ping pearl (yippeeeee -- crop circles!!!)
usual suspect
field. The nuts claimed they were feeling the coalescence, healing
energy, calm and reassurance, even VACILLATIONS (wtf?!). One fruitcake
even said "...she could feel a cosmic power after pacing in the circle
for about a minute."
Funny. The circles were made by pranksters and cost the farmer $500 in
lost crop yield. It truly is a mystery of our times that grown adults
will fall for this kind of nonsense.
-----
True believers, visionaries, psychics and people in purple robes lay
down Wednesday in the middle of a Solano County wheat field where
vortexes were converging and all things were possible.
"I feel like I'm melting right into the earth," said Lily Kyle. "It's
intense. There's a coalescence, no doubt about it."
pearl
Believe you me, you don't want me taking up that game.
"usual suspect" <above...@earth.man> wrote in message news:3F042F7B...@earth.man...
<snip ad-hominem>
> > Funny. The circles were made by pranksters and cost the farmer $500 in
> lost crop yield. It truly is a mystery of our times that grown adults
> will fall for this kind of nonsense.
<snip>
>
> http://tinyurl.com/fxnu
That looks like a prank to me too.
But this..
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=545&category=Environment
pearl
>
> In article <be1d4k$nq4$1...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> writes
You have any proof of that?
I must say those 'pranksters' did an amazingly precise job!
I'd like to see it replicated. (compare with the pic' at usual's link).
> which will have cost the farmer a significant sum,
No... 'we walked in and examined very closely the crop which is
almost standing upright again. It's in young wheat and the formation
was very lightly imprinted. ' Considerate 'pranksters' weren't they.
<...>
usual suspect
> I don't need proof. ALL crop circles are very obviously made by man.
> Thousands of hours have been spent by people overlooking corn fields
> waiting to see a whirlwind or an alien life force or anything else you
> can dream up creating a crop circle and none have been seen. Surprising
> or not?
My point was to show the fools who dismiss the farmer's account (he was
told something like this would happen) and still go out in the field and
claim to feel peace and healing and other nonsense. I think that part of
it's not surprising at all, especially when our twilight-zoned pearl has
to find some crop circles that MUST be real.
>> I must say those 'pranksters' did an amazingly precise job!
>
> But of course. It isn't exactly difficult to show precision from an
> aerial photograph taken from several hundred feet away. What did it look
> like close up?
It's like an art form to the people who do it, and some become
proficient at covering their trails. It's not unlike doctors who are
very precise about the way they sew people back up after surgery --
leaving as little scarring as possible. To both groups, it's a mark of
distinction.
<snip>
>> No... 'we walked in and examined very closely the crop which is
>> almost standing upright again. It's in young wheat and the formation
>> was very lightly imprinted. ' Considerate 'pranksters' weren't they.
>>
> That statement comes from a highly suspect source, someone who believes
> in water in buried bottles showing "resonances", "memory",
> "frequencies", "residual frequencies".
>
> Independent? Objective? Rational?
>
> No to all three.
>
> Please try again to convince me, and others I dare say, that this was
> anything other than human-produced criminal damage to a farmer's crop.
I bet it was those bastards living under Mount Shasta, up to no good.
And they have the nerve to call themselves enlightened beings...
(*All* crop circles and formations are of terrestrial,
too-much-time-on-their-hands human origin.)
pearl
<..>
> (*All* crop circles and formations are of terrestrial,
> too-much-time-on-their-hands human origin.)
GOT IT, kids? lol.
pearl
>
> In article <be1on6$6a8$1...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> writes
> >"Malcolm" <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:ucl17hPZwFB$Ew...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> In article <be1d4k$nq4$1...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> >> writes
> >> >What's with the OT pings, suspect?
> >> >
> >> >Believe you me, you don't want me taking up that game.
> >> >
> >> >"usual suspect" <above...@earth.man> wrote in message
> >> >news:3F042F7B...@earth.man...
> >> >
> >> ><snip ad-hominem>
> >> >
> >> >> > Funny. The circles were made by pranksters and cost the farmer $500 in
> >> >> lost crop yield. It truly is a mystery of our times that grown adults
> >> >> will fall for this kind of nonsense.
> >> >
> >> ><snip>
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/fxnu
> >> >
> >> >That looks like a prank to me too.
> >> >
> >> >But this..
> >> >http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=545&category=Environment
> >> >
> >> is a prank
> >
> >You have any proof of that?
> >
> Thousands of hours have been spent by people overlooking corn fields
> waiting to see a whirlwind or an alien life force or anything else you
> can dream up creating a crop circle and none have been seen. Surprising
> or not?
Something has been seen. I'm not about to produce anything
here just for you to claim that you don't believe it though.
> >I must say those 'pranksters' did an amazingly precise job!
>
> But of course. It isn't exactly difficult to show precision from an
> aerial photograph taken from several hundred feet away.
It is if something isn't precise to begin with. See usual's pic.
> What did it look like close up?
Read the article. Look at the images.
> >I'd like to see it replicated. (compare with the pic' at usual's link).
> >
> It's only a series of circles - by far the easiest shape to replicate.
> Two posts and a piece of string would outline every shape shown. Don't
> you ever long for some square or oblong or trapezoidal crop marks?
And putting it all together as it is? Please.
There's all sorts of shapes if you care to look.
> >> which will have cost the farmer a significant sum,
> >
> >No... 'we walked in and examined very closely the crop which is
> >almost standing upright again. It's in young wheat and the formation
> >was very lightly imprinted. ' Considerate 'pranksters' weren't they.
> >
> That statement comes from a highly suspect source, someone who believes
> in water in buried bottles showing "resonances", "memory",
> "frequencies", "residual frequencies".
Ad-hominem cop-out, as usual.
> Independent? Objective? Rational?
>
> No to all three.
Summed yourself up perfectly.
> Please try again to convince me, and others I dare say, that this was
> anything other than human-produced criminal damage to a farmer's crop.
a. You've not shown there was any damage.
b. I really don't care what you think about it.
usual suspect
>>I don't need proof. ALL crop circles are very obviously made by man.
>>Thousands of hours have been spent by people overlooking corn fields
>>waiting to see a whirlwind or an alien life force or anything else you
>>can dream up creating a crop circle and none have been seen. Surprising
>>or not?
>
> Something has been seen. I'm not about to produce anything
> here just for you to claim that you don't believe it though.
Whiff.
>>But of course. It isn't exactly difficult to show precision from an
>>aerial photograph taken from several hundred feet away.
>
> It is if something isn't precise to begin with. See usual's pic.
Precision is pretty much irrelevant since it only demonstrates the skill
level of the crop circle artist(s).
>>What did it look like close up?
>
> Read the article. Look at the images.
Looks like kids have been playing in the fields again.
>>It's only a series of circles - by far the easiest shape to replicate.
>>Two posts and a piece of string would outline every shape shown. Don't
>>you ever long for some square or oblong or trapezoidal crop marks?
>
> And putting it all together as it is? Please.
It's not too difficult to do that, and since it's interconnected all one
would have to do is step on already flattened areas to avoid leaving
trails. Walk up tramline (center-most circle has a tramline running
through it), start design, leap over row, start next, so on. Leap back,
walk back up tramline. If planned in advance with a group of four, it
would take less than an hour in and out.
That one hour, though, creates a fall out lasting days, weeks, or even
years, if the design is good and it causes kooks to drive out to the
country to have a lie-down in middle of the design. The amusing part is
when they claim to feel supernatural powers as a result of an expensive
(to the farmer) prank.
> There's all sorts of shapes if you care to look.
All of which can be planned on paper or even on computer using a
charting or mathematical program.
>>That statement comes from a highly suspect source, someone who believes
>>in water in buried bottles showing "resonances", "memory",
>>"frequencies", "residual frequencies".
>
> Ad-hominem cop-out, as usual.
No, it goes to credibility. Of course everything to goes to YOUR
credibility is ad hominem because you have no credibility -- except with
channelers, inner earth people, and people wanting their feet rubbed.
>>Independent? Objective? Rational?
>>
>>No to all three.
>
> Summed yourself up perfectly.
Pothead-kettle-black.
>>Please try again to convince me, and others I dare say, that this was
>>anything other than human-produced criminal damage to a farmer's crop.
>
> a. You've not shown there was any damage.
Regarding the account I posted, the farmer estimated his losses at $500
(about £300). The circles in Wilts are quite larger, and I don't recall
reading if people trampled on the outlying rows. Once wheat is trampled,
through foot traffic or crop circle artists, it's lost. Guesstimating
from the size and cost of the California circles, the one in Wilts would
cost about £1200. Many farmers operate on tight margins.
> b. I really don't care what you think about it.
No reason to get nasty just because you can't be bothered with the truth.
pearl
pearl
usual suspect
> http://www.sciencenews.org/20030628/mathtrek.asp
No kidding. Mostly math and physics majors, sometimes engineering students.
"What Hawkins had obtained was a kind of intellectual fingerprint of the
hoaxers involved in creating these particular crop-circle patterns. 'One
has to admire this sort of mind, let alone how it's done or why it's
done,' he remarked. Curiously, in 1996, the crop-circle makers showed
knowledge of Hawkins' fifth theorem by laying down a new pattern that
satisfied its geometric constraints. "
pearl
> > http://www.sciencenews.org/20030628/mathtrek.asp
>
> No kidding. Mostly math and physics majors, sometimes engineering students.
'Remarkably, Hawkins could find none of these theorems in the works
of Euclid, the ancient Greek geometer who had established the basic
techniques and rules for what is known as Euclidean geometry. Hawkins
was also surprised at his failure to find the crop-circle theorems in any
of the mathematics textbooks and references, ancient and modern, that
he consulted.
..
The hoaxers apparently had the requisite knowledge not only to prove
a Euclidean theorem but also to conceive of an original theorem in the
first place-a far more challenging task. To show how difficult such a
task can be, Hawkins often playfully refused to divulge his fifth theorem,
inviting anyone interested to come up with the theorem itself before trying
to prove it. In an article published in The Mathematics Teacher, he
challenged readers to come up with his unpublished theorem, given only
the four variations. No one reported success.
> "What Hawkins had obtained was a kind of intellectual fingerprint of the
> hoaxers involved in creating these particular crop-circle patterns. 'One
> has to admire this sort of mind, let alone how it's done or why it's
> done,' he remarked. Curiously, in 1996, the crop-circle makers showed
> knowledge of Hawkins' fifth theorem by laying down a new pattern that
> satisfied its geometric constraints. "
Did Chorley and Bower have the mathematical sophistication to depict
novel Euclidean theorems in the wheat? Not likely. The persons responsible
for this old-fashioned type of mathematical ingenuity remain at large. Their
handiwork flaunts an uncommon facility with Euclidean geometry and signals
an astonishing ability to enter fields undetected, to bend living plants without
cracking stalks, and to trace complex, precise patterns, presumably using
little more than pegs and ropes, all under cover of darkness. '
uhuh...
lol.
The yolk's on you, usual. :)
As it happens, I spoke with a friend of mine yesterday about this
and, turns out that she watched a documentary on Sky T.V about
crop-circles. There was a short video-clip (about 1 minute long),
actually showing a crop-circle being made in broad-daylight. What
my friend described seeing (and someone else here might have also
seen the documentary, and could back this up), is the same as other
accounts I've heard by people witnessing these events. Wheat-field.
Two balls of light ("like small suns"), some 10 feet above the wheat,
move around and about, steadily flattening the wheat underneath them.
They move independantly of each other. They circle an element, and
when done, rise to angle into the next, as best translating hand-moves.
*
"There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio,
than are dreamt in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
usual suspect
<snip>
> As it happens, I spoke with a friend of mine yesterday about this
> and, turns out that she watched a documentary on Sky T.V about
> crop-circles. There was a short video-clip (about 1 minute long),
> actually showing a crop-circle being made in broad-daylight. What
> my friend described seeing (and someone else here might have also
> seen the documentary, and could back this up), is the same as other
> accounts I've heard by people witnessing these events. Wheat-field.
Suddenly you trust Rupert Murdoch's Sky News, lol?
> Two balls of light ("like small suns"), some 10 feet above the wheat,
> move around and about, steadily flattening the wheat underneath them.
Ten feet above? Is that a measurement or estimate? Quite easy to measure
if it's caught on video.
Have you ever seen a magician levitate? I've freaked out friends and
families by performing levitation. Of course, it's just an illusion but
people still claim to see "something" that doesn't really happen. Many
videos and audio recordings floating about (pardon the pun) are based on
such illusions; some are cheap and easy to spot, others are better. I
can produce almost anything you wanna see on video. It's much easier on
video than performing the same feats in person.
> They move independantly of each other. They circle an element, and
> when done, rise to angle into the next, as best translating hand-moves.
IndependEntly, and probably an illusion or clever time delay recording.
> "There are more things in heaven and Earth, Horatio,
> than are dreamt in your philosophy." - Shakespeare
Did you answer me about leprechauns, silly woman?
pearl
<..>
> As it happens, I spoke with a friend of mine yesterday about this
> and, turns out that she watched a documentary on Sky T.V about
> crop-circles. There was a short video-clip (about 1 minute long),
> actually showing a crop-circle being made in broad-daylight. What
> my friend described seeing (and someone else here might have also
> seen the documentary, and could back this up), is the same as other
> accounts I've heard by people witnessing these events. Wheat-field.
> Two balls of light ("like small suns"), some 10 feet above the wheat,
> move around and about, steadily flattening the wheat underneath them.
> They move independantly of each other. They circle an element, and
> when done, rise to angle into the next, as best translating hand-moves.
To anyone not suffering from terminal tunnel-vision, after posting
the above account I checked my email and found the following;
-----Original Message-----
Sent: 05 July 2003 14:18
Subject: Mysterious Lights
June 7, 2003 On the night of June 7 at 5:30 p.m. in the late afternoon.,
three teenage boys were walking along a field two or three kilometers
outside Montegranaro, near Ascoli, in the center of Italy about 20
kilometers from the Adriatic Sea and 250 kilometers north of Rome.
The young men were astonished to see a sphere of light appear and
send a thin beam down into the crop. One of the teenagers had a new
cell phone that can snap digital photographs and he took two frames.
Adriano Forgione, Editor of Hera magazine, heard about the young
man's images from the mayor of Montegranaro, a longtime friend.
Forgione contacted the young man and obtained one of the two
images shown below. -
http://www.earthfiles.com/news/news.cfm?ID=547&category=Environment
pearl
<..>
> As it happens, I watched a documentary on Sky TV recently about crop
> circles. The description of "two balls of light......steadily flattening
> the wheat underneath them" is just that, a load of balls. The clip was
> about as convincing as those of Nessie or of flying saucers, in other
> words a hoax.
As it happens, that friend just called to tell me that the documentary
was again shown tonight on Sky (at 6-7pm). Happily, she video-
taped it for me. She said it wasn't very long but was clear enough.
pearl
>
> In article <be7hac$721$2...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> writes
You can look forward (?) to my describing what I see, if you like.
> Or am I being optimistic....?
You're being as daft as ever.
pearl
>
> In article <be8tbv$fot$3...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> writes
> >"Malcolm" <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >news:FnePFjE1r8B$Ew...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
> >>
> >> In article <be7hac$721$2...@kermit.esat.net>, pearl <t...@signguestbook.ie>
> >> writes
> >> >"Malcolm" <M...@indaal.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> >news:YzDIQwcByuB$Ew...@indaal.demon.co.uk...
> >> ><..>
> >> >> As it happens, I watched a documentary on Sky TV recently about crop
> >> >> circles. The description of "two balls of light......steadily flattening
> >> >> the wheat underneath them" is just that, a load of balls. The clip was
> >> >> about as convincing as those of Nessie or of flying saucers, in other
> >> >> words a hoax.
> >> >
> >> >As it happens, that friend just called to tell me that the documentary
> >> >was again shown tonight on Sky (at 6-7pm). Happily, she video-
> >> >taped it for me. She said it wasn't very long but was clear enough.
> >> >
> >> Then I look forward to your acknowledgement that it was a hoax.
> >
> >You can look forward (?) to my describing what I see, if you like.
> >
OK. How's this; you describe and post *exactly* what you saw,
and, when I've seen the clip (certainly within the next 24 hours) I
will post an accurate description of what I see. If there are major
discrepancies in our accounts, it'll effectively be 'your word against
mine'-- so make sure you do a good job, the audience will judge. :)
> >> Or am I being optimistic....?
> >
> >You're being as daft as ever.
> >
> Err, calling me "daft" is just you projecting, right?
Wrong.
>
> --
> Malcolm
usual suspect
>>>You can look forward (?) to my describing what I see, if you like.
Notice who made the first offer.
>>OK, I shall compare it to what I saw, if you like.
Malcolm was generous enough to offer to compare.
> OK. How's this; you describe and post *exactly* what you saw,
> and, when I've seen the clip (certainly within the next 24 hours) I
> will post an accurate description of what I see. If there are major
> discrepancies in our accounts, it'll effectively be 'your word against
> mine'-- so make sure you do a good job, the audience will judge. :)
Why make a counter-offer? Put the video on line so everyone else can see
it and decide for himself, but first describe what YOU see -- and be as
bizarre as you've been about the little people living under mountains in
the hollow earth.
>>Err, calling me "daft" is just you projecting, right?
>
> Wrong.
No, he's spot on.
pearl
news:3F082675...@earth.man...
> >>>You can look forward (?) to my describing what I see, if you like.
>
> Notice who made the first offer.
Notice who has already avoided describing what he actually saw once;
Malcolm-
> >> >> As it happens, I watched a documentary on Sky TV recently about crop
> >> >> circles. The description of "two balls of light......steadily flattening
> >> >> the wheat underneath them" is just that, a load of balls. The clip was
> >> >> about as convincing as those of Nessie or of flying saucers, in other
> >> >> words a hoax.
> >>OK, I shall compare it to what I saw, if you like.
>
> Malcolm was generous enough to offer to compare.
Like his above 'comparison'? And that was in response
to a detailed account I've already given, (and the rest).
Will Malcolm be 'generous enough' to write a detailed description
of what he saw? <looks at Malcolm's 'best effort'> Well, no real
surprise to me... here it is- "I saw an obvious hoax piece of film
not worth describing!" hmmm. I'll still keep my end of the bargain.
> > OK. How's this; you describe and post *exactly* what you saw,
> > and, when I've seen the clip (certainly within the next 24 hours) I
> > will post an accurate description of what I see. If there are major
> > discrepancies in our accounts, it'll effectively be 'your word against
> > mine'-- so make sure you do a good job, the audience will judge. :)
>
> Why make a counter-offer? Put the video on line so everyone else can see
> it and decide for himself, but first describe what YOU see
Ok, sure, no problem, happy to oblige, and all that. :).
pearl
<..>
> >> >> >> As it happens, I watched a documentary on Sky TV recently about crop
> >> >> >> circles. The description of "two balls of light......steadily flattening
> >> >> >> the wheat underneath them" is just that, a load of balls. The clip was
> >> >> >> about as convincing as those of Nessie or of flying saucers, in other
> >> >> >> words a hoax.
>
"a load of balls"?
No, just two in the frame at any one time.
> >> >>OK, I shall compare it to what I saw, if you like.
> >>
> >> Malcolm was generous enough to offer to compare.
> >
> >Like his above 'comparison'? And that was in response
> >to a detailed account I've already given, (and the rest).
> >
> You haven't given a detailed account of the video clip.
My friend had only seen it once and was describing it as
best she could from memory, but I had a chance to study
the clip very carefully yesterday, and this is what I saw;
Shot from a higher elevation, across field of mature wheat.
b/w. Two balls of light, one brighter than the other, enter
frame left, flying in sync'- the brighter first, cross over field,
about maybe 100ft above the crop. As they pass over an
area, a pattern appears in the crop. Starting from the centre
of each circle outwards, a group of circles,- the larger central
circle and surrounding circles are made simultaneously, and
there it is, done in one pass. They continue on out of frame,
then two are seen crossing frame again right to left. No beams
of light seen in the video. The clip is only a few seconds long.
<..>
pearl
<..>
> Fine. I gave my conclusion concerning the clip.
>
> What's yours?
I've read a few similar accounts. I think it's genuine.