Can somebody please fill me in?
The General
Beach Party' (?) episode to air and TNN were showing repeats of the Adult
Party Cartoon.
I understand that the show is no longer airing but did we get anymore
episodes out of TNN? Did we ever get to meet 'Wrinkly Old Cock'?
I'd appreciate it if someone could briefly bring me up to speed.
Sincere responses only, thanks.
Ted
No new episodes were shown after the point you were last here if Nude
Beach Whatever had already been delayed. Spike kept showing repeats for
awhile, and finally stopped showing APC. They kept showing the Classics
for awhile.
Then that stopped. And Spike stopped showing Gary the Rat and
Stripperella. They claim to be waiting to relaunch the animation next
year, which Stephen Worth also mentioned here, but people are
speculating that Spike's animation will just be buried.
Time Life released a DVD set of Ren and Stimpy Classics (which have a
Spike logo on them as well); they are not entirely uncut. There is a
thread called "Ren & Stimpy New DVD (Time/Life) mini-FAQ" that started
in early September that will tell you more. The thread "REN & STIMPY
DVDs (Time/Life) Snapshots and boxart here" will tell you more as well,
like that Powdered Toast Man, Dog Show and Big House Blues are each
censored versions, altho other episodes that were censored at some point
aren't censored on the DVDs.
If your news server doesn't cover back to that point, go to
groups.google.com and search alt.animation.spumco for those subject lines.
Stephen Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> They claim to be waiting to relaunch the animation next
> year, which Stephen Worth also mentioned here, but people are
> speculating that Spike's animation will just be buried.
Why are they paying us to complete shows that they plan to bury?
I've been telling you what's going on, and you don't believe me. You
post away as if you're the one who knows. I'm sitting in Spumco right
now as I type this. Why do you know better about what's going on than I
do?
The internet is infested with "experts".
See ya
Steve
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Stephen Worth
<ro...@and.roll> wrote:
> I'd appreciate it if someone could briefly bring me up to speed.
Spumco Canada is working on a couple of more shows as we speak. Spike
plans another launch of their cartoon block after the first of the
year. They plan to rotate a bunch of different cartoons in and out of
the block. There won't be one fixed schedule. I'll post here when R&S
is scheduled to air again.
Ted
Stephen Worth wrote:
>
> In article <3FAFD633...@nospam.com>, Ted
> <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > They claim to be waiting to relaunch the animation next
> > year, which Stephen Worth also mentioned here, but people are
> > speculating that Spike's animation will just be buried.
>
> Why are they paying us to complete shows that they plan to bury?
> I've been telling you what's going on, and you don't believe me. You
> post away as if you're the one who knows. I'm sitting in Spumco right
> now as I type this. Why do you know better about what's going on than I
> do?
>
> The internet is infested with "experts".
A quick check of my recent posts will show me attacking the guy claiming
Spike's animation plans are dead for putting forth industry speculation
as fact.
He in fact quoted something that at the time wasn't findable in Google,
and didn't post the link.
Checking now, I've found a couple things with the text:
http://news.awn.com/index.php3?ltype=top&newsitem_no=9545
http://www.tvweek.com/topstorys/11303spike.html
Following the opening paragraph the troll posted is a Spike spokesperson
claiming the speculation is incorrect.
Nevertheless, there was in fact speculation that Spike was going to bury
the show (and it was industry speculation if the source is to be
believed). This is part of what has been going on. If someone's paying
attention to what people outside of Spumco are saying, then that person
knows better than you what's going on in that arena. You know, like when
you said you and Spumco hadn't heard about the DVDs in the thread "REN &
STIMPY NEW DVD (TIME/LIFE) mini-FAQ" on September 12th; that made NEOGEO
a better source of information than you at that point on that topic.
Speculation about Spike's actual plans for the future is, by its nature,
speculative. You know, like when you said on August 20th that "I think
NBF will be airing in its censored form this week". Or on August 8th
when you said "(At the Beach) will air first on Thursday in digital blur
mode for the kiddies, and then re-run without blur late night Monday."
So, naturally, speculation is often incorrect, even when it's based on
inside information. There's no need to jump down my throat for reporting
on what's been going on when it isn't entirely in your favor. I said
what Spike has said, what you said, and what other sources were
speculating based on Spike's actions. I didn't say "Spumco isn't
finishing the cartoons"; I didn't say "Spike has announced they're
dumping their animation block". I said (essentially, but reworded for
ease of understanding) "Spike and Spumco have said the animation block
will relaunch next year; others have speculated Spike pulled their
animation as a prelude to cancellation". I used the word "claim" in
relation to Spike's statement; I'm sorry if this was unclear for you.
Maybe I should have said "said", like in the following: TV Week, in the
link given above, /said/ "One unexpected complication has been a lack of
new episodes from Spike's most popular animated title. The network
ordered nine episodes (an original order of six, then an additional
three-parter) of "Ren & Stimpy's Adult Party Cartoon" from creator John
Kricfalusi. The network only received three.
Mr. Kricfalusi, now working from his new Spumco studio in Canada, has a
history of warring with networks over content and delivery issues. In
1992 he was famously fired from Nickelodeon for pushing the network
standards envelope on the original "Ren & Stimpy" series.
A representative for Spumco declined to comment, but Mr. Kay indicated
that-despite the delay-new episodes are forthcoming.
"John is an incredibly talented artist and he doesn't want to let
anything go until it's finished," Mr. Kay said. "He wanted to tweak it a
bit more, and we probably pushed him a little fast.""
The text you quoted from me should not have been controversial, as it
was a factual summary of recent activity here. Attacking me here was
unwarranted, and was foolish as I will not simply roll over and take
your unfounded abuse. I appreciate the factual information that you
contribute here. But considering you posted nothing in response to the
trolls who started the threads ""Gary the Rat," "Stripperella" and "Ren
& Stimpy Adult Cartoon" IS HISTORY" (which was the vitriolic original I
was referencing and which was, unlike my post, a directed attack on
Spumco) and "When will John K. fuck off and die?", I'd say it's a
reasonable inference that you have it in for me in a way beyond you
simply misinterpreting my post. And I'm just letting you know, I don't
appreciate it.
Maybe I'll go to Spumco.com and see what's up with the new episodes. Ah,
they seem to be under construction and coming soon. How interesting. I
guess I didn't need to tell the group the Tenacious D DVD was coming out
with Spumco's Fuck Her Gently video on it, as www.spumco.com is such a
wonderfully central place for news about the company.
(That is what it goes back to, right? You don't like me because I think
it's a bad idea for there to be no Spumco website and gave long reasoned
arguments for my position, and long reasoned responses to your
positions. Hey, maybe you do like me but just feel it's in your best
interests to try to make me seem like I have it in for Spumco whenever
possible, so that if the website argument ever comes up again you can
try to win the popularity contest and carry public opinion with image
over logic. Or maybe it was your decision to pull the site and you need
to make that decision appear justified within the company by making the
primary proponent of the other side seem like an enemy of Spumco. This
paranthetical is, naturally enough, just speculation. So why don't you
provide some facts, so my speculations can be drawn more tightly: 1) do
you like me? 2) do you dislike me? 3) Was it your idea to pull the
website completely instead of stripping it down? 4) Was it your decision
to pull the website altogether instead of stripping it down? 5) Were you
a leading proponent of pulling the website entirely instead of stripping
it down? 6) Did you oppose the pulling of the website entirely instead
of stripping it down? 7) Why do you persist in attacking me? This final
question is the main question, but the preceding questions will provide
valuable information to inform question 7, and avoid the obvious
potential for unreflective, shallow, or factually incorrect responses to
question 7.)
Love,
Ted
The General
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Stephen Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> Nevertheless, there was in fact speculation that Spike was going to bury
> the show (and it was industry speculation if the source is to be
> believed).
What was the source? The internet is full of rumors. You have the
benefit of having someone on the inside filling you in. Why believe a
rumor over that?
Ted
Stephen Worth wrote:
>
> In article <3FB02AD0...@nospam.com>, Ted
> <nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > Nevertheless, there was in fact speculation that Spike was going to bury
> > the show (and it was industry speculation if the source is to be
> > believed).
>
> What was the source? The internet is full of rumors. You have the
> benefit of having someone on the inside filling you in. Why believe a
> rumor over that?
1) The speculation was reported in TV Week; TV Week is enough of a trade
to give creedence to the existence of such speculation even without a
specific person quoted speculating.
2) Industry speculation is valuable as it involves people involved in
the type of decision making processes that Spike will be going through
in terms of deciding their future line up. Yanking shows with a promise
to relaunch them later would seem to make people in the industry suspect
that such a show will not return.
3) Inside information presumably given to you by Spike about Spike's
plans has been wrong before, specifically the information about "At the
Beach"'s airtimes, followed by the information about "Naked Beach
Frenzy"'s airtimes. As for why Spike would keep paying you yet not
relaunch the animation (which you asked in your previous post, but my
answer is logically placed here), I don't know. Why would Fox leave
filmed episodes of the Tick, the Ben Stiller Show or Harsh Realm
unaired? Why would Cartoon Network pay for cartoons to be made and then
air them twice? Why would Spike fail to show reruns of Firedogs 2? Why
would Spike pull their animation block bit by bit until it was
completely gone? The answers to these questions might shed light on why
Spike might not in the future air the cartoons they are paying you to complete.
Now, perhaps you will return to my unanswered question from my last
post: why would you attack me on this issue when I attacked the troll
who was trying to present the speculation as a fait accompli? Why didn't
you attack the troll?
Stephen Worth
<nospam...@nospam.com> wrote:
> 1) The speculation was reported in TV Week;
Also in TV Week was a quote from the head of programming from TNN
saying that the rumors have been false going all the way back to the
rumor saying that Striperella had been cancelled before it even aired.
There is the word straight from the horse's mouth. Why quote the rumor
when you have the straight dope?
Where did that Stripperella rumor begin? With an "industry source"?
Nope. It started with a fanboy posting one of his personal fantasies to
Animation Nation. It wasn't true, and lots of people in the business
knew that way back then, because they had friends working on the shows
that were supposedly cancelled. But that didn't stop the rumor. It
keeps going to today. (And no, to my knowledge, Striperella isn't
cancelled yet.)
I apologize if I seem to come down hard on these sorts of things, but I
had to deal with it constantly when we had our chatboard on the Spumco
website. Someone would post a false rumor... I would post a
correction... Then, on another board, someone would quote the false
rumor without quoting my correction... It just goes on and on.
I don't care if folks don't like the shows. We aren't making them to
appeal to everyone. We have our own audience that appreciates what we
do and that's good enough for us. But if someone extends their personal
distaste for the shows into messing with our bread and butter by
spreading false rumors about our business issues, I won't sit idly by.
There is no need for speculation. You have me right here answering your
questions. When you read that article in TV Week, didn't you notice
that you knew a few things that the guy who wrote the article didn't
know?
> 2) Yanking shows with a promise
> to relaunch them later would seem to make people in the industry suspect
> that such a show will not return.
I told you that we were not producing a full season's worth of
episodes, and we haven't gotten a pickup for further episodes. Knowing
that, why would you expect TNN to rerun that partial season for a full
season.
> 3) Inside information presumably given to you by Spike about Spike's
> plans has been wrong before, specifically the information about "At the
> Beach"'s airtimes, followed by the information about "Naked Beach
> Frenzy"'s airtimes.
I never gave an airdate for Naked Beach Frenzy (aka: At The Beach). I
told you when we delivered the finished show to TNN. At that point, we
were told that the show would probably air in late night hours in the
rerun slot. As soon as we found out that it wouldn't air then, I told
you that the airdate was on hold until we could deliver a blurred out
version. Then I told you when the blurred out version was delivered. I
don't know how much more I could have told you.
> Why would Fox leave
> filmed episodes of the Tick, the Ben Stiller Show or Harsh Realm
> unaired? Why would Cartoon Network pay for cartoons to be made and then
> air them twice?
Those are questions for people who know about those shows.
> Why would Spike fail to show reruns of Firedogs 2?
Because the length of the two halves put together exceeds TNN's format.
If you remember, I told you that the live action wraparound on the
first air was a special thing just for first air. To rerun, the show
needs to be trimmed or filled out with bumpers. That decision hasn't
been made yet.
> Why would Spike pull their animation block bit by bit until it was
> completely gone?
Because they didn't have new episodes in the pipeline to roll in to
replace the reruns. The ratings were good on the first go round of the
cartoon block. TNN is ordering a batch of new shows for the relaunch
after the first of the year. I already told you all this, and it's in
the TV Week article.
> Now, perhaps you will return to my unanswered question from my last
> post: why would you attack me on this issue when I attacked the troll
> who was trying to present the speculation as a fait accompli? Why didn't
> you attack the troll?
Because it was obvious that the troll didn't know what he was talking
about. You make a better show of pretending to know. If anyone has any
questions about the show, I'm happy to answer them. I don't need any
help.
R. Westermeyer
wrote:
>> Why would Spike fail to show reruns of Firedogs 2?
>
>Because the length of the two halves put together exceeds TNN's format.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
What was the cartoon/commercial ration of that "format", mr. special
inside news boy? That wonderful "format" that never seemed to start
or end on time?
>
>See ya
>Steve
Stephen Worth
<robertwe...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Ever wonder why most other people working on animated television shows
don't bother to post information for the fans on the net? Everyone
reaps the crap you're sowing.
chippy
he says seems a little attack-ish, but he's just frustrated;
like the rest of us, here. Very uncertain of what has
happen to our beloved R&S. & uncertainty lends us to
believe rumors. Your response, while seeming a little gruff,
filled us in. I hope all you say here, actually comes to fruition,
next year!
Let's keep our Happy Helmets on.
R. Westermeyer
wrote:
>Ever wonder why most other people working on animated television shows
>don't bother to post information for the fans on the net?
No.
>..
>See ya
>Steve