deal of evidence of a developing
>relationship between him and Ryoko.
>
Well....
Ryoko or Ayeka are the most obvious choices. As has been noted by
another poster, Tenchi and Ryoko were the original characters the story
was about. It's perhaps _too_ obvious.
Sasami and Tenchi most certainly have the equivalent of a brother/sister
relationship; perhaps the healthiest relationship of the bunch. Not
romantic in the least. True.
From the interviews with Mr. Kajimshima we know that Tenchi has already
made his choice and had made it during the events of the first OVA (which,
we should note, pretty well eliminates Washu as a contender, as if she was
one). Yet after all that Tenchi is annoyed by the interest and attention of
Ayeka and Ryoko; would it not seem likely that he'd tell them if he'd chosen
one of them, if he knew his soulmate was one of them, rather than leaving
them stressed and in suspense?
But Tenchi met Tsunami, and she saved his life and seemed to show more
than just compassion but affection for him. I'm thinking that what Tenchi
found out, although he's in a bit of denial about it, is that he has a
Destiny and it involves Tsunami. To an extent it may well be that he's
her Pawn, but I'm guessing he realizes that he's going to be more than
that ultimately.
Of course we could be wrong, yup, yupper. And I'd certainly not be
displeased if Tenchi ends up with Ryoko, unless it's done in a really
cheesy way.
Klyfix
<ch...@hancock.karoo.co.uk> writes:
Yup, blood was deleted. Makes things a little goofy when Azaka noted
the blood as noted above, since without visible blood it looks as if
Azaka is gawking at Ryoko's figure or something. :)
Also blood gets color changed in "The Night Before The Carnival" in
the original series (what Toonami runs as just "Tenchi Muyo!"), during
Sasami's nightmare.
Sickle584th
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> Tenchi is resurected by___________, who teaches him to use the lighthawk
> wings.
> Tenchi is named after the Master Key, ____________________ is the Master
> Tree.
> To revive him___________entered into tenchi's body.
> ________________is the only female character in ova not trying too hard,
and
> tenchi (choose one) is turned on/off by someone who is trying too hard.
>
> I Rest my case.
>
> I want ryoko to win him, but I find the above so verry compelling.
Hmm... looks like I need to go back and read the interview again. Reading it
the first time around did give me that impression that Ryoko "wins" him.
--
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edi...@wctatel.net
He can marry Ryoko, Aeka, and Tsunami.
He can have all the wives he wants.
-Cyber_Ant
cybe...@masakishrine.com
Klyfix
>
>Tenchi is going to be emperor, isn't he?
>He can marry Ryoko, Aeka, and Tsunami.
>He can have all the wives he wants.
>
Well....
He's in line for it, but that's assuming that Yosho never takes the
throne (to be sure, he pretty clearly doesn't want it) and that Azusa
steps down or dies and that Ayeka doesn't become Empress in her
own right. And who actually selects the Emperor? There's some
kind of Council with some degree of power, after all.
I'm think that his Destiny might be something entirely different, although
I think that he must realize on some level that he can't just stay on Earth
and work as an architec or something.
Poster Ex (CH)
> He can marry Ryoko, Aeka, and Tsunami.
> He can have all the wives he wants.
So THAT'S the choice Tenchi made?
That he's gonna take them all?
A little indecisive, but maybe he's not so shy or "Gentlemanly" as he
appears :>
Simfreak
most powerful of the air's enharit the thrown. That is why Azusa chose that
Serio guy, because he was the most powerful of the available suiters and by
marring ayeka to him, he asured that his line would continue to rule.
So why dosnt he like tenchi? most likely its going to be jeliosy, the boy
can produce the LHW's so if tenchi wanted to he could in therory challange
Azusa for the thrown. But that is just spec.
Err. and tenchi isnt going to choose more then one of them, when he cant
even handle one of them. beside per mr. k he said that he would choose one
of them. which means, no multiple lives, no new charachter lover interests
its going to be 1 of the 6, 4 you can rule out right away, (mihoshi, washu,
sasami, tsunami) why? because they were introduced after ep3 which marked
the half point of the first ova and there for is not considered to be the
begining. sasami i rule out because well, thats just sick.
So it really comes down to Ayeka and Ryoko. We know that Ryoko fell in love
with tenchi while she watched him grow up, ayeka's whole argument is that
they were ment for each other because he is of noble blood, and that she
loves him of course. (after ep4). So one of the arguments i really liked was
that "z" could be a wild card. If some how "z" decideds to join the family
after the goddess war, it could become a love interest for ayeka seeing that
he looks a lot like tenchi just a little older (AIC's website has tenchi at
17, ryoko at 17, and ayeka at 20) so with that given there is a good
possibility that we could see a new charachter and possibly a sencible
ending to Ryo-ohki chapter 1. And it would set up chapter2 very nicely.
just my 2 cents.
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Klyfix
<ch...@hancock.karoo.co.uk> writes:
Well now, maybe he just knows that to reject any one of them would
hurt their feelings; he's basically a nice guy.
Of course if married them all he'd end up being a very _tired_ guy,
I'd think.
Sickle584th
> Of course if married them all he'd end up being a very _tired_ guy,
> I'd think.
I take it you've never read "Flight Of The Intruder"? One of the pilots in
that book have a real hankering for Thailand because of, umm, yeah... just
go and read it hehehe!!!
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Wharpt
>From: kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix)
>Date: 4/3/2001 6:14 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20010403191454...@nso-bj.aol.com>
>
>In article <tcehtai...@corp.supernews.co.uk>, "Poster Ex \(CH\)"
><ch...@hancock.karoo.co.uk> writes:
>
>>
>>> Tenchi is going to be emperor, isn't he?
>>> He can marry Ryoko, Aeka, and Tsunami.
>>> He can have all the wives he wants.
>>
>>So THAT'S the choice Tenchi made?
>>That he's gonna take them all?
>>A little indecisive, but maybe he's not so shy or "Gentlemanly" as he
>>appears :>
>>
>
>Well now, maybe he just knows that to reject any one of them would
>hurt their feelings; he's basically a nice guy.
>
>Of course if married them all he'd end up being a very _tired_ guy,
>I'd think.
>
>V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
>Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
>RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
>I survived the Storm of '01. Whoopee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Wharpt towards the Red :-Ţ
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Klyfix
(Wharpt) writes:
>
>>Of course if married them all he'd end up being a very _tired_ guy,
>>I'd think.
>>
>And you don't think they're running him ragged already?
Oh, true enough; but with, uh, marital obligations, and just having a
more formal set of responsiblities it would be more demanding. Being
married to even one person can be exhaustring and stressful; being
with several, particularly when they aren't just submissive little
wives but women who are your equals or betters and who won't
just do what you say, could be very demanding. Also pretty
rewarding, I'd suppose.
JonLke
>rewarding, I'd suppose.
>
Sally 4/5/01"I have Five Wives", Tom has five wives, two pairs of them are
sisters, one of them is a step-daughter. He married them at the yougest age at
14. The wives delegate duties among themselves and have a night schedule. One
specializies in doing the cooking(Sasami?), another the laundry,etc. They live
in rural Utah, USA. The Masakis live isolated in rural Okayama, and Yosho
could provide insight as to how to avoid attracting suspicion. (Strange that
all those 'ufo' crashes seem not to have caused any investigation!)So it is
doable!
JonLke
Klyfix
(JonLke) writes:
Uh, well.....
That rather sounds like a so-called "Fundamentalist Mormon" family. Rather
a different situation, as there's a religious doctrine and commitment (which
we should note of course the Latter Day Saints now do not follow) involved.
While this family might not be dysfunctional, I shall note that there have
been communities of Fundamentalist Mormons who treat the women as
chattel; sometimes requiring their teenage girls to marry much older men
without their real consent. They aren't equals with the husband, not by
a long shot.
I should note that I've seen folk like this on a number of programs, and
a "60 Minutes" bit on a town of such folk. Was several years ago (did
I mention that I'm not terribly young?) though; haven't heard much
about that in years other than a clarification by game designer Sandy
Petersen (Call of Cthulhu, DOOM) when someone on a mailing list
assumed Mormons were still polygamists and he noted that such
folk were from an LDS perspective "damnable heretics."
Now in the case of Tenchi and company, you have several women who
are independent thinkers; while it's possible that at the beginning of the
series Ayeka would marry someone on an order she certainly
wouldn't at the end. Same for Sasami. And woe to any guy who dared
to _try_ and force Ryoko or Washu to do something. Different thing,
really.
Little nemo 212
>are independent thinkers;
Thinkers??!! Well, Mihoshi hardly has a high IQ, Washu thinks too much, Sasami
always seems to be miles away, staring into space, while all Ryoko and Ayeka
think about are Tenchi.
Only Kiyone, Sakuya, Tsunami and co seem to be all there....
I may be horribly wrong; after all, i have only just gotten into Tenchi Muyo...
Nemo
ttvp
> >are independent thinkers;
>
> Thinkers??!! Well, Mihoshi hardly has a high IQ, Washu thinks too much,
Sasami
> always seems to be miles away, staring into space, while all Ryoko and
Ayeka
> think about are Tenchi.
> Only Kiyone, Sakuya, Tsunami and co seem to be all there....
Don't forget Tenchi...
Bruce Grubb
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) wrote:
>>Now in the case of Tenchi and company, you have several women who
>>are independent thinkers;
>
>Thinkers??!! Well, Mihoshi hardly has a high IQ, Washu thinks too much, Sasami
>always seems to be miles away, staring into space, while all Ryoko and Ayeka
>think about are Tenchi.
Depends on the version. The OVA Mihoshi is more scatterbrained than stupid
and the OVA Washu plays her mad scientist mask to the hilt because she
doesn't want to be hurt again. OVA Sasami may believe that she is not 'real'
butshe doesn't seem miles away.
>Only Kiyone, Sakuya, Tsunami and co seem to be all there...
Tsunami isn't around enough to make any judgements and she seems to not fully
grasp human emotions from what little we do see of her. Sakuya like Mayuka
is a creation of another force out for revenge and Kiyone only has feelings
for Tenchi in the Tenchi in Tokyo continuity.
>I may be horribly wrong; after all, i have only just gotten into Tenchi Muyo...
Considering that there are minimum of three continties in the anime versions
(not counting the Pretty Sammy) you need watch more before making any
conclusions. The OVA and TV version have different enough personalities that
one cannot paint them with such a broad brush.
Little nemo 212
>(not counting the Pretty Sammy) you need watch more before making any
>conclusions. The OVA and TV version have different enough personalities that
>one cannot paint them with such a broad brush.
Easier said than done, i'm afraid...
I live in the UK, where the public seem to fear all anime, afraid that a show
like, say, the Pretty Sammy OVAs, will corrupt our children's little minds,
even though Pretty Sammy isn't that strong in content...
On top of that, no distribution company has released the Tenchi Universe
series, the Tenchi in Tokyo series, or the third movie in this country. The
problem is...anime just won't sell in the UK like it will in North America, and
so I, along with every other British anime fan, will have to carry on
importing...
Call me a whinger and a moaner, but you Americans should be so lucky...
Thanks though for the corrections.
>one cannot paint them with such a broad brush.
(didn't have to be so mean, though; give a newbie fan a break ^_^)
Nemo
Bruce Grubb
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) wrote:
>>Considering that there are minimum of three continties in the anime versions
>>(not counting the Pretty Sammy) you need watch more before making any
>>conclusions. The OVA and TV version have different enough personalities that
>>one cannot paint them with such a broad brush.
>
>Easier said than done, i'm afraid...
>I live in the UK, where the public seem to fear all anime, afraid that a show
>like, say, the Pretty Sammy OVAs, will corrupt our children's little minds,
>even though Pretty Sammy isn't that strong in content...
And I though we here in the US across the pond were neurotic. :-)
>On top of that, no distribution company has released the Tenchi Universe
>series, the Tenchi in Tokyo series, or the third movie in this country.
Ouch. And the the sited that give synopsis don't provided enough to really
get a feel for the characters.
>The problem is...anime just won't sell in the UK like it will in
>North America, and
>so I, along with every other British anime fan, will have to carry on
>importing...
Any idea as to why anime doens't sell as well in the UK?
Klyfix
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
>
>>Considering that there are minimum of three continties in the anime versions
>
>>(not counting the Pretty Sammy) you need watch more before making any
>>conclusions. The OVA and TV version have different enough personalities
>that
>>one cannot paint them with such a broad brush.
>
>Easier said than done, i'm afraid...
>I live in the UK, where the public seem to fear all anime, afraid that a show
>like, say, the Pretty Sammy OVAs, will corrupt our children's little minds,
>even though Pretty Sammy isn't that strong in content...
>
>On top of that, no distribution company has released the Tenchi Universe
>series, the Tenchi in Tokyo series, or the third movie in this country. The
>problem is...anime just won't sell in the UK like it will in North America,
>and
>so I, along with every other British anime fan, will have to carry on
>importing...
>
I suppose we get the benefit of having such a large market; it's easier to make
a profit here. I don't think there's really all _that_ many fans of Anime
beyond
the stuff that gets on broadcast TV (Pokemon and the like), plus the fans
of "Dragonball Z" (the popularity of which escapes me) and "Sailor Moon"
(syndication and cable), but with so many people here even a tiny percentage
ends up being a lot of people.
Klyfix
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
>
>>Now in the case of Tenchi and company, you have several women who
>>are independent thinkers;
>
>Thinkers??!! Well, Mihoshi hardly has a high IQ, Washu thinks too much,
>Sasami
>always seems to be miles away, staring into space, while all Ryoko and Ayeka
>think about are Tenchi.
>Only Kiyone, Sakuya, Tsunami and co seem to be all there....
>
Might have been a bad choice of words on my part. I was more meaning
that the women are not the sort who would do the old "The Man is the Head
of the House" bit, doing a husband's bidding. Even Mihoshi (in the OVA
original) does her own thing, flouting orders. And while Ayeka is superficially
"traditional" perhaps, she's one who'd end up dominant in a relationship
much of the time (something I've seen in the Real World a fair bit; the couple
where the man is supposedly The Boss but where the brains and the drive
of the family is the wife). Polygamous relationships tend to be ones where
there's an ideology of the Man is the Master and the women submissive,
at least amongst most groups around now.
Little nemo 212
Simple, really. Our classification system, the British Board of Film
Classification (BBFC), and anime have had a very rough past...
For instance, when Manga Entertainment wanted to bring Urotsukidoji (which is
terrible, by the way) to the UK, the BBFC had a fit, discovering what content
the series had. I also recall some trouble bringing Neon Genesis Evangelion
over here, too (can't remember why, though; overheard conversation on one of
the Evangelion newsgroups)...
Also, channels like the Sci-Fi channel and Cartoon Network seem to have a
limited knowledge of anime, and so keep on showing the same stuff (Patlabor,
Gundam Wing, the Lupin films, etc.) I have seen Akira and Ghost in the Shell on
TV so many times now that, if i see it again...well, you don't wanna know ^_^
It was different in the 80s, though, when the BBFC weren't that powerful, and
any old video nasty could come into the UK without the BBFC knowing about it...
>And I though we here in the US across the pond were neurotic. :-)
You're not neurotic. We're just too bloody uptight and traditionalist (you can
see my hatred of Republicanism coming through here ^_^)...
Mainland Europe, now tha's a totally different story. I do believe they got
Sailor Moon before us, they got Dragonball Z (piss-poor, as well) before us,
and there are many shows released in Europe that never see the light of day in
the UK (revolutionary girl utena, for example) Also note that I first heard
about Tenchi Muyo when I was in Portugal...
So, to conclude, as an anime fan, I wish i lived in America. That way i
wouldn't have to scour my country looking for anime videos...
Thank you for your time...
Nemo
Wharpt
>From: kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix)
>Message-id: <20010409235546...@nso-bj.aol.com>
>
>In article <20010408110304...@ng-fs1.aol.com>,
>little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
>
>>
>>>Now in the case of Tenchi and company, you have several women who
>>>are independent thinkers;
>>
>>Thinkers??!! Well, Mihoshi hardly has a high IQ, Washu thinks too much,
>>Sasami
>>always seems to be miles away, staring into space, while all Ryoko and Ayeka
>>think about are Tenchi.
>>Only Kiyone, Sakuya, Tsunami and co seem to be all there....
>>
>
>Might have been a bad choice of words on my part. I was more meaning
>that the women are not the sort who would do the old "The Man is the Head
>of the House" bit, doing a husband's bidding. Even Mihoshi (in the OVA
>original) does her own thing, flouting orders. And while Ayeka is
>superficially
>"traditional" perhaps, she's one who'd end up dominant in a relationship
>much of the time (something I've seen in the Real World a fair bit; the
>couple
>where the man is supposedly The Boss but where the brains and the drive
>of the family is the wife). Polygamous relationships tend to be ones where
>there's an ideology of the Man is the Master and the women submissive,
>at least amongst most groups around now.
>
and wives taking care of the kids.
So, how about Yosho (out of masquerade) and Tenchi with the girls?
>V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
>Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
>RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
>I survived the Storm of '01. Whoopee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Wharpt towards the Red :-Ž
Poster Ex (CH)
> I live in the UK, where the public seem to fear all anime
Sci-fi show Anime every Saturday night...
Sadly I get KIT which is crap, and doesn't even get E4, let alone Sci-Fi!
Grrrrrr...
Little nemo 212
>Sadly I get KIT which is crap, and doesn't even get E4, let alone Sci-Fi!
I know. But they show the same stuff all the time. I remember one time when
they tried to put on the original Tenchi Muyo OVA (not the Toonami version,
obviously), but for some reason, they stopped after episode 5, which would be a
pisser to some who don't know the show and are watching it for the first time
(they would want to know what happened to Tenchi after he got blown up, and
wonder if Kagato would be defeated).
I stopped watching anime on Sci-Fi a long time ago. May I ask what KIT is?
Poster Ex (CH)
when
> they tried to put on the original Tenchi Muyo OVA (not the Toonami
version,
> obviously), but for some reason, they stopped after episode 5, which would
be a
> pisser to some who don't know the show and are watching it for the first
time
> (they would want to know what happened to Tenchi after he got blown up,
and
> wonder if Kagato would be defeated).
>
> I stopped watching anime on Sci-Fi a long time ago. May I ask what KIT is?
They do?
That's GREAT, 'cos I've missed loads, if they keep repeating,
I can watch all the stuff I missed ^_^
KIT stands for Kingston Interactive Television,
Only available to Kingston Communications customers,
It *should* be great, as it is an ADSL service, with an On-demand service,
'cept I don't get the internet on it,
and it hasn't developed its On-demand service yet,
So its just a second-rate digital service until then *sigh*...
edi...@wctatel.net
> a profit here. I don't think there's really all _that_ many fans of Anime
> beyond
> the stuff that gets on broadcast TV (Pokemon and the like), plus the fans
> of "Dragonball Z" (the popularity of which escapes me) and "Sailor Moon"
> (syndication and cable), but with so many people here even a tiny percentage
> ends up being a lot of people.
That is a good thing about living in a large diverse country.
More stuff avalible.
-Cyber_Ant
cybe...@masakishrine.com
Klyfix
(Wharpt) writes:
>
>>Might have been a bad choice of words on my part. I was more meaning
>>that the women are not the sort who would do the old "The Man is the Head
>>of the House" bit, doing a husband's bidding. Even Mihoshi (in the OVA
>>original) does her own thing, flouting orders. And while Ayeka is
>>superficially
>>"traditional" perhaps, she's one who'd end up dominant in a relationship
>>much of the time (something I've seen in the Real World a fair bit; the
>>couple
>>where the man is supposedly The Boss but where the brains and the drive
>>of the family is the wife). Polygamous relationships tend to be ones where
>>there's an ideology of the Man is the Master and the women submissive,
>>at least amongst most groups around now.
>>
>I think I'd prefer Heinlien's group or line marriages better. Multiple
>husbands
>and wives taking care of the kids.
That would be closer to some Polyamory relationships that exist at present,
although I'm not aware of anybody quite trying something like the
multi-generational aspect of the line marriages.
>So, how about Yosho (out of masquerade) and Tenchi with the girls?
Hmm, that would be rather, umm, interesting. Would likely lead
to eps that would never make it on Toonami, methinks. :)
JonLke
>"traditional" perhaps, she's one who'd end up dominant in a relationship
Say as "head wife", in charge of the other wives, as in assigning duties and
schedules. Sasami already has her duties, so what duties and responsiblities
would the others have? Comments?
JonLke
Mighty Hermit
-S
Matthew C. Darby
taking out the trash, cleaning the bathroom, etc.
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OTL
Washu would have to clean the toilet, but she'd trick Ryoko into doing
it for her... :)
--
Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
"Maybe this world is another planet's Hell."
-Aldous Huxley
edi...@wctatel.net
It's never boring?
-Cyber_Ant
cybe...@masakishrine.com
Klyfix
(JonLke) writes:
Hmmm......
Assuming that Tenchi is with all the ladies, and they're on Earth,
and assuming the OVA versions (meaning also no Kiyone)...
Mihoshi: Well, she's a Galaxy Police detective, so she's got a job
and most likely some kind of income. In the OVA, she seems rather
capable of doing household chores (she peeled potatoes rather better
than both Ayeka and Ryoko for instance) and cheerfully willing to do
so. She would certainly be contributing.
Washu: Hmm, while she's been assigned chores in the past, one thinks
her main duty is just keeping everything working. I note the TV that can
bring in galactic broadcasts; we assume that she's the creator of that
thing. I'd think she'd be tutoring Sasami and heck, probably Ryoko
also (remember, Ryoko never had a proper childhood, with Washu
imprisoned and Kagato exploiting her.). Heck, she might well tutor
the whole lot a bit; Tenchi in particular is rather obviously not quite
up to speed on the whole of How The Galaxy Works, being born on
a backwater dirt ball like this.
Ryoko: Well, goodness. Ryoko is essentially a teenager with a rather
dysfunctional upbringing. She works reluctantly, if at all. Can't cook.
Ain't that good at housework. Doesn't comprehend a lot of the basics
of life. She might well suggest "Tenchi's permanent bedwarmer" as
her job, but as near as we can figure she's most likely either a virgin
or a victim of Kagato (one thinks, "don't go there") and may not be
that great there either, plus of course the other ladies would never
let her get away with that.
I think she'd try to help out to make Tenchi happy and perhaps to try
and get along with everybody else, but she's not that good at anything
other than fighting. Hmm, considering that Tenchi's talents and status
will most likely be known accross the Galaxy defending the household
might well be enough of a job.
Ryo-ohki: Hey, once she's more of a grown up she's in the running, and
in any event she's in the household. Well, she kind of likes gardening, but
on the other hand she also likes the carrots; they might not make it past
harvest. And she's both the house cat (sorta) and the spaceship. Would
Tenchi be able to accept an adult Ryo-ohki human form as a wife/lover?
Hmm, noting that some otaku guys were virtually panting and drooling
over Aisha Clan Clan from "Outlaw Star" it's certainly not totally out
of the question for Human males to find a Furry attractive. :)
Little nemo 212
>her main duty is just keeping everything working. I note the TV that can
>bring in galactic broadcasts; we assume that she's the creator of that
>thing. I'd think she'd be tutoring Sasami and heck, probably Ryoko
>also (remember, Ryoko never had a proper childhood, with Washu
>imprisoned and Kagato exploiting her.). Heck, she might well tutor
>the whole lot a bit; Tenchi in particular is rather obviously not quite
>up to speed on the whole of How The Galaxy Works, being born on
>a backwater dirt ball like this.
Not only that, but she could take care of Tenchi's cousin (OVA - Hello Baby!)
Nemo
Little nemo 212
Right on both counts; the same applies for over here in the UK, too. Fans of
anime keep their eyes glued to their TVs, channel-hopping frantically in all
hours of the day, eager to find some anime. But, with the amount of anime that
is allowed to pass through into the UK, they do not find that much...
Shows like 'Dragonball Z', 'Sailor Moon', 'Pokemon', 'Digimon' and the like all
have their fan groups somewhere, who, most of which are children who have
little knowledge of the shows outside of what they see on screen...
Finally, while you say a tiny percentage in Notrh America means a lot of
people, over here, it's more like a tiny percentage means very few people. But
then, Cartoon Network, Fox Kids and the like wouldn't still be showing anime if
people weren't watching them?
Nemo
Wharpt
>From: kly...@aol.comedy (Klyfix)
>Message-id: <20010411002016...@nso-ba.aol.com>
>
>In article <20010410093238...@ng-fl1.aol.com>, wha...@aol.com
>(Wharpt) writes:
>
>>
>>>Might have been a bad choice of words on my part. I was more meaning
>>>that the women are not the sort who would do the old "The Man is the Head
>>>of the House" bit, doing a husband's bidding. Even Mihoshi (in the OVA
>>>original) does her own thing, flouting orders. And while Ayeka is
>>>superficially
>>>"traditional" perhaps, she's one who'd end up dominant in a relationship
>>>much of the time (something I've seen in the Real World a fair bit; the
>>>couple
>>>where the man is supposedly The Boss but where the brains and the drive
>>>of the family is the wife). Polygamous relationships tend to be ones where
>>>there's an ideology of the Man is the Master and the women submissive,
>>>at least amongst most groups around now.
>>>
>>I think I'd prefer Heinlien's group or line marriages better. Multiple
>>husbands
>>and wives taking care of the kids.
>
>That would be closer to some Polyamory relationships that exist at present,
>although I'm not aware of anybody quite trying something like the
>multi-generational aspect of the line marriages.
>
>>So, how about Yosho (out of masquerade) and Tenchi with the girls?
>
>Hmm, that would be rather, umm, interesting. Would likely lead
>to eps that would never make it on Toonami, methinks. :)
>
>V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
>Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
>RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
>I survived the Storm of '01. Whoopee.
>
>
>
>
>
>
Little nemo 212
>
>Shows like 'Dragonball Z', 'Sailor Moon', 'Pokemon', 'Digimon' and the like
>all
>have their fan groups somewhere, who, most of which are children who have
>little knowledge of the shows outside of what they see on screen...
>
>Finally, while you say a tiny percentage in Notrh America means a lot of
>people, over here, it's more like a tiny percentage means very few people.
>But
>then, Cartoon Network, Fox Kids and the like wouldn't still be showing anime
>if
>people weren't watching them?
I forgot to add one bit......
TV does play a very important role in distributing anime, like what was said
before in this discussion...
>I don't think there's really all _that_ many fans of Anime
>>> beyond
>>> the stuff that gets on broadcast TV (Pokemon and the like)
But also, it depends on what the channel's perception of the general public are
like, and what they think the public will enjoy...
E.g. Here in the UK, there is no way 'Evangelion' could make it to British
television, simply because the content of the show is 'too much for the public
to handle'...
But, then again, the same could be applied to a show like 'Pokemon'. Sky One (a
cable channel here in the UK who first brought the Pokmon show here) took a
very big risk when they put Pokemon on. Luckily for them, it paid off and
Pokemon turned nearly as popular here than it did on the other side of the
pond...
Also, the Toonami in the US and the Toonami in the UK are different, in a way.
Being truthful, I didn't expect Cartoon Network UK to show both the Tenchi Muyo
OVA and the Tenchi Universe series, and pull it off without too many complaints
or negative letters from the general public.
Too bad the same can't be said for 'The Vision of Escaflowne', which is being
shown here on Fox Kids (the second half of the series, along with Episode 1 are
not shown...ever...), which is a pisser, cos I wanna know what happens without
importing...
Nemo
Klyfix
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
>
>>I don't think there's really all _that_ many fans of Anime
>>>> beyond
>>>> the stuff that gets on broadcast TV (Pokemon and the like)
>
>But also, it depends on what the channel's perception of the general public
>are
>like, and what they think the public will enjoy...
>
>E.g. Here in the UK, there is no way 'Evangelion' could make it to British
>television, simply because the content of the show is 'too much for the
>public
>to handle'...
>
Hmm, interesting. Just last night I was watching on "The International
Channel" (American cable channel with a lot of different foreign programming
and some subtitled Anime) a short Anime series they ran as part of this month's
"Japanese Action" theme for the International Movie.
Series was "Earthian," in which a pair of Angels deal with humans (the
"Earthians" of the title) and if they are so evil that the Earth should be
destroyed; if I'm not mistaken that's something like part of the plot of
"Evangelion." The bit more surprising, and that would most certainly
keep it off American broadcast TV and most regular cable outlets,
is a "yaoi" aspect to the plot; the pair of Angels who are doing the
checking of good and evil are both male and become lovers, and
there's some romantic conflict of sorts later in the same vein.
While that bit was a bit off-putting, the plots were quite good and
it was often visually quite striking. And for all that the cable channel
gave in a "TV MA" rating (that's what they give stuff that's essentially
porn) there was nothing really to gross out us straight males unless
one is _really_ over sensitive.
Could that be shown on British TV?
>But, then again, the same could be applied to a show like 'Pokemon'. Sky One
>(a
>cable channel here in the UK who first brought the Pokmon show here) took a
>very big risk when they put Pokemon on. Luckily for them, it paid off and
>Pokemon turned nearly as popular here than it did on the other side of the
>pond...
>
>Also, the Toonami in the US and the Toonami in the UK are different, in a
>way.
>Being truthful, I didn't expect Cartoon Network UK to show both the Tenchi
>Muyo
>OVA and the Tenchi Universe series, and pull it off without too many
>complaints
>or negative letters from the general public.
>
I wonder if our Cartoon Network has actually had much in the way
of complaints relating to "Tenchi, actually. Anybody know?
Off hand, about the only Toonami thing that I might have had a problem
with were I a parent would perhaps be the ep of "Outlaw Star" titled
"Girls, Cats, and Spaceships" in which SPOILER.....
....a character falls for a girl, but later ends up unknowingly in space
combat with her and kills her, never knowing it. That strikes me as
potentially very disturbing to a child; a whole lot more than hearing
Ryoko say "Saki." Which, I hasten to add, doesn't mean that was
a bad episode of OS, 'cause it was extremely well done. But
unnerving.
Matthew C. Darby
or do they do that to videos? I know they do that to theatrical films, as we
sometimes get copies of Empire Mag. in the States.
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Little nemo 212
>or do they do that to videos? I know they do that to theatrical films, as we
>sometimes get copies of Empire Mag. in the States.
Yep, they do do that to anime videos...
Over here, any video ever made has to be passed by our classification board,
the British Board of Film Classification (BBFC), before it can ever be
released...
As for the Tenchi OVA, all the episodes except the two episodes involving
Kagato, and 'The Night Before the Carnival' were given a 'PG' (same as your PG,
I think)...
However, the other episodes were given a '12' certificate, which is similar to
your 'PG-13', but goes along the lines of no-one under 12 years of age being
allowed to watch it. Hope that answered your question...
PS Didn't know Empire made it to the States (?)...
Nemo
Little nemo 212
>keep it off American broadcast TV and most regular cable outlets,
>is a "yaoi" aspect to the plot; the pair of Angels who are doing the
>checking of good and evil are both male and become lovers, and
>there's some romantic conflict of sorts later in the same vein.
>While that bit was a bit off-putting, the plots were quite good and
>it was often visually quite striking. And for all that the cable channel
>gave in a "TV MA" rating (that's what they give stuff that's essentially
>porn) there was nothing really to gross out us straight males unless
>one is _really_ over sensitive.
>
>Could that be shown on British TV?
Not a chance in hell...
You're lucky, because in America, TV programmes are actually given a
certificate of classification...
Over here is a different story...
What we have is what can be descibed as a 'watershed'. This is a cut-off point
between family viewing and, well, the opposite...
Over here, our cut-off point is about 9pm; at this time, broadcasters assume
children have gone to bed, or gone and done something else (totally untrue,
nowadays).
On encrypted cable channels, like some of our movie channels, the 'watershed'
is dropped down to 8pm...
As well as 'protecting children', there is also the point of not offending
adults, as well.
>That strikes me as
>potentially very disturbing to a child; a whole lot more than hearing
>Ryoko say "Saki."
Obviously, that would have been disturbing for a child to watch, and the
channel broadcasting it would be geting angry letters night and day. As for
Ryoko not saying 'Sake' in the Toonami versions, there is the idea that
children have to be protected from all evils, even alcohol (long-shot theory I
heard about in film class, but makes sense when you think about it)...
>>E.g. Here in the UK, there is no way 'Evangelion' could make it to British
>>television, simply because the content of the show is 'too much for the
>>public
>>to handle'...
I was also trying to make the point that Brits here wouldn't understand the
show, no matter when it was shown during the day. I mean, just watch one single
episode, and you'll see what I'm getting at...
Nemo
PS going back to what you said about two male lovers' 'activities' making it to
British TV, one exception could be that 'Queer as Folk' show that was made here
in the UK. That was about male homosexual activity, but it was mixed with
typical British social realism, so it became a hit, despite all the angry
letters the makers got. A show like 'Outlaw Star' couldn't, because it mixes
science-fiction, animation and homosexuality, which is a litle too much for us
Brits to handle...
Matthew C. Darby
I can also get "PC Home".
Plus about half the hobby books I have read related to sci-fi or gaming or
puppetry, seem to have originated in britan.
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>puppetry, seem to have originated in britan.
Oh yeah...
I think Games Workshop is the main culprit there..
I tried to get into that a few years back, but whenever I walked into my local
store, everyone, even the little 6-year-old gamers shouting 'Kill! Kill! Kill!'
at their little soldiers as they throw dice across the table, knew about ten
times as much as I ever could, so I quit...
Nemo
Klyfix
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
Actually, even if Tenchi picked just one of the ladies and stayed on Earth
there's a pretty good chance that there would still be an extended Masaki
family with the other women still around. And our favorite 20K + year old
genius has shown that she's the most competent with a child; it's entirely
possible that she'd help to raise Tenchi's kids even if she's not the mommy.
Particularly, I think, if Tenchi picked Ryoko; heck, she'd be Grandma after
all. :)
Klyfix
little...@aol.com (Little nemo 212) writes:
>
>Right on both counts; the same applies for over here in the UK, too. Fans of
>anime keep their eyes glued to their TVs, channel-hopping frantically in all
>hours of the day, eager to find some anime. But, with the amount of anime
>that
>is allowed to pass through into the UK, they do not find that much...
>
>Shows like 'Dragonball Z', 'Sailor Moon', 'Pokemon', 'Digimon' and the like
>all
>have their fan groups somewhere, who, most of which are children who have
>little knowledge of the shows outside of what they see on screen...
>
>Finally, while you say a tiny percentage in Notrh America means a lot of
>people, over here, it's more like a tiny percentage means very few people.
>But
>then, Cartoon Network, Fox Kids and the like wouldn't still be showing anime
>if
>people weren't watching them?
>
Well, there's at least enough of an audiance to pay for them, and those
networks need content of some kind in any event. At the moment, I suppose
there's probably more Anime being produced or at least available than
any other animation around, so it's a bit hard not to have at least some
anime on a channel aimed at kids. Still, that means that the Masses get
the lighter stuff, not the more amibitious stuff.
Little nemo 212
>anime on a channel aimed at kids
Actually, I don't think that's true...
Over here in the UK, the 'masses', as you call them, first got fascinated with
Japanese animation when Pokemon and Digimon came to terrestrial television and
the Pokemon and Digimon movies came to our cinema screens; about a year or so
ago. Of course, before that, there were those 'seasons' that some channels put
up, showing the same ol' anime films (Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Patlabor,
etc.)...
Don't forget that a channel has a choice whether to show Japanese animation or
not, and whether they take that choice depends on (and this is what I believe)
where they live and what they think the public will enjoy...
As I have emphasised a number of times in this newsgroup, what UK children want
and what US children want are two totally different things...
>Still, that means that the Masses get
>the lighter stuff, not the more amibitious stuff.
I agree with this, though...
The problem is, with the general public, animation (as a whole) is pigeonholed
too easily as kid's entertainment, mainly because it's not 'real'. So more
anime for kids are shown in the West, than anime for more mature audiences.
When a kids channel like Cartoon Network discover nudity scenes and people
shouting out an alcoholic drink like 'Sake' in one of the cartoons they plan to
broadcast, they panic and cut it out or dub over it, in the idea that the
children who are ''more likely to watch it'' will be further protected from the
evils of the world...
nemo
Matthew C. Darby
"RYOKO! Don't scold my gandchild like that! DO IT THIS WAY!!" ^-^
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Bob
this group and this thread caught my eye. I thought that Tsunami gets Tenchi
in the end. I've never seen the end so I don't know but isn't that Tsunami
kissing Tenchi in the blurbs around comercials?
--
Bob
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> "OzZMaN" <soonerc...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20010330121815...@ng-md1.aol.com...
> >
> > In response to Klyfix:
> > I'm curious: what evidence do you have as to why you believe that
Tenchi
> will
> > choose Sasami/Tsunami in the upcoming third OAV? There is very little
> > development of a relationship between Tenchi+Sasami beyond big
> brother+little
> > sister anywhere in the OAV, which is little to suggest that he will
choose
> her
> > over the rest. However there is a great deal of evidence of a
developing
> > relationship between him and Ryoko.
>
> Disclaimer space - I am actually in favor of a Sasami/Tsunami - Tenchi
> relationship;
>
> However, trhe creator himself stated that the OVA series was designed
around
> Tenchi and Ryoko. He even mentioned that the other girls were just added
in
> to add spice to the story. I seriously doubt that he would do a complete
360
> and have Tenchi choose a different girl.
>
> --
> Sickle 584th
>
>
Bob
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> In article <20010330121815...@ng-md1.aol.com>,
> soonerc...@aol.com (OzZMaN) writes:
>
> >
> >In response to Klyfix:
> >I'm curious: what evidence do you have as to why you believe that Tenchi
> >will
> >choose Sasami/Tsunami in the upcoming third OAV? There is very little
> >development of a relationship between Tenchi+Sasami beyond big
brother+little
> >sister anywhere in the OAV, which is little to suggest that he will
choose
> >her
> >over the rest. However there is a great deal of evidence of a developing
> >relationship between him and Ryoko.
> >
>
> Well....
>
> Ryoko or Ayeka are the most obvious choices. As has been noted by
> another poster, Tenchi and Ryoko were the original characters the story
> was about. It's perhaps _too_ obvious.
>
> Sasami and Tenchi most certainly have the equivalent of a brother/sister
> relationship; perhaps the healthiest relationship of the bunch. Not
> romantic in the least. True.
>
> From the interviews with Mr. Kajimshima we know that Tenchi has already
> made his choice and had made it during the events of the first OVA (which,
> we should note, pretty well eliminates Washu as a contender, as if she was
> one). Yet after all that Tenchi is annoyed by the interest and attention
of
> Ayeka and Ryoko; would it not seem likely that he'd tell them if he'd
chosen
> one of them, if he knew his soulmate was one of them, rather than leaving
> them stressed and in suspense?
>
> But Tenchi met Tsunami, and she saved his life and seemed to show more
> than just compassion but affection for him. I'm thinking that what Tenchi
> found out, although he's in a bit of denial about it, is that he has a
> Destiny and it involves Tsunami. To an extent it may well be that he's
> her Pawn, but I'm guessing he realizes that he's going to be more than
> that ultimately.
>
> Of course we could be wrong, yup, yupper. And I'd certainly not be
> displeased if Tenchi ends up with Ryoko, unless it's done in a really
> cheesy way.
>
> V. S. Greene : kly...@aol.com : Boston, near Arkham...
> Eckzylon: http://m1.aol.com/klyfix/eckzylon.html
> RPG and SF, predictions, philosophy, and other things.
> I survived the Storm of '01. Whoopee.
Face it you just think Ryoko is hot and wouldn't mind having a real woman
like that. 8^) I know I do.
Seriously though I thought the series was finished in Japan and Sasami turns
into Tsunami and they get married. She is after all a Jerai princess too but
she has something the others don't, a sense of hominess. She does most of
the household chores and is the only one that doesn't try to force herself
on Tenchi. I see this as the plot line that leads her to finally being the
one to win Tenchi.
--
Bob
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Sickle584th
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> Hi I was just cruising to see if I could find some pics when I came
accross
> this group and this thread caught my eye. I thought that Tsunami gets
Tenchi
> in the end. I've never seen the end so I don't know but isn't that Tsunami
> kissing Tenchi in the blurbs around comercials?
That scene with Tsunami kissing Tenchi is from one of the series' that CN
haven't shown. Can't remember right now if it was Magical Pretty Girl Sammy
or from the Mihoshi Special.
I think that kissing scene was from the end of the Mihoshi Special.
--
Sickle 584th
Simfreak
isnt her kissing him at all. Its from ova6 when tenchi is inside tsunami and
she puts her forehead to his. But they dont kiss. The truth is that Tenchi
didnt kiss any of the girls in any of ther sereis except Sakuya in TiT.
Though in pretty sammy Ryoko and Tenchi came VERY close before they were
interupted. I did hear some where that he ended up this tsunami, but i think
that was only in the manga (dont know, im still waiting for vol 2 to show
up). As far as WHO he will eventualy end up with, well thats up to Mr. K.
But it wont be tsunami, sasami, washu or mihoshi, they were introduced to
late in the series to be in considereation. Seeing that even in the
interviews He stated that his mind was made up in the beginning. So i guess
its a waiting game (from what i hear its summer 02', which seems to be on
target seeing that GP wont be released until the fall, who knows right?)news:ioED6.14505$J8.12...@news1.rsm1.occa.home.com...
Matthew C. Darby
Where did you hear that?
It only sounds like OVA #3 is in pre-production from the interviews.
>and Sasami turns
> into Tsunami and they get married. She is after all a Jerai princess too
but
> she has something the others don't, a sense of hominess.
True on both counts.
>She does most of
> the household chores and is the only one that doesn't try to force herself
> on Tenchi.
I have stated as much, but until we see the series, we don't know.
Mr. K may have some mindblower surprises up his sleave for all we know.
>I see this as the plot line that leads her to finally being the
> one to win Tenchi.
>
Maybey, Maybey not, who knows........
>
> Bob
> Visit www.schustersonline.com
>
>
Revelias02
future incarnation of Sasami so she will not really exist untill Sasami grwos
up. But you are right that is Tsunami kissing Tenchi.
Simfreak
Anyone who has scene the series knows that the part of the series that was
taken out of was from OVA6. SHE DOESNT KISS HIM! she just places her
forehead onto his, emblem to emblem. supposeingly regenerateing Tenchi, or
transfering power to him to bring out his full potential of the LHW. Thats
why tokime makes the comment, is this washu's doing or tsunami's. BUT SHE
DOESNT KISS HIM! At all never (well, maybe in the manga, but i havent gotten
that far yet).. But in the OVA (which is the only series that Tsunami
exists; almost forgot PS, but she doesnt have any contact with tenchi in
that one) She never kisses him. never. Sorry im ranting like this but this
has been said so many times that it ticks me off.
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Klyfix
<tench...@mindspring.com> writes:
> BUT SHE
>DOESNT KISS HIM! At all never (well, maybe in the manga, but i havent gotten
>that far yet).. But in the OVA (which is the only series that Tsunami
>exists; almost forgot PS, but she doesnt have any contact with tenchi in
>that one) She never kisses him. never. Sorry im ranting like this but this
>has been said so many times that it ticks me off.
Actually, yeah, nobody kisses anybody in the OVA I think, although
Ryoko tried a couple times. Tenchi is really skittish about such things;
maybe 'cause to him the girls are really his Family.
Bruce Grubb
"Bob" <rob...@iag.net> wrote:
>Face it you just think Ryoko is hot and wouldn't mind having a real woman
>like that. 8^) I know I do.
>Seriously though I thought the series was finished in Japan and Sasami turns
>into Tsunami and they get married. She is after all a Jerai princess too but
>she has something the others don't, a sense of hominess. She does most of
>the household chores and is the only one that doesn't try to force herself
>on Tenchi. I see this as the plot line that leads her to finally being the
>one to win Tenchi.
The problem with Sasami is that assuming that Jurian's age at the same rate
as Earthlings Tenchi would have to wait a long time before Sasami grows into
Tsunami. From the standard of most deserving of Tenchi Ryoko wins hands
down. From what we know of it her 2000 Earth year life has been one of
misery and pain - for her not to get Tenchi would be cruel and tragic.
Neither of which fits the tone of the OVA series.
Matthew C. Darby
now that I come to think of it...
not just geneticly, but Tenchi probobly even thinks of them as family. even
mihoshi.
after all, would you let total strangers just come to live with you, even
invite them back when they leave if you had no familial like feelings for
them?
especialy if you are a socialy withdrawn Japanesse male?
this helps explain the comment "I would rather die than loose any one of
them."
(how dose that line come out in the subs, anyone know?)
Klyfix <kly...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
Revelias02
is over 700 years old. I mean come on if it took her 700 years to look like a
ten year old how long will it take her to look 18.
OTL
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>From the standard of most deserving of Tenchi Ryoko wins hands
>down. From what we know of it her 2000 Earth year life has been one of
>misery and pain - for her not to get Tenchi would be cruel and tragic.
>Neither of which fits the tone of the OVA series.
Sorry, but no. Sure, a lot of bad things have happened to Ryoko in her
life, but does that mean she "deserves" Tenchi more than anyone else? No.
See, when you get right down to it, Ryoko just isn't a good person. She's
rude, inconsiderate, cruel, nasty, lazy, greedy, and selfish - and those
are just the adjectives that spring immediately to mind. She treats
everyone around her - *EVERYONE* - like dirt, including/especially Tenchi,
the person she claims to love. And to top it all off, she not only shows
no inclination or even willingness to change, she seems incapable of
recognizing that what she does is wrong, of seeing what effect her actions
have on other people, or of feeling remorse for what she does. Again,
she just isn't a good person, and as such, she clearly does *not* deserve
Tenchi more than anyone else. Would it be cruel and tragic for her not
to get Tenchi? Not at all. It would probably be what she actually does
deserve.
--
Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
Reality is the leading cause of stress.
Simfreak
least understand her OVA charachter very well if all those come to mind.
Ok, lets start from the beging. OVA1; Did Ryoko try to kill tenchi, no, if
she was actually trying she would have appeared right behind him and sliced
him in half, the fight woundnt have lasted more then a few seconds. Ryoko
was playing with tenchi, nothing more.
OVA2: Dont see anything in this one. Im sure you would be upset too if a cop
came off the street and for no reason through you into the back of a police
are then torcherd you at the station. Remember, Ayeka captured Ryoko for no
reason other then she flet that she should be locked up for her crimes, but
as we saw, the time expired for her capture. Ayeka had no right to do what
she did, but did it any way. I think that is cause for rude behavior.
OVA3: Dont really see much of her in this one, play little gag with ayeka
and tenchi with ryo-ohki. Cheap feel on tenchi, But at this point she still
wants to play, she hasnt realized her true feeling for him yet.
OVA4: my god this could take a while, so i will do the big ones. Takes
tenchi to girls bath when he didnt want to. Though he didnt seem to mind
after a few minutes. Pulled ayekas towel off. Well, she was jelious, it was
more of a cat fight then anything. Though remember, ayeka was the first to
get physical.
OVA5: Tenchi shows he cares for Ryoko, had to save herno madder what. Ayeka
doesnt want to go but goes any way, i think at this point they have been
together for a few months and are starting to get a long a little better
(remember, in the ova it doesnt go day to day, more like weeks at a time,
there is stuff that heppend in between then that we dont see). Tenchi
seemingly dies both of them react. Only in the sub at the very end for the
preview of ova6 do we hear ryoko say that she had found a new emotion and
now loves tenchi. That all goes to the back story of the show with the True
Tenchi Novels.. I will get into some of that if asked.
OVA6: they form an alliance and try to beat kagato. Gee did you count the
number of times Ryoko saved Ayeka in this episode, its like 3. Just like she
said in the manga, she could have let her die and no one would know any
better.
OVA7: Cat fights, Ryoko loves tenchi, Ayeka likes tenchi (not sure about
love, but is not allowing ryoko to take him away before she finds her true
feelings for him).
OVA8: Nothing really, cat fights, but both work together to help the baby.
At the end she pushes ayeka into the water. that was mean, but not tragic
OVA9: Not much, actually nothing
OVA10: Flicks something at ayeka, antaginizes her. But in turn get
retribution and smacks her with a book.
OVA11: Nothing, Its Zero
OVA12: nothing, Mostly zero, Ayeka goes to save Ryoko
OVA13: Little cat spats but nothing i could see that would indicate her
being that bad. In fact she is tolerant when sasami's mom throws her into a
wall (twice)
Any way, is she more deserving? no non of the girls are. Will she he the one
that tenchi chooses, yes, with out a doubt in my mind that will be his final
desision. It has nothing to do with fandom, just based on watching the
series with a open mind and what was said in the interviews, it is clear to
see. hence the "I always knew it was going to be this way" type thing. And
the "There will be another meaning of war".
And so here are my clue:
1.Most obvious, opened the cave, always knew there was a presance there from
child hood.
2.Tenchi never said he was attracted to Ayeka. Yet OVA1 "too bad, she was
kinda cute" (even though she was tring to kill him). OVA7 R- "Do i look good
tenchi?" "uh-huh"
3. When Tenchi and Ayeka are in the cabin they talk, but mostly how she
loves her brother: to me this signifies the beginning of a friend ship not a
relationship. At the very end Ryoko comes in when asked what he was doing
with her he said "I had to be with her, she injured herself" he emphasized
had.
4. Where to begin, geez. Ok, Have to watch this EP in sub, to many script
changes that changes the tone of the ep. Ryoko accuses tenchi of making out
in the mountin cabin, he says i did not she means nothing. (hmm, pretty
different from i didnt do anything). Tries to save tenchi when black hole
formed. Ayeka didnt do anything, (she also flew up and tried to save him,
wont hold that ageinst Ayeka, although we learn in the next ep she can fly).
5. Tenchi as the family protector went top go save ryoko. I think he would
have done this for any of them, so its not really a argument. Though he
reacted pretty quick whe kagato dropped her. Seemingly died trying to save
her. As stated above, end to ep5 preview for ova6, "After so many years of
living in the dark, i have finally found such feeling. But kagato you took
him away... (ova6 we need tenchi) Tenchi, i cant live with out you." Hmmm.
never hear ayeka say that.
6. Not much, Washu comfirms that ryoko feels true love for tenchi not to
mention wants to do this and that with him. (As a quick explination, in the
back story she felt that the only way to show someone that you cared and
visa versa was to have sex. She says this again in ova7 with the whole its
only natural speach) Tenchi kicks but and all is saved.
7. Ryoko obviously loves tenchi at this point, but is confused on how to get
him to love her (seduction isnt working) so reads the comics for "research"
once all that fails she reverts back to seduction at the end, though so does
ayeka.
8. Not much releationship stuff here, tried to show off to tenchi that she
want to have children (his) and that she can take care of them (not very
sucsessfuly though).
9: Just tries to get a lone with tenchi, tries to kiss him, though she is
buzzed out of her mind.
10: Tries to save tenchi again, saves him at the end. Tenchi says she looks
good (again another atraction thing) Rips his moms kamono that triggered
memories of her, i think ryoko got off easy. But he was easy to forgive
after having some time to relax, she didnt even have to show him that she
tried to fix it, it was automatic forgivness.
11. Seems that Ryoko is connected to tenchi (at least a little) when she
calls his name tenchi thinks that he hears something.zero works hard doing
chores and what not, impresses tenchi (not as lazy any more)
12. Tenchi goes to save ryoko again, Funny that out of the series the space
pirate gets captured twice where the princess doesnt. Tenchi holds zero in
his arms at the end,
13. Nothing, appearanly (or at least i think) she is more tollerant, the old
ryoko would have been upset when flung around by the hair or into a wall.
She seemed to take it rather well. Little selffish when she wants tenchi to
fight because of her debts. But the fight was more of a way to get rid of
Ayeka and not becuase tenchi was in any real danger.
Well im done, there is a whole lot more that i didnt even touch on, but that
cause this is like 2 pages now and i am tired of typeing.
This whole subject shouldnt be who gets tenchi, they are all equal
(excluding sasami and washu). Instead the question is who will tenchi
choose. sounds the same, but means completely different things.
Peace-
Simfreak-
5.
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Bruce Grubb
"OTL" <bpe...@nospam.sprynet.com> wrote:
>"Bruce Grubb" <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
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>>From the standard of most deserving of Tenchi Ryoko wins hands
>>down. From what we know of it her 2000 Earth year life has been one of
>>misery and pain - for her not to get Tenchi would be cruel and tragic.
>>Neither of which fits the tone of the OVA series.
>
>Sorry, but no. Sure, a lot of bad things have happened to Ryoko in her
>life, but does that mean she "deserves" Tenchi more than anyone else? No.
>See, when you get right down to it, Ryoko just isn't a good person. She's
>rude, inconsiderate, cruel, nasty, lazy, greedy, and selfish - and those
>are just the adjectives that spring immediately to mind.
Most of these bad traits are the result of her being raised by Kagato. Also
some of the above traits (greed and lazyness) above are more true of the TU
and TiT Ryokos than of the OVA version. Ryoko works as hard as any of the
girls in 'Here Come Baby!' for example.
As for inconsiderate and rude look at how Aeka treats Ryoko after she tells
her why she loves Tenchi so much in Here come 'Kagato Attacks!' or how Washu
treats her in 'Here come Jurai II' and show an example of Ryoko being -that-
inconsiderate or cruel. As far as nasty is conserned look at how Aeka acts
in 'Here come Ayeka!' - she chases Ryoko with NO legal authority to do so and
then tortures her. And Aeka is just as selfish when it come to Tenchi as
Ryoko is as demonstrated in 'Night Before the Carnival' and 'Here comes
Baby!' and Aeka's reaction to realizing that Sasami could become a rival is
to try and get druck as quickly as possible.
> She treats
>everyone around her - *EVERYONE* - like dirt, including/especially Tenchi,
>the person she claims to love.
Cite an example of the OVA Ryoko treating Sasami or Yosho like dirt. The
closest the OVA Ryoko come to behaving like that was when she tried to use
manga stories as a way to win Tenchi in 'Night Before the Carnival' and Aeka
does the same thing because she is just as clueless as Ryoko was.
>And to top it all off, she not only shows
>no inclination or even willingness to change, she seems incapable of
>recognizing that what she does is wrong, of seeing what effect her actions
>have on other people, or of feeling remorse for what she does.
It is obvious from this statement that you know little of the OVA Ryoko
because her merging with Zero at the end of 'Zero Ryoko' caused a huge
personality change for her. She is far more subduded in 'Here comes Jurai'
which shows that she -has- learned something in her merging with Zero.
> Again,
>she just isn't a good person, and as such, she clearly does *not* deserve
>Tenchi more than anyone else. Would it be cruel and tragic for her not
>to get Tenchi? Not at all. It would probably be what she actually does
>deserve.
Hardly. Washu 'streatment of Ryoko in 'Here comes Jurai II' shows that as
far as emotional upbringing of a child is conserned she would be a horrid
mother. Aeka is manipulative, skeming, cruel and her family is little
better; Yosho is hiding behind an illusion of age, Funaho is there more to
make sure that Washu doesn't make any more ships like Ryo-Ohki, or beings
like Ryoko than to cheak up on her family, Misaki has very wild mood swings
being very nasty when angered, and Azusa manages in short order to insult
everybody. The comment at the end that his busness with Tenchi has only
begun signels problems for Tenchi; Jurai royal intriges would eat Tenchi
alive. Mihoshi is basicly there and as far as 'Night Before the Carnival' is
shows far to easily manipulated.
Considering that in her entire 2000 years of life Ryoko existance had been
one of misery and lonelyness she -is- the most deserving of Tenchi. Washu
has the carefully built facade of mad scientist to shield her from the world
to fall back on, Aeka has her family to fall back on and what is she going to
do if Yosho's secret comes out, Mihoshi has the Galazy Police to fall back
on, but Ryoko has -nothing- to fall back on.
Her own mother see her as nothing as another experiment as shown in 'Here
comes Jurai II', the madman Kagato that controled her most of her life is
dead, and when you get right down to it her emotional make up thanks to being
raised by Kagato and the merging to Zero is that of a 8 year old.
JonLke
>them."
Who gets Tenchi? They ALL do- see Aeyka for the nightly schedule! For you
doubters, recall the episode where Ryoko and Aeyka conspire to remove Washu and
Mihoshi from the house that night. In the non-Toonami version, in the scene
upstairs, Ryoko tells Aeyka she won't mind if Aeyka 'goes first'! After all,
no one's come to complain about all those explosions or flying objects, so what
goes on out of the public site, well, "Nothing to do with us!"
JonLke
Matthew C. Darby
of corse on his non-earth side,
his family has been known to mary half-siblings.
I guess they don't have a problem with in breeding.
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JonLke
>
Given the progress that mere homo saipiens have made in gene mapping, the Jurai
would have found how to map, tag and remove dangerous recessive genes.
Children to order, so to speak.
JonLke
Bruce Grubb
jon...@aol.com (JonLke) wrote:
Since as demonstrated by Yuri in Tenchi in Tokyo it is quite possible the
Jurai in the OVA have similar technology but enough wisdom not to play God as
the Jurai in TiT did.
OTL
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>Damn those are harsh words,
Yeah, well, I wasn't trying to not be harsh...
>but it looks like you havent really scene or at
>least understand her OVA charachter very well if all those come to mind.
Just because my opinion doesn't match your opinion doesn't mean I'm the
one who's wrong...
>Ok, lets start from the beging. OVA1; Did Ryoko try to kill tenchi, no, if
>she was actually trying she would have appeared right behind him and sliced
>him in half, the fight woundnt have lasted more then a few seconds. Ryoko
>was playing with tenchi, nothing more.
Feh. Sure, she could have killed Tenchi in a matter of seconds, but what
fun would that have been? If the goal is to get revenge for 700 years of
imprisonment, and you're getting that revenge on someone who clearly has
no chance of stopping you, are you going to kill them quickly, or are you
going to prolong the agony? Especially if you're a self-described sadist?
I should also point out that, at the end of the fight, one of Ryoko's
strikes is blocked when Tenchi desperately throws up his bag with the
sword in it. That was a killing strike. Had Tenchi not accidently used
the sword to block it, Ryoko would have cut him in half with that swing.
Make no mistake, Ryoko *was* trying to kill Tenchi.
Just to put the entire thing in perspective: have you ever seen a cat
"play" with a mouse? They won't kill the mouse outright, but they will
torment it for a while, and the mouse *will* get killed eventually.
Tenchi was just a mouse to the cat named Ryoko.
>OVA2: Dont see anything in this one. Im sure you would be upset too if a
>cop came off the street and for no reason through you into the back of a
>police are then torcherd you at the station. Remember, Ayeka captured Ryoko
>for no reason other then she flet that she should be locked up for her
>crimes, but as we saw, the time expired for her capture. Ayeka had no right
>to do what she did, but did it any way. I think that is cause for rude
>behavior.
I'm not going to bother discussing the legality of Ayeka's actions right
now, since I don't know enough about Juraian law to judge that (and
since, comparing it to the American legal system, the facts as presented
are just wrong). However, in terms of Ryoko not doing anything wrong in
this one, what about her mad suicide run at the end of the episode, which
threatened to kill not only herself, but Tenchi, Ayeka, Sasami, Azaka,
Kamidake, and Nobuyuki as well?
>OVA5: Tenchi shows he cares for Ryoko, had to save herno madder what.
Which he would have done for Ayeka, Sasami, Mihoshi, or Washu as well, I'm
sure.
>Ayeka
>doesnt want to go but goes any way,
Here's the pertinent question: would Ryoko have done the same for Ayeka,
were the situation reversed? Or for Sasami, Mihoshi, or Washu?
>OVA9: Not much, actually nothing
When they're going to look for Sasami, Ryoko attempt to follow Tenchi until
Washu redirects her elsewhere. I can assure you that she wasn't following
Tenchi to help him look for Sasami...
>OVA10: Flicks something at ayeka, antaginizes her. But in turn get
>retribution and smacks her with a book.
What about the entire incident with the kimono? And her little fishing
trip with Ryo-Ohki certainly doesn't earn her any points, either.
>OVA12: nothing, Mostly zero, Ayeka goes to save Ryoko
Again, would Ryoko have returned the favor?
>Any way, is she more deserving? no non of the girls are. Will she he the
>one that tenchi chooses, yes, with out a doubt in my mind that will be his
>final desision. It has nothing to do with fandom, just based on watching
>the series with a open mind and what was said in the interviews, it is
>clear to see. hence the "I always knew it was going to be this way" type
>thing. And the "There will be another meaning of war".
I'm not claiming that Ryoko won't be the one Tenchi chooses, just that she
*shouldn't* be.
--
Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
"I figured out what's wrong with life: it's other people." -Dilbert
OTL
>In article <9c5f3b$4d5$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
> "OTL" <bpe...@nospam.sprynet.com> wrote:
>>"Bruce Grubb" <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>news:bgrubb-C1B92B....@web.zianet.com...
>>>From the standard of most deserving of Tenchi Ryoko wins hands
>>>down. From what we know of it her 2000 Earth year life has been one of
>>>misery and pain - for her not to get Tenchi would be cruel and tragic.
>>>Neither of which fits the tone of the OVA series.
>>
>>Sorry, but no. Sure, a lot of bad things have happened to Ryoko in her
>>life, but does that mean she "deserves" Tenchi more than anyone else? No.
>>See, when you get right down to it, Ryoko just isn't a good person. She's
>>rude, inconsiderate, cruel, nasty, lazy, greedy, and selfish - and those
>>are just the adjectives that spring immediately to mind.
>
>Most of these bad traits are the result of her being raised by Kagato.
But that doesn't mean the traits aren't accurate, does it?
>Also some of the above traits (greed and lazyness) above are more true of
>the TU and TiT Ryokos than of the OVA version. Ryoko works as hard as any
>of the girls in 'Here Come Baby!' for example.
Fine, I'll retract "greedy." "Lazy" stays, however. Off the top of my
head, I can't think of a single time when she's ever shown helping out
with the housework, can you? And she did try to avoid helping out with
Taro initially...
>As for inconsiderate and rude look at how Aeka treats Ryoko after she tells
>her why she loves Tenchi so much in Here come 'Kagato Attacks!' or how
>Washu treats her in 'Here come Jurai II' and show an example of Ryoko being
>-that- inconsiderate or cruel.
Again, that doesn't mean Ryoko isn't inconsiderate or cruel. All it means
is that you can find solitary examples of those traits in other characters,
while Ryoko displays them more frequently and consistently. (I should
also point out that, concerning Ayeka and Ryoko in Kagato Attacks!, that
Ryoko starts off the scene by being unnecessarily snide to Ayeka. Ayeka
comes back later with a nastier retort. So perhaps if Ryoko hadn't been
so nasty to Ayeka first, Ayeka wouldn't have been so nasty back.)
>As far as nasty is conserned look at how
>Aeka acts in 'Here come Ayeka!' - she chases Ryoko with NO legal authority
>to do so and then tortures her.
As I've already pointed out elsewhere, I can't comment on the legality of
Ayeka's actions, since I don't know enough about Juraian law to make that
kind of judgement, and since, based on American law, the facts as presented
are actually wrong.
>And Aeka is just as selfish when it come
>to Tenchi as Ryoko is as demonstrated in 'Night Before the Carnival' and
>'Here comes Baby!'
Once again, that does nothing to prove that Ryoko isn't selfish.
>and Aeka's reaction to realizing that Sasami could
>become a rival is to try and get druck as quickly as possible.
Your point being...?
>> She treats
>>everyone around her - *EVERYONE* - like dirt, including/especially Tenchi,
>>the person she claims to love.
>
>Cite an example of the OVA Ryoko treating Sasami or Yosho like dirt. The
>closest the OVA Ryoko come to behaving like that was when she tried to use
>manga stories as a way to win Tenchi in 'Night Before the Carnival' and
>Aeka does the same thing because she is just as clueless as Ryoko was.
Well, okay, Katsuhito isn't around her much, so there's not much to offer
there. The closest I can come up with is when she tries to manipulate
him into making her Tenchi's fiancee in Night Before the Carnival, but
that's probably not much.
As for Sasami, Ryoko *does* try to kill her in Here Comes Ayeka. She
also tries to use Sasami to get the sword in Hello Ryo-Ohki. And when
Sasami runs away in Sasami and Tsunami, Ryoko is more interested in
trying to seduce Tenchi than in finding her (I have to highly doubt that
she attempted to follow Tenchi to help him look for Sasami).
>>And to top it all off, she not only shows
>>no inclination or even willingness to change, she seems incapable of
>>recognizing that what she does is wrong, of seeing what effect her actions
>>have on other people, or of feeling remorse for what she does.
>
>It is obvious from this statement that you know little of the OVA Ryoko
>because her merging with Zero at the end of 'Zero Ryoko' caused a huge
>personality change for her. She is far more subduded in 'Here comes Jurai' >which
shows that she -has- learned something in her merging with Zero.
It does no such thing. Just because she was changed by the merging doesn't
mean she actually "learned" anything. Being changed by an outside force
is not the same as making a change in your own personality. She didn't
say "I should try and be more subdued," she had her brain re-wired, which
forced her to be more subdued. There's a tremendous difference.
Anyway, nothing you say here gives any indication that my statement was
wrong, so I fail to see how I know so little about Ryoko.
>> Again,
>>she just isn't a good person, and as such, she clearly does *not* deserve
>>Tenchi more than anyone else. Would it be cruel and tragic for her not
>>to get Tenchi? Not at all. It would probably be what she actually does
>>deserve.
>
>Hardly. Washu 'streatment of Ryoko in 'Here comes Jurai II' shows that as
>far as emotional upbringing of a child is conserned she would be a horrid
>mother.
Sorry, but I don't see your point. How does that relate to whether or not
Ryoko (or even Washu) deserve Tenchi? And I would imagine that Washu's
treatment of Taro in Hello Baby would be a better indicator of how she
would be as a mother, since, as an artificial lifeform, Ryoko's status
as Washu's daughter can be somewhat dubious. Plus, of course, the fact
is that Ryoko certainly doesn't come across as a potential Mother of the
Year candidate in that episode.
>Aeka is manipulative, skeming, cruel
Even if that's true, everything you've said also applies to Ryoko.
>and her family is little
>better; Yosho is hiding behind an illusion of age, Funaho is there more to
>make sure that Washu doesn't make any more ships like Ryo-Ohki, or beings
>like Ryoko than to cheak up on her family, Misaki has very wild mood swings >being
very nasty when angered, and Azusa manages in short order to insult
>everybody. The comment at the end that his busness with Tenchi has only
>begun signels problems for Tenchi; Jurai royal intriges would eat Tenchi
>alive.
Okay, let's think about something here for a minute. You tried to justify
Ryoko's shortcomings by pointing out she was raised by Kagato. Basically,
it seems that you're saying that her bad qualities are understandable given
that she was raised poorly by a bad person. But if we accept that, what
about Ayeka? You're pointing out all the bad qualities of the people who
raised her, so why aren't you excusing any of her shortcomings as well?
>Mihoshi is basicly there and as far as 'Night Before the Carnival' is
>shows far to easily manipulated.
Again, I'm not seeing your point. While it certainly isn't a good thing,
being easily manipulated does not make Mihoshi a bad person.
>Considering that in her entire 2000 years of life Ryoko existance had been
>one of misery and lonelyness she -is- the most deserving of Tenchi.
Still not seeing your point...
>Washu
>has the carefully built facade of mad scientist to shield her from the
>world to fall back on,
So what you're saying is that because Washu can hide her own misery and
loneliness, it doesn't exist? Perhaps Ryoko, instead of getting Tenchi,
should develop her own facade, and all her misery and loneliness will
go away, too!
>Aeka has her family to fall back on
And this would be the same family you were speaking so highly of before,
yes? Precisely *why* would she want to fall back on them?
>and what is she
>going to do if Yosho's secret comes out,
Besides feel hurt and betrayed? Not much. She had thought that Yosho
loved her the way she loved him; she now knows that isn't true. She's not
going to force him to marry her, knowing how he truly feels.
>Mihoshi has the Galazy Police to
>fall back on,
So, instead of love, Mihoshi can fill her life with her work? Maybe Ryoko
should get a job, and then she won't need Tenchi anymore, either! Jobs
and facades all around!
>but Ryoko has -nothing- to fall back on.
So Ryoko should get Tenchi because she has nothing else in her life? Yeah,
that'd be a real healthy relationship, I'm sure...
>Her own mother see her as nothing as another experiment as shown in 'Here
>comes Jurai II', the madman Kagato that controled her most of her life is
>dead, and when you get right down to it her emotional make up thanks to
>being raised by Kagato and the merging to Zero is that of a 8 year old.
If Tenchi wants an eight-year-old, why doesn't he just marry Sasami?
--
Brian Perler bpe...@sprynet.com
"There's a difference between a philosophy and a bumper sticker."
-Charles M. Schulz
Simfreak
Sorry, jumpped the gun a little, everyone is entilted to a opinon no madder
what it is. There are still some people that think that he will get with the
adult ryo-ohki (yea i see that happening, not).
1.According to the creators, Ryoko wasnt trying to kill tenchi. She knew of
his jurai blood from the begining an knew that "eventually" he would show
it. You get a better feel of this when you watch it in sub. They changed
about 20% of the dialog of that ep for american dubbing. Fact be known, she
says the word shit many times in that ep. and make comments to his powers.
NOW THIS IS SPEC! but we might find out that, that fight was completly set
up so that tenchi would learn of his power and start down the path of being
tsunami's avatar; i think that its kinda convieniant that A: some how tenchi
got the keys from yosho. B: To the day it had been 700yrs that Ryoko's
statue of limitations would be up. C: Nothing was said after she was
released D: when yosho ran into her, he didnt say anything (it might have
been 700yrs, but ryoko hadnt changed a bit) In any event, there are to many
circumstances that leads to the point that it seems like it was all set up.
2. Ummm, how old are you? The context that the word sadist was used in was
not demonic, it was sexual, as in S&M. (sado/masicism) being that one
derives pleasure (sometimes sexual) from reciving pain (masocist) the other
from giving. Thats what Ayeka said she was a masocist, because (again, you
have to watch the subs) when she is being tortured she says "im coming, im
coming" indicating she was having a orgasim.
3. (OVA5) i said that. In fact i specifically said he probly would have done
it for any of them thats why i said i wouldnt count it as a love gesture.
but more of a your not a deamon your my friend kinda thing.
4. YES. Ryoko saved ayeka many times during the battle with kagato, Again i
said this in my original post. Ryoko could have very well let ayeka die, 1.
Big rocks were going to fall on her. 2. holding back her power allowing her
self to be beaten up and not singing ayeka to a sinder-washu.
5. I agree completely. theres nothing worng with that. it doent make her
evil in any way. it was just a way to be a lone with him. Granted based on
her previous attempts, she would have tried something, but tenchi would have
stopped her, just like he has all the other times. (its also why, she and
mihoshi are tied up, so that they wouldnt ruin ayekas moment with sasami)
6. Grrr. i brought up the kamono earlier in the post! Yes she destroyed it..
but tenchi easily forgave her after having time to cool off. Ryoko didnt
even have to show tenchi that she spend (what must have been a long time
with knowing her skills) and notice the effort she put into it, she had
bandaids all over from trying to fix it HERSELF! she didnt go to sasami or
any one to help her, she did it, she was sorry, she wanted to make it right.
7. Again, yes she would. at least she does in the manga which are based on
the OVA. But all aside, she probly would have done the same thing that ayeka
did, we certinly do not have to save her, but ends up going anyway. Oh yea
and. If tenchi went to save her you know DAMN well that she would go with,
if not for ayeka, then to protect tenchi.
8. Just like you told me; every one is entitled to their opinons. I see the
Ryoko from the True Tenchi Novels, who her whole life was treated like
trash, tortured, unable to feel emotions (litteraly), and controled.
Throughout the whole book she talks of taking drugs, sleeping with men and
drinking lots of alcohol to try and escape her life. (though none of it
worked cause she is incomlplete and didnt trigger any emotion or sensations.
kind of a downer, to tell you the truth, the 700yrs of imprisonment was for
the best. The only one that triggers emotions in her are tenchi, that cause
she loves him so much. That kind of love is why she should get tenchi. The i
will do anything you ask of me, i will die for you in a second, kind of
love. Ayeka as she demonstated in several of the OVA. Is still sorting
through her feelings for tenchi and for yosho. This will likely play a role
in the up coming OVA when tenchi is off fighting and the rest are at home
awaiting his return.
In anyevent, we have another year or so to wait and find out what is going
through tenchi's head and he will make his decision known for reasons that i
am sure have been discussed before.
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Bruce Grubb
"OTL" <bpe...@nospam.sprynet.com> wrote:
>"Bruce Grubb" <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>news:bgrubb-56D795....@web.zianet.com...
>>In article <9c5f3b$4d5$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>,
>> "OTL" <bpe...@nospam.sprynet.com> wrote:
>>>"Bruce Grubb" <bgr...@zianet.com> wrote in message
>>>news:bgrubb-C1B92B....@web.zianet.com...
>>>>From the standard of most deserving of Tenchi Ryoko wins hands
>>>>down. From what we know of it her 2000 Earth year life has been one of
>>>>misery and pain - for her not to get Tenchi would be cruel and tragic.
>>>>Neither of which fits the tone of the OVA series.
>>>
>>>Sorry, but no. Sure, a lot of bad things have happened to Ryoko in her
>>>life, but does that mean she "deserves" Tenchi more than anyone else? No.
>>>See, when you get right down to it, Ryoko just isn't a good person. She's
>>>rude, inconsiderate, cruel, nasty, lazy, greedy, and selfish - and those
>>>are just the adjectives that spring immediately to mind.
>>
>>Most of these bad traits are the result of her being raised by Kagato.
>
>But that doesn't mean the traits aren't accurate, does it?
>
>>Also some of the above traits (greed and lazyness) above are more true of
>>the TU and TiT Ryokos than of the OVA version. Ryoko works as hard as any
>>of the girls in 'Here Comes Baby!' for example.
>
>Fine, I'll retract "greedy." "Lazy" stays, however. Off the top of my
>head, I can't think of a single time when she's ever shown helping out
>with the housework, can you?
With the noted exception of Susami don't see any of the girls helping that
much with the housework except in 'Here Comes Baby!' Also given the severity
of her scotophobia (seen in 'Here come Juria II) there is the possiblity that
Ryoko does her chores at night and as a result rest durning the day. (An idea
some fanfic play with) I would like to point out that Ryoko built the Onsen
(first seen in episode 5)
>>As far as nasty is conserned look at how
>>Aeka acts in 'Here come Ayeka!' - she chases Ryoko with NO legal authority
>>to do so and then tortures her.
>
>As I've already pointed out elsewhere, I can't comment on the legality of
>Ayeka's actions, since I don't know enough about Juraian law to make that
>kind of judgement, and since, based on American law, the facts as presented
>are actually wrong.
Aeka is told that the statue of limitations has run out (in fact she is told
three times) and that Ryoko's wanted file has been deleted. Furthermore when
Aeka states that they must capture Ryoko she is remined of the statue a
fourth time to which she replies "We can think of a reason later." Also
Mihoshi's bracelet reacts to Ryo-Ohki in Episode #4 and Kagato in Episode 5
but NOT to Ryoko. If Mihosi a police officer has no authority to capture
Ryoko anymore than certainly Aeka doesn't have any either.
I should mention that criminals getting off due to the statue of limiations
is a long staple of US drama. It has showed up in a Perry Mason episode and
even a Superman episode; and these are depicted *exactly* the way it is in
'Here come Ayeka!'. It may not be an accurate portrayal but is is the way
the statue of limiations is perceved by John Q. Public.
>>>And to top it all off, she not only shows
>>>no inclination or even willingness to change, she seems incapable of
>>>recognizing that what she does is wrong, of seeing what effect her actions
>>>have on other people, or of feeling remorse for what she does.
>>
>>It is obvious from this statement that you know little of the OVA Ryoko
>>because her merging with Zero at the end of 'Zero Ryoko' caused a huge
>>personality change for her. She is far more subduded in 'Here comes Jurai'
>>>which shows that she -has- learned something in her merging with Zero.
>
>It does no such thing. Just because she was changed by the merging doesn't
>mean she actually "learned" anything. Being changed by an outside force
>is not the same as making a change in your own personality.
Zero is a complete copy of Ryoko (personality and emotions); in fact that is
what causes Dr. Clay problems later on. Also don't forget that she is given
the choise of merging with Zero she could have just as easily chosen not to
(in the manga for example she doesn't merge)
>>> Again,
>>>she just isn't a good person, and as such, she clearly does *not* deserve
>>>Tenchi more than anyone else. Would it be cruel and tragic for her not
>>>to get Tenchi? Not at all. It would probably be what she actually does
>>>deserve.
>>
>>Hardly. Washu 'streatment of Ryoko in 'Here comes Jurai II' shows that as
>>far as emotional upbringing of a child is conserned she would be a horrid
>>mother.
>
>Sorry, but I don't see your point. How does that relate to whether or not
>Ryoko (or even Washu) deserve Tenchi? And I would imagine that Washu's
>treatment of Taro in Hello Baby would be a better indicator of how she
>would be as a mother, since, as an artificial lifeform, Ryoko's status
>as Washu's daughter can be somewhat dubious.
The problem is Wausu states that her treatment of Ryoko is "one of the joys
of motherhood". Her good treatment of Taro may have been due to him
reminding her of her own child. Let's face it there are strong indications
that Washu like Ryoko has got some major psycological problems.
> Plus, of course, the fact
>is that Ryoko certainly doesn't come across as a potential Mother of the
>Year candidate in that episode.
With the exception of Washu all the girls come off as incompedent as far as
mothering skills are conserned. And Washu seems to have some very dangerous
mental problems if she thinks psycologially torturing a person she refers to
as daughter and asks her to call her mom is one of "the joys of motherhood."
Lets face it either skillwise or mentally any of the girls Tenchi chooses is
going to need a lot of help before becoming a fit mother.
One must ask the same question that one asks in Ranma 1/2; do any of the
girls see the main male protaganist as a person or as a prize to be won.
Mihoshi seems to have more of a crush than a solid love intrest and Susami is
way too young. Of the three left Washu seem interested in Tenchi mainly due
to his ability to manifist the lighthawk wings, Aeka mainly because Tenchi is
also of royal blood, and Ryoko see him as the boy who saw her some many years
ago. On these standards everybody viable fails miserably.
Klyfix
<tench...@mindspring.com> writes:
>
>1.According to the creators, Ryoko wasnt trying to kill tenchi. She knew of
>his jurai blood from the begining an knew that "eventually" he would show
>it. You get a better feel of this when you watch it in sub. They changed
>about 20% of the dialog of that ep for american dubbing. Fact be known, she
>says the word shit many times in that ep. and make comments to his powers.
>NOW THIS IS SPEC! but we might find out that, that fight was completly set
>up so that tenchi would learn of his power and start down the path of being
>tsunami's avatar; i think that its kinda convieniant that A: some how tenchi
>got the keys from yosho. B: To the day it had been 700yrs that Ryoko's
>statue of limitations would be up. C: Nothing was said after she was
>released D: when yosho ran into her, he didnt say anything (it might have
>been 700yrs, but ryoko hadnt changed a bit) In any event, there are to many
>circumstances that leads to the point that it seems like it was all set up.
>
I've been speculating that Tenchi's been essentially "set up" from the
beginning. Obviously Katsuhito _let_ him get the keys. And later when
Sasami got him to try and swipe Ayeka's headdress thing that very well
could have been Tsunami getting her to do that, without Sasami
realizing it.
Also, on the idea that Ryoko wasn't trying to kill him (disclaimer:
Klyfix hasn't seen the un-Toonamied version of the first two eps);
I'd observe that Mummy Ryoko seemed to touch Tenchi in an
affectionate manner, not a hostile one. As for the fight itself, I've
thought that she was trying to get him to use the sword; she knew
he had it, after all. Heck, even without her gems Ryoko could have
killed him just by snapping his neck. The girl appears to have been
"playing" but in a rough manner; she's psychologically (at least
at this point in the story) an adolescent, a little girl really.
Matthew C. Darby
When that dosnt (entirely) work, she resorts to begging for them.
The plan though was to some how get them while she was fighting, and not
have to ask.
only sword play (multiple puns intended) with him, dose she realise that
he needs to will them back to her.
Klyfix <kly...@aol.comedy> wrote in message
Simfreak
intention was never there to actually hurt tenchi. From what i remember, she
shot at him, missing every time, took a swing at him, missed. basically
every attack she made she missed on. She just really wanted to see him
panic. in fact thats what she says in the subs. E- "Your going to have to
run a lot faster then that earthing" J- "Its no fun if all you do is run"
thats when goes over to get the pipe. Any way, the only time she intened to
inflict pain on him is when he called her a monster and smacked him, (he had
it coming though). Any way. now that i am completely off track, Yes she
wanted to have tenchi use the sword, why ??? no one know. We do know that
she wanted her gems back *despertly. but as the series went on, she never
really cared that much about them. (even in ova4 tenchi could have given her
the second gem and been rid of the monster herslef) any way its late an i
cant think any more, Oh buy the tenchi manga, i just finished all 9 vol and
any tenchi fan would love them! (it will help while away the time until ova3
comes out).news:CgrG6.13747$wW1.2...@typhoon.nyroc.rr.com...
Matthew C. Darby
samurai space opera
unreal genius
dream a little scheme
chef of iron
I am still on the look out for the quest for more money, though i have read
parts of it in the serialsed normal comic style that viz puts out.
(is it monthly or weekly? I can't remember.I get it as back issues from the
comic book shops.)
I still think that Ryoko is a little groggy when she dose this scene, but It
has been nearly a month scice I last watched it, and my memory is a bit
fuzzy.
I shall have to get it out agian.
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OTL
>How do you do that little snip thing? anyway RE: to you
What "little snip thing"? Cutting text out of a posting? If so, I can't
say for sure since I don't know what editor you're using, but I'd imagine
that highlighting the unwanted text and deleting should work.
>1.According to the creators, Ryoko wasnt trying to kill tenchi.
Does anyone else besides me think that a lot of these statements are just
ex post facto explanations to cover up their mistakes? As in, "Hey, if
Ryoko is supposed to love Tenchi, why'd she try to kill him?" "Uhhhh... she
wasn't *really* trying to kill him, she was playing with him! Yeah! That's
it! That's the ticket! Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go see my wife,
Morgan Fairchild..." The problem with that statement is it ignores the
fact that some of Ryoko's strikes would have killed Tenchi had he not
gotten lucky. If Ryoko was merely playing, how do you (or they) explain
those attacks?
>She knew of
>his jurai blood from the begining an knew that "eventually" he would show
>it. You get a better feel of this when you watch it in sub. They changed
>about 20% of the dialog of that ep for american dubbing. Fact be known, she
>says the word shit many times in that ep. and make comments to his powers.
>NOW THIS IS SPEC! but we might find out that, that fight was completly set
>up so that tenchi would learn of his power and start down the path of being
>tsunami's avatar; i think that its kinda convieniant that A: some how
>tenchi got the keys from yosho. B: To the day it had been 700yrs that
>Ryoko's statue of limitations would be up. C: Nothing was said after she
>was released D: when yosho ran into her, he didnt say anything (it might
>have been 700yrs, but ryoko hadnt changed a bit) In any event, there are to
>many circumstances that leads to the point that it seems like it was all
>set up.
I'm not denying that Katsuhito set it all up; in fact, the Tenchi
Encyclopedia more or less says so (it implies it, but stays just this
side of actually saying it definitively).
>5. I agree completely. theres nothing worng with that. it doent make her
>evil in any way. it was just a way to be a lone with him. Granted based on
>her previous attempts, she would have tried something, but tenchi would
>have stopped her, just like he has all the other times. (its also why, she
>and mihoshi are tied up, so that they wouldnt ruin ayekas moment with
>sasami)
Before I respond, I assume you're responding to my comment about episode 9,
right? Specifically, how Ryoko tries to follow Tenchi when they go
looking for Sasami, and it probably wasn't to look for Sasami? If so,
I never said it made her evil (in fact, I've never referred to Ryoko as
evil at all). My point was that what she did was rather inconsiderate,
both to Tenchi and probably to Sasami as well.
>6. Grrr. i brought up the kamono earlier in the post!
No, you didn't. You made a reference to it later in your post, but in the
first part, where you were listing some of the bad things Ryoko had done
(at least, I'm assuming that's what you were attempting to do), the only
thing you mentioned in episode 10 was flicking things at Ayeka in Washu's
"class." The inference, then, is that didn't see anything wrong with what
Ryoko did with the kimono.
>Yes she destroyed
>it.. but tenchi easily forgave her after having time to cool off. Ryoko
>didnt even have to show tenchi that she spend (what must have been a long
>time with knowing her skills) and notice the effort she put into it, she
>had bandaids all over from trying to fix it HERSELF! she didnt go to sasami
>or any one to help her, she did it, she was sorry, she wanted to make it
>right.
The question is, what was apologizing for? Was it "I'm sorry I destroyed
your mother's kimono" or "I'm sorry that you were upset by something I
did"? Does she actually realize what she did wrong, or was she merely
trying to get back in Tenchi's good graces without realizing why he was
so mad in the first place?
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>thought that she was trying to get him to use the sword; she knew
>he had it, after all.
Well, she knew he had taken it from the cave and probably still had it
in his possession somewhere, but did she know that he had it with him
at the school? Her surprise when it comes out of his bag at the end of
the fight would lead me to think that she didn't know it was there. And
when Tenchi does use the sword, she seems surprised again (indicating
that she didn't really know he could actually use the sword) and accuses
him of "cheating" (indicating that she didn't want him to use the sword).
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