Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
Bob
Catman Dude =^-.-^=
Bob wrote in message <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
If Vaseline wasn't safe to eat, more people would be dead. I grew up putting
it on my lips when they were chapped.
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Yep, I just checked the labelling on a tube of Laxatone (basically same
stuff as PetroMalt - hairball remedy), and the main ingredients are: "White
petrolatum and liquid petrolatum in a palatable base". The labelling on a
jar of Vaseline reads: "White petrolatum, USP". Same stuff, the only
debatable point being whether or not the Laxatone is 'palatable'. One of my
cats gives her nod of approval, the other most definitely does not! Cathy
>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
>is it safe to give it to them?
>
>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
>she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
I was trying to take my cat's temperature. He got wise to me, and
wouldn't stand for it. But I'm sure some of the jelly got on his bum.
He licked it off.
I was wondering if this was harmful, but I don't have any idea how
else to lubricate the thermometer if not with this jelly
Apryl
Who still hasn't been able to get his temp
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>Catman Dude wrote:
>>
>> No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just as
>> you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
>
>If Vaseline wasn't safe to eat, more people would be dead. I grew up putting
>it on my lips when they were chapped.
You probably wouldn't want to make it a nutritional part of a balanced
diet, though.
<grin> "Vaseline cat food/chapstick/thermometer lubricant...with twelve
essential vitamins and minerals!"</grin>
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Disclaimer: Just a opinion, not medical advice. The Internet is not a
substitute for a veterinarian.
Bob schrieb in Nachricht <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
>is it safe to give it to them?
>
>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
>she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
>
>Bob
>
> No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just as
> you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
check w/a vet, of course, but i think vaseline *is* safe. after all,
the primary ingredient in petromalt (the hairball remedy) is petroleum
jelly is vaseline.
-j.
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Apryl N Paris wrote in message <368c2cd4...@news.flash.net>...
>On Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:08:52 -0500, Bob <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
>>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
>>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
>>is it safe to give it to them?
>>
>>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
>>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
>>she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
>
>
Vaseline, Petromalt, Laxatone, and similar hairball remedies are
relatively safe. They are all used to treat hairballs, of course, and
constipation. There is one caveat, though, as Michael points out.
Petrolatum (the stuff common to all these products) is insoluble and
indigestible. As it makes its way through a cat's GI tract, it absorbs
fat soluble vitamins. Heavy routine doses of the stuff can deprive a cat
of nutrition. Doses should be limited to directions on the container; a
couple times a week during shedding season, or episodically for
constipation.
If the issue concerns you, I'd suggest using digestible fats instead,
vegetable oil or butter.
Regards,
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Bob wrote:
> My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
> occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
> preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
> is it safe to give it to them?
>
> Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
> if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
> she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
>
> Bob
CaraWitte
Catsastar Persians
Jerika Leah
Shena Delian O'Brien wrote:
> Catman Dude wrote:
> >
> > No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just as
> > you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
>
> If Vaseline wasn't safe to eat, more people would be dead. I grew up putting
> it on my lips when they were chapped.
>
Because the vet says so?
> Vaseline is NOT safe for ANY animal, and in truth,
> its not safe for humans to injest it either.
It's not safe exactly for us to eat olestra either, but we put it in our
foods.
> A small amount put on your lips does
> not a meal make.
Neither does the tiny bit someone might give their cat once in a while to
help it with hairballs.
Nikki
jerikaleah wrote:
> Chocolate is not poison for humans (most), but it will kill small dogs, young
> kittens and birds. Why should something be safe for a different life form, just
> because its safe for humans? Vaseline is NOT safe for ANY animal, and in truth,
> its not safe for humans to injest it either. A small amount put on your lips does
> not a meal make.
>
> Jerika Leah
>
> Shena Delian O'Brien wrote:
>
> > Catman Dude wrote:
> > >
> > > No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just as
> > > you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
> >
> > If Vaseline wasn't safe to eat, more people would be dead. I grew up putting
> > it on my lips when they were chapped.
> >
Nikki
Stuart wrote:
> Are you sure? I know it's called petroleum jelly, but ALL petroleum products
> are carcinogenic, so I can't believe Vaseline still has petroleum
> by-products in it. Surely if it does, it couldn't be sold in its' current
> packaging! Sorry I don't have any Vaseline here to check the labelling . . .
> I do, however, have some - oops, sorry, wrong NG for that topic :)
>
> Catman Dude wrote in message ...
> >No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
> as
> >you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
> >
> >Catman Dude =^-.-^=
> >
> >Bob wrote in message <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
what does your vet say?
patti
Catman Dude wrote in message ...
>No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
as
>you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
>
>Catman Dude =^-.-^=
>
>Bob wrote in message <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
>>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
>>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
>>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
>>is it safe to give it to them?
>>
>>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
>>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
> Catman Dude wrote in message ...
> >No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
> as you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
> >Catman Dude =^-.-^=
Suart-
All petroleum products are not carcinogenic. That's far too broad a
statement to support. Vaseline, petrolatum, petroleum jelly- all the
same thing- are a refined petroleum product closely related to
polyethyene (polythene for those on the other side of the pond) and
paraffin. Vaseline is purified to US Pharmacopeia standards, so any
harmful elements are insignificant. The stuff itself is indigestible,
and simply passes through. Not toxic; not carcinogenic.
Catman, if you really are anxious about it, I'd recommend you use
butter or cooking oil instead. It's a bit fattening, and not quite as
effective as the pterolatum products, but it works well enough.
>Are you sure? I know it's called petroleum jelly, but ALL petroleum products
>are carcinogenic, so I can't believe Vaseline still has petroleum
>by-products in it. Surely if it does, it couldn't be sold in its' current
>packaging! Sorry I don't have any Vaseline here to check the labelling . . .
>I do, however, have some - oops, sorry, wrong NG for that topic :)
The ingredient is petrolatum..I always wondered why they called it
Petroleum jelly..when it is petrolatum..
>
>Catman Dude wrote in message ...
>>No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
>as
>>you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
>>
>>Catman Dude =^-.-^=
>>
Karen Hohne
Next time, try facts, Jerika.
this is true. read on:
petrolatum
Pronunciation: [petrulA´tum]
colorless to yellowish-white hydrocarbon mixture obtained by
fractional distillation of petroleum. In its jellylike semisolid form
(known as petroleum jelly and also by several trade names) it is used
in preparing medicinal ointments and for lubrication. As a nearly
colorless, highly refined liquid known as liquid petrolatum, liquid
paraffin, or mineral oil, it is used as a lubricant, as a laxative,
and as a base for nasal sprays.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Columbia Encyclopedia, Fifth Edition Copyright ©1993, Columbia
University Press. Licensed from Inso Corporation. All rights reserved.
>Are you sure? I know it's called petroleum jelly, but ALL petroleum products
>are carcinogenic, so I can't believe Vaseline still has petroleum
>by-products in it. Surely if it does, it couldn't be sold in its' current
>packaging! Sorry I don't have any Vaseline here to check the labelling . . .
>I do, however, have some - oops, sorry, wrong NG for that topic :)
>
>Catman Dude wrote in message ...
>>No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
>as
>>you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
>>
>>Catman Dude =^-.-^=
>>
>>Bob wrote in message <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
>>>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
>>>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
>>>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
>>>is it safe to give it to them?
>>>
>>>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
>>>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
>>>she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
>>>
Laxatone and Petromalt are basically flavored "Vaseline". I don't
think Vaseline would be any easier to administer than Laxatone.
>>>Bob
>>>
>>
>>
>
> Vaseline, Petromalt, Laxatone, and similar hairball remedies are
> relatively safe. They are all used to treat hairballs, of course, and
> constipation. There is one caveat, though, as Michael points out.
> Petrolatum (the stuff common to all these products) is insoluble and
> indigestible.
snip.
Well, there's another caveat. I once had a cat (Suki, part-Siamese stray)
who ADORED Petromalt, in contrast to all the other cats I've ever had
who either just tolerate it or absolutely hate it. I foolishly left a
tube out once, where Suki could get to it-and get to it she did. She
ate nearly the whole thing, and guess what came out of her butt the
next day? The tube had changed, but the Petromalt itself didn't... (ewwww,
sorry about that).
Suki wasn't harmed by that episode, but I was much more careful about
putting the tube away after that! Thus, you run the risk of getting
seriously grossed out if you feed your cat too much of that stuff.
Marca
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Gould
Stuart wrote:
>
> Are you sure? I know it's called petroleum jelly, but ALL petroleum products
> are carcinogenic, so I can't believe Vaseline still has petroleum
> by-products in it. Surely if it does, it couldn't be sold in its' current
> packaging! Sorry I don't have any Vaseline here to check the labelling . . .
> I do, however, have some - oops, sorry, wrong NG for that topic :)
>
> Catman Dude wrote in message ...
> >No! Vaseline is not safe to eat! It is a petroleum based product and just
> as
> >you wouldn't drink motor oil, don't give it to the cats.
> >
> >Catman Dude =^-.-^=
> >
> >Bob wrote in message <368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
> >>My cats like to lick Vaseline and I give them a little
> >>occasionally because I've heard somewhere that it's good for
> >>preventing hairballs and for their coat. Is this true? If so,
> >>is it safe to give it to them?
> >>
> >>Also, one of my cats is straining to defecate and I was wondering
> >>if Vaseline could serve as a laxative (I've tried Laxatone but
> >>she refuses to eat it)? Please reply. Thanks in advance!!
> >>
> >>Bob
> >>
> >
> >
I guess you could say I'm on a crusade to teach people not to overeact when it
comes to chocolate. My kitties have been known to steal Reese's peanut butter cups
from me, the little rascals. So, I had to ask my vet if there was any truth to the
"Poison" chocolate story.
Nikki
Gould wrote:
> All petroleum products are not carcinogens. If that were true we would
> all be dead.
> Are you dead? I think I'm alive. Maybe not. I don't know.
>
> Gould
>
***snip***
Nikki-
Chocolate is toxic to cats. Let me say it again. Chocolate is toxic to
cats.
The fact that it isn't virulently lethal, or that there isn't an LD50
established for it doesn't contradict that fact. You needn't get into a
panic if they scarf an M&M. However, if you routinely give them
chocolate as a treat, you're going to shorten their lives, compromise
their health and the quality of their lives, and essentially do a really
stupid thing.
I'm sorry Nikki, you're wrong. Chocolate is toxic to cats. Giving cats
something that even the ASPCA says is harmful to your cat is not a good
thing, and it's just the wrong dang issue to base a crusade upon. Give
your cat chocolate if you sincerely feel its a fine thing, but don't
encourage others to do it. It's wrong, and you're wrong, both in your
making it an issue, and in asserting that it's harmless. It isn't.
Let me say it once again, in case you misunderstood. Chocolate is toxic
to cats.
My vet recommended Vaseline, said it works just as well as Petromalt. I
would think if you were giving your cat daily doses of either of those
products that your cat must have a more serious problem than hairballs.
On the tuna issue. Fancy Feast has a variety of cat food called "Flaked,
Fish & Shrimp Feast, Gourmet Cat Food", my cats love it. Over the years I
have used this as a "treat" food when they have been particularly good or
I've been late several nights in a row. It is a tasty flaked fish with
little shrimp and it is nutritionally complete. Best of all it costs less
than a can of tuna.
R2
jerikaleah wrote in message <368C4DAA...@earthlink.net>...
>Chocolate is not poison for humans (most), but it will kill small dogs,
young
>kittens and birds. Why should something be safe for a different life form,
just
>because its safe for humans? Vaseline is NOT safe for ANY animal, and in
truth,
>its not safe for humans to injest it either. A small amount put on your
lips does
>not a meal make.
>
>Jerika Leah
>
As long as you don't give too much too often, it can help relieve
hairballs. In excess, it will cause loose bowel movements and deprive
you cat of proper nutrition.
Laxatone, and similar commercial products containg a number of
additional beneficial ingredients, and are usually malt flavored to make
them more palatable.
Follow directions on the package, and do not exceed these unless
directed to do so by YOUR vet.
--
BobH
"You cannot move mountains, if you believe them to be mountains.
You must think of them as collections of small stones,
Which can be moved on at a time, and then reassembled."
-- The Tao of Meow
The important thing is to note the amount of chocolate and the body
weight of the dog.
Now consider the body weight of the average cat, or worse yet a kitten.
Realize that a proportionally smaller amount is harmful to a feline due
to the difference in size (body weight).
http://www.netpet.com/articles/choc.tox.html
http://www.avma.org/pubhlth/poisgde.html
http://www.vetinfo.com/cencyclopedia/ceindex.html
Nikki
Neither had I before I found this newsgroup.
A couple of years ago I stayed for a few days with a girl who had two
cats. I had a big bar of hazel nut milk chocolate (yum!). I had never
heard about a cat even *liking* anything other than meat, fish, milk and
the occasional grass straw (plus some very similar things as treats,
like mild "household" cheese, custard, whipped cream, etc... but just
very mild tasting stuff, and Mommy's Plants, of course!). As I had never
had reason to regard chocolate as being in danger with a cat around I
put it on the table when I went out in the morning. When I came back,
two little gentlemen in tuxedos had pounced on it, dragged it across the
floor, ripped off the paper cover and gnawed and licked all over it!
(they looked VERY happy!!!) As I didn't know about chocolate being bad
for cats I told the girl they could have it (me first - cats later, OK,
but not the other way around...).
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> Chocolate is toxic to cats. Let me say it again. Chocolate is toxic to
> cats.
> .......etc.
OK. You have made your statement, but you haven't offered evidence
about at what level it becomes toxic, or why small repeated doses would
be harmful. Lots of foods can be toxic at high levels, but beneficial
at low or moderate levels. Have you any evidence that chocolate isn't
one of these?
Oh no, can't possibly provide _facts_ in the discussion. Makes it
so much harder to whip up the hysteria, you know.
"Approximately one half ounce of baking chocolate per pound body
weight
or less can cause clinical signs of toxicity [in a cat.]"
This quote is from Jill A. Richardson, DVM Veterinary Poison
Information Specialist ASPCA/National Animal Poison Control Center. You
can find the complete text at
http://www.cfainc.org/articles/health-tentips.html
The advice of the ASPCA is to keep chocolate away from critters.
Chocolate is not a food at all in regards to cats.
I might also point out that "clinical signs of toxicity" doesn't mean
that there isn't toxic damage to a cat with lesser amounts.
Gould
There is a difference between being sick and being poisoned. Sick you
recover from with little difficulty. Poisoning is often fatal.
This is petty nitpicking, Gould. If you really can't come up with a
more substantive reason for not giving a toxic (albeit modestly toxic)
treat to your cat, then I'd suggest you simply not give your cat
chocolate, in any amount.
Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you really *want* people
to give their cats chocolate? What is your purpose here?
Paul
> konengro wrote:
> >
> > Bill Savary wrote:
> > >
> > > OK. You have made your statement, but you haven't offered evidence
> > > about at what level it becomes toxic, or why small repeated doses would
> > > be harmful.
> >
> > "Approximately one half ounce of baking chocolate per pound body
> > weight
> > or less can cause clinical signs of toxicity [in a cat.]"
> > This quote is from Jill A. Richardson, DVM Veterinary Poison
> > Information Specialist ASPCA/National Animal Poison Control Center. You
> > can find the complete text at
> > http://www.cfainc.org/articles/health-tentips.html
> > The advice of the ASPCA is to keep chocolate away from critters.
> > Chocolate is not a food at all in regards to cats.
> > I might also point out that "clinical signs of toxicity" doesn't mean
> > that there isn't toxic damage to a cat with lesser amounts.
--
=================
=================
Hi Paul,
I think Gould is missing the point that cats and dogs don't bother
reading the labels, but will eat their fill if unsupervised.
Cats will lick at a puddle of antifreeze because it is
sweet--unfortunately, it will kill them.
Humans have a responsibility to animals, to protect them from themselves
in these situations.
--
Cheers, BobH
"If you want to be a psychological novelist and
write about human beings, the best thing you can
do is to keep a pair of cats." -- Aldous Huxley
Gould
konengro wrote:
>
> Gould wrote:
> >
> > That's a pile of chocolate. 12 lb cat=6 oz chocolate. If I ate 6 oz of
> > chocolate at one time I'd be sick too. One Hershey bar is probably less
> > than 2 oz
>
> This is petty nitpicking, Gould. If you really can't come up with a
> more substantive reason for not giving a toxic (albeit modestly toxic)
> treat to your cat, then I'd suggest you simply not give your cat
> chocolate, in any amount.
> Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you really *want* people
> to give their cats chocolate? What is your purpose here?
>
> Paul
>
Gould.
"Bob Avery H......." wrote:
>
> konengro wrote:
> >
> > Gould wrote:
> > >
> > > That's a pile of chocolate. 12 lb cat=6 oz chocolate. If I ate 6 oz of
> > > chocolate at one time I'd be sick too. One Hershey bar is probably less
> > > than 2 oz
> >
> > This is petty nitpicking, Gould. If you really can't come up with a
> > more substantive reason for not giving a toxic (albeit modestly toxic)
> > treat to your cat, then I'd suggest you simply not give your cat
> > chocolate, in any amount.
> > Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you really *want* people
> > to give their cats chocolate? What is your purpose here?
> >
> > Paul
>
Naturally, you must also be prepared to accept the consequences of your
actions should anything go wrong.
A question was asked, and issue raised, and I for one have tried to
respond in a positive manner.
As a pet "owner", I feel a great responsibility for my cats, and do my
best to ensure that they will enjoy long, happy and healty lives with
us.
I refuse to deliberately expose them to known dangers, and that is my
choice.
What you may choose is up to you, despite any guidance readers in this
group may offer. However, remember that you must live with the
consequences.
--
Cheers, BobH
"If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."
Nikki
Gould wrote:
> My point is that animals are smarter than alot of people give them
> credit. I have found that cats are especially careful about their diets.
> Dogs are another story. The point about chocolate is stop being so
> damned paranoid everyone. The cat is not going to die from eating a
> little chocolate. The cat probably wouldn't want the amount of chocolate
> that could be toxic and would leave it alone.
>
> Gould.
>
> "Bob Avery H......." wrote:
> >
> > konengro wrote:
> > >
> > > Gould wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's a pile of chocolate. 12 lb cat=6 oz chocolate. If I ate 6 oz of
> > > > chocolate at one time I'd be sick too. One Hershey bar is probably less
> > > > than 2 oz
> > >
> > > This is petty nitpicking, Gould. If you really can't come up with a
> > > more substantive reason for not giving a toxic (albeit modestly toxic)
> > > treat to your cat, then I'd suggest you simply not give your cat
> > > chocolate, in any amount.
> > > Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you really *want* people
> > > to give their cats chocolate? What is your purpose here?
> > >
> > > Paul
> >
> > =================
> > =================
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > I think Gould is missing the point that cats and dogs don't bother
> > reading the labels, but will eat their fill if unsupervised.
> >
> > Cats will lick at a puddle of antifreeze because it is
> > sweet--unfortunately, it will kill them.
> >
> > Humans have a responsibility to animals, to protect them from themselves
> > in these situations.
> > --
> > Cheers, BobH
As you say however, to each his own. I do it my way. You do it yours.
Gould
"Bob Avery H......." wrote:
>
> Gould wrote:
> >
> > My point is that animals are smarter than alot of people give them
> > credit. I have found that cats are especially careful about their diets.
> > Dogs are another story. The point about chocolate is stop being so
> > damned paranoid everyone. The cat is not going to die from eating a
> > little chocolate. The cat probably wouldn't want the amount of chocolate
> > that could be toxic and would leave it alone.
> >
> > Gould.
> ========
> Gould,
> Please don't misunderstand. How you choose to manage your home
> environment is your business. After all, isn't a man's home his castle?
>
> Naturally, you must also be prepared to accept the consequences of your
> actions should anything go wrong.
>
> A question was asked, and issue raised, and I for one have tried to
> respond in a positive manner.
>
> As a pet "owner", I feel a great responsibility for my cats, and do my
> best to ensure that they will enjoy long, happy and healty lives with
> us.
>
> I refuse to deliberately expose them to known dangers, and that is my
> choice.
>
> What you may choose is up to you, despite any guidance readers in this
> group may offer. However, remember that you must live with the
> consequences.
> --
> Cheers, BobH
Gould
Nikki Scheuermann wrote:
>
> Thank you very very very much. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you.
>
> Nikki
>
You said it much better than I could have. I absolutely agree with you, and I
applaud you. My cats are very happy, healthy cats that are inside cats, wear
SoftPaws, and don't go to the vet if they eat a piece of chocolate. Of course,
I don't go to the doctor unless I'm so sick I think I'm going to die. That's
how it was in my family when I was growing up. However, I am aware enough of my
cats that I know if they are sick and need veterinary care. So, they get the
care when they need it, including vaccinations, and then they get the piece of
mind of knowing they won't have to go back to that evil doctor for a long time.
Nikki
Gould wrote:
> I understand your concern for your animals. I don't want anything bad to
> happen to mine either. They are our charges and we must do all we can to
> make their lives the best we can. After reading lots of posts on this
> group I have noticed what I perceive to be over sensitivity to our
> little friends problems. I've had many different animals as pets over
> the last 40 years and for the most part they seem to have gotten along
> just fine without much intervention from me. They didn't have urinary
> problems. They didn't have teary eyes. They didn't have hair falling
> out. They just went on everyday like most living things do. Generally
> speaking in good health. Maybe I have been lucky. I don't think so but
> maybe. Would you agree that people tend to get out of hand with the care
> of their pets? I guess what I am saying is love em, make sure they get
> good medical care but damn, leave them be. They are not babies. They are
> animals under our care. We must keep this in perspective.
>
> As you say however, to each his own. I do it my way. You do it yours.
>
> Gould
>
> "Bob Avery H......." wrote:
> >
> > Gould wrote:
> > >
> > > My point is that animals are smarter than alot of people give them
> > > credit. I have found that cats are especially careful about their diets.
> > > Dogs are another story. The point about chocolate is stop being so
> > > damned paranoid everyone. The cat is not going to die from eating a
> > > little chocolate. The cat probably wouldn't want the amount of chocolate
> > > that could be toxic and would leave it alone.
> > >
> > > Gould.
Gould <lj...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article
<3692BB2F...@ix.netcom.com>...
| I understand your concern for your animals. I don't want anything bad to
| happen to mine either. They are our charges and we must do all we can to
| make their lives the best we can. After reading lots of posts on this
| group I have noticed what I perceive to be over sensitivity to our
| little friends problems. I've had many different animals as pets over
| the last 40 years and for the most part they seem to have gotten along
| just fine without much intervention from me. They didn't have urinary
| problems. They didn't have teary eyes. They didn't have hair falling
| out.
***snip***
The things you mention above all can be potentially serious problems.
Urinary problems are not to be taken lightly, and can be fatal.
Unfortunately, if you do not pay close attention to your cats and their
activities you may not notice the symptoms.
Teary eyes can be a symptom of upper respiratory infection...which can also
be fatal to cats. Hair falling out may be in most cases just a normal thing
for cats, but it can also point to other more serious problems. Such as
skin infections.
People posting in this group on these problems are not showing signs of
"over sensitivity", they are merely asking questions about something that
they know can be related to serious problems. They are taking the first
step in making sure that their animals are at the utmost level of health.
This isn't over sensitivity, it's responsibility.
I beleive that if you have not had any cats with these problems you have
been very lucky. My two boys have had all of them.
Becky
do...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <368BD5...@worldnet.att.net>,
> konengro <kone...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> > Vaseline, Petromalt, Laxatone, and similar hairball remedies are
> > relatively safe. They are all used to treat hairballs, of course, and
> > constipation. There is one caveat, though, as Michael points out.
> > Petrolatum (the stuff common to all these products) is insoluble and
> > indigestible.
>
> snip.
>
> Well, there's another caveat. I once had a cat (Suki, part-Siamese stray)
> who ADORED Petromalt, in contrast to all the other cats I've ever had
> who either just tolerate it or absolutely hate it. I foolishly left a
> tube out once, where Suki could get to it-and get to it she did. She
> ate nearly the whole thing, and guess what came out of her butt the
> next day? The tube had changed, but the Petromalt itself didn't... (ewwww,
> sorry about that).
>
> Suki wasn't harmed by that episode, but I was much more careful about
> putting the tube away after that! Thus, you run the risk of getting
> seriously grossed out if you feed your cat too much of that stuff.
>
> Marca
>
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I've also tried Hairball Remedy by Foster and Smith. This product is safe
to use everyday. My long-haired cat has a lot of difficulty with
hairballs, so I give the remedy to him, even though he doesn't like it. I
put a small amount on his fur and he licks it off. Works every time.
After the first few times, he seems to be handling the situation much
better. I like for him to be happy and hairball-free so I've adopted the
"Mama Knows Best" policy. :}
Deb
P. S. Any tips on responding to a post without the screen popping up
stating that 80% of the original message has been duplicated and that I'm
being rude?
Bob <rob...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<368A5014...@hotmail.com>...
My boyfriend's cat once ate almost an entire box of raisin bran. He had a
poop party after that, heh :)
Gould.
By the way I grew up in a house where you just didn't worry about health
until you were sick. My parents both lived to quite an old age no thanks
to doctors. Just lucky I guess.
Gould
On Christmas day my new puppy took the lid off, and ate half a can of
cashew nuts. The next day his poop was 'chock full of nuts '.
What some participants appear to have missed is that humans can learn
and understand when a substance is deemed toxic, and should avoid its
use.
Animals don't always seem to do this, and for some, the lesson is very
expensive.
--
Cheers, BobH
>Gould wrote:
>>
>> That's a pile of chocolate. 12 lb cat=6 oz chocolate. If I ate 6 oz of
>> chocolate at one time I'd be sick too. One Hershey bar is probably less
>> than 2 oz
>
> This is petty nitpicking, Gould. If you really can't come up with a
>more substantive reason for not giving a toxic (albeit modestly toxic)
>treat to your cat, then I'd suggest you simply not give your cat
>chocolate, in any amount.
> Are you arguing for the sake of arguing, or do you really *want* people
>to give their cats chocolate? What is your purpose here?
170lbs man = 5.3Lbs chocolate, If I ate 5.3Lbs of chocolate in one sitting
I would feel I ate something toxic too, I feel it is a valid point that
some measures of toxicity are not measured in the real world.
Like the FDA and the cyclamate/saccarin scam.
>
>Paul
>
>> konengro wrote:
>> >
>> > Bill Savary wrote:
>> > >
>> > > OK. You have made your statement, but you haven't offered evidence
>> > > about at what level it becomes toxic, or why small repeated doses would
>> > > be harmful.
>> >
>> > "Approximately one half ounce of baking chocolate per pound body
>> > weight
>> > or less can cause clinical signs of toxicity [in a cat.]"
>> > This quote is from Jill A. Richardson, DVM Veterinary Poison
>> > Information Specialist ASPCA/National Animal Poison Control Center. You
>> > can find the complete text at
>> > http://www.cfainc.org/articles/health-tentips.html
>> > The advice of the ASPCA is to keep chocolate away from critters.
>> > Chocolate is not a food at all in regards to cats.
>> > I might also point out that "clinical signs of toxicity" doesn't mean
>> > that there isn't toxic damage to a cat with lesser amounts.
>
>--
>Paul F. Hoff Milton, WA konengro*at*worldnet.att.net
> Uncle Walter's Small Engine Repair and Keys Made
> http://home.att.net/~konengro/
Mike
Mike-
You dug up a post from last January about the toxicity of chocolate?
Mike, did you have some purpose in doing this? To my knowledge,
chocolate hasn't changed in toxicity in the last three months. If you've
had an unopened box of Christmas chocolate from last year you're
considering giving to your cat, well, you might think twice about eating
it yourself. Save it and give it to your boss for Christmas this year.
Don't feed it to your cat whatever you do.
Regards,
--
Paul F. Hoff Milton, WA kone...@worldnet.att.net
*Stutsbear and the Bionic Busboy* Lithodendron, 1996
http://home.att.net/~konengro/stories.htm
>170lbs man = 5.3Lbs chocolate, If I ate 5.3Lbs of chocolate in one sitting
>I would feel I ate something toxic too
:::groans::: Big... chocolate... Easter.. bunny... :::passes out:::
~ Calista
All animals except man know that the ultimate of life is to enjoy it.
-Samuel Butler
:::picks up phone::: Hallo? It's BAXTER! "Meow, Meow, Meow, Meow..."
just couldn't resist could you? ;)
-- dragonfly
www.stormi.demon.co.uk/dragonfly/
"you know how it feels when you're leaning back
in your chair and you lean *too* far back and
you almost fall over backwards, but you catch
yourself at the last minute? i do that all the time.."
>just couldn't resist could you? ;)
Hey, Easter is the most guiltfree chocolate of all year. You don't have to go
around begging for it (Halloween) you don't have to worry about any bills after
buying it (Christmas) and you don't have to worry about the giver trying to
*boink* you (Valentines). Just a sweet little Easter Bunny dropping off a ton
of chocolate. Then you stare at the chocolate bunny and think "Oh, how cute
*munchmunchmunch*"